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thebean

I was watching the British F1 race yesterday and they showed an old picture of David Hobbs driving a BRM in the 1967 GP. Man, were those old F1 cars clean. None of the unsightly wings and barge boards of today's cars. I miss those old cars. I followed F1 in those days via Road & Track magazine, which had two race recaps in the issues during the season. That's the only news you would normally get for F1. I would love to see race cars go back to the days of no wings or aerodynamic devices. Just put in the safety measures of today on both the cars and on the tracks. Then you would see who the real driver talents are. I guess I'm a proponent of "good ol' days" syndrome.

andres3

oldfarmer50 said:

PF_Flyer said:

Saw an interesting accident on I-80 near the Poconos on Sunday. On a long uphill stretch heading west, apparently someone didn't see the fully loaded new car carrier grinding up the grade in the right lane. I didn't get a pic of it, but the rear end of the brand new SUV in the last spot on the bottom level was caved in well into the rear doors. Might be an interesting insurance equation!

Was just talking to my BIL and he told me his daughter (my niece) was recently rear ended by a garbage truck down in Florida while stopped for a light at the end of the interstate ramp. 2014 Sentra totalled. She banged up pretty good but no broken bones that they can tell.

So what's the deal with garbage trucks. One gets driver100 and another gets my niece. Who the heck are they hiring? That's a CDL position so there must be some training.

More infuriating was that after she called 911 multiple sheriffs and town cops drove right by as she sat in the wreck. Evidently in Florida if an accident happens on the interstate it can only be investigated by the state police who took 45 minutes to get there.

Too busy going after speed limit violators on open un-congested stretches of highway/freeway instead of looking for hazardous driving violations and distractions, or helping out at an accident scene is my guess. 45 minutes! That is deplorable.

28firefighter

Hey all - still here. The meds they have me on are really knocking me out. But it seems I'm on the mend. 

andres3

Speaking of car colors, I'm a big fan of green. I like the Bottle Green on VW; too bad it isn't offered on anything but a Bug as far as I know.

I really like Audi's new Gotland Green for the new A4:

https://www.audiworld.com/forums/a4-b9-platform-discussion-212/gotland-green-metallic-pictures-2900039/

Almost makes me want to buy the car. An S4 in this color with beige interior and a '14 S4 interior would do it. Although the new design is "nice" it is a bit "old man."

ab348

28firefighter said:

Hey all - still here. The meds they have me on are really knocking me out. But it seems I'm on the mend. 

Glad to hear! Was worried. Keep us posted, but getting well is priority #1.

ab348

I noticed yesterday on my tour of dealer lots that Chevy's new Equinox comes in a green metallic as well, that looks a bit more greenish than the Audi color. I like green cars.

Michaell

thebean said:

I was watching the British F1 race yesterday and they showed an old picture of David Hobbs driving a BRM in the 1967 GP. Man, were those old F1 cars clean. None of the unsightly wings and barge boards of today's cars. I miss those old cars. I followed F1 in those days via Road & Track magazine, which had two race recaps in the issues during the season. That's the only news you would normally get for F1. I would love to see race cars go back to the days of no wings or aerodynamic devices. Just put in the safety measures of today on both the cars and on the tracks. Then you would see who the real driver talents are. I guess I'm a proponent of "good ol' days" syndrome.

I watched the race as well, but missed that segment, apparently.

I remember reading the F1 reviews from Rob Walker in R&T back in the 70's. Great stuff.

I've been taking in the F1 races now that my employer is a partner with the MB Petronas team.

stickguy

one thing about Mini. They offer a slew of colors on their cars, and some pretty nice ones too!

andres3

stickguy said:

one thing about Mini. They offer a slew of colors on their cars, and some pretty nice ones too!

Parents like the goldish/beige colors Toyota produces, including the new ES350. Unfortunately for my mother, they don't make that color for the IS350, which is what she wants, mainly due to the ES350 being too big.

pensfan83

andres3 said:

bwia said:

2018 Sonata 2.0 turbo

Ford Fusion front end, Malibu rear end.

For the rear my first thought was the Mitsu Lancer.

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

roadburner said:

dino001 said:

Guys, I have a sad buying story for you. My young coworker, a recent hire of our company's, capable engineer with graduate degree from the best state school in Florida, just bought a Honda CRV. Nice car and all, but the experience he described was just like from those horror story articles of things that we all thought are no longer happening anymore. BTW, he is Chinese by origin, which I'm totally convinced compounded the issue, as I remember similar attitudes toward me, when I was out of school fifteen years ago.

In one place the sales manager tries to threaten him into buy a car (you know classic I'm your elder, do as I say or else attitude), but he walks from there. But it looks that at the place he bought it from, they pulled a big fast one on him, totally deliberately. So they negotiate the price with salesman asserting that the car has one of those "magical" packages, worth 2 grand in it. He never fully describes the package, but assures him it's there. Then the car is in and the magical package is not there. Of course the young man in his inexperience assumes they'd make good on the promise to deliver the magical package (still not fully described). They won't, as suddenly the price as signed no longer included the package. Mind you, we still don't know exact content of the package (some floor mats and other mop and glo, I suspect). He is still trying to get it and the salesman flat out refuses even to describe the package to him. Wow.

Of course, one can say, the young man is at fault, as he doesn't walk at first sign of trouble - and it's true to some degree. But it is blaming the victim. The slime factor is absolutely incredible here. This is one of the reasons why I was so glad I bought Subaru and then BMW, cause such shenanigans don't happen as often there. You can believe what the salesman tells you, or at least that was my experience.

I believe I've mentioned this before, but in 1984 my soon-to-be wife was interested in buying a new Honda Accord coupe. This was during the dark days of the voluntary import quotas so Accords of any flavor were in very short supply. EVERY Honda dealer in Cincinnati tried to play games with us, and the experience left such a bad taste in her mouth that she never looked at a Honda product again.

Remember that time well. Fresh out of college, got my first "REAL" job. Went looking at every Honda dealer in the Cincinnati area (Mike Dever, Jeff Wyler, Mike Albers). There were all the same. MSRP + a dealer pac. Take it or leave it. They lines of people ready to take it.

That said, at the time, it was becoming clear that Hondas and Toyotas surpassed not only the MPG of the day, but also quality and reliability compared to Ford, GM, Chryco. It really was no contest. I ended up with a Pontiac Grand Prix, which was part of GM's newly "shrunk" coupes. It had T-Tops that leaked like a sieve. The paint started flaking after the first year. Trim pieces started falling off like it was raining parts.

The Hondas of the time were getting great MPG with little muss or fuss of warranty work.

The 80s were a horrible time to be a car nut. My two worst cars were an 82' Olds 88 and an 86' Toyota pick up. Both horrible. Both literally fell apart. The Japanese may have beat Detroit for quality but not by much.

Two of my favorite BMWs were of '80s vintage- my 1997 535is and my 1988 M6. My 1985 Turbo Coupe wasn't bad either. By the late '80s there were a lot more decent cars to choose from.

oldfarmer50

28firefighter said:

Hey all - still here. The meds they have me on are really knocking me out. But it seems I'm on the mend. 

Glad to hear that. I guess you're EDMUND's tough.

explorerx4

28FF,
Hope you keep getting better and keep posting.

driver100

bwia said:

ab348 said:

I was cruising a few lots today trying to see of anything jumped out at me. Didn't come across the perfect car unfortunately.
Stopped at the Hyundai dealer and saw a couple of base model Elantra GT models. Based solely on what I saw they were a bit disappointing and didn't do much for me.  Still looking...

Not sure if the 2018 Sonata 2.0 turbo is out yet but it deserves a fresh look. Edit: I'll try to post a pic later. Here it is, clean and elegant interior design.



It is a little neater than the last Sonata rental I had. Part of the charm is the simplicity of the Sonata....this is an even nicer neater look. The exterior has very pleasant styling too, looks like a mini Maybach especially in white with black pano roof. If I remember, it does everything competently, not great handling or fun to drive, but does what it is supposed to do capably at a fair price.

driver100

dino001 said:

Guys, I have a sad buying story for you.

Of course, one can say, the young man is at fault, as he doesn't walk at first sign of trouble - and it's true to some degree. But it is blaming the victim. The slime factor is absolutely incredible here. This is one of the reasons why I was so glad I bought Subaru and then BMW, cause such shenanigans don't happen as often there. You can believe what the salesman tells you, or at least that was my experience.

Dino, I believe there are usually organizations that dealers belong to - it might be worth letting them know this dealer treated someone in an unfair manner. I would also first let the dealer know, these people will write about their experience everywhere they can.....Chinese newspaper for example.

Newcomers should not buy a car or any major purchase without getting some help. Florida can be a jungle for car buying.

laurasdada

I, too, had a couple of winners in the '80s:

84 Mitsu Mirage Turbo
88 Acura Integra

I was on the waiting list for an '84 Mazda 626 Coupe, but it was a long wait list, so I succumbed to the Arrest Me Red Mitsu turbo (MSRP IIRC, no dealer packs/mop n' glo's)! Not a problem with either of my '80s cars.

stickguy

Driver, sounds like my car. It does have a clean, user friendly interior. Tons of features and tech, but simple and user friendly. That picture does look like my car, just tweaked a bit.

driver100

fintail said:

I am waiting to see the I6 that I read about some time ago finally making production. That's the best midsized engine configuration, always so smooth. Not sure about any news on it, however.

I would like the car in "Diamond Silver" (a hint of blue), a color that is always pretty rare. I'd probably have to order a car to get it - that color with a light interior.

I wipe my wheels down at least weekly. But yeah, those might end up damaged on the sometimes Beirut-quality roads here, too, not to mention harming ride quality - I'd definitely be dodging all of the grates and covers that the skilled "engineers" always seem to either raise 3" off the road, sink 6" below the road, and put in the path of wheels.

driver100 said:

I think you will see a lot more 6 cylinder E400s once the 2018s start rolling in which should be soon. I like those wheels, but they look like low profile summer tires. I want all season tires and AWD, so I can't get too fancy.
I wanted Diamond White but the paint wasn't made yet. My second choice would be light silver. I actually cleaned my wheels today....I am glad they don't have all those spokes!

I love my V6, 330 hp E400. I always like more hp, but this one is very satisfying. Comfort is plenty fast but Sport + can really move.

I ordered my 2015 in Diamond Silver. Then one day I saw one that was Diamond Silver and I saw a white one. The DS doesn't do it justice, kind of softens the lines too much. I was able to change to white and it was the last day I could do it before it went to production. My salesperson was very happy I changed it....DS is hard to resell, not too many people order it. I think it sounds good in theory, but just doesn't suit the car.

I almost ordered red for the 2017....I like it on Caddies. I chickened out and got white again, glad I did, I saw a red one and I am glad I didn't order it. Suits a smaller MB.

driver100

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

carnaught said:

ab348 said:

Nice C-Series there, @driver100.

Actually driver's Benz is an E400.

I think ab was giving me a dig.
It's abs way of saying you wasted $20000 getting an E when the C looks the same.

Ya think? 

Ab gets away with it because Caddies all look the same too, but he got an ATS which looks like the higher price CTS. Smart, I can't even get back at him....but, one day I will - when he least expects it.

dino001

driver100 said:

dino001 said:

Guys, I have a sad buying story for you.

Of course, one can say, the young man is at fault, as he doesn't walk at first sign of trouble - and it's true to some degree. But it is blaming the victim. The slime factor is absolutely incredible here. This is one of the reasons why I was so glad I bought Subaru and then BMW, cause such shenanigans don't happen as often there. You can believe what the salesman tells you, or at least that was my experience.

Dino, I believe there are usually organizations that dealers belong to - it might be worth letting them know this dealer treated someone in an unfair manner. I would also first let the dealer know, these people will write about their experience everywhere they can.....Chinese newspaper for example.

Newcomers should not buy a car or any major purchase without getting some help. Florida can be a jungle for car buying.

I told him similar things. He will have one more meeting, but I don't really thing he'll get something out of it, they probably already moved on mentally. One last shot he has is mentioning the survey, but I would not be surprised if they shrugged it off. I told him it was quite brave for him to go and buy a new car couple of weeks into his first job, but whatever, it's done. He admitted to me that he's still learning some things about life, financials as he had been supported by his overseas family while studying, which was until very recently. He's got a lot to learn. He is smart, so I'm quite confident he will. It's just shame he fell into same trap so many young buyers do, when they go to those places and get taken advantage by fast-talking, slimey salespeople. In a big picture, this is a life lesson, not even as expensive as it could have been. I paid mine, he's paying his.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

PF_Flyer said:

Saw an interesting accident on I-80 near the Poconos on Sunday. On a long uphill stretch heading west, apparently someone didn't see the fully loaded new car carrier grinding up the grade in the right lane. I didn't get a pic of it, but the rear end of the brand new SUV in the last spot on the bottom level was caved in well into the rear doors. Might be an interesting insurance equation!

Was just talking to my BIL and he told me his daughter (my niece) was recently rear ended by a garbage truck down in Florida while stopped for a light at the end of the interstate ramp. 2014 Sentra totalled. She banged up pretty good but no broken bones that they can tell.

So what's the deal with garbage trucks. One gets driver100 and another gets my niece. Who the heck are they hiring? That's a CDL position so there must be some training.
.

I was told part of the problem is a lot of these waste pick up and garbage truck guys are paid by the job done. A lot of deliveries and trucks are on pretty heavy schedules - on time delivery or paid for the number of pick ups in a day. They drive faster than they should and take chances. I think it should be looked into. I see trucks driving in the passing lane where they shouldn't be....to try to make up time.

Some companies like Walmart give appointment times for a delivery. If the driver misses his time he will be fined quite heavily, and he may have to wait for hours to deliver his order. Poor innocent people are the victims in these cases. Cell phones are another possibility (esp in Florida where over 50% of the people hold their cell phones and are talking while driving). Police (City police) took about 20 minutes to show up for our accident too. We phoned it in but cop that got there didn't get a call...he just happened to be driving by at the end of his shift....not happy about it either.

driver100

28firefighter said:

Hey all - still here. The meds they have me on are really knocking me out. But it seems I'm on the mend. 

Great news! Keep it going.

cdnpinhead

ab348 said:

I like green cars.

I do too, but one of the earlier caretakers of the real-world trade-in values board always referred to "no-sale" green, almost as bad as a manual transmission.

Those who prefer such things are out there, but we're few. Those who order cars for the dealers go for the lowest common denominator.

driver100

stickguy said:

Driver, sounds like my car. It does have a clean, user friendly interior. Tons of features and tech, but simple and user friendly. That picture does look like my car, just tweaked a bit.

Stick, I found the Sonata I drove to be a pleasure...it was like going back to a simpler time. You got everything you need, without a lot of extras.

I am not sure if the Sonata or what cars still have 5 or 8 buttons for the radio. I have no buttons. So I have to joystick to the right, find wave or something.....select AM, FM, Sirius every time I want to change bands, and then to select another station I have to spin my wheel to the right station. I can have preselects but that just leaves out the wave band step. Before, I pressed a button for AM, FM or satelite, if it wasn't the station I wnted I just press a button....not the spinning the wheel. Some things were better before.....Sonata is good like that!

Sonata doesn't have great driving dynamics, but, it gets the job done well.

houdini1

abacomike said:

fintail said:

As we both know, sit in the cars, and you won't get them confused.

I am seeing more and more W213 E lately, so they are selling, maybe some more favorable lease terms out there.

You have a great color combo, but I think I would want these wheels - a pain to clean no doubt, but they look cool:

driver100 said:

I think ab was giving me a dig.
It's abs way of saying you wasted $20000 getting an E when the C looks the same.

Those are the wheels I had on my CLS400.  They are really sharp!

I like them too. To my eye they look like they would be easy to clean. One swipe on each one. My Lexus has 19 inch wheels with 16 spokes. Similar.

driver100

dino001 said:

driver100 said:

dino001 said:

Guys, I have a sad buying story for you.

Of course, one can say, the young man is at fault, as he doesn't walk at first sign of trouble - and it's true to some degree. But it is blaming the victim. The slime factor is absolutely incredible here. This is one of the reasons why I was so glad I bought Subaru and then BMW, cause such shenanigans don't happen as often there. You can believe what the salesman tells you, or at least that was my experience.

Dino, I believe there are usually organizations that dealers belong to - it might be worth letting them know this dealer treated someone in an unfair manner. I would also first let the dealer know, these people will write about their experience everywhere they can.....Chinese newspaper for example.

Newcomers should not buy a car or any major purchase without getting some help. Florida can be a jungle for car buying.

I told him similar things. He will have one more meeting, but I don't really thing he'll get something out of it, they probably already moved on mentally. One last shot he has is mentioning the survey, but I would not be surprised if they shrugged it off. I told him it was quite brave for him to go and buy a new car couple of weeks into his first job, but whatever, it's done. He admitted to me that he's still learning some things about life, financials as he had been supported by his overseas family while studying, which was until very recently. He's got a lot to learn. He is smart, so I'm quite confident he will. It's just shame he fell into same trap so many young buyers do, when they go to those places and get taken advantage by fast-talking, slimey salespeople. In a big picture, this is a life lesson, not even as expensive as it could have been. I paid mine, he's paying his.

I read a lot about conmen so I could understand a certain family member better. 80% to 90% of people are pretty honest, that is what makes civilization work (in our developed country - I know you have talked about rampant dishonesty in your home country and I know it is a way of life in many countries). You do work you expect you will be paid, company sends supplies, you receive them, then pay your bill. Honest makes civilization work. If we didn't have it we wouldn't be able to leave our house. Then there are the people who have no conscience and will take whatever they can. Being smart doesn't matter - doesn't help. Maybe we all learn this lesson the hard way......one day we come up against the conman and then we double check things and are warning radar gets developed more. It was a fairly expensive lesson, but could have been worse, and hopefully he will learn a very valuable lesson.

I would tell everyone possible, write it up on Yelp, and even contact the manufacturer head office. They might not like their product being handled that way. Be sure to say it will be your last purchase of their brand.

Mr_Shiftright

Stopped by the local COPART today to look at a wrecked Porsche for an appraisal.

GEEZ--if you took a little kid there to view the utter carnage in that yard, they'd never want to drive when they grew up. Burned out hulks, cars smashed beyond recognition, blood spatter, cars torn in half.

I know, we can't judge the fate of humanity by sitting in an ER room, but still, we can never forget to be careful out there.

houdini1

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:

Just got back from vacation at the Outer Banks.
Haven't had time to go through all 500 posts since I left.

Who says there is no room under the hood of modern cars?
This little guy came back 3 other times after being evicted.

I have no idea what is hiding under the cover under my hood !

dino001

I read a lot about conmen so I could understand a certain family member better. 80% to 90% of people are pretty honest, that is what makes civilization work (in our developed country - I know you have talked about rampant dishonesty in your home country and I know it is a way of life in many countries). You do work you expect you will be paid, company sends supplies, you receive them, then pay your bill. Honest makes civilization work. If we didn't have it we wouldn't be able to leave our house. Then there are the people who have no conscience and will take whatever they can. Being smart doesn't matter - doesn't help. Maybe we all learn this lesson the hard way......one day we come up against the conman and then we double check things and are warning radar gets developed more. It was a fairly expensive lesson, but could have been worse, and hopefully he will learn a very valuable lesson.

I would tell everyone possible, write it up on Yelp, and even contact the manufacturer head office. They might not like their product being handled that way. Be sure to say it will be your last purchase of their brand.

Yeah. Dishonesty you mentioned is a fascinating thing. If you just said it to any of my countryman they would be deeply insulted, but it is exactly as I see it. The "small scam" dishonesty is absolutely rampant there and it's fact of life, yet people don't even see it and they certainly don't see it in themselves. I was once watching a great documentary about lying and cheating, done by multiple population and variable controlled statistical studies. The results are shattering on one hand and hopeful on the other: it seems that A LOT of people do small cheating to the point that if you tally up the numbers, the losses are FAR greater than those coming from big cheaters. A lot of people find it easy to excuse their own little conduct, as no big deal, but in the aggregate, it is big deal, bigger than those big cheaters.

Yet, on the same talken, small, sometimes minimal adjustments made to peoples' mindsets done at the beginning of the sessions would dramatically affect the cheating percentages. It was enough to skillfully call on peoples' sense of honor and decency to cut the "small cheating" by huge percentages. It even mattered if such a call was made at the beginning of the session (more effective) than the end (much less effective). Conversely, introduce one "bad apple" (an obvious cheater that publicly gets away with it) to also increase cheating big time, too. Unfortunately, my country falls into the second category, where there are enough big cheaters who obviously get away, so people feel encouraged, or even obliged to cheat, just to feel they are braking even. Which of course makes it all worse.

BTW, economists also placed strong rule of law as a single most important factor in any country's economic well being. Essentially the idea you can enter business with somebody who is not your family/tribe without having to bring your own tribal enforcement with you and having trust that a dispute resolution will be handled impartially. Not to bring too much politics, but our current person in charge of the Country and his record of attitude toward his own signature on the dotted line (not to mention his own spoken words), and the fact that large percentage of people say it does not bother them, or it's fake news, has shaken my optimism. But I just hope this is one-off.

ab348

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

It's abs way of saying you wasted $20000 getting an E when the C looks the same.

Ya think? 

Ab gets away with it because Caddies all look the same too, but he got an ATS which looks like the higher price CTS. Smart, I can't even get back at him....but, one day I will - when he least expects it.

Hey now, be nice. Remember, I'm a sick man...

stickguy

Driver, your rental Sonata was probably a basic SE, so like you said, normal stuff, not a lot of extras. I got all the extras (heated/ventilated seats, BLIS, heated steering wheel, Navi, etc.) A few more buttons, but still simple enough.

But no preset buttons. All that is on the big touch screen (though I do have normal knobs for tuning and volume.

ab348

cdnpinhead said:

Those who prefer such things are out there, but we're few. Those who order cars for the dealers go for the lowest common denominator.

Yesterday on my dealer lot tour I saw exactly ONE new car that did not have a black interior - a new Camry in metallic beige with a tan interior. Every VW, Lexus, Hyundai, Nissan, GM, and Benz on the lots here that I saw had black inside. Sad.

driver100

houdini1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:

Just got back from vacation at the Outer Banks.
Haven't had time to go through all 500 posts since I left.

Who says there is no room under the hood of modern cars?
This little guy came back 3 other times after being evicted.

I have no idea what is hiding under the cover under my hood !

Houdini buddy.....I don't think you have an engine in that thing.
Just a big.....plastic......cover.

driver100

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

It's abs way of saying you wasted $20000 getting an E when the C looks the same.

Ya think? 

Ab gets away with it because Caddies all look the same too, but he got an ATS which looks like the higher price CTS. Smart, I can't even get back at him....but, one day I will - when he least expects it.

Hey now, be nice. Remember, I'm a sick man...


Oh yeh, sorry....I forgot

andres3

laurasdada said:

I, too, had a couple of winners in the '80s:

84 Mitsu Mirage Turbo
88 Acura Integra

I was on the waiting list for an '84 Mazda 626 Coupe, but it was a long wait list, so I succumbed to the Arrest Me Red Mitsu turbo (MSRP IIRC, no dealer packs/mop n' glo's)! Not a problem with either of my '80s cars.

Always like the Integra. I would like to see the new Civic Type R go head to head with the old Acura Type R and see if any improvements have been made (as far as performance) over the decades.

andres3

laurasdada said:

I, too, had a couple of winners in the '80s:

84 Mitsu Mirage Turbo
88 Acura Integra

I was on the waiting list for an '84 Mazda 626 Coupe, but it was a long wait list, so I succumbed to the Arrest Me Red Mitsu turbo (MSRP IIRC, no dealer packs/mop n' glo's)! Not a problem with either of my '80s cars.

Always like the Integra. I would like to see the new Civic Type R go head to head with the old Acura Type R and see if any improvements have been made (as far as performance) over the decades.

driver100

Dino...cheating and/or lying is just a way of life in some countries. I like to think that we are at a higher level than that, and if we try to be honest we will be better off as individuals, and as a nation.

When I went to China our guide said never pay the price you are given. They think it is an insult if you don't try to bargain to a lower price. I don't do well in that environment...I just want to know the best price possible and move on. One guy on the tour kept buying fake Rolex's as gift, they started at $10 or $20 but the most he would pay was $3....he worked hard but he bought about 10 watches....all for $3.

When honesty, integrity, and truthfulness are meaningless, credibility and trust are lost, and it brings all of society down a notch....unfortunately.

oldfarmer50

cdnpinhead said:

ab348 said:

I like green cars.

I do too, but one of the earlier caretakers of the real-world trade-in values board always referred to "no-sale" green, almost as bad as a manual transmission.

Those who prefer such things are out there, but we're few. Those who order cars for the dealers go for the lowest common denominator.

Those old sayings are funny. There was "resale red" and "hang around brown" but I had car that I thought looked good in green. Guess it depends on the shade and the car.

andres3

cdnpinhead said:

ab348 said:

I like green cars.

I do too, but one of the earlier caretakers of the real-world trade-in values board always referred to "no-sale" green, almost as bad as a manual transmission.

Those who prefer such things are out there, but we're few. Those who order cars for the dealers go for the lowest common denominator.

That excuses the 2 brand new 2016 red IS200T's in the Lexus lot collecting dust, but what about the 2 Silver IS200T's from 2016 collecting dust right along side them?

oldfarmer50

houdini1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:

Just got back from vacation at the Outer Banks.
Haven't had time to go through all 500 posts since I left.

Who says there is no room under the hood of modern cars?
This little guy came back 3 other times after being evicted.

I have no idea what is hiding under the cover under my hood !

Why bother putting a hood on that car?

houdini1

LOL, I guess they don't won't just any old mechanic getting his dirty, greasy hands on that engine. (and cheating them out of their rightful due) You probably need a couple of "special tools" just to get the cover off.

andres3

houdini1 said:

LOL, I guess they don't won't just any old mechanic getting his dirty, greasy hands on that engine. (and cheating them out of their rightful due) You probably need a couple of "special tools" just to get the cover off.

If they could figure out a way to change the motor oil without opening the hood, then in a Lexus you wouldn't even need to open the hood in the first 50,000 miles, right?

explorerx4

@oldfarmer50,
I am borrowing your picture.

@Houdini,
How are you supposed to find the possum under there?

Michaell

andres3 said:

houdini1 said:

LOL, I guess they don't won't just any old mechanic getting his dirty, greasy hands on that engine. (and cheating them out of their rightful due) You probably need a couple of "special tools" just to get the cover off.

If they could figure out a way to change the motor oil without opening the hood, then in a Lexus you wouldn't even need to open the hood in the first 50,000 miles, right?

You can get an Alfa 4C where the hood (er, bonnet) is welded shut.

Of course, it's mid-engine...

imidazol97

driver100 said:

Ab gets away with it because Caddies all look the same too, but he got an ATS which looks like the higher price CTS. Smart, I can't even get back at him....but, one day I will - when he least expects it.

I hope I never get on your wrong side. LOL

houdini1

andres3 said:

houdini1 said:

LOL, I guess they don't won't just any old mechanic getting his dirty, greasy hands on that engine. (and cheating them out of their rightful due) You probably need a couple of "special tools" just to get the cover off.

If they could figure out a way to change the motor oil without opening the hood, then in a Lexus you wouldn't even need to open the hood in the first 50,000 miles, right?

Come to think of it, I have owned 3 LS's and the only time I open the hood is to wipe it with a cloth (the way Hillary did with her computer), but the cover is never dirty.

That Audi dealer where I bought it, cleaned it up about the same way I do when I clean our house. Very superficially. I had to work on it for a couple of hours after I got it home, but I enjoyed it !

OK, I have updated my profile to add the new car. It shows up in my profile but not when I post. I changed it and saved the changes but there must be another step. Help.

driver100

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

Ab gets away with it because Caddies all look the same too, but he got an ATS which looks like the higher price CTS. Smart, I can't even get back at him....but, one day I will - when he least expects it.

I hope I never get on your wrong side. LOL

I always get my revenge. ALWAYS!
Remember my neighbor who cut down 6, 40 foot Spruce trees so he could put in his pool? Those trees were a buffer, between our kitchen window and his pool....and I don't particularly want to watch him swimming. I put in 5 trees to get the barrier back.....and it cost me about $10000. Then we tinted our windows so he couldn't see in.....$2000. I didn't talk to him for at least 3 years...not one word to him or his wife.

Well, he had a a big computer job. He didn't complete a major project on time and he got canned. He sold his house and moved to Vancouver Island. The new neighbors are really nice.

Most companies that fired me or didn't treat me well have either gone out of business or aren't doing too well.

I always win! I am the easiest going, mildest person in the world, until someone crosses me.

Don't lose sleep though ab, I still like you, and I know you were only having fun....and that is OK!

driver100

houdini1 said:

andres3 said:

houdini1 said:

LOL, I guess they don't won't just any old mechanic getting his dirty, greasy hands on that engine. (and cheating them out of their rightful due) You probably need a couple of "special tools" just to get the cover off.

If they could figure out a way to change the motor oil without opening the hood, then in a Lexus you wouldn't even need to open the hood in the first 50,000 miles, right?

Come to think of it, I have owned 3 LS's and the only time I open the hood is to wipe it with a cloth (the way Hillary did with her computer), but the cover is never dirty.

That Audi dealer where I bought it, cleaned it up about the same way I do when I clean our house. Very superficially. I had to work on it for a couple of hours after I got it home, but I enjoyed it !

OK, I have updated my profile to add the new car. It shows up in my profile but not when I post. I changed it and saved the changes but there must be another step. Help.

Houdini, how do you add window washer fluid? What about checking the oil? What if you wanted to put a trickle charger on the battery?

driver100

houdini1 said:

andres3 said:

houdini1 said:

LOL, I guess they don't won't just any old mechanic getting his dirty, greasy hands on that engine. (and cheating them out of their rightful due) You probably need a couple of "special tools" just to get the cover off.

If they could figure out a way to change the motor oil without opening the hood, then in a Lexus you wouldn't even need to open the hood in the first 50,000 miles, right?

OK, I have updated my profile to add the new car. It shows up in my profile but not when I post. I changed it and saved the changes but there must be another step. Help.

Go back to change profile page. Check on the far left of the screen....change signature settings. Change it there and then press SAVE.

oldfarmer50

houdini1 said:

andres3 said:

houdini1 said:

LOL, I guess they don't won't just any old mechanic getting his dirty, greasy hands on that engine. (and cheating them out of their rightful due) You probably need a couple of "special tools" just to get the cover off.

If they could figure out a way to change the motor oil without opening the hood, then in a Lexus you wouldn't even need to open the hood in the first 50,000 miles, right?

Come to think of it, I have owned 3 LS's and the only time I open the hood is to wipe it with a cloth (the way Hillary did with her computer), but the cover is never dirty.

That Audi dealer where I bought it, cleaned it up about the same way I do when I clean our house. Very superficially. I had to work on it for a couple of hours after I got it home, but I enjoyed it !

OK, I have updated my profile to add the new car. It shows up in my profile but not when I post. I changed it and saved the changes but there must be another step. Help.

Had the same problem when I added the Chevy and again when I deleated the Lincoln. Darn if I know what I did to make it change.

Or do whatever driver100 said.