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Eric
Now that I know Jeeps stance on this, I guarantee you that this will be the last.
BUY A DIFFERENT MANUFACTURER, I KNOW THAT ALL MAKES HAVE THEIR PROBLEMS BUT THEIR ANSWER SAYS IT ALL.
first they replaced my crankshaft sensor then my ignition coil/cylinoid and it ended up being the PCM all along- that's why they can't get a good read on diagnostics.
hope that helps!
tidester, host
Greg
Since the crank sensor was replaced the last time, I've had no problems, but it's only been a couple of thousand miles.
Until Thursday the 10th of August. While fully warm, in gear, and at idol the engine died
without warning. When I tried to start it back up the gauges (gas, bat, temp, and oil pres.)
all went to '0' position, but everything else functioned. The starter cranks just fine but would not start.
I used a generic OBD wand and got a P0726-0728 code. (Engine Speed Input Circuit Range/Performance intermittent)
The computer only gives the error code while in this condition!! This condition lasted and
did not resolve until the next morning. At cold start up the gauges all worked fine and the
vehicle fired right up. No more error code either.
Dealer saw no code and did nothing else about it.
Drove home from dealer, died again. Same result. Problem resolved after an hour.
Grand Cherokees show codes on the odometer by cycling the key on and off. This system does NOT work while
the problem exists. The OBD wand DOES work to retrieve codes, but again only while the PCM is overheated. The odometer codes work after the PCM cools but shows "done".(which
means that there are no error codes) This is because the crankshaft position sensor began shorting out causing the stalling. This DAMAGES the PCM. Once the PCM is damaged it begins to overheat and shuts down the 5 volt CCD bus which includes the gauges. Once cooled the PCM does a "reset" clearing the OBD codes in the computer and the engine starts as if nothing is wrong. This is why the "mechanics" can't find anything wrong. If this is the problem you are having you need to replace BOTH the Crankshaft position sensor and the PCM. PCM is $600 dealer $400.00 exchange at CSK or a company called ECU direct will rebuild yours in 24 hours for $279 with free return ground shipping. -ecudirect.com-
The initial problem was that vehicle would not start when the key was turned to the start position. The engine would turn over but not catch. It would take increasingly more effort (multiple turns of the key) to start the engine. Also, pumping the gas pedal before turning the ignition key would help.
I took the jeep to a mechanic who diagnosed a fuel pressure problem and replaced the fuel pump assembly including the strainers and fuel filter.
After getting the vehicle back it started like a charm (instantly) and ran great in city driving.
About a week after that we took the jeep on a long trip (maybe 1500km) including through the Rockies. We did not notice anything on the way out, but it was raining heavy and we were more concerned with hitting wildlife and trucks to pay attention to the engine.
On the return trip we noticed that accelerating to passing speed (from 100km/h to 125km/h) "seemed" to take longer than we would have expected. Mind you, this is the first mountain driving we have done with the jeep. In the weeks after, the starting problem returned and is getting worse just like before.
Accelerating from 0-60km/h on a hill seems fine except that I do not get pushed back in my seat like I used to at 40km/h. I've put on about 2000km since the initial service.
I took the jeep back to the mechanic who went on a road test with me. He hooked up a test computer but did not find any problems. He said the passing speed problem was that I had a 4.0L engine. However, he did not and would not test it under the conditions I had described (i.e. his max test speed was around 90km/h).
Starting the engine in the morning takes considerable effort. It takes 2 or 3 turns of the key for about 3 seconds for the engine to catch.
If I start the engine and let it run for a few minutes then turn it off, restarting the engine usually happens on the first turn. If I leave it sit for a few hours I have to turn the key to the run position for a minute then start the engine and it catches within a few seconds on the first turn.
Worth noting is that it took 3 tries for the mechanic to find the right fuel pump. The electrical connections on the first 2 would not work. The mechanic said you can order the correct part (according to catalog) from a supplier for a Jeep Cherokee and be shipped a fuel pump that will not work (i.e. wrong electrical connection). In other words there are different versions of the fuel pump electrical connector on the same model year. I do not know if he ended up using an OEM fuel pump or not.
Also, the battery was replaced with a heavy duty one last winter.
I hope thats enough info. Thanks for any help or suggestions.
Doug
I'd appreciate hearing from anyone out there who might have a similar problem and any potential solutions? The squeeking may be loud at times, but, I don't believe that it means that there is a problem? Thanks in advance!
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1) Crankshaft
2) Camshaft Sensors
3) Ignition Coil
4) Cylinoid
5) Air Idle Control
6) PCM- this is what actually fixed my car after all that time, money, and work. Hope that helps with your problem, I know it's frustrating.
It is a very annoying problem, can you give some inputs on what might be the problem or can you send me your collected posts regarding 2005 stalling?
The Jeep was sitting for a couple weeks while we were away, and has not been on the highway all month.
I added a fuel injector cleaner to the gas tank yesterday. The Jeep is supposed to only have Premium Unleaded Gas, but since the spike in prices I started putting in regular gas (I was told it would not matter much). I am afraid that it has clogged it up.
Anyone have any suggestions?
My 1998 Honda Accord V6 Coupe moonroof does not fully close. The motor seems to be fine but leaves a 1" open gap. I haven't checked the fuse since I figured if the motor is working, the fuse must be okay. I can't seem to see anything obstruction the moonroof also. I tried to manually close the roof from the plug in the ceiling in the backseat but it will only close up to that 1" gap. Does anyone have any suggestions? In the worst case, how do I remove the interior roof liner to get access to the mechanisms? How about repair cost $$ ??
Thanks.
I am experiencing a problem where while driving it will begin to stall as I am starting out or comeing to a stop. I have figured out that if I feather the gas it makes it kind of back fire and it will stop after a few seconds of that usually. But not sure what it is. I have replace the whole exhaust manifold, tone a tune up on it with all the bells and whistles. My fuel pump seems to be working fine. My car also feels as if it has lost some of its power. PLEASE HELP
Further, I disconnected the battery over-night to 'reset' the computer and this morning the engine will not turn over, and there is a red light blinking under the speedometer/tach in sequence with the clock, left turn signal and a few other various interior lights.
Any advise would be appreciated.
Thank you.
Paul