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  • ellisina4ellisina4 Member Posts: 40

    Can someone comment please:
    What is the MF and residual for 2014 550i xDrive for 15K miles and 36 months.
    Also, what is the typical discount off the MSRP

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,851

    @ellisina4 said:
    Can someone comment please:
    What is the MF and residual for 2014 550i xDrive for 15K miles and 36 months.
    Also, what is the typical discount off the MSRP

    .00130 MF and 59% residual. $2500 build out cash.

    I'd shoot for 7% off MSRP minus the $2500 incentive.

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  • ellisina4ellisina4 Member Posts: 40

    @kyfdx said:
    I'd shoot for 7% off MSRP minus the $2500 incentive.

    My apologies for asking again, why would I need to subtract $2500 incentive from 7% discount on MSRP? At the same time, am I correct that build out cash of $2500 that you mentioned is something that dealer can use to reduce my final out of the door price?

  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 263,147

    @ellisina4 said:

    The $2500 is from BMW; the discount is from sticker and affects the dealer profit. Yes the $2500 reduces the net cap cost, which will lower your monthly payment.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,851
    edited July 2014

    @ellisina4 said:
    why would I need to subtract $2500 incentive from 7% discount on MSRP?

    Sorry if I wasn't clear

    MSRP

    minus 7%

    minus $2500

    = target selling price

    So... don't subtract the $2500 from the 7% discount... subtract it from the price of the car, after the 7% discount.

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  • stunyccpastunyccpa Member Posts: 48

    @khoon said:
    Would appreciate some help on where I can find BMW's 2014 Invoice price for the 535Xi. Here's the deal I was offered today:
    2014 Silver 535Xi with Premium, Cold Weather & Driver Assist packages.
    List: 63,140 Selling Price = $55,711 (after rebates: 2500 + 1000)
    MF: .0013
    Residual: $38521 (61%)
    Monthly Payment: $600
    Inception Fee: $925
    NJ Tax: $1600
    Registration Fee: $310
    Document Fee: $369
    Luxury Tax $225

    I personally believe the inception fee and Document fee are rip-offs. What does BMW Financial Services charge to initiate a lease? Also, I should be able to get a better selling price - the dealer is only discounting the car. Would appreciate comments/feedback on the deal. Also, if you're aware of a Northern NJ dealer who discounts aggressively, I'd welcome the information.
    Thanks.

    I can give you the name of a dealer in NJ who discounted me heavily. I don't want to post names on a public forum, feel free to e-mail me at STUTax15@gmail.com. Just tell me you're from edmunds car forum and I will give you the name, and hopefully it will help.

  • rbradleysdrbradleysd Member Posts: 32
    edited July 2014

    Hey All-
    I'm torn between the E350 and 535d. Can someone help me with what lease payment I should pay?

    2014 535d
    Modern Line,
    Callisto Grey Metallic, Driver Assistance Package, Lighting Package, Premium Package, Multi Contour Seats, Heated Front Seats, Rear Sunshades, HK Sound. MSRP is 68,650
    Looking for 24 month lease, 20k a year miles (or 18k if not possible)

    Dealer Discount is 10k bringing price down to 58,650

  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 263,147

    @rbradleysd said:
    Hey All-
    I'm torn between the E350 and 535d. Can someone help me with what lease payment I should pay?

    2014 535d
    Modern Line,
    Callisto Grey Metallic, Driver Assistance Package, Lighting Package, Premium Package, Multi Contour Seats, Heated Front Seats, Rear Sunshades, HK Sound. MSRP is 68,650
    Looking for 24 month lease, 20k a year miles (or 18k if not possible)

    Dealer Discount is 10k bringing price down to 58,650

    MF is .00130 and 24/15 residual is 64%. Residual value is then decreased by the addition of the extra miles at, I believe, .25 per mile ($2500 total).

    Using your MSRP and selling price, I calculate a pre-tax payment of $847.36.

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  • lmj225lmj225 Member Posts: 5

    hi. can you please help me with a current residual and money factor on a 2014 535i? Im looking for 24 months and 12,000 miles per year. so far i have learned on here that i should try for 7% off PLUS the current incentives (which i think are $2500?!). 725 acquisition fees and i understand the option for MSD exists. i am comparing this car to a MB E350. just need to drive the 535i to decide if i want to leave my current MB. thanks a bunch!

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,851

    @lmj225 said:
    hi. can you please help me with a current residual and money factor on a 2014 535i? Im looking for 24 months and 12,000 miles per year. so far i have learned on here that i should try for 7% off PLUS the current incentives (which i think are $2500?!). 725 acquisition fees and i understand the option for MSD exists. i am comparing this car to a MB E350. just need to drive the 535i to decide if i want to leave my current MB. thanks a bunch!

    .00130 MF and 67% residual. 36 month residual is 61%.

    Your other assumptions are correct.

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  • yh1yh1 Member Posts: 1

    Hi. I would like to ask if I got a good deal on my 2014 528xi. I actually went through one of those "auto leasing companies" for the first time.

    2014 528xi
    Jet Black Ext
    Black SensTec Int
    Dark wood trim
    Heated Front Seats
    Park Distance Control
    Rear View Camera

    Total MSRP: $54,400

    The below initial payment & monthly payments are all-in (after-tax) amounts:

    Due at signing (includes 1st month payment): $1,700
    Monthly payment: $439
    36 months
    10k/yr

  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 263,147

    @yh1 said:
    Hi. I would like to ask if I got a good deal on my 2014 528xi. I actually went through one of those "auto leasing companies" for the first time.

    2014 528xi
    Jet Black Ext
    Black SensTec Int
    Dark wood trim
    Heated Front Seats
    Park Distance Control
    Rear View Camera

    Total MSRP: $54,400

    The below initial payment & monthly payments are all-in (after-tax) amounts:

    Due at signing (includes 1st month payment): $1,700
    Monthly payment: $439
    36 months
    10k/yr

    Would need to know the selling price, but $439/mo for a car that stickers at $54K seems to be a pretty good deal from where I sit.

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  • formergcformergc Member Posts: 1

    Can someone tell me the residual and MF for a 535d Xdrive? Much appreciated.

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,851

    @formergc said:
    Can someone tell me the residual and MF for a 535d Xdrive? Much appreciated.

    .00130 MF and 58% residual for 36mo, 15K/yr. $3500 cash incentive

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  • Smartinez24Smartinez24 Member Posts: 24

    may i have the RV and Mf for a 2014 528i for 36/10 and for 36/12. is there a sweeter spot maybe 27 months. also what is the rv and mf for a 535 for a 36/10

  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 263,147

    @Smartinez24 said:
    may i have the RV and Mf for a 2014 528i for 36/10 and for 36/12. is there a sweeter spot maybe 27 months. also what is the rv and mf for a 535 for a 36/10

    .00130 MF for both.

    528i & 535i - 61% for 36/12. Add 1% for 10K.

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  • al_bundy1al_bundy1 Member Posts: 1

    I would like to know the MF and residual for a 2014 535XI, 36 months 15K per year.

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,851

    @al_bundy1 said:
    I would like to know the MF and residual for a 2014 535XI, 36 months 15K per year.

    .00130 MF and 59% residual. $2500 build out cash.

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  • ROBRTM5ROBRTM5 Member Posts: 81

    Hi Kyfdx - Can you please share the MF and Residual for a 2015 M5, 36/12 and 36/10

    Thank you!

    RM

  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 263,147

    @ROBRTM5 said:
    Hi Kyfdx - Can you please share the MF and Residual for a 2015 M5, 36/12 and 36/10

    Thank you!

    RM

    .00130 and 61% for 36/12. Add 1% for 10k.

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  • glebedinglebedin Member Posts: 15

    Hi, Could someone please comment on the following numbers. Im turning in my 2011 and trying to negotiate a 36 lease on 2014 BMW 528' Black/Cinnamon with only Driver Assist. Invoice is $49,925. 62% resid, .0013 MF. 2500 cash back. I'm ok with the dealer having $1000 over invoice. This is my top. My numbers are coming back with roughly $550/month including tax. Nothing down but 1st month and Fees $931.05 Dealer coming back to me with Total cap 50,634 and $608.56 includes tax . Claiming that 2500 cashback is already included.

    How far are we?

  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 263,147

    @glebedin said:
    Hi, Could someone please comment on the following numbers. Im turning in my 2011 and trying to negotiate a 36 lease on 2014 BMW 528' Black/Cinnamon with only Driver Assist. Invoice is $49,925. 62% resid, .0013 MF. 2500 cash back. I'm ok with the dealer having $1000 over invoice. This is my top. My numbers are coming back with roughly $550/month including tax. Nothing down but 1st month and Fees $931.05 Dealer coming back to me with Total cap 50,634 and $608.56 includes tax . Claiming that 2500 cashback is already included.

    How far are we?

    We need both the MSRP and the number of miles per year on your offer to better evaluate it.

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  • glebedinglebedin Member Posts: 15

    Thanks for the quick response. 10k miles/year and MSRP $54715

  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 263,147

    @glebedin said:
    Hi, Could someone please comment on the following numbers. Im turning in my 2011 and trying to negotiate a 36 mo, 10K lease on 2014 BMW 528' Black/Cinnamon with only Driver Assist. Invoice is $49,925. 62% resid, .0013 MF. 2500 cash back. I'm ok with the dealer having $1000 over invoice. This is my top. My numbers are coming back with roughly $550/month including tax. Nothing down but 1st month and Fees $931.05 Dealer coming back to me with Total cap 50,634 and $608.56 includes tax . Claiming that 2500 cashback is already included. MSRP is $54,715
    How far are we?

    Using your numbers provided above, I get a pre-tax payment of $574.11, so your $608 w/ tax seems right in line. Base MF is good; you might be able to shave a bit off the selling price, but that's up to you.

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  • glebedinglebedin Member Posts: 15

    Edmunds has this vehicle TMV at $49377. Shouldn't the 2500 cash back come off of this as well?

  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 263,147

    @glebedin said:
    Edmunds has this vehicle TMV at $49377. Shouldn't the 2500 cash back come off of this as well?

    Negotiate your best price, then deduct the $2500. TMV should break out the available incentives.

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  • ekoblenzekoblenz Member Posts: 14

    Hi Kyfdx et all, would appreciate your insight on the following deal:

    2014 528ix
    Nav
    Park distance control
    Rear view camera

    • 10K per year, 36 months

    MSRP - $54,425
    Negotiated price - $48162
    MF as the dealer provided - .00130
    Residual .61 (i thought its .49 but when i double checked with the dealer he said its .61)

    Inception fees - $1800 OOP
    Monthly payment including NJ tax:

    $579

    Is it a good deal ?

    Thank you in advance !

  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 263,147

    @ekoblenz said:
    Hi Kyfdx et all, would appreciate your insight on the following deal:

    2014 528ix
    Nav
    Park distance control
    Rear view camera

    • 10K per year, 36 months

    MSRP - $54,425
    Negotiated price - $48162
    MF as the dealer provided - .00130
    Residual .61 (i thought its .49 but when i double checked with the dealer he said its .61)

    Inception fees - $1800 OOP
    Monthly payment including NJ tax:

    $579

    Is it a good deal ?

    Thank you in advance !

    I get a payment of $521.40 using your numbers. Does the negotiated price include the up front sales tax that NJ collects on its leases?

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  • ekoblenzekoblenz Member Posts: 14

    According to the dealer, yes the price includes the sales tax.

  • danmgy11danmgy11 Member Posts: 111

    Have couple questions I am hoping I can get some feedback and input on. From what I see I should be paying 7% below MSRP plus the rebates. That 7% is based on a new car, I was that dealership and saw a bunch of "Demonstrator" or a "Service Loaner" 5 series they had and was told that even though they have miles they were never titled and can be sold as new and qualify as new car purchases with BMWFS (so they get all the rebates and same financing deals). To me it doesn't matter if I am not the first driver since it is a lease and I just want lowest payment.

    Does anybody have any insight as to what pricing I should be looking to get for one of these type of cars (I know it is below 7% but how much)?

    Second, I was tossed a curve I thought the Residual for 528 and 535d on 15k for 36months was 62%. I was told at the dealership it was 59% for the 528 and 58% for the 535d. Can somebody please provide what the actually numbers are for the following:

    • 528- 15k, 36 mnths
    • 535- 15k, 36 mnths
    • 535d- 15k, 36 mnths

    Thanks so much for any help, feedback, thoughts or insight anybody might have and willing to share!

    P.S. I was initially talking to them about a new 535d and they quoted my 8% off MSRP as well as the $3500 rebates.

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,851

    528- 15k, 36 mnths : 59%

    535- 15k, 36 mnths : 59%

    535d- 15k, 36 mnths : 58%

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  • danmgy11danmgy11 Member Posts: 111

    @kyfdx said:
    528- 15k, 36 mnths : 59%

    535- 15k, 36 mnths : 59%

    535d- 15k, 36 mnths : 58%

    Thanks so much for the info on the rates, do you have any insight to the pricing for a demonstrator/service car?

    I tried looking in other sections but have not had much success finding any real information.

    Thanks!

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,851

    @danmgy11 said:

    The last time I had experience with a demo, the residual was reduced by $0.30/mi, for every mile over 500. So, a demo with 5500 miles would have the new car residual reduced by $1500. So, to make the demo cheaper, you would need a selling price that is at least $1500 less than the comparable brand new, zero-mile unit.

    Hopefully, you can do better than that.. Every $1000 less drops the lease price by around $28-$30/mo... I'd hope for at least double the amount.. so, if the residual is $1500 less, shoot for $3000 less on the purchase price..

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  • danmgy11danmgy11 Member Posts: 111

    @kyfdx said:

    Thanks for the feedback, I was told that since they were "Service Loaners" and were never titled the MF and residual don't change. It's just a very limited selection and getting an "unofficial" used car that is viewed and still qualifies as for new car finanancing deals. Will report back if I pull the trigger on one and what the details of the deal are. Thanks again.

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,851

    I agree.. they are new cars, as far as using the new car program... but, they'll still have to account for a mileage adjustment on the residual. I've leased two service loaners from BMW, although the most recent was in 2011.

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  • danmgy11danmgy11 Member Posts: 111

    @kyfdx said:
    I agree.. they are new cars, as far as using the new car program... but, they'll still have to account for a mileage adjustment on the residual. I've leased two service loaners from BMW, although the most recent was in 2011.

    I know that you and most mods on the forum are highly against putting money down to reduce the cap cost and I can understand that to an extent. I also know that BMW offers the MSD program so you could reduce the current buy rate MF by .00056. I am curious if you have any information regarding the "Single Lease Payment" program? I have done a little research and it appears that the program is safer and protects your money in case of a total or stolen car, but I am unsure of what the specific savings/reduction to the MF are.

    From what I have seen (still a little unclear on) you can combine the Single Payment Lease with the the MSD? The issue is you need to have the capitol/funds to make that single bulk payment.

    From what I have seem your payment is essentially placed into a BMWFS account and the withdraw a payment against it each month.

    Any information you have regarding this program would greatly be appreciated. As an FYI, I tried looking in other sections in this forum and couldn't find anything and I wasn't sure if this is something that should be its own thread.

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,851

    @danmgy11 said:
    Any information you have regarding this program would greatly be appreciated. As an FYI, I tried looking in other sections in this forum and couldn't find anything and I wasn't sure if this is something that should be its own thread.

    You can't combine the Single Pay lease program and the MSD program. Also, on most 2014 BMW models, there is no additional discount for a Single Pay lease, so no benefit in doing so..

    The max MF discount using MSDs is .00049 (7 X .00007)

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  • danmgy11danmgy11 Member Posts: 111

    @kyfdx said:
    The max MF discount using MSDs is .00049 (7 X .00007)

    Oops I calculated 8 payments instead of 7 for the MSD.

    Do you know if there is a single lease payment for the 528 and/or the 535d? If so what are the specifics for the program for 36m/15k lease?

    I've seen a few advertisements for this but I can't remember which model is was for.

    Thanks!

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,851
    edited July 2014

    @danmgy11 said:
    Thanks!

    There aren't any 2014 models that get a Single Pay discounted money factor from BMW, this month.

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  • danmgy11danmgy11 Member Posts: 111

    @kyfdx said:

    Just thought I'd let you know there is a single pay lease rate for the 528, I only know it for 36mnths and 15k a year, its .00110. Apparently the benefit is for people with bad credit or less than top tier credit rating, because the buy rate and 7 MSD is still lower and you can't combine the two. So I'm told.

  • danmgy11danmgy11 Member Posts: 111
    edited July 2014

    So here is the deal that is on the table for me, it is a service loaners with 6k miles on it. Its for 36 months with 15k miles per year.

    528 in Carbon Black Metalic with Prem, M Sport, lighting package, Driver Assistance, Heated seats, Herman Kardon.

    MSRP: $61,800

    Cap cost: $51,465.31

    Out of pocket (including 7 MSD, tags, tax, doc fees) $6,443.88

    Monthly payment w/o tax: $518.82

    Monthly payment with 6% tax: $549.95

    I think its a pretty solid deal, they originally wanted the payment just over $550 but I fought them on that so it would save me $350 for the additional MSD.

    What do you think of the deal? Numbers seem to add up to me but wanted to check.

    Also, they no longer make any adjustments to residuals for service loaners, you get standard BMWFS rates.

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,851

    Using your MSRP and CAP cost, MF of .00081 and residual of 59%, I get a pre-tax payment of $488/mo.

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  • danmgy11danmgy11 Member Posts: 111

    @kyfdx said:
    Using your MSRP and CAP cost, MF of .00081 and residual of 59%, I get a pre-tax payment of $488/mo.

    You're right, they either adjusted the cap cost or changed the residual to 57.15%.

    Assuming I can't get them to change it, would you look at what they're offering me a good deal?

  • drsteve1drsteve1 Member Posts: 4

    Hi all. Im hoping someone could comment on my offer.
    2014 528 xdrive, MSRP $54445, 36 months 10k lease. $1000 out of pocket plus $1000 drive event credit, $445 per month including NJ tax. Selling price $46450. Does that sound fair or did I leave something on the table? Thank you.

  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 263,147

    @drsteve1 said:
    Hi all. Im hoping someone could comment on my offer.
    2014 528 xdrive, MSRP $54445, 36 months 10k lease. $1000 out of pocket plus $1000 drive event credit, $445 per month including NJ tax. Selling price $46450. Does that sound fair or did I leave something on the table? Thank you.

    Looks fair from here. When I plug in your numbers (using the base MF of .00130 and RV of 62%), I get a payment of $456.88/mo.

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  • drsteve1drsteve1 Member Posts: 4
    Thanks for the reply Michael .
    I failed to mention that the 1000 includes the registration (approx $300) and the first month. My question is if the offer is fair ? Should I be shooting for a lower selling price ? Thank you again.
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 263,147

    @drsteve1 said:
    Thanks for the reply Michael .
    I failed to mention that the 1000 includes the registration (approx $300) and the first month. My question is if the offer is fair ? Should I be shooting for a lower selling price ? Thank you again.

    I can't speak to the strength of the offer; use the pricing tools at the top of the page to see what Edmunds' has to say.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,851

    @danmgy11 said:
    Assuming I can't get them to change it, would you look at what they're offering me a good deal?

    Well.. I'm sure the residual had to be adjusted. They can start with the new car residual, but you have to account for the miles. You can't have two cars coming off lease, one with 5000 miles more than the other one, and have the same value for both of them.

    But, yes... it's still a good deal.

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  • prilumprilum Member Posts: 5

    Is this a good deal.
    My lease details below-

    I'm using BMW fleet program discount that lower MF by 0.00020

    2014 528xi - Dark Graphite Metallic, Dakota leather, cold weather, premium pkg, rear view camera, park distance.
    MSRP $58,000
    Sale price - $48,851
    Residual Value -61% (36 months,12k/yr)
    Monthly payment - $425/month.
    Total due at signing - $6,259

    This includes
    First month payment - $425
    Lease acquisition fees - $725
    Doc fees - $305
    DMV fees - $313
    Title Fee - $195
    NJ Sales Tax - $1,144
    7 MSDs of $3150
    Total = $6,259

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,851

    @prilum said:
    Is this a good deal.
    My lease details below-

    I'm using BMW fleet program discount that lower MF by 0.00020

    2014 528xi - Dark Graphite Metallic, Dakota leather, cold weather, premium pkg, rear view camera, park distance.
    MSRP $58,000
    Sale price - $48,851
    Residual Value -61% (36 months,12k/yr)
    Monthly payment - $425/month.
    Total due at signing - $6,259

    This includes
    First month payment - $425
    Lease acquisition fees - $725
    Doc fees - $305
    DMV fees - $313
    Title Fee - $195
    NJ Sales Tax - $1,144
    7 MSDs of $3150
    Total = $6,259

    Yes... it's a great deal. With a money factor of .00061 (.00130 mins .00020 minus .00049), it comes out to $425.57/mo.

    Normally, I would say to roll the acquisition fees and tax into the lease, but then you'd have to come up with another $350 in MSDs to account for the higher payment. So.. great job!

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