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stickguy

true snake. But it was only about $2.50/month, so seemed like a reasonable addition. 5 year loan that she hopes to pay off early (after student loans of course).

bwia

A Maine resident shoots neighbor’s cow after it scratches his car. Talk about mad cow disease.

A family cow was shot and killed Wednesday morning in rural Maine after police said the animal wandered from its owner’s property and scratched a parked SUV. The cow — a young female heifer — rubbed its horns against the rear fender of a Lincoln Navigator parked on the property and damaged it. A person living in the house on the property came outside armed with a .45-caliber handgun and shot the cow, which wandered to a nearby field, where it was shot a second time. Read full article at:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/09/07/maine-resident-shoots-neighbor-cow-after-scratches-car/ZU8CggBgTsRxoGCipLRCpL/story.html

imidazol97

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/09/07/maine-resident-shoots-neighbor-cow-after-scratches-car/ZU8CggBgTsRxoGCipLRCpL/story.html

Holy Cow. Does it take two weeks?

"District Attorney Maeghan Maloney, whose jurisdiction includes Maine’s Somerset and Kennebec counties, said she would make a decision on whether to file charges in the next two weeks."

If it's taking two weeks, it's politics and not law. I can probably call in to WLW 700's show on Saturday morning 9 to 11 with Mike Allen who used to be prosecuting attorney for Hamilton County, and he would render the decision on the air, then and there, whether the shooter would be prosecuted.

ab348

Cripes!

Mr_Shiftright

Somebody needs a hug AND an interview with a psychologist.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

stickguy said:

when she was going through the online "configure your policy" steps GAP was one of the optional extras (along with towing, rental car, etc.). I did not read the fine print, but it was cheap so she got it. The finance person said it only paid a portion (which seems kinda odd) but we decided to roll the dice anyway and self insure.

Unless you're rolling negative equity into a new purchase and putting nothing down (a different issue all together) and taking out a 84 month loan you're likely better off rolling the dice and not taking GAP. The odds of totalling a car are slim.

A person with negative equity and who pays zero down....probably really needs GAP insurance even more, they could easily be out $10000 or more. The Replacement insurance for the 2015 E400, a $72000 car, was $60 a year.

driver100

I just got an email from Edmunds:
Hi
Guaranteed Auto Protection (GAP) insurance covers the difference between what your new car is worth and what you owe on it.
Do you need it? And if so, how do you get the best deal? Our article fills in the details so you can make an educated decision.
Being on the inside helps you make smarter choices.
Your Edmunds Insider team

They sure picked up on that fast.

Drivingfool

JM, I live about 10 minutes away so he could leave the keys with me and I can give 'em to you. Easy peasy, lol!!

Mr. Driving Fool

jmonroe1

Drivingfool said:

JM, I live about 10 minutes away so he could leave the keys with me and I can give 'em to you. Easy peasy, lol!!

Mr. Driving Fool

On the surface that sounds pretty good, BUT, can I really trust a guy that changed his name. At least @jmonroe1 is a derivative of @jmonroe .

jmonroe

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

I just got an email from Edmunds:
Hi
Guaranteed Auto Protection (GAP) insurance covers the difference between what your new car is worth and what you owe on it.
Do you need it? And if so, how do you get the best deal? Our article fills in the details so you can make an educated decision.
Being on the inside helps you make smarter choices.
Your Edmunds Insider team

They sure picked up on that fast.

That was just a coincidence.

jmonroe

thebean

No excuse for shooting that poor cow. That guy should be fully prosecuted. I'm afraid if it had been my cow, I'd be in jail now for whipping that guy's rear-end severely. Only cowards do that stuff.

carnaught

thebean said:

No excuse for shooting that poor cow. That guy should be fully prosecuted. I'm afraid if it had been my cow, I'd be in jail now for whipping that guy's rear-end severely. Only cowards do that stuff.

Like the cow knew what it was doing and did it on purpose.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

stickguy said:

when we got my daughters new Jetta last month, the finance person offered GAP protection as one of the extras. she actually signed up for that on her car insurance, since she only put about 10% down. I told her to try and avoid totaling the car, since I don't think Progressive pays the total amount.

Wouldn't that depend on the type of policy your daughter has?

jmonroe

jmonroe1 is a real pain in the ___. He is a real instigator, nice word for ---- d--------.

And that's on days when I'm being nice. :@

jmonroe

imidazol97

Dangerous driving with the slow rain we're having. Had a lady decide to back a Dodge pickup truck with 360 degree visibility from the cab as I slowly moved down between the rows of parked vehicles. I accelerated to get past her so she wouldn't hit my rear side, since she didn't stop backing when I blew the horn.


My wife said the lady acted like I did something wrong. Ssssssshhhhhheeeeeeessssssssshhhhhhh.

bwia

thebean said:

No excuse for shooting that poor cow. That guy should be fully prosecuted. I'm afraid if it had been my cow, I'd be in jail now for whipping that guy's rear-end severely. Only cowards do that stuff.

The cow was excuted with malicious intent. He shot the cow once, then when it wandered away he shot it again. Such cruelty should be punished with extreme prejudice.

For his punishment (in addition to a prison sentence) he should be branded with a hot iron and forced to wear a cow bell around his neck.

jmonroe1

imidazol97 said:

Dangerous driving with the slow rain we're having. Had a lady decide to back a Dodge pickup truck with 360 degree visibility from the cab as I slowly moved down between the rows of parked vehicles. I accelerated to get past her so she wouldn't hit my rear side, since she didn't stop backing when I blew the horn.


My wife said the lady acted like I did something wrong. Ssssssshhhhhheeeeeeessssssssshhhhhhh.

I've seen a lot of stuff like that in parking lots the last few years. Is it just a Burgh thing or is it everywhere. By that I mean, some of the largest pickups are driven by seniors and half of them use handicap spots and a lot of them are women. Like I've said before...I should get a pickup for self defense.

jmonroe

Mr_Shiftright

In a rainstorm, I usually do take my 4X4 and leave the Mini at home. Some part of me says that a sub-compact is a "smaller target" and another part of me says "yeah, but what if they HIT the target?"

oldfarmer50

henryn said:

26k miles on an 18 year old car is a little strange. Did the car sit in that pasture (as shown) for 15 of those 18 years? I would not be too happy about that. I think this would really require a very good PPI.

You have to remember we're talking about a Grand Maquis here. It could very well have sat in a garage most of the time. I agree a PPI would be required.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer50,
Did they have any pictures of the real damage on the right side?

Not in the ad. Only "after" pictures.

oldfarmer50

bwia said:

thebean said:

No excuse for shooting that poor cow. That guy should be fully prosecuted. I'm afraid if it had been my cow, I'd be in jail now for whipping that guy's rear-end severely. Only cowards do that stuff.

The cow was excuted with malicious intent. He shot the cow once, then when it wandered away he shot it again. Such cruelty should be punished with extreme prejudice.

For his punishment (in addition to a prison sentence) he should be branded with a hot iron and forced to wear a cow bell around his neck.

That's a little extreme isn't it? Torture as a punishment for animal cruelty? It depends on the laws of the state but usually livestock is considered personal property and shooting the cow would be like scratching your neighbor's car in retaliation for him scratching yours. More a civil penalty rather than criminal. They might be able to charge him criminally for the second shot as a deliberate act of cruelty. I suppose the real animal rights activists would want the farmer charged too as a slave owner.

Every year we hear stories of downstate "city folk" coming up and shooting cows because they thought they were deer.

qbrozen

Maybe he thought the cow was trying to steal his Lincoln. 

imidazol97

qbrozen said:

Maybe he thought the cow was trying to steal his Lincoln. 

Likely the cow thought it was a Lincoln Red, and just wanting to bump horns in greeting.

https://www.google.com/search?q=lincoln+red&oq=lincoln+red&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.3132j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

suydam

The cow is valuable property so the car owner should reimburse for it. The cow did nothing intentional, the car owner did. When I lived in a rural area it was common for cows (and once a bull!) to occasionally get loose. We just chased them off the road and tried to find the owner, or called the sheriff because he/she would probably know whose it was. Someone who would shoot a cow who wasn’t threatening him and was just in the wrong place is not someone I want to know.

imidazol97

Is the farmer responsible for damages by cow due to farmer's not keeping animal controlled,?

My instinct says yes. But something on memory says escape is unforseen on farmers part unless negligent. Damages by heifer would be just happened, that's life.

28firefighter

Responsibility for cows actions sounds like a first year torts class case. I have purged that from my memory. 

I have to agree with @suydam - there is no reason to take a life like that. 

stickguy

took advantage of the abnormally cool (down right cold) and cloudy weather today to winterize the RDX. Wash, clay bar, and a wax job. Super shiny, and smooth as glass. Even the wife was impressed by it.

now I don't want to take it out of the garage

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:
That's a little extreme isn't it? Torture as a punishment for animal cruelty? It depends on the laws of the state but usually livestock is considered personal property and shooting the cow would be like scratching your neighbor's car in retaliation for him scratching yours. More a civil penalty rather than criminal. They might be able to charge him criminally for the second shot as a deliberate act of cruelty.

You might be able to get him on reckless discharge of a firearm.

Or at the very least littering.

imidazol97

On the pet cow question, I looked for more info on the net. I found this story in video showing the owner of the pet sniffling. The commentator says there have been problems on the property with other pets from the cow folks.

I didn't hear the story teller asking why the cow owner was letting her cow roam or get out of the bounds of their property On the farm we had these things called "fences."

Listening to the owner say that fixing things would have been that she would have gone out and got her...

I'm glad tI don't live next to these folks.

It's like Judge Judy telling pet owners when their dog just happened to get out the front door or through that insufficient fence or gate and attack another animal that claiming it wasn't their fault doesn't cut the mustard.

And keeping a pet cow? Do they take it on trips with them? Is it allowed in Walmart because it's a service animal? The sniffling owner didn't impress me. Cows are food animals, milk and meat.

https://www.wmtw.com/article/maine-familys-pet-cow-shot-killed/23020392

Sandman6472

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stickguy

Sandy, sounds like the one device has your log in saved. at some point Edmunds will probably make you sign in again on that one too.

roadburner

imidazol97 said:

On the pet cow question, I looked for more info on the net. I found this story in video showing the owner of the pet sniffling. The commentator says there have been problems on the property with other pets from the cow folks.

I didn't hear the story teller asking why the cow owner was letting her cow roam or get out of the bounds of their property On the farm we had these things called "fences."

Listening to the owner say that fixing things would have been that she would have gone out and got her...

I'm glad tI don't live next to these folks.

It's like Judge Judy telling pet owners when their dog just happened to get out the front door or through that insufficient fence or gate and attack another animal that claiming it wasn't their fault doesn't cut the mustard.

And keeping a pet cow? Do they take it on trips with them? Is it allowed in Walmart because it's a service animal? The sniffling owner didn't impress me. Cows are food animals, milk and meat.

https://www.wmtw.com/article/maine-familys-pet-cow-shot-killed/23020392

We had neighbors who would let their horse out to graze in our pastures- without permission of course(they would claim there was a break in the fence). One day we found the horses running loose so we led them out to the other side of our farm and released them into town. The owners spent the better part of a day and a night rounding them up.
Don't get me started on "Service Animals." I had a city resident ask that his goats be exempted from our "No livestock" ordinance on the grounds that the goats were "Emotional Support Animals."

imidazol97

sandman_6472 said:

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It's good to see Sandman back! I hope you can recover the sign in on whatever devices you're using.

Note to others about occasional sign in attempts that don't work on automatic.
I thought my problem was Chrome (Google) browser using the previous homepage which was forums.edmunds.com/a whole bunch of stuff for the link to bookmarks.

I corrected that to the new log in which is forums.edmunds.com/discussions/bookmarked

But occasionally my chrome ended up with the login box on the left instead of the right and was trying to log in through the old pattern using a URL that had a whole bunch of stuff after the forward slash mark. It was using one of the pages I'd looked at that were stored in the previous URL's. On trying to log in, chrome would select one of those that contained what I"d already typed and use it to auto-complete.

I have tried deleting those one-by-one out of the old list, but chrome keeps saving them. So when I type
"forums.edmunds.com and hit enter expecting Chrome to autocomplete with the "/discussions/bookmarked" it instead chose another one out of the flyout menu under the URL line.

I have to redo the entry and make sure the autocomplete part is deleted before pressing Enter.

ab348

There are still a lot of issues here with logging in depending on your situation. The fix for the iPhone Safari browser still has not happened. And my experience with the desktop in my office the other day was ridiculously hard.

abacomike

thebean said:

No excuse for shooting that poor cow. That guy should be fully prosecuted. I'm afraid if it had been my cow, I'd be in jail now for whipping that guy's rear-end severely. Only cowards do that stuff.

I wonder if the word “coward” was derived from a cowboy deliberately shooting a helpless “cow” with his Colt .45 while leaning “forward” in his saddle.  

Back in in those days (1860’s) shooting animals was as common as shooting humans.

So when you mentioned “...only cowards do that stuff...” I put 2 and 2 together and came up with “cow shooters”! 

abacomike

ab348 said:

There are still a lot of issues here with logging in depending on your situation. The fix for the iPhone Safari browser still has not happened. And my experience with the desktop in my office the other day was ridiculously hard.

I use my iPhone 7+ to post here 99% of the time and have not really had any problems.

snakeweasel

roadburner said:

On the pet cow question, I looked for more info on the net. I found this story in video showing the owner of the pet sniffling. The commentator says there have been problems on the property with other pets from the cow folks. I didn't hear the story teller asking why the cow owner was letting her cow roam or get out of the bounds of their property On the farm we had these things called "fences." Listening to the owner say that fixing things would have been that she would have gone out and got her... I'm glad tI don't live next to these folks. It's like Judge Judy telling pet owners when their dog just happened to get out the front door or through that insufficient fence or gate and attack another animal that claiming it wasn't their fault doesn't cut the mustard. And keeping a pet cow? Do they take it on trips with them? Is it allowed in Walmart because it's a service animal? The sniffling owner didn't impress me. Cows are food animals, milk and meat. https://www.wmtw.com/article/maine-familys-pet-cow-shot-killed/23020392

We had neighbors who would let their horse out to graze in our pastures- without permission of course(they would claim there was a break in the fence). One day we found the horses running loose so we led them out to the other side of our farm and released them into town. The owners spent the better part of a day and a night rounding them up. Don't get me started on "Service Animals." I had a city resident ask that his goats be exempted from our "No livestock" ordinance on the grounds that the goats were "Emotional Support Animals."

I do believe the law makes a distinction between service animals and emotional support animals.

snakeweasel

abacomike said:

thebean said:

No excuse for shooting that poor cow. That guy should be fully prosecuted. I'm afraid if it had been my cow, I'd be in jail now for whipping that guy's rear-end severely. Only cowards do that stuff.

I wonder if the word “coward” was derived from a cowboy deliberately shooting a helpless “cow” with his Colt .45 while leaning “forward” in his saddle.  

Back in in those days (1860’s) shooting animals was as common as shooting humans.

So when you mentioned “...only cowards do that stuff...” I put 2 and 2 together and came up with “cow shooters”! 

By 1860's I suspect you mean the Civil War. If not back in the old west shooting humans was rather uncommon.

snakeweasel

abacomike said:

ab348 said:

There are still a lot of issues here with logging in depending on your situation. The fix for the iPhone Safari browser still has not happened. And my experience with the desktop in my office the other day was ridiculously hard.

I use my iPhone 7+ to post here 99% of the time and have not really had any problems.

Galaxy S6 here and it's been problem free.

abacomike

Boy, gas prices are sure on the rise.  I noticed quite a bit of difference in prices up here from down in South Florida.  My local Costco was at $3.05 a gallon for PUG which is good compared to other TopTier gasoline locally.  Up here, PUG is at $3.40 a gallon.

Wonder why prices are so high lately.

abacomike

snakeweasel said:

abacomike said:

thebean said:

No excuse for shooting that poor cow. That guy should be fully prosecuted. I'm afraid if it had been my cow, I'd be in jail now for whipping that guy's rear-end severely. Only cowards do that stuff.

I wonder if the word “coward” was derived from a cowboy deliberately shooting a helpless “cow” with his Colt .45 while leaning “forward” in his saddle.  

Back in in those days (1860’s) shooting animals was as common as shooting humans.

So when you mentioned “...only cowards do that stuff...” I put 2 and 2 together and came up with “cow shooters”! 

By 1860's I suspect you mean the Civil War. If not back in the old west shooting humans was rather uncommon.

I don’t know about that - I got my info from watching “High Noon”, “Rio Lobo”, “Wagon Train”, “Paladin”, “How The West Was Won”, “The Rifleman”, “Shane”, and many more factual data I accumulated in my brain over the years.  Are you telling me I have been misinformed by Hollywood?  Nah, can’t be!  Why would they do that to us?  

imidazol97

abacomike said:

Boy, gas prices are sure on the rise.  I noticed quite a bit of difference in prices up here from down in South Florida.  My local Costco was at $3.05 a gallon for PUG which is good compared to other TopTier gasoline locally.  Up here, PUG is at $3.40 a gallon.

Wonder why prices are so high lately.

Florence?

roadburner

snakeweasel said:

roadburner said:

imidazol97 said:

On the pet cow question, I looked for more info on the net. I found this story in video showing the owner of the pet sniffling. The commentator says there have been problems on the property with other pets from the cow folks.

I didn't hear the story teller asking why the cow owner was letting her cow roam or get out of the bounds of their property On the farm we had these things called "fences."

Listening to the owner say that fixing things would have been that she would have gone out and got her...

I'm glad tI don't live next to these folks.

It's like Judge Judy telling pet owners when their dog just happened to get out the front door or through that insufficient fence or gate and attack another animal that claiming it wasn't their fault doesn't cut the mustard.

And keeping a pet cow? Do they take it on trips with them? Is it allowed in Walmart because it's a service animal? The sniffling owner didn't impress me. Cows are food animals, milk and meat.

https://www.wmtw.com/article/maine-familys-pet-cow-shot-killed/23020392

We had neighbors who would let their horse out to graze in our pastures- without permission of course(they would claim there was a break in the fence). One day we found the horses running loose so we led them out to the other side of our farm and released them into town. The owners spent the better part of a day and a night rounding them up.
Don't get me started on "Service Animals." I had a city resident ask that his goats be exempted from our "No livestock" ordinance on the grounds that the goats were "Emotional Support Animals."

I do believe the law makes a distinction between service animals and emotional support animals.

It does- much to Mr. Goatherd's chagrin.

Mr_Shiftright

abacomike said:

thebean said:

No excuse for shooting that poor cow. That guy should be fully prosecuted. I'm afraid if it had been my cow, I'd be in jail now for whipping that guy's rear-end severely. Only cowards do that stuff.

I wonder if the word “coward” was derived from a cowboy deliberately shooting a helpless “cow” with his Colt .45 while leaning “forward” in his saddle.  

Back in in those days (1860’s) shooting animals was as common as shooting humans.

So when you mentioned “...only cowards do that stuff...” I put 2 and 2 together and came up with “cow shooters”! 
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Big Game Cow Hunters?

ab348

abacomike said:

I use my iPhone 7+ to post here 99% of the time and have not really had any problems.

I can use my iPhone7 to post but I had to install Firefox, not use Safari like I used to. Others have had the same problem.

carnaught

Hmm, my iPad works fine with Safari.

henryn

RE: Gap insurance

A quick google search found this:

Pearse says Travelers calculates gap insurance premiums at roughly 5 percent to 6 percent of the premium for collision and comprehensive insurance you have on the car. On a $1,400 annual premium — with $420 to $560 of that typically for collision and comprehensive — gap insurance would cost $20 to $30. And the cost goes down along with the cost of collision and comprehensive as the vehicle ages.
Pearse says one of the biggest mistakes consumers make in buying car gap insurance is to buy it at the dealership where it costs more. “It’s the belief that you can only purchase it from the vehicle manufacturer at the time of sale,” he says. “The truth is that you can purchase it any time and insurance companies are less expensive.”

If you are upside down on your car loan (or lease), then you most definitely should spend that $20 or $30 a year. But do it through your insurance company. Just my opinion, of course.

And on that pet cow: My opinion would be that the owner of the cow should be responsible for any damage caused by the cow. And I also agree with @thebean, I would have had a few choice words (or more) with the idiot who shot my cow.

ab348

carnaught said:

Hmm, my iPad works fine with Safari.

That may be because an iPad is not an iPhone. Or perhaps not - my iPad wasn’t used for the last 10 days or so and now I can’t login there either. Its problem is different from the iPhone though. It will let me access the correct login screen but when I enter my credentials it just sits there with a spinning wheel. 

Edit: after spinning around for perhaps 5-10 minutes (I gave up watching after a while and left to clean the tables in the living room) it actually did log me in on the iPad. But that requires access to a screen I cannot access using Safari on the iPhone. On the iPad the "sign in" link is *just* barely accessible at the bottom of the window. Can't get to that link at all on the iPhone using Safari, though no problem if using Firefox.

28firefighter

Wishing all of my fellow posters who celebrate a L’Shana Tovah U’Metukah - A happy, healthy, and sweet new year to you and your families!

snakeweasel

abacomike said:

snakeweasel said:

abacomike said:

thebean said:

No excuse for shooting that poor cow. That guy should be fully prosecuted. I'm afraid if it had been my cow, I'd be in jail now for whipping that guy's rear-end severely. Only cowards do that stuff.

I wonder if the word “coward” was derived from a cowboy deliberately shooting a helpless “cow” with his Colt .45 while leaning “forward” in his saddle.  

Back in in those days (1860’s) shooting animals was as common as shooting humans.

So when you mentioned “...only cowards do that stuff...” I put 2 and 2 together and came up with “cow shooters”! 

By 1860's I suspect you mean the Civil War. If not back in the old west shooting humans was rather uncommon.

I don’t know about that - I got my info from watching “High Noon”, “Rio Lobo”, “Wagon Train”, “Paladin”, “How The West Was Won”, “The Rifleman”, “Shane”, and many more factual data I accumulated in my brain over the years.  Are you telling me I have been misinformed by Hollywood?  Nah, can’t be!  Why would they do that to us?  

Yeah you were more likely to die of boredom than if a bullet back then. The famous Lincoln County War lasted over 3 years but only resulted in 21 deaths. It really wasn't what Hollywood portrays, but reality was rather boring.

jmonroe1

snakeweasel said:

abacomike said:

snakeweasel said:

abacomike said:

thebean said:

No excuse for shooting that poor cow. That guy should be fully prosecuted. I'm afraid if it had been my cow, I'd be in jail now for whipping that guy's rear-end severely. Only cowards do that stuff.

I wonder if the word “coward” was derived from a cowboy deliberately shooting a helpless “cow” with his Colt .45 while leaning “forward” in his saddle.  

Back in in those days (1860’s) shooting animals was as common as shooting humans.

So when you mentioned “...only cowards do that stuff...” I put 2 and 2 together and came up with “cow shooters”! 

By 1860's I suspect you mean the Civil War. If not back in the old west shooting humans was rather uncommon.

I don’t know about that - I got my info from watching “High Noon”, “Rio Lobo”, “Wagon Train”, “Paladin”, “How The West Was Won”, “The Rifleman”, “Shane”, and many more factual data I accumulated in my brain over the years.  Are you telling me I have been misinformed by Hollywood?  Nah, can’t be!  Why would they do that to us?  

Yeah you were more likely to die of boredom than if a bullet back then. The famous Lincoln County War lasted over 3 years but only resulted in 21 deaths. It really wasn't what Hollywood portrays, but reality was rather boring.

Just like today. As best I know no one has ever