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Mr_Shiftright

houdini2 said:

Canada has the right idea on legalizing pot nationwide rather than piecemeal. If it is legal in some states and illegal in others that is just wrong. Same thing could be said about gun laws. Make some laws fair and reasonable nationwide.

Canada of course doesn't operate under the U.S. Constitution, where you run smack into issues of states' rights.

roadburner

graphicguy said:

roadburner said:

True marijuana DUI story: The KY State Police were running a sobriety checkpoint with some troopers from other counties. One of those troopers walked up to a car in line and smelled marijuana. The driver admitted that he had smoked the demon weed, but did not say when. The trooper ordered the driver to pull to the side and arrested him for DUI.
At trial the case collapsed because the trooper had not observed the defendant driving and had not performed any field sobriety tests. The driver walked away with only a misdemeanor possession conviction.

And that's the big problem with marijuana DUI cases; current lab tests can only prove that a defendant smoked marijuana sometime in the past couple of weeks. Contrast that with blood alcohol tests which can provide the percentage of alcohol in the bloodstream.

You're getting ready to jump knee deep back into that whole scenario, right? Or, are you going to be adjudicating different types of cases?

It's going to be a push-pull as to who will benefit the most monetarily on the legalization of marijuana. With the latest developments, it seems the firms who are behind the legalization push are winning. Does that mean the state and municipalities lose given the fines and court costs will be reduced in deciding those cases? I don't know. I'm just asking the questions.

Perhaps a new state oversight budget is implemented to make up for the lost fines.

Again, will defer to RB, but I've heard KY has had a long tradition of growing marijuana with a "wink-wink" and a "nod-nod" by the localities to let those illegal activities continue. Not sure if those rumors are true or not.

OHIO tried to push it through a couple of years ago but failed. Too many hands in the pie arguing about who gets the biggest pieces. I expect that to change here, shortly. The infrastructure is pretty much in place for "all systems go" to roll it out.

What I do know, Ohio is looking for ways to reduce the prison population, namely because it's becoming unwieldy, and this is a perfect way to put a big dent in it.

Some counties have been easy on growing operations. there's currently a big push in KY for legalization- primarily for the tax revenue.

driver100

Mr_Shiftright said:

houdini2 said:

Canada has the right idea on legalizing pot nationwide rather than piecemeal. If it is legal in some states and illegal in others that is just wrong. Same thing could be said about gun laws. Make some laws fair and reasonable nationwide.

Canada of course doesn't operate under the U.S. Constitution, where you run smack into issues of states' rights.

Exactly, in Canada the federal government has more power than the provincial governments....the reverse in most cases in the US.

graphicguy

roadburner said:

graphicguy said:

roadburner said:

True marijuana DUI story: The KY State Police were running a sobriety checkpoint with some troopers from other counties. One of those troopers walked up to a car in line and smelled marijuana. The driver admitted that he had smoked the demon weed, but did not say when. The trooper ordered the driver to pull to the side and arrested him for DUI.
At trial the case collapsed because the trooper had not observed the defendant driving and had not performed any field sobriety tests. The driver walked away with only a misdemeanor possession conviction.

And that's the big problem with marijuana DUI cases; current lab tests can only prove that a defendant smoked marijuana sometime in the past couple of weeks. Contrast that with blood alcohol tests which can provide the percentage of alcohol in the bloodstream.

You're getting ready to jump knee deep back into that whole scenario, right? Or, are you going to be adjudicating different types of cases?

It's going to be a push-pull as to who will benefit the most monetarily on the legalization of marijuana. With the latest developments, it seems the firms who are behind the legalization push are winning. Does that mean the state and municipalities lose given the fines and court costs will be reduced in deciding those cases? I don't know. I'm just asking the questions.

Perhaps a new state oversight budget is implemented to make up for the lost fines.

Again, will defer to RB, but I've heard KY has had a long tradition of growing marijuana with a "wink-wink" and a "nod-nod" by the localities to let those illegal activities continue. Not sure if those rumors are true or not.

OHIO tried to push it through a couple of years ago but failed. Too many hands in the pie arguing about who gets the biggest pieces. I expect that to change here, shortly. The infrastructure is pretty much in place for "all systems go" to roll it out.

What I do know, Ohio is looking for ways to reduce the prison population, namely because it's becoming unwieldy, and this is a perfect way to put a big dent in it.

Some counties have been easy on growing operations. there's currently a big push in KY for legalization- primarily for the tax revenue.

Well....you can see how that will end up. If KY legalizes, OH will, too. No way OH is going to let the citizenry drive over the bridge to KY to score their consumable of choice.

Vice versa with OH legalizing. If OH and KY legalize, WV, VA, PA, TN and IN will have to, also...for the same reasons....snow ball effect.

driver100

Or they can come up to Canada to buy........however, they will definitely have trouble getting back into the U.S. if they find any in your car.

tjc78

We really need a Popcorn emoji!!!!!

xwesx

Mr_Shiftright said:

It might be interesting to take one of those online reflex tests, and then down a beer or glass of chablis and take the test again.

We did a program similar to this when I was in college. Our resident assistant staff gathered a group of volunteers and did a program where each participant would consume the same amount of the same alcohol, and then our police would have them go through the field sobriety tests. The police demonstrated the test at the beginning (zero alcohol) and had the participants perform it, then tracked their performance drink after drink. They also had them do a breath analyzer for BAC, so that there was a standard correlation between participants.

Even after only two drinks, the performance of even the most boisterous of our participants was noticeably degraded, and their ability to perform was fairly similar at the same BAC (even though it took some participants longer (more drinks) to get to higher BACs). We stopped at 0.10 BAC, which was the legal limit in Alaska back then, and the police provided a short talk on the dangers of going beyond that to close out.

We had excellent attendance at the program, though I'm not sure that it really influenced anyone's habits in the long run.

henryn

On the subject of “one glass of red wine per day is beneficial to your health”.

A few months back, I was listening to a program on NPR where someone questioned the legitimacy of the results of such studies. What the studies claimed to show was that, on average, people who drank one glass of red wine per day were healthier than the group who did not drink at all, and healthier than the group who drank more.

This expert pointed out two potential problems with the studies. Number one, they were not controlled laboratory experiments. How many of the people participating in the study were lying? People lie about their drinking habits almost as much as they lie about sex.

Number two, what was the cause and what was the effect? Could it be that people who are healthier, in mind and body, drink in moderation? Most of us would agree that people who drink heavily are usually not of sound mind and body. And I would stipulate that most of the teetotalers I have known were not exactly the most well rounded individuals. (Present company excepted, of course.)

Mr_Shiftright

tjc78 said:

We really need a Popcorn emoji!!!!!

Why? You got the munchies?

ab348

henryn said:

This expert pointed out two potential problems with the studies. Number one, they were not controlled laboratory experiments. How many of the people participating in the study were lying? People lie about their drinking habits almost as much as they lie about sex.

Number two, what was the cause and what was the effect? Could it be that people who are healthier, in mind and body, drink in moderation? Most of us would agree that people who drink heavily are usually not of sound mind and body. And I would stipulate that most of the teetotalers I have known were not exactly the most well rounded individuals. (Present company excepted, of course.)

There are problems with just about any study on any topic. The kind of perfect sampling and reporting that expert noted are very, very difficult to achieve in most population-based studies. Then you get into the statistical analysis techniques and again, different approaches can produce different results. The list goes on and on. That is why one of my pet peeves are regular segments on TV news programs like we have here with a nightly "Healthline" update on what a particular study concludes . "M&Ms cause baldness!" "Eating kale every day can let you live to 100!" I'm joking but you get the drift. A single study is almost never indicative of anything that definitive.

When I was working I was responsible for finding and understanding many of the alcohol-related studies floating around. Some were so badly done they were laughable. Others seemed very plausible. The one mentioned about a U-shaped curve as to drink consumption seems to be standing up, but with the caveat that exceeding the one a day level over a longer period of time causes significantly increased risk. Periodic abstinence is probably not a bad thing. All things in moderation, etc.

In that period of time when I was doing that work I discovered quite by accident that many of the Public Health studies on tobacco smoking were so badly done that they were later forced to retract them. The poster child for that was the one that linked smoking bans in bars/restos to reduced numbers of heart attacks and cardiac disease at a community level. Turned out the conclusions reached were badly flawed and did not support the concept of such bans, but of course by then most places had them in place, the public had accepted the idea, and it would be virtually impossible to roll them back..

roadburner

The anti-tobacco witch hunt was so pervasive that any studies that didn't indict tobacco as the worst health threat in the history of civilization were either dismissed or ignored- and studies that showed tobacco was evil were accepted without question.

fintail

You're definitely right on that, and I think the idea could be much broader - heck, look at the weird mismash of front license plate regulations (not to mention speed limits).

houdini2 said:

Canada has the right idea on legalizing pot nationwide rather than piecemeal. If it is legal in some states and illegal in others that is just wrong. Same thing could be said about gun laws. Make some laws fair and reasonable nationwide.

henryn

https://houston.craigslist.org/cto/d/honda-acoord-original-one/6727504036.html

Honda Acoord Original/One owner low millage - $5295

A 2005 with 110k, original owner, new tires, maintenance records -- this is the kind of car you want to find and buy for your kid who's just getting his or her driver's license.

ab348

This news release today from our local RCMP. This is the kind of stuff that would drive a certain member here nuts:

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/news/2018/1000-motorists-charged-thanksgiving-weekend-operation-impact

"As part of Operation Impact over Thanksgiving weekend, October 5-8, Nova Scotia RCMP checked over 9,000 vehicles and charged over 1,000 motorists for offences related to impaired driving, distracted driving, aggressive driving and improper seat belt use.
During Operation Impact, Nova Scotia RCMP charged multiple motorists with impairment-related offences including:
23 motorists charged for driving while impaired by alcohol
six motorists charged for driving while impaired by drug
13 motorists issued roadside suspensions for driving with a Blood Alcohol Concentration between 50-80 milligrams of alcohol in one hundred millilitres of blood (50mg% to 80mg%)

Nova Scotia RCMP also issued many Summary Offence Tickets, including:
668 speeding charges
seven stunting charges
104 seat belt charges
three careless driving charges
29 charges for using cell phones while driving"

Interesting to see the mix of alcohol vs drug impairment charges.

Mr_Shiftright

I never quite understood why functioning grown ups needed warning labels to tell them that rolling up a leaf, setting in on fire, and inhaling the smoke 20 times a day might just be bad for you. I didn't mind warning kids about it, though.

imidazol97

The saga is over. No, I didn't trade my Malibu for an Acura TLX Tech package.

Lowe's warranty called on Tuesday saying A-Z appliance has the part now instead of waiting until November 24 for my refrigerator. Today, Friday, the man came, spent 30 minutes installing fan motor and computer board in hole on back of fridge. Turned it on and air is blowing.

Life is good. I had tears in my eyes that this is almost over.

Still have to get rental fridge back after 24 hours if my refrigerator is still working, and see how much of month's payment they refund. Then bill Lowes warranty for the costs of rental, lost food value which is low, and ask if they'd like to contribute toward the $79 Walmart fridge I used for a week.

stickguy

Accord looks clean. And that is a quality CL ad right there. Only thing missing is a picture of the engine. Definitely the kind of car you want to buy. A bit pricey though.

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

Got pulled over on the way to work today, first time in at least a dozen years.    

I was making a left turn using a dedicated left turn lane several cars back. Now there is a gas station at this intersection and someone pulling out of the gas station was blocking the left turn lane, he was going to go straight. Well all the cars he was blocking decided to go around him which ment crossing the double yellow line into the oncoming traffic lane. This really wasn't an issue as oncoming traffic had a red as we had the green arrow. So I just followed the cars in front of me. Unfortunately a police officer saw all this and as I was the last car in the line I was the low hanging fruit.

So I was the one who got nabbed, however it was a catch and release as i got a written warning.  

So much for it being revenue generation.

He probably wanted to get a good look at the guy making all the wild drug statements here. Didn't you know that the authorities monitor this board?

driver100

Glad to hear the fridge saga is over with what looks like a happy ending imid.......well, you know what I mean
But, all that inconvenience and what good is a warranty when you have to go through all that?

driver100

Ab: 23 motorists charged for driving while impaired by alcohol
six motorists charged for driving while impaired by drug

Seems the drug related is high in proportion since it is much harder to detect and to convict. Also, alcohol is everywhere, drugs not as much.

driver100

stickguy said:

Accord looks clean. And that is a quality CL ad right there. Only thing missing is a picture of the engine. Definitely the kind of car you want to buy. A bit pricey though.

Good looking car if he doesn't really live in Russia and it hasn't been in a flood, but the transmission might go in 45k miles.

oldfarmer50

berri said:

This government seizure stuff really gets to me. I think it is beyond the principles founding our nation. You even have states grabbing a citizen's mutual fund or bank account if they haven't had formal contact with the provider (and reinvesting interest or dividends doesn't count). Doesn't matter which political party either. It is legalized thievery.

Another good idea gone bad. As originally devised it was suppose to punish major drug dealers economically but mutated into greedy police departments grabbing money from anyone with lots of cash. Maybe Roadburner can explain why they arrest your money while letting you go. From what I understand it's difficult to prove your money innocent.

snakeweasel

fintail said:

You're definitely right on that, and I think the idea could be much broader - heck, look at the weird mismash of front license plate regulations (not to mention speed limits).

Canada has the right idea on legalizing pot nationwide rather than piecemeal. If it is legal in some states and illegal in others that is just wrong. Same thing could be said about gun laws. Make some laws fair and reasonable nationwide.

The thing is that we have that mishmash of laws simply because the constitution never mentions traffic control. Due to that pursuant to the 10th amendment it falls on the individual states to enact laws and regulations regarding traffic in their states. The federal government has no authority to do so.

ab348

I made the mistake of watching part of that "Border Security" TV show earlier this week. There was a Chinese couple entering somewhere, I think LAX, and they were asked how much US currency they had. The man said $3800. The woman said $8900. They searched the luggage, and came up with $12,xxx. Then the agents accused them of lying because they had to declare the total, not individually, and threatened to confiscate the entire amount because they were over the $10000 limit. The language barrier made it difficult to watch. I turned it off before the likely sad outcome was revealed.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

Ab: 23 motorists charged for driving while impaired by alcohol six motorists charged for driving while impaired by drug

Seems the drug related is high in proportion since it is much harder to detect and to convict. Also, alcohol is everywhere, drugs not as much.

Drugs are everywhere. Drug impairment doesn't have to be due to recreational drugs. Prescription drugs and even over the counter drugs can impair your ability to operate a car.

oldfarmer50

henryn said:

https://houston.craigslist.org/cto/d/honda-acoord-original-one/6727504036.html

Honda Acoord Original/One owner low millage - $5295

A 2005 with 110k, original owner, new tires, maintenance records -- this is the kind of car you want to find and buy for your kid who's just getting his or her driver's license.

Or you could buy a same year domestic with half the milage for thousands less. I was at the quicky lube this morning and there was a grey 2005 Mercury Sable identical to my son's. We got to comparing notes and I told him I got ours for $3500. He was impressed but topped me by saying he got his free from a relative with 23,000 miles.

I imagine the Honda wouldn't be as likely to leave you stranded as the miles started to pile up.

xwesx

stickguy said:

Accord looks clean. And that is a quality CL ad right there. Only thing missing is a picture of the engine. Definitely the kind of car you want to buy. A bit pricey though.

I would be tempted to lowball him just for the crap ad. Why is punctuation such a challenge?

berri

I still don't see the difference between drug or alcohol impairment. They are both problematic and need to be dealt with. Many professional people are alcoholics as well as the stereotype lower income person. Same goes for drug problems. One is no better than the other and both sap society and economics.

28firefighter

I consider Marijuana to be on par with Alcohol - I live in Seattle (who along with Colorado is the OG pioneer for legalizing it). Rarely do I encounter people smoking it. Almost always it is edibles these days.

I literally could not care less about it being legalized, just as I don't care about alcohol being legalized. Use it responsibly and in moderation. Leave policing resources to deal with the very real problems we have and (hopefully) use the tax revenue from the sales responsibly.

We have bigger fish to fry in this country than pot.

imidazol97

driver100 said:

Glad to hear the fridge saga is over with what looks like a happy ending imid.......well, you know what I mean
But, all that inconvenience and what good is a warranty when you have to go through all that?

With a wedding coming up the next week and the sister-in-law flying in to stay as we prepared to go to Dublin (Columbus) Ohio. Really frustrating. The serviceman apologized again for the problem about getting the part.

I don't know what Lowe's warranty department did that expedited getting the part out of Whirlpool, but when they called on Tuesday saying the appliance company had the part, I feel that Lowes did something.

Amazing that I could have replaced the fan, it's all snap in place after the parts on the back of the inside of the freezer are taken off, and the circuit board, it's under a square metal cover on the back of the fridge.

berri

28 - I agree moderation is the key. But have you had to work with alcoholics or stoners. They are a real problem on the job. Like driving, their negligence can have very bad consequences on innocent others. Tolerance has limits.

ab348

Young people have a need to experiment and test their limits, be it with booze or weed. So you have drinking games that promote excess consumption, and masks connected to airbags to let weed users inhale massive quantities of smoke. Then there are the development of more potent strains and concentrated stuff like shatter, which apparently takes you out very quickly. There is a reason for the phrase "clueless youth".

stickguy

OK to post something about cars here?

My daughter came home yesterday after work (in Delaware, back to NJ). Crappy drive on 95 for a bit and over the bridge. Anyway, she found out that the autonomous auto braking actually works in her Jetta. Traffic was jamming up (that annoying move, stop dead, move OK business). and at that time, the sun was setting behind her, so glaring off the car in front (some old bomber with likely marginal lighting).'

anyway, at one point, he suddenly stopped (or slowed real quick) and before she processed it, the Jetta was already pressing the brake pedal for her. She said she would have been able to stop in time, but it certainly would have been a much more dramatic event. Nice when a safety feature, actually does the job it is supposed to.

fintail

What's the reason? Crappy parenting?

Prohibition only seems to encourage that. It's not a coincidence that the US has the most repressive drinking laws in the western world, and likely the biggest binge drinking culture.

ab348 said:

Young people have a need to experiment and test their limits, be it with booze or weed. So you have drinking games that promote excess consumption, and masks connected to airbags to let weed users inhale massive quantities of smoke. Then there are the development of more potent strains and concentrated stuff like shatter, which apparently takes you out very quickly. There is a reason for the phrase "clueless youth".

fintail

My Bluetec has that too. Local driving prowess combined with my driving style fools it now and then. I;ll be moving along at a normal speed. Someone a little ways ahead of me will be turning, and as common for the timid souls here, slowing way down to do so, but I can tell there is plenty of room, so I don't slow down, or I accelerate a little. Now and then the auto braking will panic and hit the brakes, also tightening the seatbelt, and causing mild profanity. Technology! But I suppose if I was a texting addict or falling asleep or something, it could be handy.

stickguy said:

OK to post something about cars here?

My daughter came home yesterday after work (in Delaware, back to NJ). Crappy drive on 95 for a bit and over the bridge. Anyway, she found out that the autonomous auto braking actually works in her Jetta. Traffic was jamming up (that annoying move, stop dead, move OK business). and at that time, the sun was setting behind her, so glaring off the car in front (some old bomber with likely marginal lighting).'

anyway, at one point, he suddenly stopped (or slowed real quick) and before she processed it, the Jetta was already pressing the brake pedal for her. She said she would have been able to stop in time, but it certainly would have been a much more dramatic event. Nice when a safety feature, actually does the job it is supposed to.

xwesx

fintail said:

My Bluetec has that too. Local driving prowess combined with my driving style fools it now and then. I;ll be moving along at a normal speed. Someone a little ways ahead of me will be turning, and as common for the timid souls here, slowing way down to do so, but I can tell there is plenty of room, so I don't slow down, or I accelerate a little. Now and then the auto braking will panic and hit the brakes, also tightening the seatbelt, and causing mild profanity. Technology! But I suppose if I was a texting addict or falling asleep or something, it could be handy.

Hahaha; and you never seem to post *those* videos.

fintail

The Feds could play a carrot/stick game to get the states to agree on it, however. Just more that makes the US look dopey.

snakeweasel said:

The thing is that we have that mishmash of laws simply because the constitution never mentions traffic control. Due to that pursuant to the 10th amendment it falls on the individual states to enact laws and regulations regarding traffic in their states. The federal government has no authority to do so.

fintail

There's no miracle solution, no way to make the problems vanish. Prohibition has a complete historical record of outright failure. Some people are going to over-use or abuse substances. That's just how it is. For these softer substances, IMO it is wiser to use resources to fight other battles. There's a meth epidemic out there so bad that some states could have a syringe as their official symbol, and yet some overpaid untouchable politicos whine about weed. It boggles the mind.

berri said:

28 - I agree moderation is the key. But have you had to work with alcoholics or stoners. They are a real problem on the job. Like driving, their negligence can have very bad consequences on innocent others. Tolerance has limits.

fintail

I think civil asset forfeiture is up there with our private for-profit prisons who benefit from wacky soft drug laws.

berri said:

This government seizure stuff really gets to me. I think it is beyond the principles founding our nation. You even have states grabbing a citizen's mutual fund or bank account if they haven't had formal contact with the provider (and reinvesting interest or dividends doesn't count). Doesn't matter which political party either. It is legalized thievery.

fintail

That's a lot of speeding for a relatively small population. Maybe some of the limits aren't correct. Good luck getting that fixed lolol.

It'd be interesting to know what the other "drug" is, as I know Canada has some of the same ills as Murka - some of the lower mainland of BC is pretty rough with it too.

ab348 said:

This news release today from our local RCMP. This is the kind of stuff that would drive a certain member here nuts:

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/news/2018/1000-motorists-charged-thanksgiving-weekend-operation-impact

Interesting to see the mix of alcohol vs drug impairment charges.

fintail

I don't think I have posted any where I have weaved a web of bad words - in other words, few from my evening commute. That's my road rage outlet - I don't ram people off the road or fight or shoot, I just swear to myself

I get a lot less irked when on the freeway, as higher speeds seem to scare off the truly timid and inept around here.

xwesx said:

Hahaha; and you never seem to post *those* videos.

venture

stickguy said:

OK to post something about cars here?

My daughter came home yesterday after work (in Delaware, back to NJ). Crappy drive on 95 for a bit and over the bridge. Anyway, she found out that the autonomous auto braking actually works in her Jetta. Traffic was jamming up (that annoying move, stop dead, move OK business). and at that time, the sun was setting behind her, so glaring off the car in front (some old bomber with likely marginal lighting).'

anyway, at one point, he suddenly stopped (or slowed real quick) and before she processed it, the Jetta was already pressing the brake pedal for her. She said she would have been able to stop in time, but it certainly would have been a much more dramatic event. Nice when a safety feature, actually does the job it is supposed to.

Agreed.

A few months ago someone crossed in front of me unannounced. The Legacy started to apply the brakes. When the offender cleared my path it let up. I could see that they would be out of the way, but the car only knew that something was there. Still - it worked well.

The reverse automatic braking saved my bacon again yesterday (I think). I was backing out of a parking spot, looking in one direction at the time, when a lady came from the other direction right behind me at a good rate of speed. The car stopped. I would probably have hit her.

I didn't like the reverse braking at first...too nanny-like, but this is the second time it saved me.

driver100

Drug impaired driver has major accident:
1st weekend when MJ is legal!

berri

That is a bit sensational with a pretty iffy correlation. You mean to tell me there are fewer drunk accidents or fewer distracted driver accidents? I don't think so. They are all a problem.

stickguy

I highly doubt that driver decided to run out and try MJ for the first time just because it was legalized. The majority of people putting money into the government coffers for it are most likely just switching suppliers.

stickguy

Just from observing people on the roads, I am putting my money on distracted drivers (phones mostly) being the biggest menace. They are also more prevalent at heavy traffic times such as rush hour (especially the AM rush). Drunks at least traditionally tend to drive later when there are fewer people to hit!

tjc78

Just yesterday I was getting on 42 and a mid 90s Corolla was having difficulty staying in the lane, then merging onto the highway. I couldn’t take it and blew past them. My wife said their face was buried in their phone.

graphicguy

I’ve never smoked....anything! I’m not a “do-gooder”, but never felt the pull to try tobacco or marijuana. I’ve known plenty who have done both, sometimes simultaneously.

Anyway, my late uncle was a heavy smoker. When we visitied him when I was a kid, you could smell smoke when knocking on their outside porch door. If I ever rode with him anywhere in his car, it was like the inside was a cloud. And, when I got home from being with him, my Mother would make me change clothes and shower as I was full of smoke smell.

Never really had a problem with it, but again, I was a kid. I never thought much of it.

Eventually, his “habit” caught up to him and he had all sorts of health issues and was forced to quite smoking. Understand, this guy fought in WW II and was injured (he walked with a limp from his injuries, but I never did know what they were exactly).

After seeing that sort of action, he said quitting smoking was the hardest thing he ever had to do. He did it “cold turkey”. But, he also had several attempts made and back slid plenty until he was able to quit permanently. Back then, they didn’t have all the smoking cessation drugs as they do today.

I’ve seen the advertisements for tobacco via YouTube that they played all the time on TV and the radio. There was even one I remember looking at that had an MD state how “healthful” one brand of cigarettes were.

I know I’m going to be in the minority, but because I was so fond of my uncle, there is no way I could ever treat him with the derision smokers are treated with today. They are made out to be pariahs. I have to believe that if they could quit, they would, and save themselves a ton of money.

As far as Marijuana, best I can ascertain there aren’t the same sort of risks presented as with alcohol and tobacco....especially if ingested as a food. So, not going to throw stones from my perch.

I think it will be a good thing to get all those in prison for marijuana charges out and let them rejoin society.

berri

I think MJ should be treated like alcohol legally. Then the police and judicial system can focus on the hard drugs like meth and cocaine. That is where the real danger exists.

driver100

It's kind of funny. Pot becomes legal, there are huge lineups outside authorized retail stores. Then they ran out after a few hours and people were angry.
These same buyers could have gone to their friendly 24 hour a day dealer, had the stuff delivered to their home, and paid a lot less.
WHEN it becomes legal in your area, private business should be running the retail business.