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oldfarmer50

Very important car care video.

https://youtu.be/2t09qfrYwok

ruking1

Reminds me of putting nitrogen in NON aircraft tires, aka. motor vehicles. It’s telling there were precious little data : mpg saving, faster/slower 0 to 60 times, track times..

jipster

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer50,
I come up with them on 17 halfway between Middletown and Binghamton.

Google let me down.

We frequently deliver cars to the Manhien auction across the road from Stewart Airport near Newburg and to a company resale lot near Harrisburg. Wonder if they get cars from either. All their 2018 used cars are former rentals.

Oldfarmer....how good are rentals as used cars? Sometimes they say to stay away from them because different people drive them, and who knows what you are getting or what they have done to the car. I bought one ex-rental car......a 1978 Pontiac Le Mans. Looked like this;

It ran well, never let me down, but must have been the slowest 6 cylinder car on the road.

In looking at car ads for the past 8 months, if a former rental is being sold at a dealership, it.is usually discounted around $1,000. Maybe a combination of the "rental" stigma, and the car being ragged out.pretty good.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer50,
I come up with them on 17 halfway between Middletown and Binghamton.

Google let me down.

We frequently deliver cars to the Manhien auction across the road from Stewart Airport near Newburg and to a company resale lot near Harrisburg. Wonder if they get cars from either. All their 2018 used cars are former rentals.

Oldfarmer....how good are rentals as used cars? Sometimes they say to stay away from them because different people drive them, and who knows what you are getting or what they have done to the car. I bought one ex-rental car......a 1978 Pontiac Le Mans. Looked like this;

It ran well, never let me down, but must have been the slowest 6 cylinder car on the road.

That’s the question, isn’t it. My instinct is that once someone has no future responsibility for a car they tend to not treat it well. Some cars, like sporty or high performance vehicles would tend to get treated less well. We’ve driven a few that felt beat.

Other cars, like minivans or big SUVs that are used to haul families would probably be less likely to be abused. Some of our drivers have bought company cars and been satisfied.

At least with a rental you can assume minimal maintenance.

If you want to scare yourself, go to YouTube and look up “rental car abuse”.

How long did you drive your ex rental? I would worry that major abuse wouldn’t show itself until the car aged.

oldfarmer50

ruking1 said:

Reminds me of putting nitrogen in NON aircraft tires, aka. motor vehicles. It’s telling there were precious little data : mpg saving, faster/slower 0 to 60 times, track times..

You realize that they posted that video on April 1st, right?

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer50,
I come up with them on 17 halfway between Middletown and Binghamton.

Google let me down.

We frequently deliver cars to the Manhien auction across the road from Stewart Airport near Newburg and to a company resale lot near Harrisburg. Wonder if they get cars from either. All their 2018 used cars are former rentals.

Oldfarmer....how good are rentals as used cars? Sometimes they say to stay away from them because different people drive them, and who knows what you are getting or what they have done to the car. I bought one ex-rental car......a 1978 Pontiac Le Mans. Looked like this;

It ran well, never let me down, but must have been the slowest 6 cylinder car on the road.

At least with a rental you can assume minimal maintenance.
If you want to scare yourself, go to YouTube and look up “rental car abuse”.
How long did you drive your ex rental? I would worry that major abuse wouldn’t show itself until the car aged.

I only kept that car for 2 years, and it was a second car - only put about 5k miles a year on it. It was pretty low mileage when I got it....at that time I think they flipped cars at about 15k miles.

I don't think I would risk buying a used rental car unless it was only to be used for a short time and for short trips...say a student to get to classes. At the time we were just starting out, needed a second car, it was clean, low mileage and it was relatively cheap.

I wonder....if you resell the car do you have to tell them it was an ex-rental?

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer50,
I come up with them on 17 halfway between Middletown and Binghamton.

Google let me down.

We frequently deliver cars to the Manhien auction across the road from Stewart Airport near Newburg and to a company resale lot near Harrisburg. Wonder if they get cars from either. All their 2018 used cars are former rentals.

Oldfarmer....how good are rentals as used cars? Sometimes they say to stay away from them because different people drive them, and who knows what you are getting or what they have done to the car. I bought one ex-rental car......a 1978 Pontiac Le Mans. Looked like this;

It ran well, never let me down, but must have been the slowest 6 cylinder car on the road.

At least with a rental you can assume minimal maintenance.
If you want to scare yourself, go to YouTube and look up “rental car abuse”.
How long did you drive your ex rental? I would worry that major abuse wouldn’t show itself until the car aged.

I only kept that car for 2 years, and it was a second car - only put about 5k miles a year on it. It was pretty low mileage when I got it....at that time I think they flipped cars at about 15k miles.

I don't think I would risk buying a used rental car unless it was only to be used for a short time and for short trips...say a student to get to classes. At the time we were just starting out, needed a second car, it was clean, low mileage and it was relatively cheap.

I wonder....if you resell the car do you have to tell them it was an ex-rental?

Obviously if you bought it direct from the company you would know it was a rental. If you buy an ex rental in NY state the dealer has to tell you by law although a sleazy dealer might try to hide the disclosure in a pile of other paperwork. Your buddy HUGE Billy got caught doing that.

If you mean do you as a private seller have to reveal that, i’d say no. Buyer beware and get a CarFax.

oldfarmer50

What did I say about minivans?

https://youtu.be/JX5dRecxjgs

I can’t imagine there wouldn’t be consequences when the rental place found out. The guy shows the license plate and his face. Maybe that kid has rich parents.

ab348

The problem in trying to determine whether something was a "rental" is exactly what kind of rental it is. Daily Hertz/Avis/Enterprise rental vs. long-term rental vs. short-term lease vs. multi-year lease? Will any of those get much more than minimal maintenance? I think it may vary depending on a lot of factors. My 2002 Intrigue was, I suspect, an ex-rental of some sort but it never had any issues I could attribute to its early life and was in pristine condition when I bought it.

qbrozen

oldfarmer50 said:

Very important car care video.

https://youtu.be/2t09qfrYwok

cute

PF_Flyer

When the clocks change is a good time to flush and replace your headlight fluid too

abacomike

Regarding rentals, I have found through my experiences that cars whose manufacturers state that Premium Unleaded gasoline be used are not operated on PUG, but rather RUG because people who rent try to save 40+ cents a gallon when filling up.  Thus, over the long run, an engine could be harmed by carbon build up on the valves because of direct injection.  That’s one major reason I would stay away from used rentals that require PUG.

abacomike

qbrozen said:

Very important car care video. https://youtu.be/2t09qfrYwok

cute

Winter air vs. summer air?  In tires?  Now i’ve heard and seen everything!  Weight differentials between winter and summer air?  I would venture a guess that the delta is about an ounce in each tire - and that ounce is responsible for what?

Enjoyable video at the least - I just have to remember to weigh the air in my tires - but we don’t have winter air down here. 🤪😜😀😝

stickguy

Mike, agreed about the PUG issue.

The main problem I have with rentals is most of them are lower optioned cars I don’t want. Plus usually a model I don’t want. The rental part itself doesn’t bother me. It’s just another used car. Plus people love service loaner deals, and really those are just rentals too.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

any reason in particular that you are looking to replace a 2015 already? Especially when you have 2 other cars on hand. Just like spares?

The CrossTrek my daughter uses exclusively so it doesn't really enter the equation. It's out of warranty and it's just her time. She isn't really very interested, but that's normal. Cars are just transportation to her. I would like her to have the safety features available with the Subaru Eyesight system.

I get this too! You do save by keeping a car longer but I think about 5 or 6 years is the maximum sweet spot for keeping a car. By then there is new technology, more safety, more features, and there could be major repairs needed (I say could because chances are good there won't be, but there could be), and it hurts to put a few $1000 into an older car. Plus a warranty and reliability. The other factor is how much it affects your budget.....if you can do it might as well go for it.

I am going to have to disagree with you. I would say that doubling that time frame would be more accurate. Cars today can easily get well into the 100k+ range with no real issues. And is the 2019 Sludgemobile LX really that much safer and advanced over the 2014 Sludgemobile LX?

qbrozen

abacomike said:

Winter air vs. summer air?  In tires?  Now i’ve heard and seen everything!  Weight differentials between winter and summer air?  I would venture a guess that the delta is about an ounce in each tire - and that ounce is responsible for what?

Enjoyable video at the least - I just have to remember to weigh the air in my tires - but we don’t have winter air down here. 🤪😜😀😝

Surprising how much trouble they went through to make that.

imidazol97

I've had two rentals. The 08 Cobalt has served just fine. Had 22K mi on it. Might have been a lease car but had been somewhere on Long Island as part of its CarFix record.

Now has 130 K on it and sounds fine and shifts fine. Has had the typical maintenance. But has had full synthetic oil since I got it with regular oil changes before the recommended deadline.

The Cruze that replaced it had about 20K on it and now has about 68K mi. My son has had it. And I suspect it was a regular rental. Only failure has been a power window that my son killed by not scraping the ice off and that caused it to break because he had to run it up and down to get into the parking at work. Covered under warranty so it really doesn't count. Then recently a 60K water pump replaced under warranty. Those tiny pumps have idiopathic failures at random time periods. Covered under warranty so it wasn't a problem.

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

Regarding rentals, I have found through my experiences that cars whose manufacturers state that Premium Unleaded gasoline be used are not operated on PUG, but rather RUG because people who rent try to save 40+ cents a gallon when filling up.  Thus, over the long run, an engine could be harmed by carbon build up on the valves because of direct injection.  That’s one major reason I would stay away from used rentals that require PUG.

ALL our cars get fueled with RUG as any modern car will adjust to it. I can’t imagine a customer would do any different. I’m not aware that carbon buildup would be caused by that. Besides, wouldn’t beating the heck out of the car take care of that problem.

“A red line a day keeps the carbon away”

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

qbrozen said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Very important car care video.

https://youtu.be/2t09qfrYwok

cute

Winter air vs. summer air?  In tires?  Now i’ve heard and seen everything!  Weight differentials between winter and summer air?  I would venture a guess that the delta is about an ounce in each tire - and that ounce is responsible for what?

Enjoyable video at the least - I just have to remember to weigh the air in my tires - but we don’t have winter air down here. 🤪😜😀😝


I like the response in the comments section where a guy says he just cuts holes in the sidewall to let the air exchange naturally.

snakeweasel

venture said:

A few months ago we talked about the, seemingly, never ending methods of attempting to get gasoline out of a can. I was at Home Depot today and ran across this contraption:

I seemed to have missed that conversation. my only question would be what is the issue? Are we running out of gravity?

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

Mike, agreed about the PUG issue.

The main problem I have with rentals is most of them are lower optioned cars I don’t want. Plus usually a model I don’t want. The rental part itself doesn’t bother me. It’s just another used car. Plus people love service loaner deals, and really those are just rentals too.

Not necessarily. I brought a brand new F-150 to Vermont yesterday and our office guys were all excited because it was a ‘Lariat’ trim level. To me it was just another truck but they were drooling over the leather seats and Apple car play.

Most of our cars are at least one trim level higher than base model, sometime a lot higher.

snakeweasel

Deleted, had issues posting and it posted twice, once without my comment.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

@oldfarmer50, I come up with them on 17 halfway between Middletown and Binghamton.

Google let me down. We frequently deliver cars to the Manhien auction across the road from Stewart Airport near Newburg and to a company resale lot near Harrisburg. Wonder if they get cars from either. All their 2018 used cars are former rentals.

Oldfarmer....how good are rentals as used cars? Sometimes they say to stay away from them because different people drive them, and who knows what you are getting or what they have done to the car. I bought one ex-rental car......a 1978 Pontiac Le Mans. Looked like this; It ran well, never let me down, but must have been the slowest 6 cylinder car on the road.

My current daily drive is an ex rental. 10 years and almost 120k miles later no real issues.

henryn

My 2016 Chrysler Town and Country was an Enterprise rental unit. According to the carfax, they had it for 11 months and 34k miles. When I bought it, it was clean, everything worked, and I have had no problems over the last 27 months. I did have to replace an O2 sensor, but I doubt that had anything to do with being a rental unit.

ruking1

Indeed & the 02 sensor issue was probably a normally ODD occurrence. I’ve had 02 issues with almost all gasoline cars, seemingly different times & miles. If one wanted TMI, two places to check: 1. dealer service dept 2. Indy shops specializing in Chrysler’s & town and country

But 02 sensors are almost universally problematic. In my case, Toyota’s. 6/6 (app 945,000 miles)

Sandman6472

I bought an ex-rental back in 1981, a 1979 Nissan B 210 which was a fine vehicle. And many of our Hertz vehicles are mid level models but some base ones to. Got a bunch of BMW 7 Series down in Miami a couple of weeks ago and at Ft. Lauderdale, X5's lined up waiting for their plates to be screwed on. Have noticed most of the 2019 Kia's are coming in without Sirius/XM since they've already got Apple Carplay or Android Audio. Just plug my iPhone in and the Apple CarPlay comes on.
Interesting that O F gets to travel to a few states around his New York base. When I applied to the Enterprise by the Ft. Lauderdale airport, was told that I'd stay in Broward County as Palm Beach and Miami Dade had their own drivers. But at my southwest Broward County Hertz HLE, we service locations in Pembroke Pines, Davie, Weston, Miami Gardens and Miami Lakes since the first of the year when they broke up our territory. We finished today picking up all the vehicles used at the Miami Tennis Open at the Hard Rock stadium. We picked up a lot yesterday as it was a "mandatory Monday" for our office. There were seven who showed up and we picked up about 35 vehicles throughout the day. A few had body damage and we took them to be fixed at the body damage area in Ft. Lauderdale.
When I first started doing this in January of 2013, I worked for a couple of outfits that moved rental vehicles around the state of Florida but we didn't work everyday which I didin't like. I wanted a set schedule so I could have a life. When I got to Hertz in January 2014, that's exactly what I got and am still happy working my 3 days/week. We still do the occasional trip to West Palm Beach or Ft. Myers but make sure to be on those excursions as I prefer the long distance drives.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

venture said:

stickguy said:

any reason in particular that you are looking to replace a 2015 already? Especially when you have 2 other cars on hand. Just like spares?

The CrossTrek my daughter uses exclusively so it doesn't really enter the equation.

It's out of warranty and it's just her time. She isn't really very interested, but that's normal. Cars are just transportation to her. I would like her to have the safety features available with the Subaru Eyesight system.

I get this too! You do save by keeping a car longer but I think about 5 or 6 years is the maximum sweet spot for keeping a car. By then there is new technology, more safety, more features, and there could be major repairs needed (I say could because chances are good there won't be, but there could be), and it hurts to put a few $1000 into an older car. Plus a warranty and reliability. The other factor is how much it affects your budget.....if you can do it might as well go for it.

I am going to have to disagree with you. I would say that doubling that time frame would be more accurate. Cars today can easily get well into the 100k+ range with no real issues. And is the 2019 Sludgemobile LX really that much safer and advanced over the 2014 Sludgemobile LX

?

Sorry, I am going to double disagree with you. When a car reaches about 100000 miles there COULD BE some costly repairs. Belts, exhaust systems, catalytic converter (which could cost $2500 to replace), water pumps, transmission problems, burn oil, etc etc. Not all cars will have these problems, but I don't do well at gambling, so I would rather get into a newer car, and not have those kind of costly repairs.

Some of the cars now have auto braking and lane change warnings, most have more airbags, sensors, all kinds of things most 2014s did not have. Cars get safer as advances are made, Volvo says no one will die in a 2020 Volvo (I am sure there are limitations), but, they wouldn't have come close on a 2014 model. And when we are talking 150k miles we are comparing in most cases to a 2004 car....and we have come a long way since then.

venture

snakeweasel said:

venture said:

A few months ago we talked about the, seemingly, never ending methods of attempting to get gasoline out of a can.

I was at Home Depot today and ran across this contraption:

I seemed to have missed that conversation. my only question would be what is the issue? Are we running out of gravity?

The discussion was based on how often the discharge apparatus is changed on gas cans. It seems like it's about yearly. They had finally improved them to the point that I spilled gas every time I used it. I, and a few others, went on Amazon and got a simple spout.

The one in the picture is one I haven't seen before. There must be one guy at a desk at the EPA preserving his own job designing these nightmares.

henryn

I just open the gas can and use a funnel. Easy peasy.

explorerx4

@oldfarmer50,
Are you saying that's not a very reputable dealer?

roadburner

driver100 said:

Volvo says no one will die in a 2020 Volvo

Yes they will.
Of boredom.

roadburner

For me, keeping a car to around 150,000 miles is the sweet spot- although I kept the X3 and MS3 somewhat longer. And I'll likely hold on to the Club Sport-and possibly the Wrangler-forever.
That said, the plan is to use the Clubman as my DD until the end of my term- at which point it will have about 15 years and 151,000 miles on it. It's comfortable, handles well, gets great mileage, and has heated seats, navigation, and SiriusXM- I don't care about any nannies or the ability to ram brick walls at higher speeds.
If I decide to replace the 2er it will only be because I found something faster.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

venture said:

stickguy said:

any reason in particular that you are looking to replace a 2015 already? Especially when you have 2 other cars on hand. Just like spares?

The CrossTrek my daughter uses exclusively so it doesn't really enter the equation.

It's out of warranty and it's just her time. She isn't really very interested, but that's normal. Cars are just transportation to her. I would like her to have the safety features available with the Subaru Eyesight system.

I get this too! You do save by keeping a car longer but I think about 5 or 6 years is the maximum sweet spot for keeping a car. By then there is new technology, more safety, more features, and there could be major repairs needed (I say could because chances are good there won't be, but there could be), and it hurts to put a few $1000 into an older car. Plus a warranty and reliability. The other factor is how much it affects your budget.....if you can do it might as well go for it.

I am going to have to disagree with you. I would say that doubling that time frame would be more accurate. Cars today can easily get well into the 100k+ range with no real issues. And is the 2019 Sludgemobile LX really that much safer and advanced over the 2014 Sludgemobile LX

?

Sorry, I am going to double disagree with you. When a car reaches about 100000 miles there COULD BE some costly repairs. Belts, exhaust systems, catalytic converter (which could cost $2500 to replace), water pumps, transmission problems, burn oil, etc etc. Not all cars will have these problems, but I don't do well at gambling, so I would rather get into a newer car, and not have those kind of costly repairs.

Some of the cars now have auto braking and lane change warnings, most have more airbags, sensors, all kinds of things most 2014s did not have. Cars get safer as advances are made, Volvo says no one will die in a 2020 Volvo (I am sure there are limitations), but, they wouldn't have come close on a 2014 model. And when we are talking 150k miles we are comparing in most cases to a 2004 car....and we have come a long way since then.



I think you worry too much. You’ll spend a fortune fixing all those fancy do dads on your new car and then choke on your Denny’s special dinner.

Mr_Shiftright

roadburner said:

driver100 said:

Volvo says no one will die in a 2020 Volvo

Yes they will.
Of boredom.

Oh man that's just asking for it. (Hit by train).

oldfarmer50

Sandman6472 said:

I bought an ex-rental back in 1981, a 1979 Nissan B 210 which was a fine vehicle. And many of our Hertz vehicles are mid level models but some base ones to. Got a bunch of BMW 7 Series down in Miami a couple of weeks ago and at Ft. Lauderdale, X5's lined up waiting for their plates to be screwed on. Have noticed most of the 2019 Kia's are coming in without Sirius/XM since they've already got Apple Carplay or Android Audio. Just plug my iPhone in and the Apple CarPlay comes on.
Interesting that O F gets to travel to a few states around his New York base. When I applied to the Enterprise by the Ft. Lauderdale airport, was told that I'd stay in Broward County as Palm Beach and Miami Dade had their own drivers. But at my southwest Broward County Hertz HLE, we service locations in Pembroke Pines, Davie, Weston, Miami Gardens and Miami Lakes since the first of the year when they broke up our territory. We finished today picking up all the vehicles used at the Miami Tennis Open at the Hard Rock stadium. We picked up a lot yesterday as it was a "mandatory Monday" for our office. There were seven who showed up and we picked up about 35 vehicles throughout the day. A few had body damage and we took them to be fixed at the body damage area in Ft. Lauderdale.
When I first started doing this in January of 2013, I worked for a couple of outfits that moved rental vehicles around the state of Florida but we didn't work everyday which I didin't like. I wanted a set schedule so I could have a life. When I got to Hertz in January 2014, that's exactly what I got and am still happy working my 3 days/week. We still do the occasional trip to West Palm Beach or Ft. Myers but make sure to be on those excursions as I prefer the long distance drives.

It’s the long trips we live for. When we get stuck shuttling cars out of the airport to the cleaning facility everybody is grumpy.

Did you get to drive one of those 7 series? I’d love one if I had the $90k.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

venture said:

stickguy said:

any reason in particular that you are looking to replace a 2015 already? Especially when you have 2 other cars on hand. Just like spares?

The CrossTrek my daughter uses exclusively so it doesn't really enter the equation.

It's out of warranty and it's just her time. She isn't really very interested, but that's normal. Cars are just transportation to her. I would like her to have the safety features available with the Subaru Eyesight system.

I get this too! You do save by keeping a car longer but I think about 5 or 6 years is the maximum sweet spot for keeping a car. By then there is new technology, more safety, more features, and there could be major repairs needed (I say could because chances are good there won't be, but there could be), and it hurts to put a few $1000 into an older car. Plus a warranty and reliability. The other factor is how much it affects your budget.....if you can do it might as well go for it.

I am going to have to disagree with you. I would say that doubling that time frame would be more accurate. Cars today can easily get well into the 100k+ range with no real issues. And is the 2019 Sludgemobile LX really that much safer and advanced over the 2014 Sludgemobile LX

?

Sorry, I am going to double disagree with you. When a car reaches about 100000 miles there COULD BE some costly repairs. Belts, exhaust systems, catalytic converter (which could cost $2500 to replace), water pumps, transmission problems, burn oil, etc etc. Not all cars will have these problems, but I don't do well at gambling, so I would rather get into a newer car, and not have those kind of costly repairs.

Some of the cars now have auto braking and lane change warnings, most have more airbags, sensors, all kinds of things most 2014s did not have. Cars get safer as advances are made, Volvo says no one will die in a 2020 Volvo (I am sure there are limitations), but, they wouldn't have come close on a 2014 model. And when we are talking 150k miles we are comparing in most cases to a 2004 car....and we have come a long way since then.



But a car at any age/mileage can have costly repairs. However the odds of it are very low on a car up to 150k miles on a well maintained vehicle. While a 2019 car might be safer than a 2014 car but it wont be that much safer, all things being equal. Most cases a 150k car would be 10 years old or so, so that would make it a 2009.

Mr_Shiftright

I think you have to view some costs as "expendables", not as repairs. Belts and water pumps at 100K are pretty normal items that any car would face--especially if the timing belt is due at 100K--you'd replace the water pump, too.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer50,
Are you saying that's not a very reputable dealer?

No, not at all. I have zero knowledge about that dealer. I just mentioned that all the 2018s on their used car lot mentioned previous rental status on the CarFax. From my experience I would say most dealers sell 1 or two year old rentals. The supply of people like Mike who trade every year must be limited.

Were you looking at something in particular?

explorerx4

@oldfarmer50,
I have a thought but not a plan.
Maybe was wrong with my geography on dealer location.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

venture said:

stickguy said:

any reason in particular that you are looking to replace a 2015 already? Especially when you have 2 other cars on hand. Just like spares?

The CrossTrek my daughter uses exclusively so it doesn't really enter the equation.

It's out of warranty and it's just her time. She isn't really very interested, but that's normal. Cars are just transportation to her. I would like her to have the safety features available with the Subaru Eyesight system.

I get this too! You do save by keeping a car longer but I think about 5 or 6 years is the maximum sweet spot for keeping a car. By then there is new technology, more safety, more features, and there could be major repairs needed (I say could because chances are good there won't be, but there could be), and it hurts to put a few $1000 into an older car. Plus a warranty and reliability. The other factor is how much it affects your budget.....if you can do it might as well go for it.

I am going to have to disagree with you. I would say that doubling that time frame would be more accurate. Cars today can easily get well into the 100k+ range with no real issues. And is the 2019 Sludgemobile LX really that much safer and advanced over the 2014 Sludgemobile LX

?

Sorry, I am going to double disagree with you. When a car reaches about 100000 miles there COULD BE some costly repairs. Belts, exhaust systems, catalytic converter (which could cost $2500 to replace), water pumps, transmission problems, burn oil, etc etc. Not all cars will have these problems, but I don't do well at gambling, so I would rather get into a newer car, and not have those kind of costly repairs.

Some of the cars now have auto braking and lane change warnings, most have more airbags, sensors, all kinds of things most 2014s did not have. Cars get safer as advances are made, Volvo says no one will die in a 2020 Volvo (I am sure there are limitations), but, they wouldn't have come close on a 2014 model. And when we are talking 150k miles we are comparing in most cases to a 2004 car....and we have come a long way since then.

But a car at any age/mileage can have costly repairs. However the odds of it are very low on a car up to 150k miles on a well maintained vehicle. While a 2019 car might be safer than a 2014 car but it wont be that much safer, all things being equal. Most cases a 150k car would be 10 years old or so, so that would make it a 2009

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Catalytic converters can go at 100000 miles and can cost $2500 to repair. But, like Mr S said, somethings are going to go. To me, there are some factors that are important to me too, my time is more valuable than sitting in garage, or on the phone making appointments, or not having reliable transportation, knowing I can get in my car and the odds are 99.999% I won't have a breakdown on a 100 mile trip.....PLUS, added safety, PLUS newest features (heated steering wheel, gps, lane change warnings, surround camera, rear camera, bluetooth, twin turbos producing 339 h.p. , 2 sunroofs, latest sound system, latest warning lights, tire pressure monitors, some cars have auto braking.

And, a big one is getting a new car every 5 or 6 years max is like a house....forced savings, so that when you do need a new car, your trade is still worth something, and the difference in cost between the trade in and the new one isn't as great. A lot of the extra money you gain by driving an older car will get spent, unless you set it aside for the day you need a new car. Then it is sitting in a bank...you may as well be riding it.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

venture said:

stickguy said:

any reason in particular that you are looking to replace a 2015 already? Especially when you have 2 other cars on hand. Just like spares?

The CrossTrek my daughter uses exclusively so it doesn't really enter the equation.

It's out of warranty and it's just her time. She isn't really very interested, but that's normal. Cars are just transportation to her. I would like her to have the safety features available with the Subaru Eyesight system.

I get this too! You do save by keeping a car longer but I think about 5 or 6 years is the maximum sweet spot for keeping a car. By then there is new technology, more safety, more features, and there could be major repairs needed (I say could because chances are good there won't be, but there could be), and it hurts to put a few $1000 into an older car. Plus a warranty and reliability. The other factor is how much it affects your budget.....if you can do it might as well go for it.

I am going to have to disagree with you. I would say that doubling that time frame would be more accurate. Cars today can easily get well into the 100k+ range with no real issues. And is the 2019 Sludgemobile LX really that much safer and advanced over the 2014 Sludgemobile LX

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Sorry, I am going to double disagree with you. When a car reaches about 100000 miles there COULD BE some costly repairs. Belts, exhaust systems, catalytic converter (which could cost $2500 to replace), water pumps, transmission problems, burn oil, etc etc. Not all cars will have these problems, but I don't do well at gambling, so I would rather get into a newer car, and not have those kind of costly repairs.

Some of the cars now have auto braking and lane change warnings, most have more airbags, sensors, all kinds of things most 2014s did not have. Cars get safer as advances are made, Volvo says no one will die in a 2020 Volvo (I am sure there are limitations), but, they wouldn't have come close on a 2014 model. And when we are talking 150k miles we are comparing in most cases to a 2004 car....and we have come a long way since then.

But a car at any age/mileage can have costly repairs. However the odds of it are very low on a car up to 150k miles on a well maintained vehicle. While a 2019 car might be safer than a 2014 car but it wont be that much safer, all things being equal. Most cases a 150k car would be 10 years old or so, so that would make it a 2009

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Catalytic converters can go at 100000 miles and can cost $2500 to repair. But, like Mr S said, somethings are going to go. To me, there are some factors that are important to me too, my time is more valuable than sitting in garage, or on the phone making appointments, or not having reliable transportation, knowing I can get in my car and the odds are 99.999% I won't have a breakdown on a 100 mile trip.....PLUS, added safety, PLUS newest features (heated steering wheel, gps, lane change warnings, surround camera, rear camera, bluetooth, twin turbos producing 339 h.p. , 2 sunroofs, latest sound system, latest warning lights, tire pressure monitors, some cars have auto braking.

And, a big one is getting a new car every 5 or 6 years max is like a house....forced savings, so that when you do need a new car, your trade is still worth something, and the difference in cost between the trade in and the new one isn't as great. A lot of the extra money you gain by driving an older car will get spent, unless you set it aside for the day you need a new car. Then it is sitting in a bank...you may as well be riding it.

We have taken several cars to over 170k miles with no major repair bills. No major time In shops and the like. Cars today don't need the repairs that cars 50 years ago needed.

As for the forced savings that's a false economy. Its always costly to swap out cars, you will spend more buying a new car every 5 years than if you do every 6 years. Keep cars longer and save more. I really think 12 years is the sweet spot.

venture

henryn said:

I just open the gas can and use a funnel. Easy peasy.

In an amateur situation that's fine. I do that at home sometimes.

When I'm working there are multiple places to handle gas. Having a dependable, hassle free, dispenser is important.

sda

Our Pilot is doing fine with about 134k. I have religiously kept up with maintenance, including timing belt, spark plugs, trans service. It is paid for and my wife really likes it, though she has pointed out she likes the Audi Q5 several times. Hint, hint. However, if the Pilot starts acting up she will kick it to the curb. I think at 150k I will start looking for her next ride.

explorerx4

@driver100,
I flew in an airline's newest plane a few months ago, a 737.
Just think about how many times you have flown on a plane that has millions of air miles on it.
No warranty and no guarantee it will stay in the air either.

explorerx4

I can't believe our town ever let this house get built(built by a Madoff type back in the 80's).
https://www.wfsb.com/news/rapper-cent-s-farmington-house-finally-sells/article_2de35e74-5586-11e9-93cf-1f7f45a13609.html

Listing with pictures
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/50-Poplar-Hill-Dr-Farmington-CT-06032/2140575838_zpid/

Sandman6472

Nope. They had just come in off the truck and were in line to be pdi'd. Our office is an HLE one, just like the Enterprise offices and they try to give us vehicles that have about 10K or more on them. Sometimes we get returns with much lower mileage or at maintenance, we pick up lower miled vehicles in the ready lines. Had one on Monday with just 2995 on the clock, still had that new car smell. Like you, every day is different with no two ever the same.
Did pick up an application at the VW store today. Asked one of the main guys if they were looking for shuttle drivers. He said fill out an app, so I got one. Have done this a few times in the past but think once I leave, they toss them. Guess they figure my cane makes me not fit to work there but today, did say that I've been at Hertz for over 5 years now but would like something much closer to home. The VW store is like 3.5 miles so would be perfect. They hire older retired men but I'm a little younger than what they normally go with. Just for kicks, think I'll fill it out tomorrow and drop it off on Thursday. I know it's a waste of time but have got nothing to loose.
Saw on Indeed, the nearby Toyota store was looking for a shuttle driver awhile back. Applied online but again, nothing. But the ad could've been a bit old. But I'd enjoy that also. I know they go from Palm Beach to Miami if need be. Again, might as well give it a try. One never knows and crazier things have happened.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

@oldfarmer50,
I have a thought but not a plan.
Maybe was wrong with my geography on dealer location.

After you mentioned it being on rt. 17 I found it on Google. In Nanuet near the Tappen Zee, right?

explorerx4

@oldfarmer50,
Yes, maybe I just looked at it from a different direction to start.

explorerx4

@oldfarmer50,
BTW, Governor Cuomo Bridge now?

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

I can't believe our town ever let this house get built(built by a Madoff type back in the 80's).
https://www.wfsb.com/news/rapper-cent-s-farmington-house-finally-sells/article_2de35e74-5586-11e9-93cf-1f7f45a13609.html

Listing with pictures
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/50-Poplar-Hill-Dr-Farmington-CT-06032/2140575838_zpid/

That’s a bargain for a house that size.