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  • tlongtlong Member Posts: 5,194
    edited March 2016
    Re timing belt - I've been used to that on my VWs and Hondas - I figure it's still cheap to go 100K and then have one repair that's usually 500-1K for that maintenance item. The timing belt is also quieter than a chain, which is perhaps why many of the belted engines are more refined. I suppose it's a tradeoff.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    berri said:

    If you're doing that you may as well swap out the water pump too while it is all disassembled under there.

    $750 to $1,000 would be industry average for that job, depending on where you live. Naturally, for any "add-ons" to that basic repair, you pile on charges accordingly.

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,877
    edited March 2016
    I saw the $750 amount on a repair cost website, but I've asked around and no one I've communicated with, even in other parts of the country, has paid under $1,000 even in the past few years. The PT is a nightmare to work on under-hood.

    EDIT: A fellow in central Indiana on the Studebaker Drivers' Club website just in the past two weeks paid $954, including water pump and tensioners. He said "the book" said 5.8 hours labor but the tech took fully ten hours--and he said he had done ten or twelve of them on PT's before. The independent shop stuck to its original estimate and said the 5.8 number is a pipe dream. The owner of the PT is a regular customer of that shop. Like me, the PT is his daughter's car.
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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,877
    edited March 2016
    Some of you will find this hard to believe, but my Cobalt--particularly the one I bought new, with 5-speed--is unbelievably smooth and quiet at idle--you literally cannot tell it is running. And this with a timing chain. It is not thrashy either under acceleration, IMHO. Still on the original plugs. Maybe because I am not accustomed to a maintenance item costing as much as a major repair, this is sticking in my craw.

    Someone here had tried to tell me how "thrashy" they thought the engines were, then later copped to admitting he had never even ridden in one yet driven one. ;)

    The PT's 2.4 is notably rougher at idle and noisier at acceleration. That said, the seating position is more comfortable I think and it swallows a lot of college luggage. The turning circle is larger than the Cobalt and the gas mileage is worse, though. Still, it has been a good car for the price paid and my daughter has put over 52K miles on it in not-quite six years.

    I do look forward to buying another hobby old car, when daughter no. 2 is done with school.
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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,935
    I will say the last recent model rental Jetta I was in a few weeks ago was similar in interior quality to the last Cobalt rental I was in. This isn't a compliment, as I found the Cobalt interior too plastic for my taste; though far better than a distant memory in a rental Cavalier.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,877
    I would say you had a right to be disappointed, because the Jetta isn't the Cobalt price class I don't believe.

    The worst seat in my bottom-feeder Cobalt is the right front, as it is low to the floor and adjusts only back and forth, and reclines (of course). The driver's seat adjusts up and down (tilt), thankfully. I do love the satellite radio, which is built-in. Of course, I pay for the service but I love it. The only options I specified were body side moldings, floor mats, and ABS.

    Speaking of side moldings--is it only GM, or is everybody else no longer offering protective side moldings, even as an option? Looking at the new Malibu, and it couldn't be flatter or plainer down the side. I doubt I could own one for a week without parking lot rash.

    I miss side moldings, metal door-edge guards, and metal bumpers with protective rubber strips and bumper guards. There I go, being an anachronism again. ;)
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  • tlongtlong Member Posts: 5,194

    I would say you had a right to be disappointed, because the Jetta isn't the Cobalt price class I don't believe.

    The worst seat in my bottom-feeder Cobalt is the right front, as it is low to the floor and adjusts only back and forth, and reclines (of course). The driver's seat adjusts up and down (tilt), thankfully. I do love the satellite radio, which is built-in. Of course, I pay for the service but I love it. The only options I specified were body side moldings, floor mats, and ABS.

    Speaking of side moldings--is it only GM, or is everybody else no longer offering protective side moldings, even as an option? Looking at the new Malibu, and it couldn't be flatter or plainer down the side. I doubt I could own one for a week without parking lot rash.

    I miss side moldings, metal door-edge guards, and metal bumpers with protective rubber strips and bumper guards. There I go, being an anachronism again. ;)

    re: andres, I agree about how poor and mundane both the Jetta and Passat have become. Add dieselgate, and VW is dead to me.

    Uplander, I feel your pain! I think side moldings are rare these days. And of course they've often been body color, which means that they aren't protecting anything if they can be chipped. I usually try to park (especially my right door since there is always a driver in a car on the right) either with no space on my right, or on the left side of a space so that the right door is lowered in risk of a ding.

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,877
    edited March 2016
    While I'm on a rant about old versus new--is it really necessary to remove front bumper fascias to replace headlights? Is it really necessary to remove trans dipsticks, or even more egregiously, oil dipsticks? We've previously discussed ad nauseum the old multiple-choices in colors and being able to purchase options separately, instead of in groups where you pay for things you really don't want just to get something you do. This last thing I believe is a direct result of the domestics copying imports, sigh.
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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Nah, I think its all about production efficiencies. They don't care about maintenance down the road. Dealers make bigger bucks off of it, while manufacturers make money when you buy a new car instead.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Guess I'll be contrarian, but I'd just as soon have the readout on the dash for checking fluids (would really rather lose ICE entirely and skip the fluids and just weld the hood shut).

    Bulbs are getting up there - you can easily pay over $1,000 to replace an LED headlight nowadays. So instead of messing around with the bumper and all the other parts, just give me a front clip that really does clip on and send the old one back to Omaha for refurbishing and reuse. Ten minutes and I'm back on the road.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,877
    I remember replacing a headlight myself on my '81 Monte Carlo. I doubt I had $20 in it. Apply all the inflation you want since then....doesn't account for the ridiculous costs of replacement today. It's just stupid IMHO.
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  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289
    The last headlight I replaced? Hmmm... That would have been about 5 years ago, on a LeSabre. And yes, was less than $20, and less than 30 minutes (including the trip to WalMart to buy the replacement).
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  • fushigifushigi Member Posts: 1,459
    True that the HIDs and LED lights are a lot more expensive, but OTOH they seem to be a lot more durable. I've yet to replace a HID or have a single LED tail light go out.
    2017 Infiniti QX60 (me), 2012 Hyundai Elantra (wife)
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    "Auto sales hit an all-time high last year in the United States, and many analysts expect another record this year.

    But in this surge, some automakers are increasing sales by counting new cars bought by their own dealers as sold, raising questions about whether some segments of the auto industry — a pillar of the nation’s halting economic recovery — are as healthy as they appear.

    Kia, BMW and Nissan have all encouraged their dealers to buy cars themselves and then offer the vehicles as used models, sometimes with only a few miles on the odometer, internal company memos to dealers show."

    A Dance Between Dealer and Carmaker on Lifting Sales (NY Times)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    That's called "punching cars" in the trade.
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,600

    That's called "punching cars" in the trade.

    Wasn't that part of the Honda scandal in the 80's and 90's -- falsifying RDRs?

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Hell, as far as I know, the factory is now encouraging dealers to put their excess inventory into loaners or rental fleets.

    This isn't a great practice because the customer will see two cars side by side, in different colors, both 2015s, but one will have a $2000 discount, since it has a few miles and maybe 3 months' less warranty. So the customer wants the brand-new car in the color he likes to carry the same discount as the other one.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited April 2016
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Yep, that could be what he saw all right.
  • fushigifushigi Member Posts: 1,459
    And for manufacturers that offer 10 yr/100k powertrain warranties, those are usually shortened to 5/60 for 2nd owners. So this tactic reduces possible warranty expenses.
    2017 Infiniti QX60 (me), 2012 Hyundai Elantra (wife)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Oh hadn't thought of that....sneaky!
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    That would be Kia.

    What about BMWs? Would the "used" ones not qualify for that free service for the first three or four years?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited April 2016
    The party's over. Don't think this is just a breather.

    Automakers Miss March Sales in Sign Rapid-Growth Era Ending (Bloomberg)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Aha, not with cheap credit and 6 year auto loans Mr. Negative Man !!

    QUIZ: What is the average amount today of a new car loan?

    QUESTION 2: What percentage of auto loans today are 6 and 7 years?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited April 2016
    $28,000? (before the interest is dumped in there)

    76%?

    But you may be right - got job growth and the DOW is pushing 18,000 again. Even Las Cruces has a boom feel to it and this is a poor state.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Close---about $30,000 is the average car loan.

    NOOOO, 76% would be crazy percentage for 72 and 84 month loans (thankfully). But it's about 33%.

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    lol, batting 500ish isn't too bad eh?

    I thought it was just me and three other guys who paid cash for cars.
  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289
    I've never paid cash for a new car. Many, many times for a used car. This last new truck I purchased (September of 2015), I financed about 1/3 of the cost ($13k). And, of course, the dealer F&I tried to sneak in "gap insurance", like I really needed that.

    Now how many of you have ever paid cash for a house? The house I'm in now, purchased in May of 2011 as a Hud foreclosure, I pulled the money from my 401k and paid cash. Fourth house I have bought over the course of my long life. Amazing difference when you pay cash, you would not believe how simple and cheap the closing can be. "Death to mortgage companies" is all I can say.
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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I'm on house #7. Got the last house with cash from my checking account. Livable houses in the UP cost about as much as a loaded minivan. Or a used Pinto if you can live with some, er, issues.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I always pay cash for my used cars. Waking up debt free each morning just puts a spring in my step--YRMV.
  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289
    What really, really bugged me this last time buying a house –

    I can get pre-approved for an auto loan in the amount of $50,000 over the course of one morning at my credit union. This at 1.59%, for 72 months. The other credit union I belong to is a little slower, takes one to two days for pre-approval, and they charge 1.99%, but they go out to 84 months.

    Now $50,000 for 72 months at 1.59% would amount to about $728 per month, a very affordable house payment. But you can’t do that. I talked to the lady who runs my credit union about this, and she is as frustrated about it as I am. She believes absolutely that a home loan like this would be much more secure than an equivalent loan on a new car. But that isn’t permitted. The mortgage industry long ago “bought” laws protecting them from competition, and now …

    Kinda reminds me of what Tesla is going through right now, with all of the laws protecting car dealerships.

    The best deal I could find on a mortgage was 15 years at somewhere over 3% interest, with closing costs of over $3,800. Really? Over $3,800? This makes the “doc fee” on a new car purchase look paltry, doesn’t it? And it pretty much amounts to the same thing, profit.

    So I pulled the money from my 401k. Unbelievably easy to close on a house when you pay cash. Walked in with a cashier’s check, signed my name twice (that’s right, twice), and left in less than 10 minutes.

    I did not pay for title insurance. I was buying the house from the federal government (HUD), I doubted they were ripping me off. I did not pay for an inspection, my brother and a good friend of mine went over the house very carefully. I’m fully confident they did a better inspection than a “professional” would have done. And I did not pay for a survey. The house was built and sold in 2006, with the federal government guaranteeing the mortgage. What are the odds that the property lines were off? Pretty slim, I would say.
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    VW To "Redefine" Brand in USA (whatever that means exactly)
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,877
    edited April 2016
    I know with GM's 5 yr./100K mile powertrain warranty, it was transferrable at no cost to the next owner. They've reduced their warranty to 60K miles, to be like most everybody else, for 2016. If I were looking for an Impala (the GM vehicle I like best), I'd be looking for a 2015 just to get the extra miles on the warranty. The '15 and the '16 are the same car.
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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,935
    henryn said:

    I've never paid cash for a new car. Many, many times for a used car. This last new truck I purchased (September of 2015), I financed about 1/3 of the cost ($13k). And, of course, the dealer F&I tried to sneak in "gap insurance", like I really needed that.

    Now how many of you have ever paid cash for a house? The house I'm in now, purchased in May of 2011 as a Hud foreclosure, I pulled the money from my 401k and paid cash. Fourth house I have bought over the course of my long life. Amazing difference when you pay cash, you would not believe how simple and cheap the closing can be. "Death to mortgage companies" is all I can say.

    I'm with you here. I just sold my old condo that had one of the longest pending sales in the history of pending sales (long story). Anyway, the closing costs were ridiculous. Are you in CA? The taxes and first deed document filing fees are extraordinary. Also, another reason to hate HOA management companies, they charged me $270 up front and $320 at closing for the pleasure of selling/transferring MY condo! I was told by the Escrow company this is a very reasonable HOA fee compared to others that can be much higher (the horror!). Title insurance a bit over a grand on a $290K property. Lastly, does money really NEED to be wired for $20 in this day and age? Can't we transfer money cheaper then that in 2016?

    With property having gone up lately, I can see how people mainly just overlook these exorbitantly high fees and charges. When property values go down, I can see how the house of cards easily fails as it is better to just "walk away" than pay all these fees! Of course, putting 20% down will keep most from walking away, but they are still doing 0% down loans for people out there.

    On the buying side my closing costs were actually reasonable given the "credit" on loan fees I got with my rate that essentially made it "free." I shopped my purchase loan rate and costs around several banks to make them compete. Appraisal was waived, but get this, there's like a $150 waiver fee to avoid the $450 appraisal fee. Aside from small houses in CA costing a fortune, my other main expense is property tax on that house that costs a small fortune.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,877
    I haven't had a car payment since 2004. I've bought three new Chevys (a van, a Cobalt, and a Malibu) since then, and two used cars (PT and Cobalt) and two Studebakers (one for only $4,200 and the other more expensive, but bought with proceeds of sale of another). If I have to get back into car loans it'll make me cranky.

    As is obvious, I don't buy expensive vehicles--even the new ones.
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  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289
    andres3 said:

    henryn said:

    I've never paid cash for a new car. Many, many times for a used car. This last new truck I purchased (September of 2015), I financed about 1/3 of the cost ($13k). And, of course, the dealer F&I tried to sneak in "gap insurance", like I really needed that.

    Now how many of you have ever paid cash for a house? The house I'm in now, purchased in May of 2011 as a Hud foreclosure, I pulled the money from my 401k and paid cash. Fourth house I have bought over the course of my long life. Amazing difference when you pay cash, you would not believe how simple and cheap the closing can be. "Death to mortgage companies" is all I can say.

    I'm with you here. I just sold my old condo that had one of the longest pending sales in the history of pending sales (long story). Anyway, the closing costs were ridiculous. Are you in CA? The taxes and first deed document filing fees are extraordinary. Also, another reason to hate HOA management companies, they charged me $270 up front and $320 at closing for the pleasure of selling/transferring MY condo! I was told by the Escrow company this is a very reasonable HOA fee compared to others that can be much higher (the horror!). Title insurance a bit over a grand on a $290K property. Lastly, does money really NEED to be wired for $20 in this day and age? Can't we transfer money cheaper then that in 2016?

    With property having gone up lately, I can see how people mainly just overlook these exorbitantly high fees and charges. When property values go down, I can see how the house of cards easily fails as it is better to just "walk away" than pay all these fees! Of course, putting 20% down will keep most from walking away, but they are still doing 0% down loans for people out there.

    On the buying side my closing costs were actually reasonable given the "credit" on loan fees I got with my rate that essentially made it "free." I shopped my purchase loan rate and costs around several banks to make them compete. Appraisal was waived, but get this, there's like a $150 waiver fee to avoid the $450 appraisal fee. Aside from small houses in CA costing a fortune, my other main expense is property tax on that house that costs a small fortune.

    andres3 said:

    henryn said:

    I've never paid cash for a new car. Many, many times for a used car. This last new truck I purchased (September of 2015), I financed about 1/3 of the cost ($13k). And, of course, the dealer F&I tried to sneak in "gap insurance", like I really needed that.

    Now how many of you have ever paid cash for a house? The house I'm in now, purchased in May of 2011 as a Hud foreclosure, I pulled the money from my 401k and paid cash. Fourth house I have bought over the course of my long life. Amazing difference when you pay cash, you would not believe how simple and cheap the closing can be. "Death to mortgage companies" is all I can say.

    I'm with you here. I just sold my old condo that had one of the longest pending sales in the history of pending sales (long story). Anyway, the closing costs were ridiculous. Are you in CA? The taxes and first deed document filing fees are extraordinary. Also, another reason to hate HOA management companies, they charged me $270 up front and $320 at closing for the pleasure of selling/transferring MY condo! I was told by the Escrow company this is a very reasonable HOA fee compared to others that can be much higher (the horror!). Title insurance a bit over a grand on a $290K property. Lastly, does money really NEED to be wired for $20 in this day and age? Can't we transfer money cheaper then that in 2016?

    With property having gone up lately, I can see how people mainly just overlook these exorbitantly high fees and charges. When property values go down, I can see how the house of cards easily fails as it is better to just "walk away" than pay all these fees! Of course, putting 20% down will keep most from walking away, but they are still doing 0% down loans for people out there.

    On the buying side my closing costs were actually reasonable given the "credit" on loan fees I got with my rate that essentially made it "free." I shopped my purchase loan rate and costs around several banks to make them compete. Appraisal was waived, but get this, there's like a $150 waiver fee to avoid the $450 appraisal fee. Aside from small houses in CA costing a fortune, my other main expense is property tax on that house that costs a small fortune.

    No, I don't live in California, I'm in Houston, Tx.

    Since my original post on this subject, I have received an offer on a property which has been on the market for nearly 9 months (soft housing market here in Houston due to falling oil prices, etc, etc). The buyers have pre-approved credit, and offered to pay the asking price (which has been dropped twice over the course of time), if I would pay $6,000 of the closing costs. I had to stop and think, but I would have accepted an offer of $6k less than asking, so why not? The contract (what I have seen so far) says something like "up to the first $6,000 of the closing costs". I asked my realtor, and he said, "Yeah, expect to be out $6k."

    Which makes me wonder what the total closing costs will be.
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  • tlongtlong Member Posts: 5,194
    Sounds like the costs just jumped up to $6K to ensure the honeypot is fully emptied...
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Read somewhere that by 2020 there will be (gasp!) 352 separately named cars and light trucks available in the U.S. market. It's getting bewildering already.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Separately named cars...hm.

    If I go to the Edmunds Car Finder and click on 2016 models, I get 517 hits.

    If you consider the Kia Rio sedan to be the "same" car as the Kia Rio hatchback, then that would whack the overall number of separate cars down quite a lot.
  • tlongtlong Member Posts: 5,194
    I'd much rather have plenty than be in a situation like we are with say internet service providers - you have your lousy cable company, your lousy DSL provider, and expensive and high latency satellite provider.... and that is it.
  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289
    tlong said:

    I'd much rather have plenty than be in a situation like we are with say internet service providers - you have your lousy cable company, your lousy DSL provider, and expensive and high latency satellite provider.... and that is it.

    I have to disagree with you on that one. I used dial up in the bad old days, and things are so much better now it amazes me. A lot of it depends on where you live. I have several friends who live out in the boonies, and have only very limited, very poor choices. My comcast cable internet is very fast, and very reliable. Very.
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    It's ironic really that I get such reliable internet service from a company that was recently voted the most hated in America.
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    edited April 2016
    I've had access to a cable modem since 2000. I've moved to six times since then to different cities/states. Some cable companies are better than others, but I rarely have service issues. Prior to cable modem, I had a separate phone line for the modem, so I was probably paying more a month then for 56/kibts speed than I am now for 50mb.Even with a separate phone line, connections would drop all the time.

    Now I do have friends out in the country and their options are limited and internet service is poor. Using data over a mobile phone is their best option.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited April 2016
    That could be me - can (potentially) get 5mb DSL or line of sight wifi (same 5 mg). They did build a new cell tower not far away so that could be an option now.

    It won't be long until you won't be able to get your car updated overnight while you sleep unless you have "fast enough" bandwidth. Guess I can go park at McDonalds and force the update. :)
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    "Overall, automakers on Tuesday are expected to report the best-ever April for vehicle sales in the United States, adding fuel to the fire for another record-breaking year.

    Analysts anticipate the industry to have sold more than 1.51 million car and trucks last month, a roughly 4 percent increase from a year ago that would top the April sales record of just over 1.5 million in 2005."

    Fooled me - I thought sales would be easing this year.

    GM down 3.5%; FCA, Ford report modest gains in sales (USA Today)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    edited May 2016
    cheap credit with subprime loans---works every time! B)



    25% of auto loans are extending 6-7 years, and some are going 8. Average loan is 5.5 years, highest ever.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Unlike a house though, it's a lot easier to repo a car.
  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289
    "GM reported a 3.5 percent loss in sales last month compared to April 2015, with daily rentals down 39 percent;"

    What exactly do they mean by "daily rentals"? Are they talking about fleet sales to Hertz, or something else entirely?
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    stever said:

    Unlike a house though, it's a lot easier to repo a car.

    It's also a lot easier to just surrender the car to repo than to surrender the house, although 5 million bad loans @ $30,000 per hit isn't as bad as 5 million bad house loans, I will admit. Still it ain't chump change. (150 billion dollars)

    NASA's budget --- approx $19 billion.

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited May 2016
    @henryn, yeah, guess that's an industry buzz word for fleet sales to the rental agencies, per autonews.com.

    Evidently that's a good thing in this case. GM is chasing margins, not market share.
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