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  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    jmonroe1 said:
    speaking of iPhones, my daughter texted Friday night that hers took a short bath in the toilet. It was a well used 6, that she was only nursing along because she was too cheap to buy a new one. after some time in rice, it sorta worked but no sound. which makes phone calls, kinda tough. so, off to the Verizon store. after some looking, ended up with a new 8. The latest version was quite whiz bang features wise, but also quite a bit more money. So for $25/month, the 8 was more than fine for her. Works a whole lot better too!
    As long as you weren't asked to be the fisherman that wasn't so bad. Someone told me a while back that the price of rice went up due to the discovery of it's secondary use. I don't really believe this but it kinda sounds possible. jmonroe
    I buy rice by the 25 pound bag (wife is Philipino) and I can say that the price of rice really has not gone up.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    bwia said:
    Are you ‘more dumber’ than your smartphone? Thought I'd share this short piece to wit: "Take what happened on September 6, 2012: A happy couple meandered through the scenic subarctic hinterlands of Alaska on their way to the Fairbanks International Airport. Although a human was at the wheel, the role of navigator belonged solely to Siri, the iPhone’s virtual assistant. This couple put all confidence in Siri’s ability. When ‘she’ instructed them to turn right, they turned right. When ‘she’ told them to turn left, they complied. They had so much faith in Siri, in fact, that when her instructions guided them through the airport’s motion-activated security gate and down a mile’s worth of flashing warning lights and a series of signs reading no cars allowed, they drove on, ultimately parking on the airport’s landing field. A737 careened dangerously close to them but luckily avoided what could quite possibly have been the worst t-boning in the history of man." Read full article at http://blog.aicpa.org/2018/09/are-you-more-dumber-than-your-smartphone.html#sthash.MXq0FQqU.dpbs
    There have been many times a GPS system told me to go a certain way and I looked that way and said "ah, no".

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,714
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    I think the bitterness comes not from people using the "safety net" but from people abusing it. as much as 50% of those funds are wasted due to corruption, think of what we could do for the truly needy if it wasn't for the corruption. 
    Misuse of the benefits is a skill passed along from abuser to abuser. Even the school systems have a person who goes from school to school to be sure young mothers-to-be and fathers-to-be know of what benefits they can "earn." The most interesting fact was that with the second child comes apartment subsidy from the "government." My wife's a retired teacher and couple of different friends worked these positions.



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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,714
    edited September 2018
    Someone earlier said that Android phones are not updated after a short time. My Androids are locked because they are Tracfones, so they don't update the OS.

    Do other Androids update for years to the newer OS versions?

    I'll have to ask my son about his Galaxy S6 or S7 whichever it is... It's a bring-your-own-phone on Net10 system, which is Tracfone.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Our phones are our cameras as this point. We use it for everything because we always have it and the photo quality is outstanding (for our purposes).
    I use a 10 year old Nikon DSLR camera with 10 megapixels that blows away any camera on any phone as far as picture quality goes.

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  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,109
    Yep, but you can’t make phone calls with it. Of course any stand alone camera will be better, but you have to have it with you. I wind up using my cell phone camera most of the time now.
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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,869
    I would believe it. DSLRs are great if you take the time to understand how they work, how to take great pictures, understand the varying lenses, speeds, and exposure settings. We are certainly not those folks. For us, we want a balance of high picture quality, ease of use, and speed to access - Sam moves quickly and there are somethings we just don't want to miss messing with a DSLR.

    My wife's iPhone X has a 12 MP camera with one regular lens and one telephoto lens. They're excellent for us and most seem to agree.
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  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191
    edited September 2018

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    I use a 10 year old Nikon DSLR camera with 10 megapixels that blows away any camera on any phone as far as picture quality goes.

    Most people think it's the "megapixels" that counts. It's not. It's the lens. Now look at your Nikon's lenses and look at lenses in the phones. The answer is quite obvious. Phone cameras are great for what they are - convenient tool to snap a quick photo of something and make a memory. Not a bad thing, sufficient for majority of the people. But no photo enthusiast (like my late father) would seriously consider a phone camera in the same sentence as your Nikon.

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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    @iluvmysephia - here you go. It shouldn't be too far out of the way to take a test drive:

    https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/cto/d/2011-mini-cooper-turbo-fully/6700784512.html


    Nah - I want the cosier ride of the Sentra, great Japanese build quality and a new car Warranty. I have a guy in El Paso texting me now. He wanted to charge me $21,890 for a base Sentra S manual. I said that's way too much and he asked what would you want to pay? I said $13,500 OTD and he said "when would you like to come in?"


    This is only 90 miles away from us instead of 600 miles away!

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  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191
    edited September 2018
    What's the MSRP on this? How did he get to 22 grand and how did you get to 13.5 OTD? With this kind of spread, I smell a rat. But worst case scenario, you just added 200 miles to your Kia and lost time.

    2018 430i Gran Coupe

  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,404


    Just had our roof inspected, other than some very minor hail damage it was in pretty good shape and we don't need any work done on it. its 16 years old now, original roof to the house.

    My next-door neighbor just had a new steel roof installed. I remember when the previous owner had it reshingled a decade or so ago but the new owner said that she lost some shingles over the winter so went this route. It wasn't cheap, over $6K, and the 2-man crew had it all done in about 6 hours. They didn't remove the old shingles, just installed wood stringers on top of them and then installed the metal panels to those. Strikes me as a profitable trade.

    I look forward to watching the avalanches this winter as snow buildup slides off. Another neighbor across the street has a similar roof and you can hear the sound of the snow letting go from inside my house with the windows shut.

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  • bwiabwia Member Posts: 2,913
    The verdict is in. The Cadillac XT4 is here and by all reviews Cadillac has hit a home run with this new baby SUV. Interior design was inspired by the 1957 Eldorado Brougham and the pricing starting at $35K is in the sweet spot. Will it sell? Perhaps but the competition is going to be tough from the Volvo XC40, Audi Q3, Mercedes Benz GLA, etc.

    Personally the XT4 looks more like an entry level luxury SUV than a true luxury vehicle that the Cadillac name suggests. It appears that GM did not try hard enough to differntiate the XT4 from Chevy Equinox or the GMC Terrain. But what do I know about the car biz compared to former Cadillac CEO Johan de Nysschen who conceived this baby. His legacy will live on for the next five years at least.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,404
    bwia said:

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    Personally the XT4 looks more like an entry level luxury SUV than a true luxury vehicle that the Cadillac name suggests. It appears that GM did not try hard enough to differntiate the XT4 from Chevy Equinox or the GMC Terrain. But what do I know about the car biz compared to former Cadillac CEO Johan de Nysschen who conceived this baby. His legacy will live on for the next five years at least.

    It is apparently on its own platform and is smaller than those vehicles you mention. I think it needs more engine power and refinement from the reviews I've read so far, but we will see, given the bias so many of today's auto writers seem to have.

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  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191
    Cadillac name suggest the same thing as BMW, or MB, at least for some people. If they have "entry level" products, so can Cadillac. .

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  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,425

    I’m still stuck on driving 8 hours for a Nissan Sentra. You really can’t strike a deal for one of these in El Paso, Las Cruces, or heck even in Albuquerque?  Just because it isn’t advertised doesn’t mean you can’t get it....

    Also, please get the SR Turbo or something. Don’t just get the S. 

    Only a day and I'm already half way to my prediction of coming changes. I should have taken the odds when they were offered. :@

    jmonroe
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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    What's the MSRP on this? How did he get to 22 grand and how did you get to 13.5 OTD? With this kind of spread, I smell a rat. But worst case scenario, you just added 200 miles to your Kia and lost time.

    MSRP is $16,990. My trade-in could change the outcome but not by much. $13,500 OTD.

    2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick

  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 265,451

    @iluvmysephia - here you go. It shouldn't be too far out of the way to take a test drive:

    https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/cto/d/2011-mini-cooper-turbo-fully/6700784512.html


    Nah - I want the cosier ride of the Sentra, great Japanese build quality and a new car Warranty. I have a guy in El Paso texting me now. He wanted to charge me $21,890 for a base Sentra S manual. I said that's way too much and he asked what would you want to pay? I said $13,500 OTD and he said "when would you like to come in?"


    This is only 90 miles away from us instead of 600 miles away!

    Now you need to take that quote to the dealer in Las Cruces - which is even closer - and see if they can match the El Paso dealer offer.

    Also, there is a $1500 customer incentive and 0% financing for up to 60 months; 2.9% for 61-72 months.

    Not that I'm enabling you or anything ….

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,432
    edited September 2018

    I’m still stuck on driving 8 hours for a Nissan Sentra. You really can’t strike a deal for one of these in El Paso, Las Cruces, or heck even in Albuquerque?  Just because it isn’t advertised doesn’t mean you can’t get it....

    Also, please get the SR Turbo or something. Don’t just get the S. 

    iluv said he might "yelp in excitement" driving an SR Turbo; in the S he runs the very real risk that he will snooze in monotony.

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  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    dino001 said:
    < I use a 10 year old Nikon DSLR camera with 10 megapixels that blows away any camera on any phone as far as picture quality goes.
    Most people think it's the "megapixels" that counts. It's not. It's the lens. Now look at your Nikon's lenses and look at lenses in the phones. The answer is quite obvious. Phone cameras are great for what they are - convenient tool to snap a quick photo of something and make a memory. Not a bad thing, sufficient for majority of the people. But no photo enthusiast (like my late father) would seriously consider a phone camera in the same sentence as your Nikon.
    Yes the lens plays a big difference but an even bigger difference is the size of the sensor. The Nikon has a much bigger sensor so it can capture a lot more data.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Someone earlier said that Android phones are not updated after a short time. My Androids are locked because they are Tracfones, so they don't update the OS. Do other Androids update for years to the newer OS versions? I'll have to ask my son about his Galaxy S6 or S7 whichever it is... It's a bring-your-own-phone on Net10 system, which is Tracfone.
    My phone is over 2 years old and was just updated.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    Now you need to take that quote to the dealer in Las Cruces - which is even closer - and see if they can match the El Paso dealer offer.

    Also, there is a $1500 customer incentive and 0% financing for up to 60 months; 2.9% for 61-72 months.

    Not that I'm enabling you or anything ….


    Yes - and I want to use the Nissan 0% financing for 60 months. Reviews of the base model on Cars.com are overwhelmingly positive. The base model has Nissan Connect, which is their version of Android Auto.

    2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,432


    I think the bitterness comes not from people using the "safety net" but from people abusing it. as much as 50% of those funds are wasted due to corruption, think of what we could do for the truly needy if it wasn't for the corruption. 

    Back in the 80's I recall reading that it would be less expensive for the US government to simply send a check to each impoverished adult that was large enough to raise them above the poverty level than it was to continue to fund the government bureaucracies that allegedly address the problem.

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  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191

    What's the MSRP on this? How did he get to 22 grand and how did you get to 13.5 OTD? With this kind of spread, I smell a rat. But worst case scenario, you just added 200 miles to your Kia and lost time.

    MSRP is $16,990. My trade-in could change the outcome but not by much. $13,500 OTD.

    So if MSRP is 17 grand and his "first offer" was 22, I would be very, very weary of the guy. It's beyond ridiculous. I would read every little thing on the contract and demand paper copies for everything. Somebody, who opens with 5 grand markup on a base model is not to be trusted.

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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    edited September 2018
    iluv said he might "yelp in excitement" driving an SR Turbo; in the S he can snooze in monotony.

    For those that revel in fast-driving excitement, I give you Dale Earnhardt, Sr.


    For being a first-class *&^-hole he wound up in a nice, overpriced casket. Umm...that's where I want to end up. Not my bag, baby.

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,869
    Sigh.
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  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    fintail said:
    And not to mention, no iTunes, software so invasive and clunky it could count as a virus. How much of that "corruption" mentioned earlier is perks and bennies given to leadership? B) Regarding corruption, you can try to limit it, but it will always exist at some point.
    That's one of the things I like about Samsung, if I need more storage space all I need to do is get a new SD card. Plus when I do get a new phone all my stuff is on the SD card so moving all my music, pictures and stuff is a breeze.
    Of the corruption, I would think it's more of the ones that game the system. Those that could get a $15+ an hour full time job but opt for working just enough to get that big EIC tax refund and not jeopardize getting housing, welfare and other government aid. or that single mother of three who pays all of her household expenses while sending her kids to a private school and drives a MB SUV and living in a high rent area on $15k a year. 

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,432

    iluv said he might "yelp in excitement" driving an SR Turbo; in the S he can snooze in monotony.

    For those that revel in fast-driving excitement, I give you Dale Earnhardt, Sr.


    For being a first-class *&^-hole he wound up in a nice, overpriced casket. Umm...that's where I want to end up. Not my bag, baby.

    I have to say that it is hard for me to determine whether you truly believe what you post or whether you are putting us on.
    I'd hope it's the latter.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,432
    edited September 2018

    Sigh.

    Can you honestly say that you were surprised?

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  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    All this talk about phone leads me to this, at work they are replacing our old phone system with a VOIP system. We are all getting new phones. These new phones were just installed and until they throw the switch on the new system next week we all have two phones on our desk. The old phone is still fully operational while the new phone can only make outgoing calls so any incoming calls go to the old phone. Our extensions stay the same.

    So guess what? I can call myself. I can use the new phone dial in my extension and my old phone will ring showing my name and extension on the display. If I pick it up I can talk to myself.

    Man I need more excitement in my life.

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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    roadburner - I believe what I post. Fully and completely.

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  • thebeanthebean Member Posts: 1,276
    fintail said:

    Starving cops? Maybe in craphole places, but not in my area. 6 figures isn't uncommon with OT, and the bennies are platinum. Must be a regional thing, even today, some regions of the country are much more first-worldy than others, and the gap will only be wider in another generation.

    Teachers, especially new ones, are underpaid in most places - as the source of their funding never wants to pony up. Oh yeah, maybe we should just be thankful a chosen lucky group are paying taxes at all, it has been trickling down wonderfully for the past 35 years, lolol.

    thebean said:

    time.com/longform/teaching-in-america/

    I believe this is why the US is going to decline fairly rapidly in the next 20-30 years. We can never hope to attract great people into teaching when we pay them like this. It's disgraceful to pay celebrities millions a year and starve teachers, police, and firefighters.

    Would you risk your life every day, plus deal with the vast disrespect police put up with, for $100K/yr? It's not an ordinary job. Watch Live PD some time and tell me you would deal with all the crap these men and women do. I don't think most of us would last a week on the street. They deserve all they can get.
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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,432

    roadburner - I believe what I post. Fully and completely.

    Well, that answers that question...

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,596
    The hazards are the reason for the pay, not the 99% of the job that is far from risky. I'm not sure it has ever been in the top 10 most dangerous jobs. I have no issues with the salaries, but I don't buy any claims that there are poverty wages.

    Disrespect? Respect is to be earned, right? Probably 95%+ of the profession earns respect, but a small yet loud subset does not, and the good ones continue to protect the bad. Much of that disrespect can be linked to internal actions.
    thebean said:


    Would you risk your life every day, plus deal with the vast disrespect police put up with, for $100K/yr? It's not an ordinary job. Watch Live PD some time and tell me you would deal with all the crap these men and women do. I don't think most of us would last a week on the street. They deserve all they can get.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,596
    Probably similar to the claims by supporters of publicly financed sports facilities of positive business impacts around a given arena. I wouldn't doubt that it is more efficient to simply give the money away. But this way we get to help those who are already so overtaxed and underappreciated, so it all works out.



    Back in the 80's I recall reading that it would be less expensive for the US government to simply send a check to each impoverished adult that was large enough to raise them above the poverty level than it was to continue to fund the government bureaucracies that allegedly address the problem.

  • thebeanthebean Member Posts: 1,276

    roadburner - I believe what I post. Fully and completely.

    Step away from the bong.
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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,404

    All this talk about phone leads me to this, at work they are replacing our old phone system with a VOIP system. We are all getting new phones. These new phones were just installed and until they throw the switch on the new system next week we all have two phones on our desk. The old phone is still fully operational while the new phone can only make outgoing calls so any incoming calls go to the old phone. Our extensions stay the same.

    So guess what? I can call myself. I can use the new phone dial in my extension and my old phone will ring showing my name and extension on the display. If I pick it up I can talk to myself.

    Man I need more excitement in my life.

    Hah! I went through this myself when I was working, it was about 2012 or so. The VOIP phones worked almost the same as the old ones but many of the commands we had all memorized were just different enough to throw people off. For a few weeks it was sheer hell trying to change a voicemail greeting, do a conference, etc. The other thing was that it plugged into your PC so if you had a laptop and it was disconnected for some reason your phone did not work. Eventually it all settled out and the second phone went away.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,432
    thebean said:


    Would you risk your life every day, plus deal with the vast disrespect police put up with, for $100K/yr? It's not an ordinary job. Watch Live PD some time and tell me you would deal with all the crap these men and women do. I don't think most of us would last a week on the street. They deserve all they can get.

    Agreed; my son and I watch Live PD and he cracks up when I(usually) predict what the perp will say when questioned by an officer. The defendants often carry that same winning attitude into the courtroom and are actually surprised when the prosecutor refuses to offer a plea deal as a result.

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,869
    edited September 2018
    It's almost like you've done this for a living, @roadburner!
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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,404
    thebean said:


    Would you risk your life every day, plus deal with the vast disrespect police put up with, for $100K/yr? It's not an ordinary job. Watch Live PD some time and tell me you would deal with all the crap these men and women do. I don't think most of us would last a week on the street. They deserve all they can get.

    I have a different take on this. My perception may be different from yours because we don't have many gunfights with police up here so the job is somewhat different. First of all, nobody "deserves all they can get" in a public sector job. That sort of entitled attitude brings nothing but problems with it in that environment. We see that in our PD locally where despite most constables making 6 figures plus lavish benefits, there was a systematic ransacking purloining of cash, drugs and other evidence from the property room here for a number of years which the current chief has dragged his heels to even come clean on, much less fix, because it would make so many officers into criminals.

    I think most people who go into police work are of a certain mindset and personality type. Most of us wouldn't last a week in the job because we are not that kind of personality. While some seem to have a genuine desire to help people and seek to correct injustice, many others seem to delight in simply having power over citizens. I noticed as well in my work life, where we hired retired PD officers to run our security and loss prevention units, that the longer one is in the police force, the more rigid, jaundiced and discriminatory they seem to become.

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  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289
    ab348 said:

    thebean said:


    Would you risk your life every day, plus deal with the vast disrespect police put up with, for $100K/yr? It's not an ordinary job. Watch Live PD some time and tell me you would deal with all the crap these men and women do. I don't think most of us would last a week on the street. They deserve all they can get.

    I have a different take on this. My perception may be different from yours because we don't have many gunfights with police up here so the job is somewhat different. First of all, nobody "deserves all they can get" in a public sector job. That sort of entitled attitude brings nothing but problems with it in that environment. We see that in our PD locally where despite most constables making 6 figures plus lavish benefits, there was a systematic ransacking purloining of cash, drugs and other evidence from the property room here for a number of years which the current chief has dragged his heels to even come clean on, much less fix, because it would make so many officers into criminals.

    I think most people who go into police work are of a certain mindset and personality type. Most of us wouldn't last a week in the job because we are not that kind of personality. While some seem to have a genuine desire to help people and seek to correct injustice, many others seem to delight in simply having power over citizens. I noticed as well in my work life, where we hired retired PD officers to run our security and loss prevention units, that the longer one is in the police force, the more rigid, jaundiced and discriminatory they seem to become.
    I have noticed this as well. Police Officers, the ones who work the streets, seem to be constantly exposed to the worst side of humanity, and that seems to dehumanize them.

    Makes me think maybe they should alternate, 6 months as a police officer, 6 months as a firefighter or something entirely different.

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  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,425
    dino001 said:

    What's the MSRP on this? How did he get to 22 grand and how did you get to 13.5 OTD? With this kind of spread, I smell a rat. But worst case scenario, you just added 200 miles to your Kia and lost time.

    The other half of the sentence that @iluvmysephia1 should know what the salesman didn't say is..."and be serious about negotiations".

    jmonroe
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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,160
    If a deal is made for a Sentra, at first blush, here’s the way I see it getting done, if you are really good at the negotiation table.

    2018 Sentra base w/manual trans.....$15,000 (probably closer to $16,000 given the dealer will have to overallow on the trade)+ TTL.

    2011 Kia Soul base w/manual trans (not sure the mileage, but let’s average 12K/year for 84K miles)......$2K trade (and you’re going to have to work hard to get that). I say the dealer comes in between $1,200 and $1,500 trade on first pencil.
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481


    I think the bitterness comes not from people using the "safety net" but from people abusing it. as much as 50% of those funds are wasted due to corruption, think of what we could do for the truly needy if it wasn't for the corruption. 

    Back in the 80's I recall reading that it would be less expensive for the US government to simply send a check to each impoverished adult that was large enough to raise them above the poverty level than it was to continue to fund the government bureaucracies that allegedly address the problem.
    The idea of guaranteed, no-strings income has been floated around for a long time, and some smaller cities have already launched experimental programs. The idea of course is that you get that check and then you're on your own as to how to manage your money. It would certainly eliminate gaming the system as it is.
  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,425

    iluv said he might "yelp in excitement" driving an SR Turbo; in the S he can snooze in monotony.

    For those that revel in fast-driving excitement, I give you Dale Earnhardt, Sr.


    For being a first-class *&^-hole he wound up in a nice, overpriced casket. Umm...that's where I want to end up. Not my bag, baby.

    I have to say that it is hard for me to determine whether you truly believe what you post or whether you are putting us on.
    I'd hope it's the latter.
    I can't help but think of the old saying..."it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt". There is no hope for this guy, former or latter.

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,160
    RB...how are you preparing for your new job? Anything in particular you have to get done before taking office?
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  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,109


    I think the bitterness comes not from people using the "safety net" but from people abusing it. as much as 50% of those funds are wasted due to corruption, think of what we could do for the truly needy if it wasn't for the corruption. 

    Back in the 80's I recall reading that it would be less expensive for the US government to simply send a check to each impoverished adult that was large enough to raise them above the poverty level than it was to continue to fund the government bureaucracies that allegedly address the problem.
    And how would they identify these impoverished adults? And know how some are more impoverished than others? There will always be a few who manage to game the system. But the vast majority of people in our ragged safety net are truly, desperately poor and our system makes it very difficult to climb out of that poverty.
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  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,109
    ab348 said:

    thebean said:


    Would you risk your life every day, plus deal with the vast disrespect police put up with, for $100K/yr? It's not an ordinary job. Watch Live PD some time and tell me you would deal with all the crap these men and women do. I don't think most of us would last a week on the street. They deserve all they can get.

    I have a different take on this. My perception may be different from yours because we don't have many gunfights with police up here so the job is somewhat different. First of all, nobody "deserves all they can get" in a public sector job. That sort of entitled attitude brings nothing but problems with it in that environment. We see that in our PD locally where despite most constables making 6 figures plus lavish benefits, there was a systematic ransacking purloining of cash, drugs and other evidence from the property room here for a number of years which the current chief has dragged his heels to even come clean on, much less fix, because it would make so many officers into criminals.

    I think most people who go into police work are of a certain mindset and personality type. Most of us wouldn't last a week in the job because we are not that kind of personality. While some seem to have a genuine desire to help people and seek to correct injustice, many others seem to delight in simply having power over citizens. I noticed as well in my work life, where we hired retired PD officers to run our security and loss prevention units, that the longer one is in the police force, the more rigid, jaundiced and discriminatory they seem to become.
    My son is a police officer. It is a dangerous job precisely because it can go from being perfectly ordinary to life threatening in a heartbeat. It’s very stressful. He is not on a power trip and he does not make a six figure salary. I do not understand why some here need to generalize about whole categories of people — police, poor people, teachers — and assume that the worst examples are typical of the whole. The bad apples make news because they are unusual, not because they are the norm.
    Can we return to talking about phones and refrigerators and sometimes, cars?
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  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,425
    driver100 said:

    jmonroe1 said:

    stickguy said:

    what happened to the nicely equipped fun to drive turbo? Back to a strippo putt putt mobile instead? By the time you get it and upgrade the inferior parts, might as well get the nice car instead.

    Don't worry. By next week we'll see this change at least twice.

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,756
    edited September 2018

    Now you need to take that quote to the dealer in Las Cruces - which is even closer - and see if they can match the El Paso dealer offer.

    Also, there is a $1500 customer incentive and 0% financing for up to 60 months; 2.9% for 61-72 months.

    Not that I'm enabling you or anything ….


    Yes - and I want to use the Nissan 0% financing for 60 months. Reviews of the base model on Cars.com are overwhelmingly positive. The base model has Nissan Connect, which is their version of Android Auto.

    You're looking to unload your Kia? I wouldn't give up my soul over this. I doubt it is worth much on trade, and probably will end up being far more useful to you and your wife as a second vehicle.
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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,432

    RB...how are you preparing for your new job? Anything in particular you have to get done before taking office?

    I've hired my staff; I kept the victim's advocate and detective from the current office and I'm adding my own receptionist/administrative assistant. I'm bringing in two prosecutors, one who used to work in that office and the other is a friend who served several terms as Commonwealth's Attorney for one of the largest counties in the state(he's retired and wants back in the game). One of my assistants and I spent a day with a Commonwealth's Attorney I knew from my time as a Senior Judge. He's been a CWA for 30 years and has a similar caseload to what I will have. He gave us several very good ideas on how to handle cases more efficiently.

    The first year will be tough because I will spend a lot of time straightening out the mess my predecessor will be leaving me. She called the Grand Jury in every week and let officers directly submit cases rather than going through a preliminary hearing. As a result she has indicted everything but a ham sandwich and the caseload has increased 50%. A large percentage of those cases should never have been charged as felonies if at all.

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