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jmonroe

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

isellhondas said:

oldfarmer50 said:

isellhondas said:

houdini1 said:

To my eye the 2018 Sonata beats the 2018 Accord and the 2018 Camry in the styling and looks dept. Primarily due to the front end (grill, etc.) looks.

Looks are so subjective. In ten years the Sonata will be worth a whole lot less then the Accord or Camry if that's important. I'll say Hyundai has come a LONG, LONG way!

I agree. If I was going to keep a car for 10 years I'd buy a Honda new. If I was doing the same on a 3 year old used car I'd take the Hyundai.

I would probably do the same thing. A three year old Sonata is a lot of car for the money.

Why was your post “flagged” isell?  I don’t see anything wrong with what you said/wrote!  

Someone who hates Sonata's?

I would say it's just the opposite. I think it came from someone who likes Sonatas (Hyundai in general) and is tired of hearing, "they are good cars, BUT..."

Don't look at me. I don't like Hyundai per se, I just like their warranty.

jmonroe

jmonroe

explorerx4 said:

Hearing ominous sounds from down the street, the first house on the street is getting a new roof.

That reminds me, I should get a new roof. The one I have is about 20 years old.

This is probably the best time of the year to do it around here. Not too much rain and it's a lot cooler so the roofers won't be in such a hurry to get the job done so they can get out of the heat compared to doing it in the Summer.

jmonroe

tbirdmarco

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm31R6BqOL8

stickguy

Hey, I didn't flag a post. I like Hyundais, but not that much!

house 3 doors down from me got a roof this week. Got to listen to the nail guns for 2 days while I was working. amazing how fast a crew can do a roof now.

fordfool

driver100 said:

My guess, Hyundai knows their segment of the market is very competitive, some people don't trust the Hyundai name as much as some others (Toy and Hon), so they are giving some reassurance to buyers who may switch, if they have this extra assurance.

When the Hyundai was introduced they had terrible reliability so Hyundai was forced into
a reassuring ten year warranty. So that would be my guess too for the extended warranty.

And why choose a name so easily confused with Honda?

fordfool

stickguy said:

I wish someone would knock on my door asking to buy the house at top dollar. I would be packed in a week. The wife, well, longer than that I guess. Plus save on realtor costs.

Realtors in the East ask for a 7% commission which seems excessive to me.

stickguy

6% I thought was still standard, and these days, way too much. $24,000 commission on a 400K house is a bit excessive for what they usually do.

fordfool

abacomike said:

isellhondas said:

oldfarmer50 said:

isellhondas said:

houdini1 said:

To my eye the 2018 Sonata beats the 2018 Accord and the 2018 Camry in the styling and looks dept. Primarily due to the front end (grill, etc.) looks.

Looks are so subjective. In ten years the Sonata will be worth a whole lot less then the Accord or Camry if that's important. I'll say Hyundai has come a LONG, LONG way!

I agree. If I was going to keep a car for 10 years I'd buy a Honda new. If I was doing the same on a 3 year old used car I'd take the Hyundai.

I would probably do the same thing. A three year old Sonata is a lot of car for the money.

Why was your post “flagged” isell?  I don’t see anything wrong with what you said/wrote!  

Perhaps someone thought keeping a car for ten years is blasphemy!

Mr_Shiftright

isellhondas said:

28firefighter said:

Some story @jmonroe. No way I would have taken a gamble like that. 

We’ve had 8 showings today in the first 24 hours of being on the market.  Already a hot home on Redfin. 

Unreal. 

People walk around our neighborhood knocking on doors offering more than our houses are worth! It is just CRAZY! I guess our house could be bought if enough money was offered.

There IS some joke about an attempt to bribe the Pope, which I wont' get into, but the punch line is "HOW much did you say?"

ab348

Home preventative maintenance is on my mind too. Last Friday I had a knock at my back door from my 92 y-o neighbor, in a state of panic. Her basement was flooded after her electric hot water heater let go. While I was there with a couple of other neighbors helping her out, the plumber arrived to remove the faulty one and install a new one. She said it was only 7 years old - unfortunately the warranty was 6 years (another plumber had installed it). That got me to thinking that my electric hot water heater is 11 years old and that perhaps it might be on borrowed time. Seeing the damage done to her finished basement, I was thinking a preventative replacement might be in order.

dino001

Mr_Shiftright said:

isellhondas said:

28firefighter said:

Some story @jmonroe. No way I would have taken a gamble like that. 

We’ve had 8 showings today in the first 24 hours of being on the market.  Already a hot home on Redfin. 

Unreal. 

People walk around our neighborhood knocking on doors offering more than our houses are worth! It is just CRAZY! I guess our house could be bought if enough money was offered.

There IS some joke about an attempt to bribe the Pope, which I wont' get into, but the punch line is "HOW much did you say?"

I heard another one with a different punch line. After unsuccessful attempt to change the prayer to give us daily bread and Coke, the bitter and resigned execs ask, how much exactly the bakers paid.

explorerx4

Less than a year ago, one of our ex neighbors stopped at the bus stop at the end of the street and said they were putting their house on the market.
That night they got a call from someone who wanted to look at it and after they did, made an offer on the spot that was accepted. No realtor involved.
There is a group of people that want to live in our neighborhood. They work locally, have good vocations and have money.

nyccarguy

ab348 said:

Home preventative maintenance is on my mind too. Last Friday I had a knock at my back door from my 92 y-o neighbor, in a state of panic. Her basement was flooded after her electric hot water heater let go. While I was there with a couple of other neighbors helping her out, the plumber arrived to remove the faulty one and install a new one. She said it was only 7 years old - unfortunately the warranty was 6 years (another plumber had installed it). That got me to thinking that my electric hot water heater is 11 years old and that perhaps it might be on borrowed time. Seeing the damage done to her finished basement, I was thinking a preventative replacement might be in order.

I would replace that NOW if not sooner.  Make sure the plumber installs a "FLOODSTOP" so if it does blow, the water doesn't keep gushing out.  

explorerx4

@nyccarguy,
When I read ab348's post, I thought you would be the perfect one to reply.
Sorry I didn't notice it right away, I'm too busy watching the Yankees game.

nyccarguy

explorerx4 said:

@nyccarguy, When I read ab348's post, I thought you would be the perfect one to reply. Sorry I didn't notice it right away, I'm too busy watching the Yankees game.

GO YANKEES!

tjc78

stickguy said:

6% I thought was still standard, and these days, way too much. $24,000 commission on a 400K house is a bit excessive for what they usually do.

My mom’s realtor did almost nothing during the “showing” process.  She did help in the beginning getting the house staged and at the end getting some needed repairs setup with some contractors she has worked with before.  Today with “realtor.com” most of the time people are telling the realtor what properties they want to see.  

stickguy

I spend a lot of time looking online. Pretty much all I need from the realtor is to open the lockbox and let me in (or bring someone to my house), and fill out some paperwork.

driver100

stickguy said:

Hey, I didn't flag a post. I like Hyundais, but not that much!

house 3 doors down from me got a roof this week. Got to listen to the nail guns for 2 days while I was working. amazing how fast a crew can do a roof now.

Hope you don't get any flat tires! Nothing worse than roofing nails for flats....big head flips the point upright into the tire. Most roofers are pretty sloppy, nails all over the place.

driver100

fordfool said:

driver100 said:

My guess, Hyundai knows their segment of the market is very competitive, some people don't trust the Hyundai name as much as some others (Toy and Hon), so they are giving some reassurance to buyers who may switch, if they have this extra assurance.

When the Hyundai was introduced they had terrible reliability so Hyundai was forced into
a reassuring ten year warranty. So that would be my guess too for the extended warranty.

And why choose a name so easily confused with Honda?

And they both have a big "H" symbol on the trunk, I get them confused all the time.

stickguy

oh those nails are the worst. Have picked one up a few times.

explorerx4

I'm pretty sure Hyundai dwarfs Honda as a company.
In addition to cars, they build ships and lots of trailers I see being towed by semi trucks.
Probably other things, too.

stickguy

big conglomerate in Korea. I think they are a steel company also.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

fordfool said:

driver100 said:

My guess, Hyundai knows their segment of the market is very competitive, some people don't trust the Hyundai name as much as some others (Toy and Hon), so they are giving some reassurance to buyers who may switch, if they have this extra assurance.

When the Hyundai was introduced they had terrible reliability so Hyundai was forced into
a reassuring ten year warranty. So that would be my guess too for the extended warranty.

And why choose a name so easily confused with Honda?

And they both have a big "H" symbol on the trunk, I get them confused all the time.

You better hurry up and get the hell out of bed so you can delete this post before @isellhondas sees it.

jmonroe

Michaell

I've got a real life example of resale value.

In the fall of 2002, I was looking for a mid-sized sedan with a V6 and leather interior. I looked at both the Camry and the Accord before deciding on a 2003 Saturn L300, to which I had a custom leather interior added.

Why? The Saturn was less expensive, by a few thousand dollars, and GM was offering 0% financing at the time.

The Saturn was so-so on reliability - I had to replace the ECU a couple of times, and I also had to replace the rotors and calipers at a cost of over $1000. Fast forward 7 years, when I was ready to trade it in. The car had about 95,000 miles on it, and I got $3000 in trade for it.

How much would a 7 year old Camry or Accord have gotten in trade with that mileage? Certainly more than the $3K the Saturn fetched. And, I likely would have had a more reliable ownership experience - though I've heard that the automatic transmission in the Accord was a bit suspect.

Still, in the end, I think I saved money with the Saturn, given the 0% financing.

jmonroe

stickguy said:

6% I thought was still standard, and these days, way too much. $24,000 commission on a 400K house is a bit excessive for what they usually do.

In the Burgh area it is 7%, at least it was, about 4 years ago when Son #1 was selling his first house. He didn't like that deal so he listed it himself through a site that charged a nominal fee to do that. He put a professionally made sign in the yard too. He got a few nibbles but no offers to buy.

A realtor was driving by his place with an out of town couple that was on a house hunting trip. The couple wanted to see his house but the realtor made up some excuse about it since it wasn't on the local multi-list system. The couple still wanted to look at the house the next day and she was afraid she'd lose out on a possible sale if she continued to play her game. So, she called my Son and told him about this couple. My Son told her he wasn't going to pay her 7% but he would pay her 3% if she sold it. She made it perfectly clear she would not work for 3%.

Just like in car buying, they negotiated a deal that gave her a commission of 4.5% and she sold the house. He reasoned that she wanted to show it before they knocked on the door themselves so that is why he thought he could get away with a 3% commission. In a way he kicked himself for giving her 4.5% for such an easy quick sale but he wasn't getting anywhere the way he was trying to do it. The only way he recouped some of the commission cost was to hold out for a higher price than he first thought he'd get. He didn't get all of what he wanted but enough that he was satisfied.

FWIW, as I'm sure everyone in here knows, the name of the real estate game is not sales it's listings.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

Home preventative maintenance is on my mind too. Last Friday I had a knock at my back door from my 92 y-o neighbor, in a state of panic. Her basement was flooded after her electric hot water heater let go. While I was there with a couple of other neighbors helping her out, the plumber arrived to remove the faulty one and install a new one. She said it was only 7 years old - unfortunately the warranty was 6 years (another plumber had installed it). That got me to thinking that my electric hot water heater is 11 years old and that perhaps it might be on borrowed time. Seeing the damage done to her finished basement, I was thinking a preventative replacement might be in order.

My water heater let go on New Year's morning. Needless to say the one plumber who would come out to fix it that day is my new go to guy.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

Hey, I didn't flag a post. I like Hyundais, but not that much!

house 3 doors down from me got a roof this week. Got to listen to the nail guns for 2 days while I was working. amazing how fast a crew can do a roof now.

Hope you don't get any flat tires! Nothing worse than roofing nails for flats....big head flips the point upright into the tire. Most roofers are pretty sloppy, nails all over the place.

Most decent roofers will drag a big magnet around the site to pick up stray nails. but they never get them all.

imidazol97

It's not the nails in the yard that are likely to get in the car tires. It's the nails from the shingles that are in the trailer into which they dump everything off the roof. The nails that are loose fall out through the cracks and other openings onto the road as the trailer is pulled down the street.

We drive a route that goes to the county site where bulk dumping is accepted and there are a lot of roofer trailers heading to that location. So far I got a small trim type nail in one rear tire. Slow leak before I found it. I'm sure I got it on I75 or the access street past the county "incinerator" location.

snakeweasel

isellhondas said:

isellhondas said:lo

To my eye the 2018 Sonata beats the 2018 Accord and the 2018 Camry in the styling and looks dept. Primarily due to the front end (grill, etc.) looks.

Looks are so subjective. In ten years the Sonata will be worth a whole lot less then the Accord or Camry if that's important. I'll say Hyundai has come a LONG, LONG way!

Yes in 10 years the Sonata will be worth a lot less than an Accord or a Camry but let's be honest brand new the Accord and the Camry cost a lot more. 

It doesn't make sense to buy a Camry over a Sonata simply because it will be worth a few thousand more in ten years if your paying 3 to 4 grand more for the Camry now. 

Actually the difference in price has really narrowed in recent years.

Well you better tell that to the dealership here as they have the Sonatas thousands less than either the Accords or Camrys. I can save a good 3 grand or more by getting the Sonata over the Accord. 

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

Life's too short and vacations are too important to me to mess with Priceline and their ilk to save a few bucks.  I always book with the hotel website itself and get all applicable discounts, like senior discount, and then I can change/cancel with no hassle.  I worked hard and saved for 40 years and I'm going to enjoy my money as long as it lasts.

Well, this isn't a "vacation" Just a place to sleep while I enjoy the Buttonwillow Speedway Raceway Track for a 2-day weekend of nothing but high speed. I went cheap so I could afford more racing fuel.

Well a tent and a campsite at a local campground is really cheap.

Seriously though in my younger more single days I would do that on vacations or cross country trips. Just throw a tent and sleeping bag in the car and campout at a KOA or the like for a few bucks. 

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

Generally speaking, trying to influence people with gifts only got me business relationships with people who wanted more “gifts”. Did it work? Yeah! But, it worked with people I didn’t like doing business with. However, overall my salary rose 20%-30% for each move to another company over what I would have made sticking with whatever company I happened to be working for at the time. One friend of mine said my resume could easily be a novella as a result, though!

Now days HR people think it is a liability if you stay with one employer for too long - you aren't adventurous, you are prone to getting stale. Changing jobs is the new way to climb the ladder. 

Sometimes it's the only way to climb the ladder. I had a couple of jobs where the way up the ladder was blocked by someone who was at the top or near the top

snakeweasel

fordfool said:

My guess, Hyundai knows their lsegment of the market is very competitive, some people don't trust the Hyundai name as much as some others (Toy and Hon), so they are giving some reassurance to buyers who may switch, if they have this extra assurance.

When the Hyundai was introduced they had terrible reliability so Hyundai was forced into a reassuring ten year warranty. So that would be my guess too for the extended warranty. And why choose a name so easily confused with Honda?

Well they choose the name because it's the name of their parent company. Hyundai started out as a construction company about the same time as Honda started out. they are still in the construction business as well as several other industries. 

snakeweasel

Mr_Shiftright said:

Some story @jmonroe. No way I would have taken a gamble like that. 

We’ve had 8 showings today in the first 24 hours of being on the market.  Already a hot home on Redfin. 

Unreal. 

People walk around our neighborhood knocking on doors offering more than our houses are worth! It is just CRAZY! I guess our house could be bought if enough money was offered.

There IS some joke about an attempt to bribe the Pope, which I wont' get into, but the punch line is "HOW much did you say?"

Well the Catholic church did used to sell indulgences.

sda

ab348 said:

Home preventative maintenance is on my mind too. Last Friday I had a knock at my back door from my 92 y-o neighbor, in a state of panic. Her basement was flooded after her electric hot water heater let go. While I was there with a couple of other neighbors helping her out, the plumber arrived to remove the faulty one and install a new one. She said it was only 7 years old - unfortunately the warranty was 6 years (another plumber had installed it). That got me to thinking that my electric hot water heater is 11 years old and that perhaps it might be on borrowed time. Seeing the damage done to her finished basement, I was thinking a preventative replacement might be in order.

We built our house and moved in 6/04. Even though the water heater was working fine, and is located in the garage, we were proactive and replaced it about a year ago. Next on the list is the hvac system. I'm not looking forward to that expense.

snakeweasel

nyccarguy said:

explorerx4 said:

@nyccarguy, When I read ab348's post, I thought you would be the perfect one to reply. Sorry I didn't notice it right away, I'm too busy watching the Yankees game.

GO YANKEES!

You do know that the Astros and the Yankees are just fighting it out to see who loses to the Cubs. 

snakeweasel

stickguy said:

I spend a lot of time looking online. Pretty much all I need from the realtor is to open the lockbox and let me in (or bring someone to my house), and fill out some paperwork.

So do I but I look at houses that I will never be able to afford. Did you know that in Chicago there is a 50 million dollar house for sale?

abacomike

snakeweasel said:

stickguy said:

I spend a lot of time looking online. Pretty much all I need from the realtor is to open the lockbox and let me in (or bring someone to my house), and fill out some paperwork.

So do I but I look at houses that I will never be able to afford. Did you know that in Chicago there is a 50 million dollar house for sale?

I’ll let it go for $48 million CASH! 

ab348

Hmmm. This is the most expensive one I can find here, a mere pittance by comparison. And only a 2-car garage!

https://www.point2homes.com/CA/Home-For-Sale/NS/Halifax/South-End-Halifax/6400-Oakland-Rd/37735583.html

abacomike

explorerx4 said:

I'm pretty sure Hyundai dwarfs Honda as a company. In addition to cars, they build ships and lots of trailers I see being towed by semi trucks. Probably other things, too.

Honda is no slouch of a company, explorer.  Motorcycles, generators, lawn mowers and motor driven lawn care equipment, snowblowers, trucks, cars, to name a few.

snakeweasel

ab348 said:

Hmmm. This is the most expensive one I can find here, a mere pittance by comparison. And only a 2-car garage! https://www.point2homes.com/CA/Home-For-Sale/NS/Halifax/South-End-Halifax/6400-Oakland-Rd/37735583.html

Here is the one I was talking about. 

https://jamesonsir.com/wovaxproperty/1932-n-burling-street/

Annual taxes are 280K. 

driver100

Michaell said:

I've got a real life example of resale value.

In the fall of 2002, I was looking for a mid-sized sedan with a V6 and leather interior. I looked at both the Camry and the Accord before deciding on a 2003 Saturn L300, to which I had a custom leather interior added.

Still, in the end, I think I saved money with the Saturn, given the 0% financing.

So, you are telling us you chose a loser. Camry and Honda still thriving, Saturn, not so much.........

snakeweasel

abacomike said:lo

explorerx4 said:

I'm pretty sure Hyundai dwarfs Honda as a company. In addition to cars, they build ships and lots of trailers I see being towed by semi trucks. Probably other things, too.

Honda is no slouch of a company, explorer.  Motorcycles, generators, lawn mowers and motor driven lawn care equipment, snowblowers, trucks, cars, to name a few.

I do believe they are the largest manufacturer of motorcycles. I am really liking mine. 

driver100

snakeweasel said:

stickguy said:

I spend a lot of time looking online. Pretty much all I need from the realtor is to open the lockbox and let me in (or bring someone to my house), and fill out some paperwork.

So do I but I look at houses that I will never be able to afford. Did you know that in Chicago there is a 50 million dollar house for sale?

This one in Toronto is only $35 million....it is for pikers!

driver100

snakeweasel said:

ab348 said:

Hmmm. This is the most expensive one I can find here, a mere pittance by comparison. And only a 2-car garage!

https://www.point2homes.com/CA/Home-For-Sale/NS/Halifax/South-End-Halifax/6400-Oakland-Rd/37735583.html

Here is the one I was talking about. 

https://jamesonsir.com/wovaxproperty/1932-n-burling-street/

Annual taxes are 280K. 

Geez, I wouldn't want to have to do the vacuuming!

graphicguy

driver100 said:

graphicguy said:

Generally speaking, trying to influence people with gifts only got me business relationships with people who wanted more “gifts”. Did it work? Yeah! But, it worked with people I didn’t like doing business with.

However, overall my salary rose 20%-30% for each move to another company over what I would have made sticking with whatever company I happened to be working for at the time.

One friend of mine said my resume could easily be a novella as a result, though!

Now days HR people think it is a liability if you stay with one employer for too long - you aren't adventurous, you are prone to getting stale. Changing jobs is the new way to climb the ladder.

Offering a bribe, kind of says you are susceptible to a bribe too. It also means you don't think enough of the hiring person....you think they can be influenced by a bribe,

I once had to deal with a department store buyer who always liked to be taken out to fancy restaurants. Once she picked one that had valet service .......... very expensive. One day she got canned....a towel salesman complained when she gave him an order for expensive samples she wanted, in order to get his product into the stores. That was against company policy, as it should be.

Driver....points well taken. I know folks who are still at my old “copier company” (they prefer the term “document management” company these days). I never divulge my current compensation. But, they sometimes tell me “if you had stuck around, you’d be making $xxx,xxxx by now). I smile and nod, knowing their figure is well below what I currently make.

So, there’s truth to the belief if you move around a bit, you give yourself bigger raises.

I haven’t sent “thank you” gifts for a long, long time. Even when signing a big deal, I’d send the principals of the deals Monte Blanc pens. I don’t even do that anymore.

That said, I’ve been offered “bribes” to join companies. They call them signing bonuses.

The reason this has come to the forefront, for me at least, I’m being pursued by another company in the tech field to take over Americas Biz Dev and Marketing. We’re doing the “dance” right now, having some conversations about duties and responsibilities and touching just a little on compensation. They didn’t run away laughing hysterically when I told them what I would expect, so we’ll see where this goes.

I know many here have been in the job market recently. Following all of you and your experiences have proven valuable information as I re-connect in the current market.

Q....for what it’s worth, I don’t think recruiters are all that valuable any more. It’s relatively easy to find someone on line via the WEB.

All of the recruiters I used to know are now doing other things as their business dried up with LinkedIn and WEB sites of that ilk marking it a lot easier to find qualified people.

The good news, the job market is tight right now. So, I expect you to be able to find something relatively quickly, Q!

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:

Home preventative maintenance is on my mind too. Last Friday I had a knock at my back door from my 92 y-o neighbor, in a state of panic. Her basement was flooded after her electric hot water heater let go. While I was there with a couple of other neighbors helping her out, the plumber arrived to remove the faulty one and install a new one. She said it was only 7 years old - unfortunately the warranty was 6 years (another plumber had installed it). That got me to thinking that my electric hot water heater is 11 years old and that perhaps it might be on borrowed time. Seeing the damage done to her finished basement, I was thinking a preventative replacement might be in order.

My water heater let go on New Year's morning. Needless to say the one plumber who would come out to fix it that day is my new go to guy.

New Years morning huh? I'll bet that guys head was pounding but I wouldn't give him too much credit. He probably wanted to get some money to help pay for some Christmas gifts or at least the batteries for them.

jmonroe

graphicguy

I’ve always been pleasantly surprised with the resale value of all of the Hondas and Acuras I’ve owned.

Not sure how that equates with lower purchase prices of other brands, however. If you pay a couple thousand less for a Sonata than you would for an Accord, will that make up for the lower resale value of the Hyundai? Again, don’t know!

jmonroe

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

stickguy said:

I spend a lot of time looking online. Pretty much all I need from the realtor is to open the lockbox and let me in (or bring someone to my house), and fill out some paperwork.

So do I but I look at houses that I will never be able to afford. Did you know that in Chicago there is a 50 million dollar house for sale?

This one in Toronto is only $35 million....it is for pikers!



I'll let that go for $34.5M worth of hockey cards.

jmonroe

ab348

driver100 said:

This one in Toronto is only $35 million....it is for pikers!

That's in worthless Canadian dollars, it's a real bargain at only $28 million USD.

The guy who owns it (shown in the article below) looks too young to have such a place. And where do you go from there? Hard to move up, but could you be happy downsizing?

https://www.thestar.com/business/real_estate/2017/08/30/inside-the-most-expensive-home-on-the-toronto-market.html

isellhondas

snakeweasel said:

isellhondas said:

snakeweasel said:

isellhondas said:lo

houdini1 said:

To my eye the 2018 Sonata beats the 2018 Accord and the 2018 Camry in the styling and looks dept. Primarily due to the front end (grill, etc.) looks.

Looks are so subjective. In ten years the Sonata will be worth a whole lot less then the Accord or Camry if that's important. I'll say Hyundai has come a LONG, LONG way!

Yes in 10 years the Sonata will be worth a lot less than an Accord or a Camry but let's be honest brand new the Accord and the Camry cost a lot more. 

It doesn't make sense to buy a Camry over a Sonata simply because it will be worth a few thousand more in ten years if your paying 3 to 4 grand more for the Camry now. 

Actually the difference in price has really narrowed in recent years.

Well you better tell that to the dealership here as they have the Sonatas thousands less than either the Accords or Camrys. I can save a good 3 grand or more by getting the Sonata over the Accord. 

Well, assuming you can save three grand buying a Sonata and then losing that three grand (or more) later down the road, I guess it becomes a choice of buying the car that appeals the most to you.

Although I REALLY like the new Sonatas I would still be biased toward the Accord. But, that's me!