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tjc78

So today traveling mid-day on a local four lane road (@stickguy... white horse pike) a person makes a left of out side street and I had to slam on my brakes. It was close enough it tripped my forward collision alert.  As I was slamming my brakes I was also beeping the horn.  Guy driving the car flips me the bird .. huh?

I certainly wouldn’t have been in the wrong.   FWIW I was probably at the speed limit or a touch under.  

ab348

I just got a new iPad - the other one was 6-7 years old and painfully slow - and after restoring the backup from the old one, here I am without even signing in... though I suspect it may all go off the rails when Edmunds requires a fresh sign-in at some future point.

This new one is shockingly quick and much lighter to handle as well.

dino001

Just to finish up whole Formula race discussion, there is also Formula 2, formerly Grand Prix 2, or GP2, which is actually most direct talent pool for F1 racing. I dug a bit to see the specs and costs, so it goes:
Formula 1 - top international FIA-santioned circuit open wheel racing, usually 6-10 teams (fluctuates), the race has fixed rules regarding the technology, but it's mostly team race. Cars are over 800 hp, 1.6L hybrid V6 , 21 races around the world (they keep adding more every so often). Each race is standardized to equal 190 miles rounded to the nearest lap. Costs are astronomical - mid-tier team is estimated to need $120M/year. Just a driver pay goes into millions per year, unless it's a "sponsored" driver, then the sponsor actually pays the team (which is ridiculous and sad, but fact of life). The costs are driven by the fact that nothing is standard, teams develop everything from scratch on their own, they can buy engines from others/each other. The only limits are specs and things like number of engines/transmissions to be used without significant starting grid penalty to encourage reliability over performance and reduce costs (doesn't always work).
Formula 2 - minor worldwide tour, sponsored by FIA, intended as a direct feeder to F1, one that was evolving multiple times, suspended, reactivated, renamed, run in different national editions, finally FIA recognized one series of over 10 venues (depends on season). 620 hp 3.4L V6 engines, all standard. Two per weekend - one "feature", 112 miles, one "sprint", 75 miles, except couple of venues. Similar number of teams and drivers. Still pretty big budgets, one car is around $300K, so I would imagine annual costs still in low single millions.
Formula 3 - FIA sanctioned national series of different races (some are multinational, but limited to a region of countries). Different series have different specs, but similar to each other. US-based series is 2L Honda engine with 270 hp. American is only three venues with top 8 of drivers receiving "Superlicense", which makes them eligible for F1 (if anybody wants them). There are other racing series awarding the Superlicense points (e.g. Indy), where getting certain number of points over three years awards the license. Sometimes drivers of F3 get picked up directly by an F1 team without having to advance to F2. Annual cost probably about a million or so.
Formula 4 - intended as "economical" regional junior driver league. It's FIA-sanctioned, the winner gets a scholarship to F3 There are several engines eligible, all 160 hp, priced at maximum 9500 Euro, they each series chooses one engine and standard chassis. US F4 gets 2L Honda naturally aspirated engine. The total estimated price for competition is $116K per season. I'm sure it doesn't include rebuilts after crashes.
Formula E - new open wheel tour with electric engines. Costs seem comparable to Formula 2.

For comparison, American Formula Indy has 650 hp V8 standard engines and annual costs a bit more than F2, but nowhere near F1, several million per car per season.

There it is.

Drivingfool

I've still got two personalities in here as I don't use my iPhone with Edmunds.com. So, being a dual personality is o k since I use two different portals to get in here.

The Sandman/Driving Fool

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

suydam said:

Yes, that’s the definition, but no one uses the term anymore because almost all colleges now admit both men and women. It’s not politically correct or incorrect, just dates back to a time when most colleges were single sex, so ones that did admit women were unusual. That’s all. It just struck me as funny. Hence the laugh icon. Chill.

So, you aren't allowed to differentiate anymore....men and women are just students?

It really isn't fair to treat women differently but let me tell you, when I was in college I definitely noticed the difference.

abacomike

oldfarmer50 said:

Yes, that’s the definition, but no one uses the term anymore because almost all colleges now admit both men and women. It’s not politically correct or incorrect, just dates back to a time when most colleges were single sex, so ones that did admit women were unusual. That’s all. It just struck me as funny. Hence the laugh icon. Chill.

So, you aren't allowed to differentiate anymore....men and women are just students?

It really isn't fair to treat women differently but let me tell you, when I was in college I definitely noticed the difference.

I am assuming you still do - or have you lost the ability to notice in your old age? 

oldfarmer50

Just got back from having the Ford Performance Pack 2 installed on the Mustang. As luck would have it , it was dark and rainy with traffic on the way home so I couldn't test out the full potential but I did notice a lot more torque down low, which is what I wanted. It's now putting out 455+ horsepower which is close to the 2018 GT.

imidazol97

oldfarmer50 said:

Just got back from having the Ford Performance Pack 2 installed on the Mustang. As luck would have it , it was dark and rainy with traffic on the way home so I couldn't test out the full potential but I did notice a lot more torque down low, which is what I wanted. It's now putting out 455+ horsepower which is close to the 2018 GT.

But your car is still a whimp compared to the available add on 700-800 horsepower!
@oldfarmer50
https://www.lebanonford.com/lfp-performance-mustangs/

Mr_Shiftright

You can't win. Your neighbor will come up with 465 HP.

driver100

tjc78 said:

So today traveling mid-day on a local four lane road (@stickguy... white horse pike) a person makes a left of out side street and I had to slam on my brakes. It was close enough it tripped my forward collision alert.  As I was slamming my brakes I was also beeping the horn.  Guy driving the car flips me the bird .. huh?

I certainly wouldn’t have been in the wrong.   FWIW I was probably at the speed limit or a touch under.  

If you were driving faster the whole thing wouldn't have even happened.....according to one poster.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

suydam said:

Yes, that’s the definition, but no one uses the term anymore because almost all colleges now admit both men and women. It’s not politically correct or incorrect, just dates back to a time when most colleges were single sex, so ones that did admit women were unusual. That’s all. It just struck me as funny. Hence the laugh icon. Chill.

So, you aren't allowed to differentiate anymore....men and women are just students?

It really isn't fair to treat women differently but let me tell you, when I was in college I definitely noticed the difference.

Me too! But, one day I was holding the door open for some young women who were coming off the tennis court....and I was told they could hold their own door.

I kind of like the old way better! Viva la difference!

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

Just got back from having the Ford Performance Pack 2 installed on the Mustang. As luck would have it , it was dark and rainy with traffic on the way home so I couldn't test out the full potential but I did notice a lot more torque down low, which is what I wanted. It's now putting out 455+ horsepower which is close to the 2018 GT.

Wowee....450 horses! Is that the most horses around here? i only have a measly 339

stickguy

good old WHP. That road is a true menace. I avoid it when at all possible.

tjc78

I was meeting my Mom with my kids at their doctor in Haddon Heights. From my office it’s the most direct and least miles. On the way back, I took the long way down 295/42/Expressway. Much nicer ride.

I feel like I can’t avoid the WHP or 73 both stink.

snakeweasel

abacomike said:

graphicguy said:

My late Father was the same way....”you want money? Go earn it!” Not saying this because I want to talk about how hard the “salad days” were. Loved my Father immensely. He was born here, but left when he was 2 years old to go back to Italy as the family could not support him. He only knew one way......scrimp every last penny. He wanted his kids to be the same. We paid for our own college education. My Mother would throw us a $10 or $20 every once in a while. My Godfather was the one who would slip me a $50 to tide me over. OVerall, in college, I bartended. BEcame certified to teach driver’s education (which was a lucrative gig for a college student). Been on my own ever since.

I, too, had to work when I was in college in order to have pocket money.  My grandfather paid for my tuition for my NYU years and my dad paid for my books - so I was very lucky I had my undergraduate education paid for.  My Masters and higher degrees were paid for with fellowships and grants, but always had to work for my room and board and pocket money.  No complaints here - none at all.

But my oldest grandson has his scholarships to pay for college, but I prefer that he not work his freshman year so he can concentrate on his studies and baseball.  So sending him money every month or so is my pleasure so long as his grades are good.

I worked a full time job when I was in college, but I wasn't a full time student. I took three classes a semester (12 credit hours). It was hard but when I got that sheepskin  I owed nothing.

stickguy

tjc78 said:

I was meeting my Mom with my kids at their doctor in Haddon Heights. From my office it’s the most direct and least miles. On the way back, I took the long way down 295/42/Expressway. Much nicer ride.

I feel like I can’t avoid the WHP or 73 both stink.

try and make a left out of the produce junction parking lot on a saturday some time. That is fun!

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

"abacomike"> it was my grandpa who gave me money - my dad never believed in giving his sons money. I had to promise my grandpa I would not tell my dad he was “shtooping” (German for putting money into the pot) me money. 

So, that is how the phrase originated! Suydam....what is the replacement word for "coed" (I haven't heard coed used for a long time now that you mention it). Are you supposed to say "different gendered person"? Mike, I am sure your grandson will appreciate the extra $$$s. Next year a Mustang GT maybe...since you aren't allowed to buy yourself a car.

Since many people claim that there are more than two genders saying "different gendered person" has become meaningless.  

suydam

All right already! I just thought “coed” sounded quaintly hilarious. Can we move on?

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

suydam said:

Yes, that’s the definition, but no one uses the term anymore because almost all colleges now admit both men and women. It’s not politically correct or incorrect, just dates back to a time when most colleges were single sex, so ones that did admit women were unusual. That’s all. It just struck me as funny. Hence the laugh icon. Chill.

So, you aren't allowed to differentiate anymore....men and women are just students?

It really isn't fair to treat women differently but let me tell you, when I was in college I definitely noticed the difference.

I am assuming you still do - or have you lost the ability to notice in your old age? 

I still notice but now I can't do anythi g about it.

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Just got back from having the Ford Performance Pack 2 installed on the Mustang. As luck would have it , it was dark and rainy with traffic on the way home so I couldn't test out the full potential but I did notice a lot more torque down low, which is what I wanted. It's now putting out 455+ horsepower which is close to the 2018 GT.

But your car is still a whimp compared to the available add on 700-800 horsepower!
@oldfarmer50
https://www.lebanonford.com/lfp-performance-mustangs/

Costs a few hundred compared to several thousand. I'm satisfied.

And will live to tell about it.

oldfarmer50

Mr_Shiftright said:

You can't win. Your neighbor will come up with 465 HP.

I've got a lot of competition. On one side the neighbor owns a Corvette. On the other side is a Range Rover and twin BMW 650s. Across the street lives a Jag collector.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

suydam said:

Yes, that’s the definition, but no one uses the term anymore because almost all colleges now admit both men and women. It’s not politically correct or incorrect, just dates back to a time when most colleges were single sex, so ones that did admit women were unusual. That’s all. It just struck me as funny. Hence the laugh icon. Chill.

So, you aren't allowed to differentiate anymore....men and women are just students?

It really isn't fair to treat women differently but let me tell you, when I was in college I definitely noticed the difference.

Me too! But, one day I was holding the door open for some young women who were coming off the tennis court....and I was told they could hold their own door.

I kind of like the old way better! Viva la difference!

These days pretty young women hold the door for me. I told one she was making me feel old and she chuckled.

graphicguy

oldfarmer50 said:

Just got back from having the Ford Performance Pack 2 installed on the Mustang. As luck would have it , it was dark and rainy with traffic on the way home so I couldn't test out the full potential but I did notice a lot more torque down low, which is what I wanted. It's now putting out 455+ horsepower which is close to the 2018 GT.

Yummmyyy! What a tasty addition. Would love to hear your thoughts when you get a chance to stretch her out!

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

You can't win. Your neighbor will come up with 465 HP.

I've got a lot of competition. On one side the neighbor owns a Corvette. On the other side is a Range Rover and twin BMW 650s. Across the street lives a Jag collector.

You live in a pretty upscale farming neighborhood.
Are those neighbors running chop shops?

stickguy

that is what happens when all the other farmers sell their land to builders to put up McMansions, and you are the last holdout.

qbrozen

oldfarmer50 said:

Just got back from having the Ford Performance Pack 2 installed on the Mustang. As luck would have it , it was dark and rainy with traffic on the way home so I couldn't test out the full potential but I did notice a lot more torque down low, which is what I wanted. It's now putting out 455+ horsepower which is close to the 2018 GT.

Where have you been racing it to feel it needed more power?

andres3

jmonroe1 said:

berri said:

I don't know if I want people driving around that impaired.

I hear you, but the same goes for someone consuming a six pack and hitting the road. Drunks also often drive aggressively, whereas stoners tend to just have the slow reaction time aspect. Both should be locked up when caught driving impaired because both are unsafe. Banning MJ is really no more effective than prohibition was on alcohol. MJ is widely available underground like booze was back then. I think serious legal consequences are a better deterrent. Ever price an attorney - they can make a doctor look cheap !

It never bothered @andres3.

jmonroe

Serious legal consequences? Infractions don't have them because if they did, they couldn't get away with a Kangaroo court without a jury trial of my peers that would create fairness whereas a traffic referee/judge doesn't provide much fairness from what I've seen. I'd rather face a Prosecutor too, as the cop and judge end up playing the role of one in traffic court in CA.

andres3

snakeweasel said:

Got pulled over on the way to work today, first time in at least a dozen years.    

I was making a left turn using a dedicated left turn lane several cars back. Now there is a gas station at this intersection and someone pulling out of the gas station was blocking the left turn lane, he was going to go straight. Well all the cars he was blocking decided to go around him which ment crossing the double yellow line into the oncoming traffic lane. This really wasn't an issue as oncoming traffic had a red as we had the green arrow. So I just followed the cars in front of me. Unfortunately a police officer saw all this and as I was the last car in the line I was the low hanging fruit.

So I was the one who got nabbed, however it was a catch and release as i got a written warning.  

So much for it being revenue generation.

That's just sheer luck. Some days are revenue generation days. You got pulled over on a "warning" day. Still, he should of pulled over the guy impeding traffic to give a "warning."

andres3

berri said:

Pot is different because the only purpose of it is to get high to get that mind altering experience. You don't consume it for aromas, for taste or to complement a food flavor, you do it simply to chase that high. That is a textbook example of an addiction and makes it impossible to consume it responsibly.

I don't agree because you can have MJ as a cookie, brownie, candy, etc. Personally, I don't use it and don't drink much either. I think the biggest contributor to growing accident rates is distracted driving.

Now that's a bingo! Or as some would just say "bingo!"

Distracted driving, drunken driving, and drowsy driving are the 3 evils. Eliminate those and all else becomes just peanuts in comparison.

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

Got pulled over on the way to work today, first time in at least a dozen years.    

I was making a left turn using a dedicated left turn lane several cars back. Now there is a gas station at this intersection and someone pulling out of the gas station was blocking the left turn lane, he was going to go straight. Well all the cars he was blocking decided to go around him which ment crossing the double yellow line into the oncoming traffic lane. This really wasn't an issue as oncoming traffic had a red as we had the green arrow. So I just followed the cars in front of me. Unfortunately a police officer saw all this and as I was the last car in the line I was the low hanging fruit.

So I was the one who got nabbed, however it was a catch and release as i got a written warning.  

So much for it being revenue generation.

That's just sheer luck. Some days are revenue generation days. You got pulled over on a "warning" day. Still, he should of pulled over the guy impeding traffic to give a "warning."

Hardly sheer luck, there is no such thing as warning days and ticket days. For infractions like this the police have a lot of leeway. Statistically speaking unless you get pulled over for reckless driving, DUI, causing an accident or the like you have a near 50% chance of getting a warning. That is unless you give the officer a hard time. 

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

Just got back from having the Ford Performance Pack 2 installed on the Mustang. As luck would have it , it was dark and rainy with traffic on the way home so I couldn't test out the full potential but I did notice a lot more torque down low, which is what I wanted. It's now putting out 455+ horsepower which is close to the 2018 GT.

My 2er barely breaks into the twelves; I have to add a limited slip before I turn up the power- I'll probably go with the Active Autowerke Stage 1 tune, as it's a flash tune rather than a piggyback and it will get me close to 400 hp.

andres3

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

Got pulled over on the way to work today, first time in at least a dozen years.    

I was making a left turn using a dedicated left turn lane several cars back. Now there is a gas station at this intersection and someone pulling out of the gas station was blocking the left turn lane, he was going to go straight. Well all the cars he was blocking decided to go around him which ment crossing the double yellow line into the oncoming traffic lane. This really wasn't an issue as oncoming traffic had a red as we had the green arrow. So I just followed the cars in front of me. Unfortunately a police officer saw all this and as I was the last car in the line I was the low hanging fruit.

So I was the one who got nabbed, however it was a catch and release as i got a written warning.  

So much for it being revenue generation.

That's just sheer luck. Some days are revenue generation days. You got pulled over on a "warning" day. Still, he should of pulled over the guy impeding traffic to give a "warning."

Hardly sheer luck, there is no such thing as warning days and ticket days. For infractions like this the police have a lot of leeway. Statistically speaking unless you get pulled over for reckless driving, DUI, causing an accident or the like you have a near 50% chance of getting a warning. That is unless you give the officer a hard time. 

Contrary to perhaps popular opinion, I never give the Officer a hard time, or at least not until they've already decided and written the ticket.

I'll take 50% any day of the week and twice on Sunday. That has not been my observation. But then again, I'm convinced I get pulled over by "bad apples" 90%+ of the times I'm pulled over. Pulling me over already proves terrible judgment and powers of observation in my view, so I am not surprised that my percentages differ.

Perhaps I've been lucky and not pulled over as much as I should have been by the "good apples" that noticed I knew what I was doing and driving safely despite breaking the laws.

I'd sure like to see some data to back up your 50% number though.

tjc78

stickguy said:

tjc78 said:

I was meeting my Mom with my kids at their doctor in Haddon Heights. From my office it’s the most direct and least miles. On the way back, I took the long way down 295/42/Expressway. Much nicer ride.

I feel like I can’t avoid the WHP or 73 both stink.

try and make a left out of the produce junction parking lot on a saturday some time. That is fun!

Seriously... that could be one of the worst packing lots ever. I’m usually making a right out of there to head to ShopRite thankfully.

imidazol97

Bad luck?

The folks next door who had the Grand Prix stolen from their driveway, with the keys in the console along with wallet and credit card just had another round of bad luck.

I got a call from him asking if I had a hammer he could use. I got up, dressed, and got a hammer from the garage. He needed it to nail on plywood to the front window where the glass had been broken out.

Why? A deer had tried to go through it. He heard a crash, followed by the sound of hooves shuffling. The deer broken off an antler after getting its front end through the window. Folks walking by saw the whole thing. Police had told him a deer had been hit on a nearby main street. I don't know if that was before or after this event.

I told him duck tape would be better for holding the plywood in place than nailing it into the surrounding trim wood on the window. Couldn't find my duck tape which had gone to Dublin in case we needed it setting up stuff at the rehearsal dinner. Instead, I found my roll of metallic duct tape I had bought to retape the return ducts in the attic. So he got to use real "duct" tape to hole the plywood to seal the opening.

Does it mean I'm out-of-date when I think duct tape is the answer for many repair problems?

driver100

No, duct tape is always universally accepted as a way to fix any damage or broken part.
What happened to that car above....did the deer butt it's antlers into the rear fender?

Who leaves their wallet and credit cards in the console? Another thing people leave in their cars is the garage door opener.....great way for thieves to break in.

bwia

Go Red Sox...you brought joy in my heart. And thanks to instant replay all is well in Boston. 

tjc78

Rule of repairs...

If it moves and it shouldn't; Duct Tape

If it doesn't move and should; WD-40

There is nothing more permanent than a temporary repair

qbrozen

It isn't "bad luck" when you leave your keys and wallet in the car. It should be totally expected that it gets stolen

stickguy

Yup. Not bad luck. Sheer stupidity. No sympathy on the car issue. Just the deer.

snakeweasel

imidazol97 said:

 Does it mean I'm out-of-date when I think duct tape is the answer for many repair problems?

No it means that the spirit of Red Green is strong in you.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

No, duct tape is always universally accepted as a way to fix any damage or broken part. What happened to that car above....did the deer butt it's antlers into the rear fender? Who leaves their wallet and credit cards in the console? Another thing people leave in their cars is the garage door opener.....great way for thieves to break in.

We use small key fob garage door openers so the opener goes with the keys which we take with us when we leave the car. 

graphicguy

Just saw this on Jalopnik.....

https://jalopnik.com/ford-says-american-steel-is-now-the-most-expensive-in-t-1829933175/amp

imidazol97

Not sure why we're going into politics again, but sounds like the beef is with the US steel companies who raise their price to match the price of steel from foreign sources being dumped in some cases.The idea is to give the US companies an economic advantage (Econ 101). But in the spirit of US companies, instead they forfeit that advantage in pursuit of profits for big wigs and shareholders.

The buying of cheapest stuff and moving plants elsewhere to get cheap, cheap, cheap, is what gave away manufacturing in the US. The government(s) at that time is the one to blame for allowing US companies to give away our strong manufacturing base by moving plants to get cheap manufacturing, so that we are beholden to foreign powers. Someone, somewhere, has to bite the bullet and put on their big boy pants and bring manufacturing back to the US to have a middle class.

Or we can keep enjoying our iPhones and TVs and tools and auto parts from other countries as people wonder why everything is changing to a different, ineffective economic system. Some countries have failed on that path already.

qbrozen

Am I supposed to shed a tear for a company that posts $1B in profit in ONE QUARTER rather than $2B?

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

andres3 said:

Got pulled over on the way to work today, first time in at least a dozen years.    

I was making a left turn using a dedicated left turn lane several cars back. Now there is a gas station at this intersection and someone pulling out of the gas station was blocking the left turn lane, he was going to go straight. Well all the cars he was blocking decided to go around him which ment crossing the double yellow line into the oncoming traffic lane. This really wasn't an issue as oncoming traffic had a red as we had the green arrow. So I just followed the cars in front of me. Unfortunately a police officer saw all this and as I was the last car in the line I was the low hanging fruit.

So I was the one who got nabbed, however it was a catch and release as i got a written warning.  

So much for it being revenue generation.

That's just sheer luck. Some days are revenue generation days. You got pulled over on a "warning" day. Still, he should of pulled over the guy impeding traffic to give a "warning."

Hardly sheer luck, there is no such thing as warning days and ticket days. For infractions like this the police have a lot of leeway. Statistically speaking unless you get pulled over for reckless driving, DUI, causing an accident or the like you have a near 50% chance of getting a warning. That is unless you give the officer a hard time. 

Contrary to perhaps popular opinion, I never give the Officer a hard time, or at least not until they've already decided and written the ticket. I'll take 50% any day of the week and twice on Sunday. That has not been my observation. But then again, I'm convinced I get pulled over by "bad apples" 90%+ of the times I'm pulled over. Pulling me over already proves terrible judgment and powers of observation in my view, so I am not surprised that my percentages differ. Perhaps I've been lucky and not pulled over as much as I should have been by the "good apples" that noticed I knew what I was doing and driving safely despite breaking the laws. I'd sure like to see some data to back up your 50% number though.

Many police departments publish there stats with regards to traffic enforcement. 

fintail

I too would like a link to that stat.

andres3 said:

I'll take 50% any day of the week and twice on Sunday. That has not been my observation. But then again, I'm convinced I get pulled over by "bad apples" 90%+ of the times I'm pulled over. Pulling me over already proves terrible judgment and powers of observation in my view, so I am not surprised that my percentages differ.

Perhaps I've been lucky and not pulled over as much as I should have been by the "good apples" that noticed I knew what I was doing and driving safely despite breaking the laws.

I'd sure like to see some data to back up your 50% number though.

ab348

This story appeared from our "consumer watchdog" CBC reporter recently:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/car-manufacturer-seatbelt-recall-warranties-1.4870461

I have not heard of this issue previously regarding any kind of seatbelt problem, much less one that has been supposedly replaced. In this particular case I suspect the dealer never actually replaced anything. But how does a steel cable inside a sheath fray to the point of coming off in someone's hand? What is it rubbing against? Something seems very off about this.

PF_Flyer

Passed a "honey wagon" this morning, and on the back of the tank it said...

It's not just a job, it's an adventure

henryn

driver100 said:

No, duct tape is always universally accepted as a way to fix any damage or broken part.
What happened to that car above....did the deer butt it's antlers into the rear fender?

Who leaves their wallet and credit cards in the console? Another thing people leave in their cars is the garage door opener.....great way for thieves to break in.

Where the h___ else would you leave your garage door opener? If it isn't in the car, of what possible use is it?

ON EDIT: a great many cars these days have something like homelink, which is a built in garage door opener. I'd like to see you remove that and take it with you!

dino001

This website is a complete disaster when it comes to logins. Arbitrary, capricious, illogical. So I click into my browser link and a new login thing shows up. I try to log in, it says it's incorrect. Then I go to Research/Forums, a different looking login thing shows up there and accepts my login, no problem. Two different logins? Really? Who is designing this thing for you, guys?