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Ford does use Cummins engines as options in their larger trucks (F650 and up).
We Ram owners hate people who use the g...
(above two posts are humorous but factual)
If this truck holds up like the Ford truck I just sold, my next vehicle will be another Ford truck. If it doesn't, I'll be checking out the latest offerings from Dodge and Chevy.
Plymouth, we've had numerous debates about whether the new Ford and Dodge really share much resemblence. Personally, I have yet to park next to Dodge that looked anything like my truck. If you feel that Ford copied the Dodge, you should take it as a compliment. Imitation is the ultimate form of flattery. Dodge has a nice looking truck.
malibu1, maybe you should hire out your services as an ad consultant to the Big Three.
If the next Ram is on par with the Super Duty, as DaimlerChrysler is considering, and GM doesn't deliver on their heavy trucks (whenever they show up), look for Dodge to pass GM in sales. The General seems to be making marketing blunder after blunder (their off-the-record admission that they guessed wrong on the 4-door extended cab because they didn't think the Dodge would sell), and tenuous labor relations put the line at risk for another strike next year when the national UAW contract ends.
GM will only survive if they drop one of their truck lines. There is still no reason or excuse to have two virtually identical sets of trucks. make them all Chevy or all GMC. Just like the mass duplication of their cars, having to support two full truck lines is putting unnecessary drain on the company. How much cheaper would the Silverado be if if there was no Sierra to build, with its differences in front-end sheetmetal and trim? You can get a dually for the same price as one of these Suilverados now.
After this summer's strike, it's clear who is running GM. No one.
I wanted a strong gas motor, so thats what
i got. And no, I don't want the dodge v10.
Not saying the Cummins is for everybody. The problem with the Ford V10 is, it's the only engine besides the Powerstroke that can move the Super Duty truck. The 5.4 V8 is useless. Dodge gives you appreciable power with the V8, the V10, and the diesel. But I do know a fair number of Ford AND Dodge owners who would run like hell to a Ford dealer to buy a Cummins-powered Super Duty truck.
bunkski,
The Dodge V10 will outrun a comparably-equipped Ford V10. Ford has more axle ratio choices to get the power to the ground, making it seem more powerful in certain configurations.
At the same time, the numbers speak for themselves. The Dodge has 300hp and 440 lb-ft of torque, compared to the 275/410 for the Ford. If you hook up a large trailer that gets close to maxing your tow limits, the Dodge is almost certainly going to have an easier time maintaining highway speeds, especially in hilly or mountainous terrain. Then again, most people who tow near their max limits usually opt for the high torque diesels.
that MT test caused a lot of discussion in some other chat groups. For one thing, the Ford had a lower (numerically higher) axle. The Ford's transmission also was much faster to downshift than the Dodge; the Ram stayed in gear and just used its torque to accelerate. I tend to read comparison tests like these with a very suspicious eye for details like that. Unless the magazine orders and waits for two truly comparable trucks in terms of body, engine, and drivetrain, these tests aren't really worth much.
I haven't heard many mpg figures for the Dodge V-10 either, so there really isn't much to compare it to. Even if you did have some figures, you would get into the issue of differing axle ratios. If I'm not mistaken, the Dodge has the 3.54 and the 4.10 compared to the Ford's 3.73 and 4.30.
I can vouch that I'm more than satisfied with my Ford V-10. The mpg is still climbing. On my 300 mile trip back from the dealership a couple of months ago, I had the cruise control in the upper 70s most of the trip and I was only averaging 9.5mpg. On my way back from Austin two days ago, I set the cruise control at 80 and was getting just under 12mpg. Those figures are with the 4.30 dually Supercab 4x4. I figure my engine will pretty much be broken in after I make this 4,500 mile trip from Dallas to Anchorage in about five weeks.
i haven't driven either, but by looking at the torque curves and the numbers, i'd say the ford would be a better overall engine because you have about %80 full torque from about 1500 rpms all the way up past 3500, 4000. the dodge torque curve is not nearly as flat.
But as the old line goes, if you have to ask about hte fuel economy of a truck, you can't afford to drive it. Or in the case of the diesel, don't complain about the cost of the engine if you're getting 20mpg out of a 7000-pound vehicle.
I agree that GM should drop GMC and just use the one label for trucks. I think that is the way to go.
Malibu1
RESULTS
#1 CHEVY 5.3
#2 GMC 5.3
#3 NISSAN V-6 ha ha ha
#4 DODGE with cummings
#5 FORD with V-10
LETS HEAR SOME GOOD EXCUSES
More details please!
I wouldn't buy another Nissan even if in beat out a Hummer!
Want to read a decent comparison? Check the Winter 98/99 issue of Open Road, and read the comparison of the F250SD Powerstroke against the Ram 2500 Cummins. The trucks were nearly identical in equipment, and were equipped with what was commonly known to be their better transmissions respectively - the Dodge had the 5 speed, the Ford with the automatic. That was the only difference, and really only affected one part of the test.
-> Drove the Dodge (5.2, auto) Liked it alot, but just worried about buying a Mopar (quality & durability issues). It had good power, the transmission was WAY better than the slippery ford, and it rode okay (not as good as the ford but it IS solid axle after all).
-> Drove the old-style chevy (88-98). Awesome power (vortec v8), burned out off of a corner "by accident". Transmission was smooth and seemed to be as good or better than the dodge. I've always had good luck with the chevys...
For me I think it's between Chevy and Dodge. The dodge seems more attractive because the cost is $2000 less. BUT the dodge ex cabs are made in mexico...that concerns me. I dunno, i think I'm gonna have to drive the chevy and dodge again. By the way, the 99 silverado is nice...too nice for a truck that I'm gonna haul logs with and throw stuff in the back. Somehow with a ram or old style chevy I just dont care. I think the silverado is like using a BMW for a construction site. Too plush and cushy...don't want to scratch the pretty paint!
Not all Ram Quad Cabs are Mexican - most of them, in fact, come out of Missouri. And for the record, my 96 Ram Club does speak Spanish, and it's a damn good truck, because (for lack of a better phrase) I don't slow down for railroad tracks, and there are no body problems at all.
Also, read the respective topics on the trucks to get a feel for what others are saying.
Good luck,
Ryan
Do you have info on the type of new engines Dodge is putting in their trucks? OHC, SFI, displacements, etc?
old new
3.9 OHV V6 3.7 OHC V6
5.2 OHV V8 4.7 OHC V8
5.9 OHV V8 5.5 OHC V8
Hope that helps
I ended up buying the Silverado cuz it's tow rating is almost double the ford's when equipped with the 5 speed. Plus a little less expensive. I went with the 4.8L 5speed with 4.10 rearend. Tow rating 5500 lbs. Fords was about 1/2 that.
Nissan/Vortec may be fuel efficient, but I'd like to see it haul a pallet of 3/4" plywood!
Response #144 kcram
Finally, another person who jumps the tracks! I just hate to see somebody waste good money on a truck that tippy-toes over Rail Road tracks. Especially people who buy 4x4's!
I don't back off on potholes, either
I've logged about 5% of my milage in air time in my little 4x4. But, I'm ready for a BIG TRUCK! I'm gonna go crush a BMW!
I have concerns about Dodge transmissions and brakes based on conversations with fellow MC racers that tow trailers.