Honda Civic Si / SiR 2005 and earlier

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  • dasteph94dasteph94 Member Posts: 20
    A Honda PR person told me that the price will be in the "$18 to 20 thousand range"
    (he wouldn't narrow it down for me--said he can't at this point.

    Also, I was told that the car will be available early in 2002--not in the summer!
    (I'm a journalist)
  • civic_cx_92civic_cx_92 Member Posts: 87
    Pricing in UK for new Civic type R 15,995 pounds.

    $22,528.96 as of today 7-9-2001(currency fluctuation)

    Note Honda Accords sell between $20,416 and 26,050.21 in UK.

    (1.8 and 2.0 I-VTEC inline 4 cyl only, no V-6 available)

    http://www.vtec.net/news/items/745.html

    USA consumers purchasing a 2002 Civic Si for $16-18k sounds reasonable to me.
  • utopiautopia Member Posts: 24
    Does anyone have info whether the 2002 Civic Si will have an optional automatic transmission?
  • wordman93wordman93 Member Posts: 36
  • pac619pac619 Member Posts: 1
    i have a 2001 civic ex and i always beat my friend sergio that has a 2000 zx3 with an intake
    of the start we ar the same but by the time i hit 3gear i just pull away by a couple of car lengths
    but the focus has more hp and torque but i still destroy him
    i guess its the Vtec
  • sunilbsunilb Member Posts: 407
    I just read an article in autonews.com, where a Honda person says that the two problems with bringing a CTR here are:

    1- the lower ride height would make it do poorly in crash tests; and

    2- the volume of sales (compared to the Si) wouldn't make it feasible.
  • mdrivermdriver Member Posts: 385
    A 2002 Civic Si for $16-18k would be reasonable to me if that was the case. But probably closer to $19k will be reality.

    The Focus vs Civic EX acceleration: By the time you hit third gear, you are doing close to 60mph. At that point if the Focus and Civic are even, then their 0 to 60 times are the same. Who really cares what happens after that unless you like getting stopped by the local constabulary.
  • kcirredkcirred Member Posts: 10
    I would if I was trying to passing a semi on a single lane highway.
  • civic_cx_92civic_cx_92 Member Posts: 87
    i-VTEC, 2.0-litre four-cylinder unit develops 197bhp at 7,400rpm

    0-62 in 6.8 sec, 146 mph top speed.

    http://www.vtec.net/news/items/751.html

    USA to get only Si models (160 bhp) for now.
  • civicminded84civicminded84 Member Posts: 1
    Does Honda plan to offer automatic transmission as an option for the Civic Si 2002 in the US? Someone else here asked about this recently and I thought I'd follow up on the question.

    Also, does Honda plan to resurrect any of their other hatchbacks anytime soon?
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Member Posts: 2,228
    No automatic will be offered, just like in previous Si models. There are no plans currently for any other hatchback models. There is the small possibility that Honda will introduce a 5-door Civic similar in concept to the old Civic Wagon in 03 (the same model that is currently sold in Europe).
  • rsxorcivicsirsxorcivicsi Member Posts: 1
    One of the things about the new RSX that appeals to me is the headroom. I am a six-footer, and my head hits the roof of the old Integra. My head also hits the roof of a 2001 civic with a sunroof. What I am wondering is, will the 2002 civic si have the same, more, or less headroom than the 2001 civic? Most importantly from my perspective, will it have as much as the RSX....?
  • only1harryonly1harry Member Posts: 1,140
    0-60 in 6.8s? That must be what Honda advertises which is always very conservative. Look at the RSX-S. Acura said 0-60 in 7s, but C&D did a full road test in their recent Aug. issue 0-60 was 6.1s!! This means that the CTR will be just as fast or faster due to the fact it will weigh less. It has the weight advantage over the RSX-S which weighs 2770lbs. The CTR would probably weigh around 2600-2650 at the most. An '02 EX coupe weighs 2550. I can't really see the CTR hatch weighing more than 2600. Besides, Civic hatchbacks have always been about 200lbs lighter than the coupes & sedans. My '97 DX HB weighs 2258lbs plus A/C which was added by the dealer, so say maybe 2300 vs. 2500lbs of a g6 EX coupe. If anything, the CTR will be a 6sec. flat 0-60 car if not less.
    '99 Integra GSR
    '06 Civic LX coupe
    '11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
    '13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
  • only1harryonly1harry Member Posts: 1,140
    from the UK. Notice that this is silver. All prior CTRs were white only. This is the same body as the Si that we 'll get in the US. I 'm sure the body kit will be available for the Si here. I 'm starting to like it.


    image

    '99 Integra GSR
    '06 Civic LX coupe
    '11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
    '13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
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  • civic_cx_92civic_cx_92 Member Posts: 87
    This is the 2.0 liter iVTEC on RSX...I'd bet the farm It's the same engine that's going into 2002 Civic Si.

    87 octane unleaded fuel!

    160 hp @ 6500 rpm, 6800 rpm redline

    141 lb.-ft. @ 4000 rpm

    http://www.acura.com/model_RSX/rsx_spec_results.asp

    CTR using the RSX Type S engine sounds logical to me.

    CX
  • novcenthusiastnovcenthusiast Member Posts: 80
    yep, but it seems the Si engine will be detuned so that it only outputs 130 ft-lbs of torque.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    Because it's an Acura RSX
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    ... I'll bet the U.S. will never see a real Type R Civic or Accord like you'll find in Europe. If it has more power/toys/"luxury", Honda will insist on slapping an Acura badge on it to extract maximum $$ from status conscious Americans.
  • himilerhimiler Member Posts: 1,209
    Bingo! That's why I'm done with Honda/Acura, at least until they start importing cars for enthusiasts again. Honda has forsaken the same buyers that made the nameplate synonymous with "performance import."
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    With Mitsubishi threatening to bring over the Lancer EVO, Subaru threatening to bring over an STi WRX, and Toyota working on a Supra replacement, Honda should just bring over the Type-R Civic and make sure that the upcoming NSX is well worth the 10 year wait.
  • civic_cx_92civic_cx_92 Member Posts: 87
    novcenthusiast... where did you find info on detuning for 130 lb-ft? It dosn't sound logical for Honda to produce so many engine variants.

    diploid... Acura just came out with RSX Type-S for WRX. When STI and EVO comes out, then Honda will up the bid IMHO.
  • dasteph94dasteph94 Member Posts: 20
    If any of you are as dissatisfied as I am about the new Honda hatchback and
    want to get all the same options as our brethren in Europe, may I suggest
    you do what I did and write to the Honda USA president at:

    American Honda Motor Co. Inc
    Attention Mr. Koichi Anemiya
    1919 Torrance Blvd.
    Torrance, CA 90501

    I think Honda still listens to their customers, so please make sure you
    take a minute to voice your gripes!
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    They ought to just read this board. We're buying their products, they have to come to us!
  • greenguygreenguy Member Posts: 78
    Honda brought the RSX-S to compete I/ the WAX? Are you serious? Don't kid yourself, NOTHING Honda produces is in the same league with the WAX.
    Dot get me wrong Honda does have some real performance cars, but at completely different ends of the spectrum. AWD-Turbo_Pure performance in mind-dot wory about luxory items, Vs. good gas milege-long lasting reliability with good handling-and No torque front wheel drive.
    Totally different ball game.
  • novcenthusiastnovcenthusiast Member Posts: 80
    Glad I didn't have to search for too long. The information about the torque can actually be found in Edmund's First Look article on the 2002 Civic Si.
  • civic_cx_92civic_cx_92 Member Posts: 87
    greenguy...I'd like to see more comparison before I'm convinced RSX type S is not in the same league as WRX. Please list some cars you think is in WRX's league.

    novcenthusiast...thanks for the info, 130 lb-ft it says alright. What are Honda engineers doing? 130 lb-ft @ 2000 rpm??
  • civic_cx_92civic_cx_92 Member Posts: 87
    The 1/4 mile time shown for RSX type S is 15.4 seconds according to motorweek test. I thought the RSX-S'd hit it in the 14's as the WRX. My humble apologies, the WRX is in another class.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    The Acura RSX isn't in the same league as the WRX.
    People should be comparing the WRX to the BMW wagons and Audi allroad quattros.

    The Acura RSX is going head to head with the new Mercedes Benz C230 hatchback. I think it can even compete with the Lexus IS300.
  • novcenthusiastnovcenthusiast Member Posts: 80
    I'd say there really isn't much to compare the WRX to (in the States at least).
    Subaru list competition as the 325xi and Audi A4 1.8T? quattro. I don't think that's a fair comparison either. The only thing these cars have in common is all wheel drive. The BMW's engine displacement is far greater, and neither the BMW or Audi is close in horsepower. Standard features and general interior atmosphere differ greatly as well.

    Perhaps the Type-R RSX will have similar performance numbers in the speed department, and it may possibly out handle the WRX.

    The only thing that would be close is a de-tuned EVO VII as I imagine the standard Lancer EVO VII would compete directly against the WRX STi.
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Member Posts: 163
    I will hate to see how the "Brits" are going to build the SI after the Sterling fiasco. One thing about the "Brits", they have always built cars with quality problems!
  • greenguygreenguy Member Posts: 78
    Uggggg. Whats up with my spelling? Spell checker way sucks!
    Anyways, Like novcenthusiast stated, there is no real competition for the WRX. Compairing BMW, Audi is futile, sinse those are LUXORY vehicles.
    The WRX is an economy car that is completely hotrodded out from the factory. pure performance.
    I'm not even compairing # between the two, they are just different.
    Back to the Si, It will be a neat car when it arives. I think Honda is beeing very bold with the shifter comeing out of the dash. I like that.
  • mdrivermdriver Member Posts: 385
    The Brits feel (or felt) the exact same way about cars from Detroit. When the Sterling came out, there was also a car called a Tempo. The Brits are just as suspicious about US made cars as Americans are about British made cars, possibly more so. If the quality of the new Civic Si is not up to par, it won't be because of its UK origin, but because of Honda's weak quality with the 01 Civic worldwide.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    It leaves the floor flat and gives you more space. However, I do see a potential danger to this. What if your passenger's drinking a can of soda and it falls out of his or her hand and rolls right up under the brakes? (I know, almost impossible to do, but hey...it could happen)

    I wish it would some with some sort of net barrier to prevent something like this from happening. I've never used the hand brakes before, but in a situation like that, I wouldn't think to use the hand brakes for some reason. I would just steer away from traffic.
  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    Civic is 31,000+
    whereas Focus was 18,000 !!

    Civic doesn't have any rebate/incentive or special financing !

    So is the Focus hype is over ??
  • himilerhimiler Member Posts: 1,209
    Are you drinking bong water? Honda is blowing out the last of the 2001 Civics with 2.9-5.9% financing. They're even bending over on V6 Accords and CR-Vs!
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    Sobers was stating the sales figures from July.

    I don't know about other areas of the U.S., but the "End of the year" promo for Honda just started about a week ago in my area.
  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Member Posts: 1,696
    ..had brought those sales numbers up at, but I'll ask again. Does any one have world wide sales numbers? I'm willing to be that the Focus still is outselling the Civic world wide. Last year I know it was either the Focus or VW Golf that was the best selling car in the world, but I have no idea about sales this year world wide. Anybody have some numbers?
  • civic_cx_92civic_cx_92 Member Posts: 87
    five pics of CTR

    http://www.vtec.net/news/items/773.html

    Looks much better than RSX-S, will American Honda import it?

    CX
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    I read somewhere that the Focus was the #1 selling car in Europe. But I don't know about the rest of the world. Honda isn't very popular over in Europe. But for some reason, Focus can't dethrone the Civic in North America. Personally, I wouldn't buy either cars.
  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Member Posts: 1,696
    is designed more for the North American market than the Focus. I hate using the marketing term but the focus is a "world-car" so I am still impressed that it sells as well as it does both here and in Europe. World of difference between what drivers want out of a car.
  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    Civic is selling better than Focus despite of rebte/special financing. PLease correct me if I am wrong about Civic's special financing ??
  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Member Posts: 1,696
    Well they are advertising special financing here (in Oklahoma City) on Civics and Accords, but I don't think it's been running for too long. Most of the month of July has probably been without incentives.

    Anybody have current, world-wide sales numbers?
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    I am also curious about the worldwide sales number, but for some reason, no one seems to have them! I mean, they say the Ford Explorer is the best selling SUV in the world, so somebody's gotta have this information! LOL

    The current Honda clearance sale going on in my area offers a low apr. But no cash back customer rewards.

    If you go to www.autosite.com you can see the sales records for the U.S.
  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Member Posts: 1,696
    I still don't understand why so many people buy those Explorers. My mother even has one (and she has absolutely NO need for an SUV) and it rides like a dump truck. ughh.
  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    In many countries Honda sales Civic under different names like City.
  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Member Posts: 1,696
    world wide are impressive as they are. It's hard to design a car to sell well in alot of different markets. The civic is available in Europe though. I'd settle for some European civic sales #s. I know the UK is excited about the Civic Type-R release.
  • civic_cx_92civic_cx_92 Member Posts: 87
    Manufacturing costs in England are among the highest in Europe and the reputation of British vehicles is often seen as poor. But Honda says that it can make a buck and turn out a high quality car with the English-made $17,500 Civic Si hatchback due here in early 2002.

    http://www.autonews.com/html/main/tc2001/hondatc808.htm

    Prices will top out at $20,000 for a fully loaded model.

    What kind of options will cost $2,500? I thought Si's were loaded.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    Wow that's expensive.
  • civic_cx_92civic_cx_92 Member Posts: 87
    dipliod, I expected it to be between $16k-18K.
    The American Honda expect to sell only 10k units of Si for next year. If $17.5k is expensive then how does it compare to 2000 Si?
    Following are what was equipped standard on Y2K Si:
    Air Conditioning
    Power Steering
    Power Windows
    Power Door Locks
    Tilt Wheel
    Cruise Control
    AM/FM Stereo
    Compact Disc
    Dual Air Bags
    Moon Roof
    Alloy Wheels
    P195/55R15 V-rated Michelin XGT V4 tires

    BTW, The Y2K Si sold for $17,960 and required Premium gas.
    $17,500 is 12,275.53 pounds, mdriver if Si is offered in UK will it sell?
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