Subaru Impreza WRX Wagon

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  • bkaiser1bkaiser1 Member Posts: 464
    I picked up the 02 WRX seats this weekend and got them installed in my 04 WRX relatively easily on Saturday. (Sorry, Juice, for the lack of pics...I'm without a digital camera right now!) They look great in the car, and the mismatched seat fabric in the front and rear is a non-issue for me -- the fabric in 02/03 has a similar pattern, just a different color, and doesn't look strange at all in the car.

    The only issues we had were with disconnecting the airbag wires, which were an absolute pain to unplug, and with the plastic bolt-covers in the rear floor. It seems the 04 covers wouldn't go back on the 02/03 seat track to hide the bolts, no biggie.

    One thing I can't remember, though, is if my "Fasten Seatbelt" light used to come on if I didn't buckle the drivers belt with the car running. The airbag and seatbelt lights come on as normal when starting the car, and shut off correctly after a few seconds, but the seatbelt light doesn't come on if I unbuckle it. Maybe that's how it used to operate, I can't remember.

    I only drove the car a few miles yesterday, so I can't comment on the long distance comfort of the 02 seats compared to my 04's...but I'll put a few hundred miles on the car this week to find out. My initial impressions are positive and I think these seats are going to feel much better than the original ones.

    Brian
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I like those seats, too. Actually I like the new ones, I'm one of the folks that fits well in either one.

    -juice
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    stays on for a little while as a reminder and would go off. Won't stay on or come on if seatbelt is not fasten or unfasten.

    -Dave
  • bkaiser1bkaiser1 Member Posts: 464
    I couldn't remember if it did that or not. I wonder why there's a wire on the driver's side seatbelt then, that plugs into the car? The passenger seat has one plug (for the side airbag) and driver seat has two plugs (airbag, seatbelt). It seems like the driver's seatbelt plug would trigger a light or something if it's going to be wired up. Hmmm.

    Brian
  • outback_97outback_97 Member Posts: 130
    Sorry if this is a little late, but someone posted a question about upgrading speakers a while back and I thought this might be useful:

    http://users.sisna.com/ignatius/subaru/mods

    utahsteve
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Brian-
    Hmmm two plugs on the '04 driver's seat. I'll crawl under the '04s to check when I get the chance. :)

    Might be an odd seat from a "oops we ran out of regular ones; we'll just put a heated one, they won't know the difference" ;-)

    -Dave
  • bkaiser1bkaiser1 Member Posts: 464
    Well, to be clearer, the seat driver's seat itself only has one plug (for the airbag) but there is also a plug connected to the driver's seatbelt recepticle (?) which is bolted to the inboard side of the seat. So there are 2 wiring harnesses that come out of the drivers side floor on the 04 WRX...one plugs to the airbag, one to the seatbelt.

    The 2002 WRX seats I bought and installed didn't have the seatbelt anchors on them; I had to take them off my 04 seats in bolt them on. Maybe earlier WRX's didn't have that cord running from the seatbelt?

    Is it possible that the seatbelt is wired to sense whether the driver is belted in when the front airbags deploy? I know some cars have "smart" airbags that deploy at different forces depending on whether you're belted in or not. hmmm (again)...

    Brian
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Shoot me an e-mail, i may be interested in your '04 seats.

    -mike
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    That is indeed interesting. I bet Patti knows :)

    -Dave
  • msdannyjmsdannyj Member Posts: 22
    Thanks for the info on the speakers..i went to sites like crutchfield and they recommend 6.5 inch for front and 4 inch for the back. So i have ordered the following

    infinty 6.5 inch component spkrs for frnt and 4 inch component for back

    Blaupunkt San fran cd72 receiver

    Rockford fosgate 5 channel amp

    Now I need to find an installer in north jersey...

    Also, what is the best way to fix dings in the car...do it yourself or are there any pros who do this?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Shoot me an e-mail I know a few installers in NNJ.

    -mike
  • dnestrdnestr Member Posts: 188
    Morning,

    has anybody heard something about coolant/radiator leaks on 2003 WRX? It becomes the common breakage on newer 2,0 WRXs, if to believe what people wrote on some European boards. I am curious do 2,5 WRX's radiators (btw, are they the same as 2,0's?) suffer from something similar to this, or the problem concerns the Japanese assembled vehicles only? Thanks.
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    all imprezas are assembled in Japan.

    ~c
  • dnestrdnestr Member Posts: 188
    OK, let it be so, but I am still looking for an explanation. Thanks.
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Have not heard of anyone with this issue here in the U.S., at least the Tri-State area.

    -Dave
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    I think Google will serve you better. There are not any 2.5L impreza turbos except for the STi, and if you are asking about the naturally aspirated 2.5L then I would recommend not using the term "WRX" in your search.

    ~colin
  • dnestrdnestr Member Posts: 188
    Yep, just have checked your subaru.com - 2,0 WRX, this is even better! So has anyone had the leak on his 2,0 WRX (not STi), which assembled in Japan?
  • merrycynicmerrycynic Member Posts: 340
    I had a little problem with this. My dealer tightened the clamp the first time. Replaced the hose and clamp the second time. I still suspect some leakage. Mind you the leakage must be very slow, as I've never found the level below minimum. I check things like fluids and tire pressure at least weekly. I'm on the verge of 36k miles and other than routine oil changes as per the owners manual I have never had to add oil. I find this amazing. After the initial break in oil change they occur ever 7500 miles. My last 6 cylinder normally aspirated car needed an oil change every 3K miles and I always had to add oil after 2k. the point of all this is I find myself adding a tiny bit coolant every moth or so.
  • dnestrdnestr Member Posts: 188
    thanks for your input. But those fellows wrote their engines had been loosing the coolant very quick, just a few seconds. One guy got even a capital repair of his engine.
  • kevin111kevin111 Member Posts: 991
    Very few posts, if any, about coolant leaks like that. Maybe it is a European thing?
  • msdannyjmsdannyj Member Posts: 22
    i have e-mailed you at your azp address...
  • andmoonandmoon Member Posts: 320
    How do those speakers compare to Subaru's 'upgraded' speakers?
    Don
  • davidb72davidb72 Member Posts: 174
    2004 WRX Wagon, 22,000 miles. I've had the car for about 10 months and recently noticed a faint smell of antifreeze when outside the car after parking it hot.

    Took a look under the hood and found fine coolant spray around the air filter housing. It seems that the radiator was leaking slightly where the plastic and metal meet.

    Took it to the dealer and they replaced it (with the same thing) under warranty.
  • davidb72davidb72 Member Posts: 174
    I too think it is way too sensitive. I seem to get into the ABS at least once a day. I do tend to drive "enthusiastically", but the ABS almost caused me to drive into someone in the snow. It was at a light, coming to a stop in the snow and the ABS is pulsing away and I'm moving closer and closer to the back of another car... At the last moment it occured to me to pull on the hand brake to lock up the rear wheels and it is a good thing that I did because it just managed to stop me with (literally) inches to spare.

    Another time while autocrossing (usually a Miata, but took the Suby Wagon out this time) and I got heavy into the ABS and just about missed two slalom gates because of the brake pedal pushing back at me. That is a really weird feeling, glad I got to experience it at AutoX and not on the street.

    As an aside, I pulled the ABS fuse and ran my two fastest runs with it disabled...

    I'm hoping better tires and maybe some Koni adjustable struts will help me tame the wickedness that is WRX ABS...
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    My question is if the ABS was pulsing, why didn't you steer around the car in front of you? I guess you were boxed in or something, or just need to re-learn how to drive with ABS.

    After going to track school, I can now avoid accidents easily by steering around obstacles rather than just stopping.

    -mike
  • pathstar1pathstar1 Member Posts: 1,015
    has one big problem - it lengthens the stopping distance on snow or gravel (loose surfaces). For that reason, it would be nice to have a momentary button on the steering wheel to disable it while the button is pressed.

    Some of us live in places where there could be snow on the road 6 months of the year (the rest offer poor sledding ;-).
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    just slowing down or braking earlier?

    -Brian
  • kevin111kevin111 Member Posts: 991
    "has one big problem - it lengthens the stopping distance on snow or gravel (loose surfaces). For that reason, it would be nice to have a momentary button on the steering wheel to disable it while the button is pressed."

    - It does increase the stopping distance, but was under the impression that the difference in breaking distance between today's ABS breaking systems and the ones without ABS is virtually nil.

    I remember seeing an article with two identical cars, one with and one without ABS, and they were extremely close in terms of stopping distance.

    Heck, cars today with ABS break much quicker than similiar cars of even a decade ago without the ABS.
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    Heck, cars today with ABS break much quicker than similiar cars of even a decade ago without the ABS

    What do ABS brakes have to do with cars breaking much quicker? ;-)

    DaveM
  • outback_97outback_97 Member Posts: 130
    Don:

    Not sure if your question in #4937 was for me, but in the install writeup note that I started with the base speakers, so I can't say how the upgraded ones are vs. the Infinitys.

    The aftermarket speakers are definitely an improvement over the stock ones. We noticed much better sound, and that's with the stock HU. Upgrading that would improve it yet again. The stock speakers are pretty cheap. I doubt the "upgraded" ones are a lot better, but that's just educated guessing about OEM speakers.

    utahsteve
  • andmoonandmoon Member Posts: 320
    utahsteve,
    Thanks for the response. Yeap, the 'upgrade' speakers and amp/sub are not worth the money. If only I could find a place to install an amp where it won't be in the way...
    Don
  • kevin111kevin111 Member Posts: 991
    I have the upgraded speakers and am very happy with them. Clarity is fine for my needs, and volume ability and bass response is greatly increased.

    Hi quality aftermarket speakers, like the Infinitys should have cleaner sound and better musical component separation (being able to tell which musical instrument is playing what).

    With that being said, unless you go with a subwoofer you will not get the bass response that the upgraded system in the WRX produces.

    If you do mount a subwoofer into your WRX, it will most likely take up much more room than the current sub in the upgraded speaker system since that one mounts under the passenger seat.

    Just depends on your preference - clarity vs. bass, how much you want to spend, and how much room you want to sacrifice.
  • kevin111kevin111 Member Posts: 991
    In previous cars, I have replaced just the head unit, replaced the rear speakers and not the head unit, replaced both.

    Replacing the head unit seemed to have the biggest affect on sound quality, FYI. This is assuming your car has decent speakers to begin with (in my '95 Camry, they actually were decent).
  • bkaiser1bkaiser1 Member Posts: 464
    I finally got to drive my car after swapping out the seats last weekend -- a 300 mile trip yesterday. What a difference! The 02 seats felt perfect and so much more comfortable than the original (04) seats.

    I'm relieved that this seems to have cured my one major gripe about the car -- if it didn't, I was considering selling it. So the good news is that my WRX feels great, but the bad news is that I'm running out of justifications for a new Legacy GT or Outback XT!

    Brian
  • joybelljoybell Member Posts: 275
    does Subaru still make it? If not, when was the last model year for that engine?
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    Last year for 2.2L in US (probably Canada too):

    Impreza (except RS) - 2001
    Legacy (except Outback and GT) - 1999

    DaveM
  • kevin111kevin111 Member Posts: 991
    Glad that everything worked out with your WRX!!!

    Has the mounting of the seats been as solid and easy to adjust as the originals?
  • bkaiser1bkaiser1 Member Posts: 464
    The seats are held by 4 bolts to the floor, and the 02/03 mounts are identical to the 04's, so there's no change in the "solidity" (is that a word?) or to the adjustments of the OEM seats. With the originals, I was forever fiddling with the adjustments on long drives trying to get comfortable...with these 02 seats, I set it in the driveway and didn't have to touch the adjustments again on my trip.

    Really an easy swap, and completely worth it for me...it's amazing how a simple $300 modification can transform my opinion of the car! On a petty note, I LOVE the blue/black fabric on the seats, especially with the WRB exterior.

    Brian
  • kevin111kevin111 Member Posts: 991
    Do agree about the interior matching the black exterior (WRB?). Have a black '02 and works for me!
  • cptpltcptplt Member Posts: 1,075
    In latest issue, they loved the WRX wagon. Even with the BBS 17in wheels they got sub 6 sec 0-60s. Interesting that unlike C & D etc, they let the manufacturer supply even things like the upgraded wheels and they seem to even let the dealer/manufacturer know whos car it is.
  • nixomosenixomose Member Posts: 95
    I got screwed twice in one week. The driver side rear view mirror broke. It no longer stays in position, just swivels freely in the wind. Car has 19K on it I figure its under warantee. The dealer orders the part, and doesn't charge me for it which usually means I don't have to pay for it because they make you pay up front for parts that they order, but alas, not until they're about to give me the keys to the car do they say $280, please. EXCUSE ME?!?!?
    After a lot of bantering they decided to tell me that it was not under warantee, but while of course it is partially my fault for not asking and just assuming, they never made any mention of it either. I call up subaru and they tell me, that it's up to the technician who diagnoses the problem as to whether it's defective part or not, and since it's an outside mirror it must have been hit and not defective. They actually had the gall to tell me that it must have been hit it can't possibly be defective. I asked them about the strut they replaced about 6 months ago, and that one can be defective, but the mirror can not. What kills me is that if I KNEW they weren't going to cover it, I would at least have tightened the four screws myself and not paid them $85 an hour for the priveldge of letting them do it. And I probably could have gotten the part cheaper somewhere else. In my furious state I demanded the old part back when it is painfully obvious that there are no marks on it from where it would have had to get hit to be broken as they claim. Curry subaru in yorktown, ny. KEEP AWAY.
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Not sure of the dealers up there, but you can check out "nabisco's" tri-state from some suggestions. Or maybe there's someone here that knows of another dealer nearby.

    -Dennis
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It might have been hit when you were parked, you never know.

    Maybe your insurance would cover it under their comprehensive policy?

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    um, no offense but I can definitely see how a strut, a moving part of the suspension could fail prematurely on its own and yet a side mirror, a non-moving part, would not likely be hanging there unless struck by something.

    why exactly did you assume this would be under warranty?

    ~colin
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    My Mustang was hit while parked, $800+ in damage paid by insurance.

    My old Datsun's side view mirrors was also knocked off. Someone else parked too close. Luckily that was just a $70 part, one of those ball-and-socket cheapies.

    It happens.

    -juice
  • kenokakenoka Member Posts: 218
    And why would you blame the car for something that the dealership did?
  • nixomosenixomose Member Posts: 95
    Well, at the time when I'm pretty sure it broke it was parked at the end of a row of cars with the mirror side facing a tree, that's pretty much out of the way, but you're right somebody could have it it. Which is why I asked for the part back. It seems to me I'd see a mark of some kind. Which I don't. But thats not even my biggest gripe. It's that I had no indication I'd be liable until long after the labor was done. I am quite capable of screwing on a mirror and don't need to pay somebody $100 to do it.

    The reason I would think it would be under warantee is because in this country, we have something called a b-u-m-p-e-r-t-o-b-u-m-p-e-r warantee that guarantees against loss due to manufacturer defect. If the mirror wasn't hit (which I agree with you is usually likely, but in this case, given the conditions, I find it hard to believe, I'm more inclined to think that since it was about 6 degrees outside that day, some piece of metal snapped, but whatever) and it was genuinely broken, it should be covered.
    I had my mitsubishi (generally accepted to be a lower quality built car than subaru) and never had a problem in 8 years 120K miles. But the strut (and maybe mirror) broke within 2 years?
     Whatever. I'm not a whiner, I'm just pissed about the excessive loss due to a stupid communication problem... and my next rant. read on :-)
    Oh, and for what my insurance costs, it's not worth the rate hike for $300.
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    I agree about not claiming it. but I don't care how you spell it nor how condescendingly you do so, it seems unlikely to me that anything would fail with a mirror breaking off caused by a defect.

    I'm just amazed you could even think that. it is possible, sure. maybe. really, really unlikely though even if you don't find surface damage on the mirror.

    ~c
  • nixomosenixomose Member Posts: 95
    So I'm driving my new-mirror-enabled wrx to work yesterday and I decide that the shimmy in the steering wheel at highway speeds is a little too pronounced, let me go get the front tires balanced.
    So I bring it to the local tire shop and drop it off.
    A few hours later I get a call saying "your front brakes are grinding the rotors you have to replace them."
    I'll spare you the little tiff I had with the mechanic when I explained that I'd be doing the work myself and not paying him some outrageous amount of money for him to do it for me, (he was obviously pissed that I wasn't going to give him the business (perhaps I'll find out he's lying)) and just [non-permissible content removed] about this: THIS CAR HAS ONLY 19000 MILES ON IT. I see that the rotors are wearing funny, I just always assumed the pads were crap. Unlike other cars, you can't see the pads without taking off the tire because the caliper is so big, so I never could see the pads, and I never thought to take the tire off because the car's only got 19K on it.
      Now you're all going to tell me that it's my driving. But alas, no. I have a 99 gti (both cars standard shift) that I drive the same exact semi-enthusiastic way. The gti is 4+ years old and has about 50K on it. And the ORIGINAL pads are showing almost zero wear. ZERO. or very close to it. And the rotors have a perfectly smooth mirror finish to them.
    I know we've been bitching about how the ABS sucks in the wrx, but 19K for a set of brake pads that I almost never use? Absurd. Something is terribly wrong with the brakes on this car.
    Now, this just happened yesterday and my driveway's full of snow, I haven't had a chance to pull the wheel off. It could be the mechanic was lying to me to get me to do the brakes, since we can look at the rotor and see the bad wear (which sorta does look like grinding wear, but I can't be sure) he could easily convince somebody who's not a car enthusiast to replace the pads and rotors.
       I'll do that this weekend and possibly take back the anti-wrx sentiment and instead give you yet another mechanic to avoid.
     Has anybody ever had experience with such useless brake pads on ANY car?
  • nixomosenixomose Member Posts: 95
    I'm not trying to be condescending, I'm just pissed. A lot of tone and body language gets lost in written word. Many wars have started because only 20% of communication is in the words, most of it is in the body language and tone.

    Anyway. I see your point. It does seem absurd to some degree anyway, to claim that it just broke, when there's such a high chance of it being hit.

    I will say that a few days before I was shoveling snow in my driveway and to avoid accidently bumping into the mirror, I pushed it into the tucked position. I *am* allowed to do that right? That's not supposed to void my warantee, is it? So maybe, just maybe I USED the tuck-in feature of the mirror which antagonized a part to break. I haven't taken the old part apart yet to see exactly what went wrong. I'll let you know.
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