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carnaught

I wouldn’t spend $91k for a Caddy. From your review, Mike, it sounds like a worthy competitor to your 740i, but I’d wait for a one or two yr. old one and save much of the depreciation.

abacomike

stickguy said:

that car I bet won't come close to matching the BMW MPG. and at that sticker, I bet the initial depreciation will suck the life right out of your soul. but sounds like a heck of a nice car,that probably sells in tiny numbers.

No.  You are correct.  I am getting 25 mpg combined and 36-37 mpg highway.  But 400 hp compared to 320 hp is probably the reason.

murphydog

Happy Sunday all - maybe our last nice day here is Seattle, so I went to work on the Wife's X3. Washed, claybar, wash again and then applied a cleaner/wax. Car looks good and feels "soft" to the touch. We shall see how long the shine lasts as rainy season is almost here.

driver100

iluvmysephia1 said:

2018 Subaru Impreza sedan

Here's the sedan and latest favorite color I want for my Impreza. It's called Island Blue Pearl.

Iluv....I thought you were sending us a picture of your new car!
What's that Kenny Nolan song? Oh yeh, I like dreaming;
https://youtu.be/wWPxieUYqTo

But really, the car sounds great, the color is magnificent....but, IMPO you shouldn't do it yet, since you are upside down on the Soul.

driver100

Thanks for the review Mike, I enjoy reading reviews written by real people (if you know what I mean...like regular people like you and I).

EDMUNDS REVIEW 3.5 out of 5

U.S, News gives it 4 stars

Car & Driver gives it 4 stars and gives MSRP as $54000. They place it at #9 of 12 competing cars in that class, though they are bias I am told

Some say it comes in at a lower price than the competition. I don't know why the one you drove had such a high price. This is the range U.S. News says, MSRP: $54,095 - $88,295. Apparently there are 3 trim levels with few options...the highest comes with everything.

dino001

abacomike said:

stickguy said:

that car I bet won't come close to matching the BMW MPG. and at that sticker, I bet the initial depreciation will suck the life right out of your soul.

but sounds like a heck of a nice car,that probably sells in tiny numbers.

No.  You are correct.  I am getting 25 mpg combined and 36-37 mpg highway.  But 400 hp compared to 320 hp is probably the reason.

I think it’s also the transmission. BMW’s corporate 8-speed AT is a wonder of efficiency and responsiveness at the same time.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

Are there any private schools in rural NY state?
It would seem a private school would have to be in a fairly heavily populated area.

I don't know how rural it is where I am, I can see two cities from my place. One has Emma Willard School, the other has Albany Academy. Both high end prep schools with $25k tuitions.




A lot of colleges are in much more rural areas...Colgate comes to mind.

abacomike

driver100 said:

Thanks for the review Mike, I enjoy reading reviews written by real people (if you know what I mean...like regular people like you and I). EDMUNDS REVIEW 3.5 out of 5 U.S, News gives it 4 stars Car & Driver gives it 4 stars and gives MSRP as $54000. They place it at #9 of 12 competing cars in that class, though they are bias I am told Some say it comes in at a lower price than the competition. I don't know why the one you drove had such a high price. This is the range U.S. News says, MSRP: $54,095 - $88,295. Apparently there are 3 trim levels with few options...the highest comes with everything.

It was their Platinum model with twin turbos and AWD standard.  The only options were wheels, spoiler and a few minor things.

The standard model nicely equipped was about $62,000, but that’s a 4 cylinder turbo.

abacomike

dino001 said:

stickguy said:

that car I bet won't come close to matching the BMW MPG. and at that sticker, I bet the initial depreciation will suck the life right out of your soul. but sounds like a heck of a nice car,that probably sells in tiny numbers.

No.  You are correct.  I am getting 25 mpg combined and 36-37 mpg highway.  But 400 hp compared to 320 hp is probably the reason.

I think it’s also the transmission. BMW’s corporate 8-speed AT is a wonder of efficiency and responsiveness at the same time.

Could be, Dino.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

that car I bet won't come close to matching the BMW MPG. and at that sticker, I bet the initial depreciation will suck the life right out of your soul.

but sounds like a heck of a nice car,that probably sells in tiny numbers.

Buy it off lease for half with an extended warranty.

isellhondas

abacomike said:

explorerx4 said:

I'm pretty sure Hyundai dwarfs Honda as a company.
In addition to cars, they build ships and lots of trailers I see being towed by semi trucks.
Probably other things, too.

Honda is no slouch of a company, explorer.  Motorcycles, generators, lawn mowers and motor driven lawn care equipment, snowblowers, trucks, cars, to name a few.

Honda is the world's largest producer of internal combustion engines. All built to the same quality level.

isellhondas

fintail said:

This appears to be the most expensive Seattle-area listing

A lot classier than some of the 5-15MM "mcmansion hell"-worthy monstrosities in the area. Those bootstrapping Horatio Alger types have some questionable taste.

If someone is going to keep a new car for 10 years or so, resale might not be a huge issue. I'd probably lean towards Honda too, although I am not a fan of the styling - not a fan of the styling of the competition either. I might go Optima over Sonata,

My cousins grew up on Hunts Point in a nice but modest home. Drove by a few years ago and it's been long torn down and replaced by a Mega Mansion. Can't imagine what it's worth today.

isellhondas

murphydog said:

Happy Sunday all - maybe our last nice day here is Seattle, so I went to work on the Wife's X3. Washed, claybar, wash again and then applied a cleaner/wax. Car looks good and feels "soft" to the touch. We shall see how long the shine lasts as rainy season is almost here.

"The rainy season is almost here" Ya THINK?

Just got back from a glorious five mile hike in the woods! 62 degrees and oh so nice!

fintail

Go back 50+ years, and most of west Bellevue and "the points" were relatively normal houses. Average shy quarter acre lots in decent areas seem to have a land value only exceeding 1MM now - that's without a view and certainly without waterfront. Insanity.

isellhondas said:

My cousins grew up on Hunts Point in a nice but modest home. Drove by a few years ago and it's been long torn down and replaced by a Mega Mansion. Can't imagine what it's worth today.

explorerx4

Honda makes trucks? You can't be referring to a Ridgeline.
I have a couple of Hondas, a generator and my 2nd snowblower. Passed my 20+ year old one onto my son in law.
You didn't mention Honda also makes a jet.
Hyundai builds ships. Those a cubic money.

murphydog

isellhondas said:

murphydog said:

Happy Sunday all - maybe our last nice day here is Seattle, so I went to work on the Wife's X3. Washed, claybar, wash again and then applied a cleaner/wax. Car looks good and feels "soft" to the touch. We shall see how long the shine lasts as rainy season is almost here.

"The rainy season is almost here" Ya THINK?

Just got back from a glorious five mile hike in the woods! 62 degrees and oh so nice!

Today was fabulous no doubt, but looks like the tables turn starting Tuesday with lots of rain on the way. I pushed my luck waiting this long, got lucky it was nice today

explorerx4

Regarding the lease example for the F150, I think that's just what it is, an example provided from the corporate level.
XLT models are the sweet spot for discounts.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

Are there any private schools in rural NY state?
It would seem a private school would have to be in a fairly heavily populated area.

I don't know how rural it is where I am, I can see two cities from my place. One has Emma Willard School, the other has Albany Academy. Both high end prep schools with $25k tuitions.

A lot of colleges are in much more rural areas...Colgate comes to mind.

So, you can see Albany and..........

stickguy

I can't wait to find out what the 2nd city is either. Schenectady? Probably too far to see.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

I can't wait to find out what the 2nd city is either. Schenectady? Probably too far to see.

Actually I have to stand on my roof to see Albany's tallest buildings but I can see Troy from my window.

Maybe you'd rather build your estate on my land instead of in Saratoga. You couldhave my whole place, house included for the price of an inflated home over there.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

Regarding the lease example for the F150, I think that's just what it is, an example provided from the corporate level.
XLT models are the sweet spot for discounts.

In re-reading that ad I noticed it didn't include tax, title etc. tax alone would bump the monthly rate quite a bit. So not quite honest.

qbrozen

driver100 said:

Don't forget, there is interest on the $37000 for 3 years to account for. Your $8000 discount looks like it would come out about the same....but, this particular truck is probably minimal, a.m. radio, manual, GPS is a compass, etc.

Ya lost me. Cap cost is cap cost, no?

abacomike

Hey, OF - talking about the Albany vacinity, back in the 1960’s, I spent a lot of time up in the Albany area.  Used to go skiing in the Catskills and frequented the Shaker Ridge Country Club not far from Albany Airport with a friend of the family.  They lived on Colonial Avenue in a huge house.  

The family i stayed with up there there were members of Shaker Ridge so we had many breakfasts, lunches and dinners at the club.  Those were the good old days!

driver100

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

Don't forget, there is interest on the $37000 for 3 years to account for. Your $8000 discount looks like it would come out about the same....but, this particular truck is probably minimal, a.m. radio, manual, GPS is a compass, etc.

Ya lost me. Cap cost is cap cost, no?

Yes, cap cost is cap cost. What I am saying is that it seems they are leasing the truck at a rate, that doesn't take into account Ford/The dealers cost of borrowing the money for 3 years. Not the buyers obligation...Ford seems to have absorbed that cost if you add up the numbers.

driver100

This Is Why You Should Never Drive Alongside a Truck
Here's what they don't teach you in driver's ed.

FULL ARTICLE

It does make a lot of sense. The main point being;
"Do not (and I can't stress this enough) ride alongside a truck, ever," the driver wrote Reddit. "If the truck loses control or has to change lanes quickly, you're going to get crushed because the truck has nowhere else to go." Cars often get stuck behind other vehicles that don't pass trucks quickly enough, and in the case that the driver has to move suddenly or avoid an accident, the car stuck next to it will be in danger. If you have to pass a truck, do it as fast as possible. The longer you stay beside the truck, the more likely you are to experience problems.

Other reasons are sudden braking and blowouts.

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

Hey, OF - talking about the Albany vacinity, back in the 1960’s, I spent a lot of time up in the Albany area.  Used to go skiing in the Catskills and frequented the Shaker Ridge Country Club not far from Albany Airport with a friend of the family.  They lived on Colonial Avenue in a huge house.  

The family i stayed with up there there were members of Shaker Ridge so we had many breakfasts, lunches and dinners at the club.  Those were the good old days!

Shaker Ridge is still there but the airport area has changed a lot.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

Don't forget, there is interest on the $37000 for 3 years to account for. Your $8000 discount looks like it would come out about the same....but, this particular truck is probably minimal, a.m. radio, manual, GPS is a compass, etc.

Ya lost me. Cap cost is cap cost, no?

Yes, cap cost is cap cost. What I am saying is that it seems they are leasing the truck at a rate, that doesn't take into account Ford/The dealers cost of borrowing the money for 3 years. Not the buyers obligation...Ford seems to have absorbed that cost if you add up the numbers.

This is where the complexity of leases gets me all confused. The monthly rate is dependent on so many variaiables. Cap cost minus residual times money factor add in fees...etc. I was reading that in NY the greedy state wants all the sales tax upfront too.

venture

driver100 said:

This Is Why You Should Never Drive Alongside a Truck
Here's what they don't teach you in driver's ed.

FULL ARTICLE

It does make a lot of sense. The main point being;
"Do not (and I can't stress this enough) ride alongside a truck, ever," the driver wrote Reddit. "If the truck loses control or has to change lanes quickly, you're going to get crushed because the truck has nowhere else to go." Cars often get stuck behind other vehicles that don't pass trucks quickly enough, and in the case that the driver has to move suddenly or avoid an accident, the car stuck next to it will be in danger. If you have to pass a truck, do it as fast as possible. The longer you stay beside the truck, the more likely you are to experience problems.

Other reasons are sudden braking and blowouts.

Exactly right!

My wife has asked a few times why I hang behind a truck if someone is slowly passing it. When they finally get finished passing the truck, then I pass it as quickly as I can.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

This Is Why You Should Never Drive Alongside a Truck
Here's what they don't teach you in driver's ed.

FULL ARTICLE

It does make a lot of sense. The main point being;
"Do not (and I can't stress this enough) ride alongside a truck, ever," the driver wrote Reddit. "If the truck loses control or has to change lanes quickly, you're going to get crushed because the truck has nowhere else to go." Cars often get stuck behind other vehicles that don't pass trucks quickly enough, and in the case that the driver has to move suddenly or avoid an accident, the car stuck next to it will be in danger. If you have to pass a truck, do it as fast as possible. The longer you stay beside the truck, the more likely you are to experience problems.

Other reasons are sudden braking and blowouts.

A bigger problem is when a car gets into the truck's blind spot and stays there. Trucker goes to change lanes and knocks you into the bushes. Way back in driver's Ed the instructor said if you drive next to a truck to never look over at it or you will get "sucked in" to it. You unconsciously drift in the direction you're looking.

venture

One of these was at a traffic signal down the street from my house yesterday. I don't know if it is a new entry to the neighborhood or not, but some of my neighbors spend an awful lot of money on cars for some reason.

houdini1

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

This Is Why You Should Never Drive Alongside a Truck
Here's what they don't teach you in driver's ed.

FULL ARTICLE

It does make a lot of sense. The main point being;
"Do not (and I can't stress this enough) ride alongside a truck, ever," the driver wrote Reddit. "If the truck loses control or has to change lanes quickly, you're going to get crushed because the truck has nowhere else to go." Cars often get stuck behind other vehicles that don't pass trucks quickly enough, and in the case that the driver has to move suddenly or avoid an accident, the car stuck next to it will be in danger. If you have to pass a truck, do it as fast as possible. The longer you stay beside the truck, the more likely you are to experience problems.

Other reasons are sudden braking and blowouts.

A bigger problem is when a car gets into the truck's blind spot and stays there. Trucker goes to change lanes and knocks you into the bushes. Way back in driver's Ed the instructor said if you drive next to a truck to never look over at it or you will get "sucked in" to it. You unconsciously drift in the direction you're looking.

I would expand on that driving tip to try and avoid driving alongside any kind of vehicle as much as you can, and to pass any vehicle as quickly as safely possible. File under common sense.

qbrozen

driver100 said:

driver100 said:

Don't forget, there is interest on the $37000 for 3 years to account for. Your $8000 discount looks like it would come out about the same....but, this particular truck is probably minimal, a.m. radio, manual, GPS is a compass, etc.

Ya lost me. Cap cost is cap cost, no?

Yes, cap cost is cap cost. What I am saying is that it seems they are leasing the truck at a rate, that doesn't take into account Ford/The dealers cost of borrowing the money for 3 years. Not the buyers obligation...Ford seems to have absorbed that cost if you add up the numbers.

Ah. I see.

i just went back and looked again, though, and I'm not seeing a cap cost given, so it is possible the discount is even greater up front and interest still tacked on.

driver100

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

Don't forget, there is interest on the $37000 for 3 years to account for. Your $8000 discount looks like it would come out about the same....but, this particular truck is probably minimal, a.m. radio, manual, GPS is a compass, etc.

Ya lost me. Cap cost is cap cost, no?

Yes, cap cost is cap cost. What I am saying is that it seems they are leasing the truck at a rate, that doesn't take into account Ford/The dealers cost of borrowing the money for 3 years. Not the buyers obligation...Ford seems to have absorbed that cost if you add up the numbers.

QB

Ah. I see.

i just went back and looked again, though, and I'm not seeing a cap cost given, so it is possible the discount is even greater up front and interest still tacked on.

Agreed! At this time of year I have seen discounts on trucks of $10k, $12k and even $15K. Like oldfarmer said, there is a mystery element because they tell you the MSRP, but, not the discounted price. Good way to lure you in though....a $42k truck for $330 a month....sounds too good to be true!

dino001

So, recalling our manual transmission discussion of late, I just saw a commercial for new Honda Civic Type R. I remember, when those were sold in the US as Acuras (Integra or RSX) and I generally liked them, got a little curious how it looks in the new Honda Civic body. It's a bit too much of a kit (kid) car to me, but I can see the appeal. Local dealer has one in his inventory. MSRP $34775, high, but not shocking in today's world of 300 hp compacts. Here is when the fun starts: he has it crossed on his website with "Make an offer", which sounds great, right? Right. Look at his "extra sticker". 3 grand of accessories, 10 grand (!) additional markup and the total still does not add up by $1900 (perhaps there is something above there cropped out of the picture). They want almost 50 thousand dollars for it, which it would be if one adds all the taxes. For a stock Civic! Are there even words for it? It's not even the number, but the lack of restraint and shame that bothers me. I thought those times were over and especially in fairly large and well-stocked markets with decent number of players, like Tampa Bay. Apparently I was wrong and shamelessness and greed have no limits. I feel I should not be surprised, yet I still am.




Full details here:
https://www.brandonhonda.com/vehicle-details/new-2017-honda-civic-type-r-touring-SHHFK8G70HU202628

oldfarmer50

venture said:

One of these was at a traffic signal down the street from my house yesterday. I don't know if it is a new entry to the neighborhood or not, but some of my neighbors spend an awful lot of money on cars for some reason.

What is that, it looks sharp?

snakeweasel

houdini1 said:

This Is Why You Should k8Never Drive Alok9ngside a Truck Here's what they don't teach you in driver's ed. FULL ARTICLE It does make a lot of sense. The main point being; "Do not (and I can't stress this enough) ride alongside a truck, ever," the driver wrote Reddit. "If the truck loses control or has to change lanes quickly, you're going to get crushed because the truck has nowhere else to go." Cars often get stuck behind other vehicles that don't pass trucks quickly enough, and in the case that the driver has to move suddenly or avoid an accident, the car stuck next to it will be in danger. If you have to pass a truck, do it as fast as possible. The longer you stay beside the truck, the more likely you are to experience problems. Other reasons are sudden braking and blowouts.

A bigger problem is when a car gets into the truck's blind spot and stays there. Trucker goes to change lanes and knocks you into the bushes. Way back in driver's Ed the instructor said if you drive next to a truck to never look over at it or you will get "sucked in" to it. You unconsciously drift in the direction you're looking.

I would expand on that driving tip to try and avoid driving alongside any kind of vehicle as much as you can, and to pass any vehicle as quickly as safely possible. File under common sense.

That's something that is taught in the Motorcycle Safety Foundations basic riders course. Many times while employing that tactic I have had cars (mainly modified 4 bangers) think I am trying to race them.

Edited to add:

A week or two ago riding to work I used that advice. I stayed behind a semi truck that was on the next lane until there was enough room in front of me to get past him. This led me to being caught at a red light that I could have made if I kept up with traffic. Since I keep an eye on traffic behind me when I stop I could tell that the driver behind me was visibly upset that I made him get caught by the light. 

hey I'll take the occasional red light over being crushed by a semi. 

oldfarmer50

dino001 said:

So, recalling our manual transmission discussion of late, I just saw a commercial for new Honda Civic Type R. I remember, when those were sold in the US as Acuras (Integra or RSX) and I generally liked them, got a little curious how it looks in the new Honda Civic body. It's a bit too much of a kit (kid) car to me, but I can see the appeal. Local dealer has one in his inventory. MSRP $34775, high, but not shocking in today's world of 300 hp compacts. Here is when the fun starts: he has it crossed on his website with "Make an offer", which sounds great, right? Right. Look at his "extra sticker". 3 grand of accessories, 10 grand (!) additional markup and the total still does not add up by $1900 (perhaps there is something above there cropped out of the picture). They want almost 50 thousand dollars for it, which it would be if one adds all the taxes. For a stock Civic! Are there even words for it? It's not even the number, but the lack of restraint and shame that bothers me. I thought those times were over and especially in fairly large and well-stocked markets with decent number of players, like Tampa Bay. Apparently I was wrong and shamelessness and greed have no limits. I feel I should not be surprised, yet I still am.




Full details here:
https://www.brandonhonda.com/vehicle-details/new-2017-honda-civic-type-r-touring-SHHFK8G70HU202628

Wow! "Market ajustment" $10k? Must be the hottest market in the country. You'd be hard pressed to put together a Mustang or Camaro that cost that much. Must be targeting the young boi racer with more dollars than sense.

I frequently look at Tampa CL for rust free cars and when I see a small dealer with a good price I always wonder if they slam you with $500-1000 in dealer fees on top of that price. Buyer beware.

houdini1

snakeweasel said:

houdini1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

This Is Why You Should k8Never Drive Alongside a Truck
Here's what they don't teach you in driver's ed.

FULL ARTICLE

It does make a lot of sense. The main point being;
"Do not (and I can't stress this enough) ride alongside a truck, ever," the driver wrote Reddit. "If the truck loses control or has to change lanes quickly, you're going to get crushed because the truck has nowhere else to go." Cars often get stuck behind other vehicles that don't pass trucks quickly enough, and in the case that the driver has to move suddenly or avoid an accident, the car stuck next to it will be in danger. If you have to pass a truck, do it as fast as possible. The longer you stay beside the truck, the more likely you are to experience problems.

Other reasons are sudden braking and blowouts.

A bigger problem is when a car gets into the truck's blind spot and stays there. Trucker goes to change lanes and knocks you into the bushes. Way back in driver's Ed the instructor said if you drive next to a truck to never look over at it or you will get "sucked in" to it. You unconsciously drift in the direction you're looking.

I would expand on that driving tip to try and avoid driving alongside any kind of vehicle as much as you can, and to pass any vehicle as quickly as safely possible. File under common sense.

That's something that is taught in the Motorcycle Safety Foundations basic riders course. Many times while employing that tactic I have had cars (mainly modified 4 bangers) think I am trying to race them.

snakeweasel said:

houdini1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

This Is Why You Should k8Never Drive Alongside a Truck
Here's what they don't teach you in driver's ed.

FULL ARTICLE

It does make a lot of sense. The main point being;
"Do not (and I can't stress this enough) ride alongside a truck, ever," the driver wrote Reddit. "If the truck loses control or has to change lanes quickly, you're going to get crushed because the truck has nowhere else to go." Cars often get stuck behind other vehicles that don't pass trucks quickly enough, and in the case that the driver has to move suddenly or avoid an accident, the car stuck next to it will be in danger. If you have to pass a truck, do it as fast as possible. The longer you stay beside the truck, the more likely you are to experience problems.

Other reasons are sudden braking and blowouts.

A bigger problem is when a car gets into the truck's blind spot and stays there. Trucker goes to change lanes and knocks you into the bushes. Way back in driver's Ed the instructor said if you drive next to a truck to never look over at it or you will get "sucked in" to it. You unconsciously drift in the direction you're looking.

I would expand on that driving tip to try and avoid driving alongside any kind of vehicle as much as you can, and to pass any vehicle as quickly as safely possible. File under common sense.

That's something that is taught in the Motorcycle Safety Foundations basic riders course. Many times while employing that tactic I have had cars (mainly modified 4 bangers) think I am trying to race them.

snakeweasel said:

houdini1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

This Is Why You Should k8Never Drive Alongside a Truck
Here's what they don't teach you in driver's ed.

FULL ARTICLE

It does make a lot of sense. The main point being;
"Do not (and I can't stress this enough) ride alongside a truck, ever," the driver wrote Reddit. "If the truck loses control or has to change lanes quickly, you're going to get crushed because the truck has nowhere else to go." Cars often get stuck behind other vehicles that don't pass trucks quickly enough, and in the case that the driver has to move suddenly or avoid an accident, the car stuck next to it will be in danger. If you have to pass a truck, do it as fast as possible. The longer you stay beside the truck, the more likely you are to experience problems.

Other reasons are sudden braking and blowouts.

A bigger problem is when a car gets into the truck's blind spot and stays there. Trucker goes to change lanes and knocks you into the bushes. Way back in driver's Ed the instructor said if you drive next to a truck to never look over at it or you will get "sucked in" to it. You unconsciously drift in the direction you're looking.

I would expand on that driving tip to try and avoid driving alongside any kind of vehicle as much as you can, and to pass any vehicle as quickly as safely possible. File under common sense.

That's something that is taught in the Motorcycle Safety Foundations basic riders course. Many times while employing that tactic I have had cars (mainly modified 4 bangers) think I am trying to race them.

I have noticed that many times when you go to pass someone they will speed up. Human nature I guess.

dino001

oldfarmer50 said:

Wow! "Market ajustment" $10k? Must be the hottest market in the country. You'd be hard pressed to put together a Mustang or Camaro that cost that much. Must be targeting the young boi racer with more dollars than sense.

I frequently look at Tampa CL for rust free cars and when I see a small dealer with a good price I always wonder if they slam you with $500-1000 in dealer fees on top of that price. Buyer beware.

I think it's the new model low supply "greed is good" sticker. It's predatory, but then nobody really "has to" have it, so buyer beware. The way I see it, presence of such stickers at this place, absolves me from any goodwill when the tables are turned and the market isn's so hot anymore. BTW, this dealeship has over $1000 in fees.

venture

oldfarmer50 said:

venture said:

One of these was at a traffic signal down the street from my house yesterday. I don't know if it is a new entry to the neighborhood or not, but some of my neighbors spend an awful lot of money on cars for some reason.

What is that, it looks sharp?

It's the Acura NSX. An older guy and it looked like he was having a little trouble with understanding something. He was staring at the console or dashboard and talking to his wife or girl type friend.

Nice looking car.

28firefighter

Both open houses are done, hopefully for good. We had 51 parties through between both days including several repeat visits from people taking measurements.

We have at least one offer already and expect more before our review deadline on Wednesday.

snakeweasel

houdini1 said:

houdini1 said:lo

This Is Why You Should k8Never Drive Alongside a Truck Here's what they don't teach you in driver's ed. FULL ARTICLE It does make a lot of sense. The main point being; "Do not (and I can't stress this enough) ride alongside a truck, ever," the driver wrote Reddit. "If the truck loses control or has to change lanes quickly, you're going to get crushed because the truck has nowhere else to go." Cars often get stuck behind other vehicles that don't pass trucks quickly enough, and in the case that the driver has to move suddenly or avoid an accident, the car stuck next to it will be in danger. If you have to pass a truck, do it as fast as possible. The longer you stay beside the truck, the more likely you are to experience problems. Other reasons are sudden braking and blowouts.

A bigger problem is when a car gets into the truck's blind spot and stays there. Trucker goes to change lanes and knocks you into the bushes. Way back in driver's Ed the instructor said if you drive next to a truck to never look over at it or you will get "sucked in" to it. You unconsciously drift in the direction you're looking.

I would expand on that driving tip to try and avoid driving alongside any kind of vehicle as much as you can, and to pass any vehicle as quickly as safely possible. File under common sense.

That's something that is taught in the Motorcycle Safety Foundations basic riders course. Many times while employing that tactic I have had cars (mainly modified 4 bangers) think I am trying to race them.

houdini1 said:

This Is Why You Should k8Never Drive Alongside a Truck Here's what they don't teach you in driver's ed. FULL ARTICLE It does make a lot of sense. The main point being; "Do not (and I can't stress this enough) ride alongside a truck, ever," the driver wrote Reddit. "If the truck loses control or has to change lanes quickly, you're going to get crushed because the truck has nowhere else to go." Cars often get stuck behind other vehicles that don't pass trucks quickly enough, and in the case that the driver has to move suddenly or avoid an accident, the car stuck next to it will be in danger. If you have to pass a truck, do it as fast as possible. The longer you stay beside the truck, the more likely you are to experience problems. Other reasons are sudden braking and blowouts.

A bigger problem is when a car gets into the truck's blind spot and stays there. Trucker goes to change lanes and knocks you into the bushes. Way back in driver's Ed the instructor said if you drive next to a truck to never look over at it or you will get "sucked in" to it. You unconsciously drift in the direction you're looking.

I would expand on that driving tip to try and avoid driving alongside any kind of vehicle as much as you can, and to pass any vehicle as quickly as safely possible. File under common sense.

That's something that is taught in the Motorcycle Safety Foundations basic riders course. Many times while employing that tactic I have had cars (mainly modified 4 bangers) think I am trying to race them.

houdini1 said:

This Is Why You Should k8Never Drive Alongside a Truck Here's what they don't teach you in driver's ed. FULL ARTICLE It does make a lot of sense. The main point being; "Do not (and I can't stress this enough) ride alongside a truck, ever," the driver wrote Reddit. "If the truck loses control or has to change lanes quickly, you're going to get crushed because the truck has nowhere else to go." Cars often get stuck behind other vehicles that don't pass trucks quickly enough, and in the case that the driver has to move suddenly or avoid an accident, the car stuck next to it will be in danger. If you have to pass a truck, do it as fast as possible. The longer you stay beside the truck, the more likely you are to experience problems. Other reasons are sudden braking and blowouts.

A bigger problem is when a car gets into the truck's blind spot and stays there. Trucker goes to change lanes and knocks you into the bushes. Way back in driver's Ed the instructor said if you drive next to a truck to never look over at it or you will get "sucked in" to it. You unconsciously drift in the direction you're looking.

I would expand on that driving tip to try and avoid driving alongside any kind of vehicle as much as you can, and to pass any vehicle as quickly as safely possible. File under common sense.

That's something that is taught in the Motorcycle Safety Foundations basic riders course. Many times while employing that tactic I have had cars (mainly modified 4 bangers) think I am trying to race them.

I have noticed that many times when you go to pass someone they will speed up. Human nature I guess.

I think there is a herd mentality where if you are going faster then the person you are passing will subconsciously increase their speed to be part of the herd.

What I experience is staying back and keeping pace with the car then when I have space gunning it to pass and hearing the car floor it. 

I have also noticed it at stop lights. The bike is faster than most cars off the line so even with moderate throttle I'll leave the cars behind me. If I am next to one of those 4 bangers at the light once I settle into my crusing speed many times I'll notice the 4 banger racing up behind me to pass me.

I don't seem to have this problem with cars that are actually fast. 

driver100

dino001 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Wow! "Market ajustment" $10k? Must be the hottest market in the country. You'd be hard pressed to put together a Mustang or Camaro that cost that much. Must be targeting the young boi racer with more dollars than sense.

I frequently look at Tampa CL for rust free cars and when I see a small dealer with a good price I always wonder if they slam you with $500-1000 in dealer fees on top of that price. Buyer beware.

I think it's the new model low supply "greed is good" sticker. It's predatory, but then nobody really "has to" have it, so buyer beware. The way I see it, presence of such stickers at this place, absolves me from any goodwill when the tables are turned and the market isn's so hot anymore. BTW, this dealeship has over $1000 in fees.

We see the ads from this dealer when we are in Florida. Right now there website shows;
Accord$199/mo
WITH $1,499 DOWN
$239/mo
WITH $0 DOWN
Is that possible? A friend went there looking for a Civic at the advertised lease price of $129 a month....the salesman laughed at him and said, we can't lease cars for that price, that is just to get you to come in.

driver100

Another Honda dealer offers this lifetime warranty. Does this sound possible? If you bought a car here...new or used, you could probably drive it forever with no major expenses.

How long is the Lifetime Warranty really good?
The Lifetime Warranty is valid for as long as you own the vehicle--for an unlimited time, unlimited miles.

How much will it cost?
Zero. We're trying to build "Customers for Life" so the Lifetime Warranty comes standard with every qualifying vehicle meeting the criteria above and is included at no extra charge. Please see details below for more information on qualifying vehicles.

Is there any extra maintenance required to maintain the warranty?
No extra maintenance is required. You must simply follow the manufacturer's Recommended Maintenance as referred to in the owner's manual.

DETAILS OF COVERAGE
The components covered will be the exact same as the Factory "Powertrain" Warranty and including: Engine: Cylinder block and head and all internal parts, intake manifold, timing gears and gaskets, timing chain/belt and cover, flywheel, valve covers, oil pan, oil pump, engine mounts, turbocharger housing and all internal parts, supercharger housing and all internal parts, engine control computer, water pump, fuel pump, seals and gaskets. Transmission & Transaxle: Case and all internal parts, torque converter, clutch cover, transmission mounts, transfer case and all internal parts, engine control computer, sales and gaskets, Front Wheel Drive System: Final drive housing and all internal parts, axle shafts, drive shaft, constant velocity joints, front hub and bearings, seals and gaskets. Rear Wheel Drive System: Axle housing & all internal parts, propeller shaft, u-joints, axle shaft, drive shaft, bearings, supports, seals and gaskets.

Valid on any new vehicle purchased from Tampa Honda. Valid on most used vehicles 5 years old or newer and with 50,000 miles or less purchased at Tampa Honda.

dino001

driver100 said:

dino001 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Wow! "Market ajustment" $10k? Must be the hottest market in the country. You'd be hard pressed to put together a Mustang or Camaro that cost that much. Must be targeting the young boi racer with more dollars than sense.

I frequently look at Tampa CL for rust free cars and when I see a small dealer with a good price I always wonder if they slam you with $500-1000 in dealer fees on top of that price. Buyer beware.

I think it's the new model low supply "greed is good" sticker. It's predatory, but then nobody really "has to" have it, so buyer beware. The way I see it, presence of such stickers at this place, absolves me from any goodwill when the tables are turned and the market isn's so hot anymore. BTW, this dealeship has over $1000 in fees.

We see the ads from this dealer when we are in Florida. Right now there website shows;
Accord$199/mo
WITH $1,499 DOWN
$239/mo
WITH $0 DOWN
Is that possible? A friend went there looking for a Civic at the advertised lease price of $129 a month....the salesman laughed at him and said, we can't lease cars for that price, that is just to get you to come in.

So they can be so brazen that they'd admit to wrong advertising. It's just getting better. Unfortunately, the entire Honda dealership network in the region seems to be dominated by those shady players.

driver100

dino001 said:

driver100 said:

dino001 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Wow! "Market ajustment" $10k? Must be the hottest market in the country. You'd be hard pressed to put together a Mustang or Camaro that cost that much. Must be targeting the young boi racer with more dollars than sense.

I frequently look at Tampa CL for rust free cars and when I see a small dealer with a good price I always wonder if they slam you with $500-1000 in dealer fees on top of that price. Buyer beware.

I think it's the new model low supply "greed is good" sticker. It's predatory, but then nobody really "has to" have it, so buyer beware. The way I see it, presence of such stickers at this place, absolves me from any goodwill when the tables are turned and the market isn's so hot anymore. BTW, this dealeship has over $1000 in fees.

We see the ads from this dealer when we are in Florida. Right now there website shows;
Accord$199/mo
WITH $1,499 DOWN
$239/mo
WITH $0 DOWN
Is that possible? A friend went there looking for a Civic at the advertised lease price of $129 a month....the salesman laughed at him and said, we can't lease cars for that price, that is just to get you to come in.

So they can be so brazen that they'd admit to wrong advertising. It's just getting better. Unfortunately, the entire Honda dealership network in the region seems to be dominated by those shady players.

My friend said they went into the office, started adding on extras, and the $129 a month became $260 a month. I thought to myself, but didn't say it....I could have saved you a trip and the aggravation, did you really expect to drive a brand new car for 3 years for about $1400 a year, more than the cost to rent a car for a month in many places?

pensfan83

Most people don't read the disclosure attached to those offers. For example in the emails I now get from my Acura dealer one of their current specials is a 36/10 lease on a TLX A-Spec for $459/month for zero down. That sounds great except it doesn't include 10% PA Sales/Lease tax so that $459 is actually $504. If you need more miles it's higher still. It's all about getting unwitting people into the showroom.

dino001

driver100 said:

dino001 said:

driver100 said:

dino001 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Wow! "Market ajustment" $10k? Must be the hottest market in the country. You'd be hard pressed to put together a Mustang or Camaro that cost that much. Must be targeting the young boi racer with more dollars than sense.

I frequently look at Tampa CL for rust free cars and when I see a small dealer with a good price I always wonder if they slam you with $500-1000 in dealer fees on top of that price. Buyer beware.

I think it's the new model low supply "greed is good" sticker. It's predatory, but then nobody really "has to" have it, so buyer beware. The way I see it, presence of such stickers at this place, absolves me from any goodwill when the tables are turned and the market isn's so hot anymore. BTW, this dealeship has over $1000 in fees.

We see the ads from this dealer when we are in Florida. Right now there website shows;
Accord$199/mo
WITH $1,499 DOWN
$239/mo
WITH $0 DOWN
Is that possible? A friend went there looking for a Civic at the advertised lease price of $129 a month....the salesman laughed at him and said, we can't lease cars for that price, that is just to get you to come in.

So they can be so brazen that they'd admit to wrong advertising. It's just getting better. Unfortunately, the entire Honda dealership network in the region seems to be dominated by those shady players.

My friend said they went into the office, started adding on extras, and the $129 a month became $260 a month. I thought to myself, but didn't say it....I could have saved you a trip and the aggravation, did you really expect to drive a brand new car for 3 years for about $1400 a year, more than the cost to rent a car for a month in many places?

This is probably one thing I can't stand in our local market.

I saw now $179/month for Civic w/ $1500 down for 12k/year, but wait for this:

"Payment does not include a pre-delivery service fee of $995 and Private Tag Agency Fee of $184, which charges represent costs and profits to the dealer for items such as inspecting, cleaning and adjusting vehicles and preparing documents related to the sale. The payment does not include Manufacturer destination fee of $875 for all Honda cars and $940 for CR-V, Odyssey, HR-V, Pilot, and Ridgeline."

So this is essentially ($940+$995+$184)/36 = $59/m extra without even taxes added. Add 7 percent tax, it is $254, just where your friend were with registration, tag paid upfront. I suspect they got $129/m by cutting the mileage to something like 8k/year and/or increasing the downpayment.

Not including manufacturer's destination charge is simple cheating, but at least they disclosed it on the website. If you actually made an effort before you went there, you'd know if the final $260/month is something you like or not. It still may be attractive, but somehow showing $129, or $159 on a shiny ad, when it represents half of the final payment is simply disgusting. To me it only reinforces my aversion to our local Japanese brand dealership monopolies. You feel like taking deep scrub shower every time you leave those places. They all must have their customers in deep contempt to think this kind of conduct is good business.

Edit: just looked at Tampa Honda disclaimer for their $119/m Civic "special". Less transparent (Brandon Honda shows it at same location, for Tampa, you have to go to a separate link. But the result is just the same - mfr. destination charge, funky fees not included, blah, blah, blah. Essentially the same deal, just more down, same effect. I generally ignore those junk screamers, but this time I just wanted to look it up, curious how many bodies are burried there. The bodies just keep piling up, the more you dig. One is better off ignoring this noise completely.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

This Is Why You Should Never Drive Alongside a Truck Here's what they don't teach you in driver's ed. FULL ARTICLE It does make a lot of sense. The main point being; "Do not (and I can't stress this enough) ride alongside a truck, ever," the driver wrote Reddit. "If the truck loses control or has to change lanes quickly, you're going to get crushed because the truck has nowhere else to go." Cars often get stuck behind other vehicles that don't pass trucks quickly enough, and in the case that the driver has to move suddenly or avoid an accident, the car stuck next to it will be in danger. If you have to pass a truck, do it as fast as possible. The longer you stay beside the truck, the more likely you are to experience problems. Other reasons are sudden braking and blowouts.

Thanks for the article @driver100, I have harped about this to friends and family members for years. Fortunately, they have listened. Although he has heard this already from his father and me, I'm passing it onto my 15 year old grandson. More enforcement never hurts with info like this, he'll need it more than ever come February. 

jmonroe

dino001

Having some trouble with my latest post. After I hit "edit" button, they still showed up as "quoted" and repeated. Had to void a couple, to clean up noise.