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driver100

I slept in until 6:40 this morning, but, I did play 1 1/2 hrs of pickleball and then 1 1/2 hours of tennis yesterday - I don't usually do both. It is now 7:20 a.m. Now I know why I am always the first one on in the morning (by about 2 hours), you lazy======sleep in....or live in California.

oldfarmer50

this is what I would like to have.

http://www.fordmuscle.com/features/car-features/58-ford-sleeper-surprises-many-with-its-coyote-power/?cks=15304659750&emailid=FP_FASTNEWS

driver100

explorerx4 said:

Crickets.

I kind of wonder about those 10 year warranties for cars. GM did it when it was do or die. They offer the warranty knowing they have nothing to lose. If people think it shows they have great cars they will sell enough cars and survive. If they don't sell enough cars they will go out of business and won't honor the warranty.

A 10 year warranty is probably pretty limited. Also, lets say you get a real lemon or your car keeps breaking down. Even if it is repaired all the time......how long will you keep it if it is in the garage more than it is on the road. Warranty just means they will keep fixing it.

My guess, Hyundai knows their segment of the market is very competitive, some people don't trust the Hyundai name as much as some others (Toy and Hon), so they are giving some reassurance to buyers who may switch, if they have this extra assurance.

nyccarguy

8 showings?  Wow!  Good for you!  Good luck!

abacomike

28firefighter said:

Some story @jmonroe. No way I would have taken a gamble like that. 

We’ve had 8 showings today in the first 24 hours of being on the market.  Already a hot home on Redfin. 

Unreal. 

That’s outstanding!  You will probably end up in the midst of a bidding war.

When we were about to close on our first custom designed and custom built 2-story colonial, we were in the midst of a bidding war on our first house.  We listed it at $84,999 (paid $35,000 7 years earlier) and it sold for $91,099.  That was an amazing experience, not to mention an amazing price.  This occurred in 1976 when there was a housing boom in the area in which we lived.  Mortgage interest rates were 7-3/4% at the time, just before rates began to zoom upward.Good luck FF - enjoy the experience.

abacomike

driver100 said:

I slept in until 6:40 this morning, but, I did play 1 1/2 hrs of pickleball and then 1 1/2 hours of tennis yesterday - I don't usually do both. It is now 7:20 a.m. Now I know why I am always the first one on in the morning (by about 2 hours), you lazy======sleep in....or live in California.

When I got up at 5:00 AM this morning, the very last thing I was thinking of doing was to log on here and read posts or post my own! 

houdini1

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

Crickets.

I kind of wonder about those 10 year warranties for cars. GM did it when it was do or die. They offer the warranty knowing they have nothing to lose. If people think it shows they have great cars they will sell enough cars and survive. If they don't sell enough cars they will go out of business and won't honor the warranty.

A 10 year warranty is probably pretty limited. Also, lets say you get a real lemon or your car keeps breaking down. Even if it is repaired all the time......how long will you keep it if it is in the garage more than it is on the road. Warranty just means they will keep fixing it.

My guess, Hyundai knows their segment of the market is very competitive, some people don't trust the Hyundai name as much as some others (Toy and Hon), so they are giving some reassurance to buyers who may switch, if they have this extra assurance.

Those 10 year warranties are "bumper to bumper" for the first 5 years and powertrain only for the last 5 years. Also, I think the last 5 years is for the original buyer only and cannot be transferred. Then there is the jmonroe caveat.

graphicguy

ab348 said:

imidazol97 said:

houdini1 said:

Just based on photos, no up close inspection...but I know what you mean. The grills on the Camry and Accord just look to fussy and contrived to me. Plus a pet peeve of mine is to be able to plainly see the radiator behind the grill, which you can in these cars. Up close inspection might change my opinion.

The grill on the Accord has three different textures. The open area at bottom with large rectangles.

It looks really unfinished from some angles.

I thought the same thing when I first saw pictures of it, AB. The front end looks unfinished. I like the previous gen grill.

That said, I really like the side coupe styling and the rear, too.

I’ll await final judgement until I see one in person.

graphicguy

roadburner said:

houdini1 said:

roadburner said:

andres3 said:

stickguy said:

It's been a long time (20 years) for us. But I'm still looking looking forward to the next excitement of a change.

Oh I hate moving. Each time I do it I outsource and pay for more "help."

I think I've said it before, but someone will have to offer me an obscene amount of money for me to even consider selling and moving...

roadburner said:

andres3 said:

stickguy said:

It's been a long time (20 years) for us. But I'm still looking looking forward to the next excitement of a change.

Oh I hate moving. Each time I do it I outsource and pay for more "help."

I think I've said it before, but someone will have to offer me an obscene amount of money for me to even consider selling and moving...

Speaking of moving, when do you head back to the courthouse?

I'm still waiting on the Governor to make an appointment. Three other people have applied, so right now it's just wait and see...

Can you send the governor a nice case of wine to move the needle towards you?

This reminds me, early in my career I had to make a decision to stay with the company that recruited me out of college and I had worked for for about a decade (the big copier company)? Or, start taking the recruiter’s calls and see what else was out there that might suit me better.

It’s not like I was unhappy in the position I had. You just don’t know what you’re missing until you look around a little bit. Plus, it gave me the opportunity to see how much my company valued me.

Anyway, I was recruited pretty heavily by another company that wasn’t in the document processing industry, but was in then data processing industry and a large government contractor. They were large in their own right.

Anyway, their salary and bonus structure were so far ahead of the one I was under, and the position was about 2 levels above what I the current position was, I decided I really wanted the position.

I wanted it so much, that the final decision maker (a VP at the time) was the only person who was wavering on hiring me (according to one of my inside people) because of me changing industries.

Found out he was a wine connoisseur. So, I went out and bought the most expensive bottle of wine I could find (over $100). I bought a wooden presentation box made specifically for wine that cost nearly as much as the bottle itself, and sent it to him, thanking him for his time.

One week went by, two weeks went by, three weeks went by.....I heard nothing. I finally called the VP and got his secretary. After leaving a couple of messages to have him call me back, I finally asked the secretary if she knew if the position I had interviewed for had been filled. She said it had been. She felt badly that no one had contacted me to tell me. I inquired if she knew if the VP had received my “thank you” gift. She said he had and commented how much he enjoyed it.

I did parlay the fact that I was looking around into a modest raise. I still left them a year later for a pretty big bump in pay.

Moral of the story, don’t try to weasel your way into a job by trying to bribe someone.

ab348

driver100 said:

I slept in until 6:40 this morning, but, I did play 1 1/2 hrs of pickleball and then 1 1/2 hours of tennis yesterday - I don't usually do both. It is now 7:20 a.m. Now I know why I am always the first one on in the morning (by about 2 hours), you lazy======sleep in....or live in California.

I've never been a morning person, ever. I suspect it stems from when I was a little kid and being rousted out of bed early in the morning to get up and ready for school. I hated that experience. Then of course you start your work life and it is much the same thing only worse. Once I started working I became suspicious of those who came to the office very early. They were praised for their work ethic as a result and wore that distinction like a badge of honor, which didn't sit well with me. I would think, I'm here late most days, while they blow out of here mid-afternoon like clockwork, yet people praise them for arriving early. My suspicions were confirmed when I would come in at 7AM to prep for a presentation or a road trip and find them alone in the office, reading the newspaper and drinking coffee. In my last job our CEO was one of those guys, and he did much the same thing except if you came in very early you'd find him online reading the news or whatever else amused him. He was usually out of the office before 4:30 each afternoon.

So now that I'm retired I revel in the ability to stay up late (a good thing given the long Cubs/Nats game last night!) and to get up when I want. My mornings are now run at my own pace and let me slip gently into the afternoon when productivity actually begins for me.

suydam

I'm not a morning person but we have pets and they get us up. What I like about being retired is that we aren't rushing around. We have time to relax in the morning. We are also spending time doing activities we love -- volunteering for community events and groups, for example.

qbrozen

I'm on a job hunt now. Things have changed quite a bit, it seems. Especially when looking to get into large companies. They use software to screen resumes. There are many services out there offering to rewrite your resume to have a better chance of getting through these filters. I went ahead and paid a service to do so after getting no responses to several applications.

I finally got a nibble from a big company that is at the top of my list. The next step in the process is to get through the recruiter and have them forward your resume to the hiring manager. This is proving to be yet another challenge. Recruiters very rarely have the knowledge and experience to understand what it is I offer. After speaking with her for 25 mins, she attempted to sum up my experience and what I'm looking for, and then proceeded to tell me she didn't think I was a good fit. She was WAY off. So far off I had my doubts she even listened to my answers during the first 25 mins. With the 5 mins we had remaining, I attempted to dumb down the language and put it very bluntly for her how I was an excellent fit for the position and the company. She said she would get back to me, but that was a week ago.

roadburner

graphicguy said:

Moral of the story, don’t try to weasel your way into a job by trying to bribe someone.

Not bribing anyone, but his main contact in my county is pushing for me and I have 3 friends who have put in a good word with some members of his Cabinet as well as his family.

fintail

Bidding war?

I hope it at least sells to a legit buyer and not a corporation or money launderer.

28firefighter said:

Some story @jmonroe. No way I would have taken a gamble like that. 

We’ve had 8 showings today in the first 24 hours of being on the market.  Already a hot home on Redfin. 

Unreal. 

ab348

fintail said:

Bidding war?
I hope it at least sells to a legit buyer and not a corporation or money launderer.

Well, if I was @28firefighter as long as the cash was delivered as promised I wouldn't care who bought it as long as I got top dollar. It's fun to separate those who have too much money from some of it and have it land in your pocket.

Mr_Shiftright

ab348 said:

fintail said:

Bidding war?
I hope it at least sells to a legit buyer and not a corporation or money launderer.

Well, if I was @28firefighter as long as the cash was delivered as promised I wouldn't care who bought it as long as I got top dollar. It's fun to separate those who have too much money from some of it and have it land in your pocket.

Exactly. If the money was dirty, once he gets it he will launder it, put a nice crease in it, and it'll be as clean as the driven snow.

fintail

Those are nice thoughts, I suppose in some cases it can be a return of the money exported earlier for imported junk. It just make me roll my eyes when those who talk about "extreme vetting" actually court this type of gold, which has destroyed the housing market in Vancouver (for normal income earners, where there's probably a 15-20x average income to detached house ratio ) and is working on it in the Seattle area.

28firefighter

If we get a choice we will try and pick a family to live here. But I’m not confident we are going to get much choice given the volume and types  of business cards I’m seeing. 

driver100

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

I slept in until 6:40 this morning, but, I did play 1 1/2 hrs of pickleball and then 1 1/2 hours of tennis yesterday - I don't usually do both. It is now 7:20 a.m. Now I know why I am always the first one on in the morning (by about 2 hours), you lazy======sleep in....or live in California.

When I got up at 5:00 AM this morning, the very last thing I was thinking of doing was to log on here and read posts or post my own! 

Yeh but you don't have the same anticipating fan base!

Michaell

28firefighter said:

If we get a choice we will try and pick a family to live here. But I’m not confident we are going to get much choice given the volume and types  of business cards I’m seeing. 

Anybody written a letter to you, yet? We got one from the couple who bought our house a couple years ago.

But, we later found out they sold the house just a few months later, for the same price they bought it.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

roadburner said:

houdini1 said:

roadburner said:

andres3 said:

stickguy said:

It's been a long time (20 years) for us. But I'm still looking looking forward to the next excitement of a change.

Oh I hate moving. Each time I do it I outsource and pay for more "help."

I think I've said it before, but someone will have to offer me an obscene amount of money for me to even consider selling and moving...

roadburner said:

andres3 said:

stickguy said:

It's been a long time (20 years) for us. But I'm still looking looking forward to the next excitement of a change.

Oh I hate moving. Each time I do it I outsource and pay for more "help."

I think I've said it before, but someone will have to offer me an obscene amount of money for me to even consider selling and moving...

Speaking of moving, when do you head back to the courthouse?

I'm still waiting on the Governor to make an appointment. Three other people have applied, so right now it's just wait and see...

Can you send the governor a nice case of wine to move the needle towards you?

This reminds me, early in my career I had to make a decision to stay with the company that recruited me out of college and I had worked for for about a decade (the big copier company)? Or, start taking the recruiter’s calls and see what else was out there that might suit me better.

It’s not like I was unhappy in the position I had. You just don’t know what you’re missing until you look around a little bit. Plus, it gave me the opportunity to see how much my company valued me.

Anyway, I was recruited pretty heavily by another company that wasn’t in the document processing industry, but was in then data processing industry and a large government contractor. They were large in their own right.

Anyway, their salary and bonus structure were so far ahead of the one I was under, and the position was about 2 levels above what I the current position was, I decided I really wanted the position.

I wanted it so much, that the final decision maker (a VP at the time) was the only person who was wavering on hiring me (according to one of my inside people) because of me changing industries.

Found out he was a wine connoisseur. So, I went out and bought the most expensive bottle of wine I could find (over $100). I bought a wooden presentation box made specifically for wine that cost nearly as much as the bottle itself, and sent it to him, thanking him for his time.

One week went by, two weeks went by, three weeks went by.....I heard nothing. I finally called the VP and got his secretary. After leaving a couple of messages to have him call me back, I finally asked the secretary if she knew if the position I had interviewed for had been filled. She said it had been. She felt badly that no one had contacted me to tell me. I inquired if she knew if the VP had received my “thank you” gift. She said he had and commented how much he enjoyed it.

I did parlay the fact that I was looking around into a modest raise. I still left them a year later for a pretty big bump in pay.

Moral of the story, don’t try to weasel your way into a job by trying to bribe someone.

Maybe the secretary drank the bottle.

driver100

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Found out he was a wine connoisseur. So, I went out and bought the most expensive bottle of wine I could find (over $100).

Moral of the story, don’t try to weasel your way into a job by trying to bribe someon

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GG, you are a savvy business guy obviously, but, I think you would have had a better chance not giving the bottle of wine. If I was in his position I can think of a few reasons why I would have crossed you off the list.....because of the gift. If you are good you are good, and you don't have to buy your way into a position....that is #1.

However, it sounds like you have learned, or did that trick work in getting another job?

pensfan83

qbrozen said:

I'm on a job hunt now. Things have changed quite a bit, it seems. Especially when looking to get into large companies. They use software to screen resumes. There are many services out there offering to rewrite your resume to have a better chance of getting through these filters. I went ahead and paid a service to do so after getting no responses to several applications.

I finally got a nibble from a big company that is at the top of my list. The next step in the process is to get through the recruiter and have them forward your resume to the hiring manager. This is proving to be yet another challenge. Recruiters very rarely have the knowledge and experience to understand what it is I offer. After speaking with her for 25 mins, she attempted to sum up my experience and what I'm looking for, and then proceeded to tell me she didn't think I was a good fit. She was WAY off. So far off I had my doubts she even listened to my answers during the first 25 mins. With the 5 mins we had remaining, I attempted to dumb down the language and put it very bluntly for her how I was an excellent fit for the position and the company. She said she would get back to me, but that was a week ago.

Situations like this are why I now insist any new recruiter handling our open requisitions come sit with my team for a day to truly understand what it is we do and the caliber of employees we need/want to hire. I've lost too many quality candidates to a clunky HR screening process because the recruiter doesn't take the time to understand the needs of the hiring group.

stickguy

This is why, even though I really want one, I keep procrastinating on looking. I hate the process now. Will try to just target direct contacts, or specific recruiter

isellhondas

snakeweasel said:

isellhondas said:lo

houdini1 said:

To my eye the 2018 Sonata beats the 2018 Accord and the 2018 Camry in the styling and looks dept. Primarily due to the front end (grill, etc.) looks.

Looks are so subjective. In ten years the Sonata will be worth a whole lot less then the Accord or Camry if that's important. I'll say Hyundai has come a LONG, LONG way!

Yes in 10 years the Sonata will be worth a lot less than an Accord or a Camry but let's be honest brand new the Accord and the Camry cost a lot more. 

It doesn't make sense to buy a Camry over a Sonata simply because it will be worth a few thousand more in ten years if your paying 3 to 4 grand more for the Camry now. 

Actually the difference in price has really narrowed in recent years.

isellhondas

oldfarmer50 said:

isellhondas said:

houdini1 said:

To my eye the 2018 Sonata beats the 2018 Accord and the 2018 Camry in the styling and looks dept. Primarily due to the front end (grill, etc.) looks.

Looks are so subjective. In ten years the Sonata will be worth a whole lot less then the Accord or Camry if that's important. I'll say Hyundai has come a LONG, LONG way!

I agree. If I was going to keep a car for 10 years I'd buy a Honda new. If I was doing the same on a 3 year old used car I'd take the Hyundai.

I would probably do the same thing. A three year old Sonata is a lot of car for the money.

28firefighter

No letters. We’ve announced we are holding offers until 10/18. Given that most offers will not come until the last minute. 

stickguy

I think they are even better values new. You get the extra 5 years of powertrain warranty that way too, and with the big discounts, the savings going with a 3 YO model is not as big as you might think.

isellhondas

houdini1 said:

isellhondas said:

houdini1 said:

To my eye the 2018 Sonata beats the 2018 Accord and the 2018 Camry in the styling and looks dept. Primarily due to the front end (grill, etc.) looks.

Looks are so subjective. In ten years the Sonata will be worth a whole lot less then the Accord or Camry if that's important. I'll say Hyundai has come a LONG, LONG way!

But remember isell, in 10 years that Sonata will still be under warranty !!

The Korean cars burst into an already crowded market with some pretty crappy cars. They HAD to do something in order to survive so they did two things. they greatly improved quality and to inspire confidence put on a ten year POWERTRAIN warranty to the original owner. They really crow about this to the point that it works for some buyers! I used to say that Honda and Toyota should do the same thing! It would cost them so very little and it would stop the crowing. With a 60,000 mile powertrain already in effect they would have exposure for another 40,000 miles! How many powertrain problems is a Honda or Toyota going to have in 100,000 miles? Practically zero! We used to include a 100,000 mile powertrain at times in order to make a sale. We would use a well known after market company and the costs us would be a lot less than you would expect! Honda and Toyota should raise the MSRP another 200.00 or whatever and match the Korean makes!

But, what do I know about how their Marketing Dept thinks?

isellhondas

28firefighter said:

Some story @jmonroe. No way I would have taken a gamble like that. 

We’ve had 8 showings today in the first 24 hours of being on the market.  Already a hot home on Redfin. 

Unreal. 

People walk around our neighborhood knocking on doors offering more than our houses are worth! It is just CRAZY! I guess our house could be bought if enough money was offered.

stickguy

I wish someone would knock on my door asking to buy the house at top dollar. I would be packed in a week. The wife, well, longer than that I guess. Plus save on realtor costs.

sadly, I don't think it is happening around here.

driver100

You only offer a 10 year warranty if you want to expand your customer base. You don't do it if you don't have to.
Mitsu has been offering 10 year warranties for awhile now.....almost an act of desperation in their case.

isellhondas

driver100 said:

You only offer a 10 year warranty if you want to expand your customer base. You don't do it if you don't have to.
Mitsu has been offering 10 year warranties for awhile now.....almost an act of desperation in their case.

Except there ARE shoppers who we used to call "warranty freaks"! To these people the length of the warranty is the MAIN thing that matters to them! Honda and Toyota would sell more cars if they were to offer this and it would cost them very little or nothing if they simply rolled that into the MSRP. As far as Mitsu, they are almost non existent at least around here. I don't believe they even made an appearance at last year's Car Show.

berri

If you shop for an extended warranty while buying new, at least in the Midwest, Toyota company ones often cost a lot less than GM or Ford company equivalents. So that probably boosts your argument Isell. Personally I think they only make sense in limited situations. If you are right out of college and buying a well equipped vehicle with many tech features, your cash flow is probably going to be limited for awhile. In that case, on the chance of a big repair down the road, a factory extended one may make sense. Some of that electronics stuff can cost similar to major engine or transmission repairs. Electronics seem to be kind of random events sometimes.

andres3

graphicguy said:

roadburner said:

houdini1 said:

roadburner said:

andres3 said:

stickguy said:

It's been a long time (20 years) for us. But I'm still looking looking forward to the next excitement of a change.

Oh I hate moving. Each time I do it I outsource and pay for more "help."

I think I've said it before, but someone will have to offer me an obscene amount of money for me to even consider selling and moving...

roadburner said:

andres3 said:

stickguy said:

It's been a long time (20 years) for us. But I'm still looking looking forward to the next excitement of a change.

Oh I hate moving. Each time I do it I outsource and pay for more "help."

I think I've said it before, but someone will have to offer me an obscene amount of money for me to even consider selling and moving...

Speaking of moving, when do you head back to the courthouse?

I'm still waiting on the Governor to make an appointment. Three other people have applied, so right now it's just wait and see...

Can you send the governor a nice case of wine to move the needle towards you?

This reminds me, early in my career I had to make a decision to stay with the company that recruited me out of college and I had worked for for about a decade (the big copier company)? Or, start taking the recruiter’s calls and see what else was out there that might suit me better.

It’s not like I was unhappy in the position I had. You just don’t know what you’re missing until you look around a little bit. Plus, it gave me the opportunity to see how much my company valued me.

Anyway, I was recruited pretty heavily by another company that wasn’t in the document processing industry, but was in then data processing industry and a large government contractor. They were large in their own right.

Anyway, their salary and bonus structure were so far ahead of the one I was under, and the position was about 2 levels above what I the current position was, I decided I really wanted the position.

I wanted it so much, that the final decision maker (a VP at the time) was the only person who was wavering on hiring me (according to one of my inside people) because of me changing industries.

Found out he was a wine connoisseur. So, I went out and bought the most expensive bottle of wine I could find (over $100). I bought a wooden presentation box made specifically for wine that cost nearly as much as the bottle itself, and sent it to him, thanking him for his time.

One week went by, two weeks went by, three weeks went by.....I heard nothing. I finally called the VP and got his secretary. After leaving a couple of messages to have him call me back, I finally asked the secretary if she knew if the position I had interviewed for had been filled. She said it had been. She felt badly that no one had contacted me to tell me. I inquired if she knew if the VP had received my “thank you” gift. She said he had and commented how much he enjoyed it.

I did parlay the fact that I was looking around into a modest raise. I still left them a year later for a pretty big bump in pay.

Moral of the story, don’t try to weasel your way into a job by trying to bribe someone.

Unless the bribe is sexual favors, in exchange for movie roles......

andres3

qbrozen said:

I'm on a job hunt now. Things have changed quite a bit, it seems. Especially when looking to get into large companies. They use software to screen resumes. There are many services out there offering to rewrite your resume to have a better chance of getting through these filters. I went ahead and paid a service to do so after getting no responses to several applications.

I finally got a nibble from a big company that is at the top of my list. The next step in the process is to get through the recruiter and have them forward your resume to the hiring manager. This is proving to be yet another challenge. Recruiters very rarely have the knowledge and experience to understand what it is I offer. After speaking with her for 25 mins, she attempted to sum up my experience and what I'm looking for, and then proceeded to tell me she didn't think I was a good fit. She was WAY off. So far off I had my doubts she even listened to my answers during the first 25 mins. With the 5 mins we had remaining, I attempted to dumb down the language and put it very bluntly for her how I was an excellent fit for the position and the company. She said she would get back to me, but that was a week ago.

I think the whole HR industry is a big Ponzi scheme, only it isn't to steal money, but to justify job positions. I took an HR class at the University, so I'm not entirely clueless.

andres3

berri said:

If you shop for an extended warranty while buying new, at least in the Midwest, Toyota company ones often cost a lot less than GM or Ford company equivalents. So that probably boosts your argument Isell. Personally I think they only make sense in limited situations. If you are right out of college and buying a well equipped vehicle with many tech features, your cash flow is probably going to be limited for awhile. In that case, on the chance of a big repair down the road, a factory extended one may make sense. Some of that electronics stuff can cost similar to major engine or transmission repairs. Electronics seem to be kind of random events sometimes.

I prefer knowing the "real" price upfront, and buying goods that'll last a long time without needing repair.

Cheap stuff that breaks often ends up costing more than the high quality more expensive product.

I get annoyed at hidden costs. For instance, I used Priceline to make a reservation at a cheap inn/motel, only to have my King Bed room get downgraded to a single Double bed room on the itinerary receipt.

For some reason neither Priceline nor the Hotel wanted to honor the quoted rate, but the hotel offered to provide the King room for an "upgrade fee" Too quick to be an "accident" in my mind. A web error? Must happen often! I was forced to just get a refund and book elsewhere. Thankfully my 2nd choice hotel with a Queen room wasn't sold out while I wasted time with the Bait & Switch fraudulent scheme.

The queen room at the other hotel facility was actually cheaper than the King room with the "upgrade" fee included, but even if it wasn't, I'd have purchased it instead of succumbing to the racket.

andres3

isellhondas said:

houdini1 said:

isellhondas said:

houdini1 said:

To my eye the 2018 Sonata beats the 2018 Accord and the 2018 Camry in the styling and looks dept. Primarily due to the front end (grill, etc.) looks.

Looks are so subjective. In ten years the Sonata will be worth a whole lot less then the Accord or Camry if that's important. I'll say Hyundai has come a LONG, LONG way!

But remember isell, in 10 years that Sonata will still be under warranty !!

The Korean cars burst into an already crowded market with some pretty crappy cars. They HAD to do something in order to survive so they did two things. they greatly improved quality and to inspire confidence put on a ten year POWERTRAIN warranty to the original owner. They really crow about this to the point that it works for some buyers! I used to say that Honda and Toyota should do the same thing! It would cost them so very little and it would stop the crowing. With a 60,000 mile powertrain already in effect they would have exposure for another 40,000 miles! How many powertrain problems is a Honda or Toyota going to have in 100,000 miles? Practically zero! We used to include a 100,000 mile powertrain at times in order to make a sale. We would use a well known after market company and the costs us would be a lot less than you would expect! Honda and Toyota should raise the MSRP another 200.00 or whatever and match the Korean makes!

But, what do I know about how their Marketing Dept thinks?

They should most definitely not raise the price $200 in order to lengthen the warranty, but they should most definitely offer the $200 upgrade option on warranties for the people that want them, and publish it as standard and well known option. That would be the best marketing, our 100K warranty only costs $200!

I have a feeling the reason they don't is because dealerships have finance salesmen that prefer selling the $200 warranty for $2,000 to those paranoid people that would buy an extended warranty on a Honda in the first place!

thebean

Life's too short and vacations are too important to me to mess with Priceline and their ilk to save a few bucks.  I always book with the hotel website itself and get all applicable discounts, like senior discount, and then I can change/cancel with no hassle.  I worked hard and saved for 40 years and I'm going to enjoy my money as long as it lasts.

andres3

thebean said:

Life's too short and vacations are too important to me to mess with Priceline and their ilk to save a few bucks.  I always book with the hotel website itself and get all applicable discounts, like senior discount, and then I can change/cancel with no hassle.  I worked hard and saved for 40 years and I'm going to enjoy my money as long as it lasts.

Well, this isn't a "vacation" Just a place to sleep while I enjoy the Buttonwillow Speedway Raceway Track for a 2-day weekend of nothing but high speed. I went cheap so I could afford more racing fuel.

suydam

thebean said:

Life's too short and vacations are too important to me to mess with Priceline and their ilk to save a few bucks.  I always book with the hotel website itself and get all applicable discounts, like senior discount, and then I can change/cancel with no hassle.  I worked hard and saved for 40 years and I'm going to enjoy my money as long as it lasts.

I've done both. Priceline works well if you know the area you'll be staying and specify 4 star or higher. I've gotten gtreat rates in downtown Philly that way, which has horrendous rates. All very nice hotels. Air B&B has worked well too, especially where there aren't hotels near my stay. In places I know I only have 1 or 2 acceptable choices (near LA Airport comes to mind) I'll go through Expedia or the hotel website. I don't think any of those methods take much time.

fintail

I've used Priceline and Expedia extensively in my travels. I like to bid or take the mystery deals, depending on location and amenities. I have stayed in very nice places for sometimes less than half of normal rates. I've never really had a bad experience, although I have learned to spend a little more when staying in Georgia, as places can be cheap for a reason

graphicguy

Generally speaking, trying to influence people with gifts only got me business relationships with people who wanted more “gifts”. Did it work? Yeah! But, it worked with people I didn’t like doing business with.

However, overall my salary rose 20%-30% for each move to another company over what I would have made sticking with whatever company I happened to be working for at the time.

One friend of mine said my resume could easily be a novella as a result, though!

explorerx4

Hearing ominous sounds from down the street, the first house on the street is getting a new roof.

abacomike

isellhondas said:

To my eye the 2018 Sonata beats the 2018 Accord and the 2018 Camry in the styling and looks dept. Primarily due to the front end (grill, etc.) looks.

Looks are so subjective. In ten years the Sonata will be worth a whole lot less then the Accord or Camry if that's important. I'll say Hyundai has come a LONG, LONG way!

I agree. If I was going to keep a car for 10 years I'd buy a Honda new. If I was doing the same on a 3 year old used car I'd take the Hyundai.

I would probably do the same thing. A three year old Sonata is a lot of car for the money.

Why was your post “flagged” isell?  I don’t see anything wrong with what you said/wrote!  

driver100

graphicguy said:

Generally speaking, trying to influence people with gifts only got me business relationships with people who wanted more “gifts”. Did it work? Yeah! But, it worked with people I didn’t like doing business with.

However, overall my salary rose 20%-30% for each move to another company over what I would have made sticking with whatever company I happened to be working for at the time.

One friend of mine said my resume could easily be a novella as a result, though!

Now days HR people think it is a liability if you stay with one employer for too long - you aren't adventurous, you are prone to getting stale. Changing jobs is the new way to climb the ladder.

Offering a bribe, kind of says you are susceptible to a bribe too. It also means you don't think enough of the hiring person....you think they can be influenced by a bribe,

I once had to deal with a department store buyer who always liked to be taken out to fancy restaurants. Once she picked one that had valet service .......... very expensive. One day she got canned....a towel salesman complained when she gave him an order for expensive samples she wanted, in order to get his product into the stores. That was against company policy, as it should be.

driver100

abacomike said:

isellhondas said:

oldfarmer50 said:

isellhondas said:

houdini1 said:

To my eye the 2018 Sonata beats the 2018 Accord and the 2018 Camry in the styling and looks dept. Primarily due to the front end (grill, etc.) looks.

Looks are so subjective. In ten years the Sonata will be worth a whole lot less then the Accord or Camry if that's important. I'll say Hyundai has come a LONG, LONG way!

I agree. If I was going to keep a car for 10 years I'd buy a Honda new. If I was doing the same on a 3 year old used car I'd take the Hyundai.

I would probably do the same thing. A three year old Sonata is a lot of car for the money.

Why was your post “flagged” isell?  I don’t see anything wrong with what you said/wrote!  

Someone who hates Sonata's?

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

This is why, even though I really want one, I keep procrastinating on looking. I hate the process now. Will try to just target direct contacts, or specific recruiter

You should become a bus driver. I can walk into any school district in the country and have a job in 5 minutes.

That job and septic tank pumper are always looking.

Seriously, I'm looking to go back to driving part time in a few months and there are lots of options. Everything from moving rentals like Sandman to driving a box truck across country.

It's like buying a car, much better when you don't need to.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

I think they are even better values new. You get the extra 5 years of powertrain warranty that way too, and with the big discounts, the savings going with a 3 YO model is not as big as you might think.

Well I certainly wouldn't buy a Honda used. The prices they ask around here for 15 yo 150k mlies is crazy.

oldfarmer50

isellhondas said:

driver100 said:

You only offer a 10 year warranty if you want to expand your customer base. You don't do it if you don't have to.
Mitsu has been offering 10 year warranties for awhile now.....almost an act of desperation in their case.

Except there ARE shoppers who we used to call "warranty freaks"! To these people the length of the warranty is the MAIN thing that matters to them! Honda and Toyota would sell more cars if they were to offer this and it would cost them very little or nothing if they simply rolled that into the MSRP. As far as Mitsu, they are almost non existent at least around here. I don't believe they even made an appearance at last year's Car Show.

Mitsubishi is doing well in my area with two dealerships within 10 miles of each other. The ten year warranty didn't do me any good since the few minor things happened after the 5 year bumper to bumper was done.

I'm a low mileage freak on used cars but I'd rather have no warranty than have to fight to get it honored.