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jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe said:

28firefighter said:

jmonroe said:

28firefighter said:

Sorry for being so MIA folks. We were getting the current house prepped for sale and going through the inspection process for the new house. So far, so good.

Our home gets listed today - I'm slightly terrified that we will be the only house in Seattle that gets no interest and no offers...

Don't worry. If it is a nice house and is priced right, it will sell for what you want.

Some day I'll have to tell you about the house I sold in SC after living in it for only 5 years. Nobody would believe it. Even I can't believe it and I was involved.

It's a pretty lengthy tale.

Good luck.

jmonroe

We have only been in our house for 3.5 years. But we've amassed enough equity (in theory) to net us about a 40% gain on our original investment.

I know everyone here loves your stories, @jmonroe, so don't hold back on us!

OK, I think @driver100 is in bed now.

This is what happens when you guys don't discourage my story telling.

As I said I sold my house in SC after living in it for only 5 years and I made a nice profit (about 25%). This was due to an unbelievable early retirement package that I was offered at the end of 1996. Anyway, it was now time to put our house on the market but there was a catch. I didn't want to close on my house before I turned 55 at the end of July 1997 because I did not want to pay capital gains tax on the sale of the house (that was the law back then). Just for your info, the law was changed in early August of 1997 and was made retroactive for the entire year of 1997 that would then not require the age being a minimum of 55 to avoid having to pay a capital gains tax. I was told by my realtor that the law was "sure to pass" in 1997 and would be made retroactive, it turned out she was right, but I wasn't going to take any chances, so I told her that I would not sell before my birthday at the end of July. FWIW, I closed on August 1, 1997 which was before the new capital gains tax was passed.

I put the house up for sale at the end of February 1997 and got a few offers but the prospective buyers did not want to wait until the end of July because they did not want to take the chance of interest rates going up which I figured would happen. Then in very early May of 1997, while back in the Burgh working as a consultant for the same company that retired me, I got a call from the realtor and she was all excited that she found a buyer that would wait until the end of July but the buyers could not make it to SC to see the house in person until the middle of June. They had only seen many pictures taken by my realtor but she was sure they would buy the house based on her pictures. Now another catch. I didn't want to take the house off the market and possibly lose a local buyer while waiting to see if the out of town buyers would actually want my house when they saw it. The realtor again assured me that they REALLY wanted the house and that she could still show it while it was under agreement but with a clause stating the "knowledge of a strong offer from an out of town buyer". I told her that would very much limit any other buyers and that if I was looking to buy a house I would not want to see something I more than likely wouldn't get. Mrs. j agreed saying most women would not want to be set up for a disappointment.

With that the realtor said, "I don't know what else to do at this time". I came up with a plan that would surely discourage the prospective buyers but I ran it past the realtor any way. I told her that if the buyers agreed to put down $5500 that was non-refundable if they didn't want the house, I would allow her to take my house off the market until the buyers showed up in the middle June 1997. Believe it or not the buyers agreed to this one sided deal. When they looked at the house they wanted it so all that remained was for us to hammer out a final selling price. To make this long story short, I lowered my price only $1500 when it was all said and done.You gotta admit, even I couldn't make up a tale like this.

I can only imagine how this couple has been taken to the cleaners over the years when they bought cars.

jmonroe

You missed your calling selling cars at the buy here pay here.

You were 55 in 1997? Wow, you are really old!

Don't knock it until you get there. :@

jmonroe

carnaught

I happen to think that @jmonroe, although verbose, is pretty sharp for his age.

nyccarguy

GM Guys - can you help me with this one?

My Dad LOVES his Tahoe. He currently leases a 2015 4WD LT. His lease is up in March, but we are in the beginning stages of shopping. He's hoping for a "pull ahead" program plus the "Costco Employee Pricing" that comes out every year after Thanksgiving.

We "built" 2 vehicles online. A Tahoe Premier with the RST Package (6.2L Motor, Magnetic Ride Control, 22" Wheels, & lots of Black Trim) and a GMC Yukon Denali (6.2L Motor, Magnetic Ride Control, 22" Wheels, & lots of Chrome Trim). I'm curious as to WHY the adaptive cruise control is available on the GMC as well as other Tahoe Configurations, but NOT with the RST package.

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

I've been seeing commercials on different cars promoting the auto braking feature. On one the car brakes for a guy who runs into the street chasing his briefcase full of papers blowing down the road. The driver smirks at the situation and then drives away scattering the man's papers even more. Why didn't he bother to help the paper chaser out?

The second one is a Camry ad where the family is following a large RV that brakes suddenly for deer in the road. The Camry brakes automaticlly and then the driver guns it around the RV and tears down the road at what sounds like full throttle. What about the deer standing there?

Are they marketing this tech for clueless uncaring people or what?

Beats me.

I don't think I have adaptive braking on the new ATS but I'm still not sure. The thing is, I thought it did something like that the very first day I had the car. But it hasn't seemed to do it since. I know I have this collision alert feature both front and rear that supposedly does some things though I dunno exactly what because it never seems to notice anything coming up in front of me. When I back into my driveway it gives the seat a shake when I get within about 10 feet of the garage door. But when I keep backing in closer it does nothing. It has the sensors on the front and rear bumpers that I had in my '11 Regal. I liked those on that car because as you crept towards something it would beep and change the frequency of the beeps the closer you got to it. This one doesn't do that which is less useful.

I'm very confused...

Mr_Shiftright

I looked at it but did not answer the questions because you forgot to ask the most important one: "do you want such a product?" Or at least add "I would not buy it" as a choice on the pricing question. I know it has "$0-$20" there but that obviously doesn't answer the question of demand.
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jmonroe

driver100 said:

thebean said:

There's five minutes of my life I'll never get back. I should have gone to bed like driver.

I wish I had read your post first bean, it would have saved me 5 minutes of my life too!

JMonroe said:

I can only imagine how this couple has been taken to the cleaners over the years when they bought cars

They probably do fine in life.....they made a good decision somehow. The house probably went up a lot since they bought it, they got you to lower your price by $1500 which is no easy feat, and whatever they paid for the house is immaterial these days.

I wish I had read your post first bean, it would have saved me 5 minutes of my life too!
JMonroe said:

I can only imagine how this couple has been taken to the cleaners over the years when they bought cars


They probably do fine in life.....they made a good decision somehow. The house probably went up a lot since they bought it, they got you to lower your price by $1500 which is no easy feat, and whatever they paid for the house is immaterial these days.
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I didn't want to make my original post more lengthy than it already was with a lot of details but since you are questioning me about lowering my price by $1500, I'll answer that.

Like I said they were an out of town buyer and my realtor told them that I already refused to counter a low ball offer (22K under my asking price) made by a local house hunter a month earlier. Well, that is a little bit of a lie because I didn't really refuse to counter because I did counter with $50 off my asking price but you get the idea. So, with that in mind my realtor pretty much had them prepared to make a good offer.

They came in with $5000 under my asking price which I said was a fair starting point as long as they understood I wanted more and if they would agree to the non-refundable $5000 hand money deal, if they didn't want my house, that I mentioned in my original post. I'll never understand why they agreed to that and I never asked either.

OK, they liked the house so now we got into some horse trading. I did this over phone from the Burgh with Mrs. j and I on the line with the realtor in SC. I knew their offer of $5000 under my listing price was a very good offer and even that was about $5000 more than I figured I would sell the house for when I listed it. But, I figured that they didn't give me their best offer right off the bat so I countered with $800 under my asking price. They countered with $2200 under my asking price and we finally settled on $1500 less than my listing price. I was very satisfied with that deal and the realtor told me the buyers were satisfied too.

So, just like when buying a car, if there are two reasonable people trying to make a deal, it will almost always happen.

jmonroe

nyccarguy

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I've been seeing commercials on different cars promoting the auto braking feature. On one the car brakes for a guy who runs into the street chasing his briefcase full of papers blowing down the road. The driver smirks at the situation and then drives away scattering the man's papers even more. Why didn't he bother to help the paper chaser out?

The second one is a Camry ad where the family is following a large RV that brakes suddenly for deer in the road. The Camry brakes automaticlly and then the driver guns it around the RV and tears down the road at what sounds like full throttle. What about the deer standing there?

Are they marketing this tech for clueless uncaring people or what?

Beats me.

I don't think I have adaptive braking on the new ATS but I'm still not sure. The thing is, I thought it did something like that the very first day I had the car. But it hasn't seemed to do it since. I know I have this collision alert feature both front and rear that supposedly does some things though I dunno exactly what because it never seems to notice anything coming up in front of me. When I back into my driveway it gives the seat a shake when I get within about 10 feet of the garage door. But when I keep backing in closer it does nothing. It has the sensors on the front and rear bumpers that I had in my '11 Regal. I liked those on that car because as you crept towards something it would beep and change the frequency of the beeps the closer you got to it. This one doesn't do that which is less useful.

I'm very confused...

My Dad's Tahoe has the same thing. You can configure it to either BEEP or VIBRATE. Im sure your ATS does the same thing

ab348

jmonroe said:

OK, they liked the house so now we got into some horse trading. I did this over phone from the Burgh with Mrs. j and I on the line with the realtor in SC. I knew their offer of $5000 under my listing price was a very good offer and even that was about $5000 more than I figured I would sell the house for when I listed it. But, I figured that they didn't give me their best offer right off the bat so I countered with $800 under my asking price. They countered with $2200 under my asking price and we finally settled on $1500 less than my listing price. I was very satisfied with that deal and the realtor told me the buyers were satisfied too.

So, just like when buying a car, if there are two reasonable people trying to make a deal, it will almost always happen.

But you left out the most important part: how many sandwiches did you have to go through to get to the price you wanted?

andres3

houdini1 said:

To my eye the 2018 Sonata beats the 2018 Accord and the 2018 Camry in the styling and looks dept. Primarily due to the front end (grill, etc.) looks.

is this based on distant photographs, or up close and personal real-world eyeball inspection? I find some cars are not as pretty when you get down to the nitty gritty.

driver100

nyccarguy said:

@driver100 - you are retired. Why do you get up at 6:00 AM?

There was a time when I used to stay up later and get up later. 2 reasons to get up early; 1) my wife is an early go to bed get up early person, since we both worked on the business it was more productive if both of us were on the same schedule, and 2) now that I am used to it I like it....my tennis here begins at 7 a.m....I get there at about 8, I play, and I have the rest of the day to do other stuff like write posts.

Even though I head for bed at 10, I read and watch the news until about 11. Hope that explains it.

driver100

carnaught said:

I happen to think that @jmonroe, although verbose, is pretty sharp for his age.

Carnaught, I am glad you added the qualifier.

driver100

we finally settled on $1500 less than my listing price. I was very satisfied with that deal and the realtor told me the buyers were satisfied too.
So, just like when buying a car, if there are two reasonable people trying to make a deal, it will almost always happen.
jmonroe

Remember when you mention I left $200 on the table for the C250....you left $1500 on the table for the house

jmonroe

andres3 said:

houdini1 said:

To my eye the 2018 Sonata beats the 2018 Accord and the 2018 Camry in the styling and looks dept. Primarily due to the front end (grill, etc.) looks.

is this based on distant photographs, or up close and personal real-world eyeball inspection? I find some cars are not as pretty when you get down to the nitty gritty.

Give us 2 example of that.

jmonroe

jmonroe

ab348 said:

jmonroe said:

OK, they liked the house so now we got into some horse trading. I did this over phone from the Burgh with Mrs. j and I on the line with the realtor in SC. I knew their offer of $5000 under my listing price was a very good offer and even that was about $5000 more than I figured I would sell the house for when I listed it. But, I figured that they didn't give me their best offer right off the bat so I countered with $800 under my asking price. They countered with $2200 under my asking price and we finally settled on $1500 less than my listing price. I was very satisfied with that deal and the realtor told me the buyers were satisfied too.

So, just like when buying a car, if there are two reasonable people trying to make a deal, it will almost always happen.

But you left out the most important part: how many sandwiches did you have to go through to get to the price you wanted?

I doubt that I gained more than a pound doing that deal.

jmonroe

jmonroe

driver100 said:

nyccarguy said:

@driver100 - you are retired. Why do you get up at 6:00 AM?

There was a time when I used to stay up later and get up later. 2 reasons to get up early; 1) my wife is an early go to bed get up early person, since we both worked on the business it was more productive if both of us were on the same schedule, and 2) now that I am used to it I like it....my tennis here begins at 7 a.m....I get there at about 8, I play, and I have the rest of the day to do other stuff like write posts.

Even though I head for bed at 10, I read and watch the news until about 11. Hope that explains it.

Is there any chance that you could improve your game and win a few more matches thereby keeping you on the court longer and sparing us from so many posts?

jmonroe

houdini1

andres3 said:

houdini1 said:

To my eye the 2018 Sonata beats the 2018 Accord and the 2018 Camry in the styling and looks dept. Primarily due to the front end (grill, etc.) looks.

is this based on distant photographs, or up close and personal real-world eyeball inspection? I find some cars are not as pretty when you get down to the nitty gritty.

Just based on photos, no up close inspection...but I know what you mean. The grills on the Camry and Accord just look to fussy and contrived to me. Plus a pet peeve of mine is to be able to plainly see the radiator behind the grill, which you can in these cars. Up close inspection might change my opinion.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

we finally settled on $1500 less than my listing price. I was very satisfied with that deal and the realtor told me the buyers were satisfied too.
So, just like when buying a car, if there are two reasonable people trying to make a deal, it will almost always happen.
jmonroe

Remember when you mention I left $200 on the table for the C250....you left $1500 on the table for the house

Percentage wise I'm sure I gave up much less. And lets not forget that when you sell a house you usually leave a pretty good cushion to allow for negotiating but with a car you don't allow that much.

Furthermore, as I mentioned, I was still getting a good bit more than I originally thought I would.

And another furthermore, I ain't no car salesman so I ain't no thief. :@

jmonroe

berri

I wonder how this auto braking and other autonomous features will work when cars are loaded up with ice and snow? Is it sensors that can become obscured or an actual radar system?

stickguy

I hope smart enough to recognize the he condition, and default to off?

thebean

qbrozen said:

thebean said:

There's five minutes of my life I'll never get back. I should have gone to bed like driver.

You need better glasses. Took me less than a minute. ;b

Q, I read it several times, as I thought there had to be something interesting in the entire post. Sadly, I was mistaken. That's what took five minutes.

@jmonroe is really good at taking grief. I admire that in a person.

andres3

houdini1 said:

andres3 said:

houdini1 said:

To my eye the 2018 Sonata beats the 2018 Accord and the 2018 Camry in the styling and looks dept. Primarily due to the front end (grill, etc.) looks.

is this based on distant photographs, or up close and personal real-world eyeball inspection? I find some cars are not as pretty when you get down to the nitty gritty.

Just based on photos, no up close inspection...but I know what you mean. The grills on the Camry and Accord just look to fussy and contrived to me. Plus a pet peeve of mine is to be able to plainly see the radiator behind the grill, which you can in these cars. Up close inspection might change my opinion.

Nothing against the Sonata either, as there's one in my work-place parking lot that's new, and it does look sharp. It's a nice blue.

roadburner

houdini1 said:

roadburner said:

andres3 said:

stickguy said:

It's been a long time (20 years) for us. But I'm still looking looking forward to the next excitement of a change.

Oh I hate moving. Each time I do it I outsource and pay for more "help."

I think I've said it before, but someone will have to offer me an obscene amount of money for me to even consider selling and moving...

roadburner said:

andres3 said:

stickguy said:

It's been a long time (20 years) for us. But I'm still looking looking forward to the next excitement of a change.

Oh I hate moving. Each time I do it I outsource and pay for more "help."

I think I've said it before, but someone will have to offer me an obscene amount of money for me to even consider selling and moving...

Speaking of moving, when do you head back to the courthouse?

I'm still waiting on the Governor to make an appointment. Three other people have applied, so right now it's just wait and see...

imidazol97

houdini1 said:

Just based on photos, no up close inspection...but I know what you mean. The grills on the Camry and Accord just look to fussy and contrived to me. Plus a pet peeve of mine is to be able to plainly see the radiator behind the grill, which you can in these cars. Up close inspection might change my opinion.

The grill on the Accord has three different textures. The open area at bottom with large rectangles.

stickguy

I do like the new sonata front end. A little more stylish than the one on my car, but not overdone.

andres3

jmonroe said:

andres3 said:

houdini1 said:

To my eye the 2018 Sonata beats the 2018 Accord and the 2018 Camry in the styling and looks dept. Primarily due to the front end (grill, etc.) looks.

is this based on distant photographs, or up close and personal real-world eyeball inspection? I find some cars are not as pretty when you get down to the nitty gritty.

Give us 2 example of that.

jmonroe

Hmmmm....

Example one is the Kia Optima. A nice enough car and design, but the paint quality is lacking (way too much orange peel). Also, some interior trim pieces just don't fit as perfectly as they should (no finger size gaps though).

Example 2 would be my S4 that was rebuilt and assembled at a assembly line body shop in Escondido (probably by under the table undocumented labor @ $10/hour), but they still charge the insurance company $50/hour. After that reincarnation, it still looked good in photos, but to the naked eye it reminded me of that damn body shop every time.

ab348

imidazol97 said:

houdini1 said:

Just based on photos, no up close inspection...but I know what you mean. The grills on the Camry and Accord just look to fussy and contrived to me. Plus a pet peeve of mine is to be able to plainly see the radiator behind the grill, which you can in these cars. Up close inspection might change my opinion.

The grill on the Accord has three different textures. The open area at bottom with large rectangles.

It looks really unfinished from some angles.

abacomike

berri said:

I wonder how this auto braking and other autonomous features will work when cars are loaded up with ice and snow? Is it sensors that can become obscured or an actual radar system?

The sensors “can” be encumbered by salt deposits and ice.  On my way home from northern Florida in April, my autonomous steering and adaptive cruise control went off-line due to very heavy rains.  An error message came up on my screens indicating that those two functions were off-line.  They both went online once the heavy rains subsided.

The radar and infrared sensors become blocked.

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

berri said:

I wonder how this auto braking and other autonomous features will work when cars are loaded up with ice and snow? Is it sensors that can become obscured or an actual radar system?

The sensors “can” be encumbered by salt deposits and ice.  On my way home from northern Florida in April, my autonomous steering and adaptive cruise control went off-line due to very heavy rains.  An error message came up on my screens indicating that those two functions were off-line.  They both went online once the heavy rains subsided.

The radar and infrared sensors become blocked.

I can only imagine the long term effect winter salt will have on these systems and the cost to repair them. If you think flood salt water causes problems at least it doesn't cause parts of the car to fall off.

stickguy

I don't care, as long as they can just be turned off

driver100

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

nyccarguy said:

@driver100 - you are retired. Why do you get up at 6:00 AM?

There was a time when I used to stay up later and get up later. 2 reasons to get up early; 1) my wife is an early go to bed get up early person, since we both worked on the business it was more productive if both of us were on the same schedule, and 2) now that I am used to it I like it....my tennis here begins at 7 a.m....I get there at about 8, I play, and I have the rest of the day to do other stuff like write posts.

Even though I head for bed at 10, I read and watch the news until about 11. Hope that explains it.

Is there any chance that you could improve your game and win a few more matches thereby keeping you on the court longer and sparing us from so many posts?

jmonroe

My fan base will be upset if don't post enough

driver100

ab348 said:

imidazol97 said:

houdini1 said:

Just based on photos, no up close inspection...but I know what you mean. The grills on the Camry and Accord just look to fussy and contrived to me. Plus a pet peeve of mine is to be able to plainly see the radiator behind the grill, which you can in these cars. Up close inspection might change my opinion.

The grill on the Accord has three different textures. The open area at bottom with large rectangles.

It looks really unfinished from some angles.

I think it depends on the angle you view it from;


One article did say people either liked it or didn't....polarizing (like everything else these days).

tbirdmarco

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8xZNMuwuQLM

houdini1

It seems to me that Honda has always tried too hard to avoid competing with their Acura Division. They don't want to make the Accord (a great car) too nice or it will steal sales from Acura. Toyota/Lexus and Nissan/Infiniti have the same problem.

snakeweasel

nyccarguy said:

@driver100 - you are retired. Why do you get up at 6:00 AM?

So he can get on the road and drive slow to make us all late for work.

houdini1

For me, getting up early is tied to getting older and being retired. When I used to HAVE to get up and go to work, I hated getting up early. Now it is so much fun not having to work, I hop right up so that I have more time in the day to enjoy myself.

suydam

I feel that way too. So many great things to do!

isellhondas

houdini1 said:

To my eye the 2018 Sonata beats the 2018 Accord and the 2018 Camry in the styling and looks dept. Primarily due to the front end (grill, etc.) looks.

Looks are so subjective. In ten years the Sonata will be worth a whole lot less then the Accord or Camry if that's important. I'll say Hyundai has come a LONG, LONG way!

Mr_Shiftright

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

nyccarguy said:

@driver100 - you are retired. Why do you get up at 6:00 AM?

There was a time when I used to stay up later and get up later. 2 reasons to get up early; 1) my wife is an early go to bed get up early person, since we both worked on the business it was more productive if both of us were on the same schedule, and 2) now that I am used to it I like it....my tennis here begins at 7 a.m....I get there at about 8, I play, and I have the rest of the day to do other stuff like write posts.

Even though I head for bed at 10, I read and watch the news until about 11. Hope that explains it.

Is there any chance that you could improve your game and win a few more matches thereby keeping you on the court longer and sparing us from so many posts?

jmonroe

My fan base will be upset if don't post enough

No he won't.

snakeweasel

isellhondas said:lo

To my eye the 2018 Sonata beats the 2018 Accord and the 2018 Camry in the styling and looks dept. Primarily due to the front end (grill, etc.) looks.

Looks are so subjective. In ten years the Sonata will be worth a whole lot less then the Accord or Camry if that's important. I'll say Hyundai has come a LONG, LONG way!

Yes in 10 years the Sonata will be worth a lot less than an Accord or a Camry but let's be honest brand new the Accord and the Camry cost a lot more. 

It doesn't make sense to buy a Camry over a Sonata simply because it will be worth a few thousand more in ten years if your paying 3 to 4 grand more for the Camry now. 

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

berri said:

I wonder how this auto braking and other autonomous features will work when cars are loaded up with ice and snow? Is it sensors that can become obscured or an actual radar system?

The sensors “can” be encumbered by salt deposits and ice.  On my way home from northern Florida in April, my autonomous steering and adaptive cruise control went off-line due to very heavy rains.  An error message came up on my screens indicating that those two functions were off-line.  They both went online once the heavy rains subsided.

The radar and infrared sensors become blocked.

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

imidazol97 said:

houdini1 said:

Just based on photos, no up close inspection...but I know what you mean. The grills on the Camry and Accord just look to fussy and contrived to me. Plus a pet peeve of mine is to be able to plainly see the radiator behind the grill, which you can in these cars. Up close inspection might change my opinion.

The grill on the Accord has three different textures. The open area at bottom with large rectangles.

It looks really unfinished from some angles.

I think it depends on the angle you view it from;


One article did say people either liked it or didn't....polarizing (like everything else these days).

It does look like the grill has been knocked off.

oldfarmer50

isellhondas said:

houdini1 said:

To my eye the 2018 Sonata beats the 2018 Accord and the 2018 Camry in the styling and looks dept. Primarily due to the front end (grill, etc.) looks.

Looks are so subjective. In ten years the Sonata will be worth a whole lot less then the Accord or Camry if that's important. I'll say Hyundai has come a LONG, LONG way!

I agree. If I was going to keep a car for 10 years I'd buy a Honda new. If I was doing the same on a 3 year old used car I'd take the Hyundai.

houdini1

isellhondas said:

houdini1 said:

To my eye the 2018 Sonata beats the 2018 Accord and the 2018 Camry in the styling and looks dept. Primarily due to the front end (grill, etc.) looks.

Looks are so subjective. In ten years the Sonata will be worth a whole lot less then the Accord or Camry if that's important. I'll say Hyundai has come a LONG, LONG way!

But remember isell, in 10 years that Sonata will still be under warranty !!

driver100

snakeweasel said:

nyccarguy said:

@driver100 - you are retired. Why do you get up at 6:00 AM?

So he can get on the road and drive slow to make us all late for work.

Yeh, I am one of those old guys that drive slowly to my tennis game, and it takes me about 90 seconds to make a right turn.

driver100

houdini1 said:

For me, getting up early is tied to getting older and being retired. When I used to HAVE to get up and go to work, I hated getting up early. Now it is so much fun not having to work, I hop right up so that I have more time in the day to enjoy myself.

Exactly! I feel like I am in camp for adults...I just play and do what I want all day long....why wouldn't I get up and get started....on doing nothing!

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

abacomike said:

berri said:

I wonder how this auto braking and other autonomous features will work when cars are loaded up with ice and snow? Is it sensors that can become obscured or an actual radar system?

The sensors “can” be encumbered by salt deposits and ice.  On my way home from northern Florida in April, my autonomous steering and adaptive cruise control went off-line due to very heavy rains.  An error message came up on my screens indicating that those two functions were off-line.  They both went online once the heavy rains subsided.

The radar and infrared sensors become blocked.

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

imidazol97 said:

houdini1 said:

Just based on photos, no up close inspection...but I know what you mean. The grills on the Camry and Accord just look to fussy and contrived to me. Plus a pet peeve of mine is to be able to plainly see the radiator behind the grill, which you can in these cars. Up close inspection might change my opinion.

The grill on the Accord has three different textures. The open area at bottom with large rectangles.

It looks really unfinished from some angles.

I think it depends on the angle you view it from;


One article did say people either liked it or didn't....polarizing (like everything else these days).

It does look like the grill has been knocked off.



Now that you mention it...........

NOTE TO THE FAN CLUB: Thank you all very much, no applause necessary.

driver100

houdini1 said:

isellhondas said:

houdini1 said:

To my eye the 2018 Sonata beats the 2018 Accord and the 2018 Camry in the styling and looks dept. Primarily due to the front end (grill, etc.) looks.

Looks are so subjective. In ten years the Sonata will be worth a whole lot less then the Accord or Camry if that's important. I'll say Hyundai has come a LONG, LONG way!

But remember isell, in 10 years that Sonata will still be under warranty !!

I would still trust a 10 year old Honda over a 10 year old Hyundai, warranty or not.

*Not that Hyundai doesn't make great cars, it is just that Honda has the reputation and track record.

explorerx4

Crickets.

28firefighter

Some story @jmonroe. No way I would have taken a gamble like that. 

We’ve had 8 showings today in the first 24 hours of being on the market.  Already a hot home on Redfin. 

Unreal. 

stickguy

if it is a nice home, and priced right, should get a ton of action in a hot market.

I hope when I finally manage to get mine listed, I get some competition to run up the price. And almost as good, get bids without tons of contingencies.

Michaell

28firefighter said:

Some story @jmonroe. No way I would have taken a gamble like that. 

We’ve had 8 showings today in the first 24 hours of being on the market.  Already a hot home on Redfin. 

Unreal. 

I will go on the record and predict a selling price 5-10% above asking. You may have a bidding war.