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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,238
    jmonroe1 said:

    stickguy said:

    OF, I used carvana because they offered more than anyone else. They were enough higher than the dealer I bought at it more than offset the potential sales tax savings.

    Plus it is easy.

    Same here. Carvana gave me $2,251 more than the dealer offered, and he didn't budge one penny, for Mrs. j's 2012 Legacy this past April. All I needed was $700 more to break even for tax purposes. If there was ever a no brainer, that was it.

    jmonroe

    My only problem with Carvana was they had no local presence and would not pick a car up beyond 66 miles from Hartford CT IIRC. I would have to drive the other 66 miles with a backup driver for a straight sale.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,450
    I had some confusion with my appointment so ended up delivering it to them at the vending machine in Philly, and they paid to Uber me home. At least I got to see the hokey delivery happen!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,365

    jmonroe1 said:

    stickguy said:

    OF, I used carvana because they offered more than anyone else. They were enough higher than the dealer I bought at it more than offset the potential sales tax savings.

    Plus it is easy.

    Same here. Carvana gave me $2,251 more than the dealer offered, and he didn't budge one penny, for Mrs. j's 2012 Legacy this past April. All I needed was $700 more to break even for tax purposes. If there was ever a no brainer, that was it.

    jmonroe

    My only problem with Carvana was they had no local presence and would not pick a car up beyond 66 miles from Hartford CT IIRC. I would have to drive the other 66 miles with a backup driver for a straight sale.
    Have you ever thought about moving closer to civilization? B)

    jmonroe
    '15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's.
    '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,238
    edited September 2019
    jmonroe1 said:

    jmonroe1 said:

    stickguy said:

    OF, I used carvana because they offered more than anyone else. They were enough higher than the dealer I bought at it more than offset the potential sales tax savings.

    Plus it is easy.

    Same here. Carvana gave me $2,251 more than the dealer offered, and he didn't budge one penny, for Mrs. j's 2012 Legacy this past April. All I needed was $700 more to break even for tax purposes. If there was ever a no brainer, that was it.

    jmonroe

    My only problem with Carvana was they had no local presence and would not pick a car up beyond 66 miles from Hartford CT IIRC. I would have to drive the other 66 miles with a backup driver for a straight sale.
    Have you ever thought about moving closer to civilization? B)

    jmonroe
    Hey, I’m pretty close to civilization: :p



    Actually I bet it has more to do with Carvana having to deal with New York State making it difficult to do business. Did you know that NY is the only state that doesn’t allow Turo to operate?

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,450
    I know for a while you could not do normal leases in NYS.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,519
    stickguy said:

    I know for a while you could not do normal leases in NYS.

    That was back in 2010. The lease was up on our ‘07 X3. We were paying $472/month at the time. They only offered the balloon payment financing so our payment on what would have been the same SUV skyrocketed to almost $700 per month. No thank-you.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,355
    I read a couple of articles about the new Mustang EcoBoost 2.3L High Performance Pack. While I still think a Mustang sans V8 is a crime against nature, I went to Ford.com and configured one with the same level of equipment as my 2er(leather, navigation, heated seats/wheel, audio upgrade, etc.). Care to guess the MSRP?
    Over $45k. Wow. I sure don't see the market for that car at that price point.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,618
    edited September 2019
    P. T. Barnum did.

    Fortunes have been made since.
    '08 Acura TSX, '17 Subaru Forester
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,238
    edited September 2019

    I read a couple of articles about the new Mustang EcoBoost 2.3L High Performance Pack. While I still think a Mustang sans V8 is a crime against nature, I went to Ford.com and configured one with the same level of equipment as my 2er(leather, navigation, heated seats/wheel, audio upgrade, etc.). Care to guess the MSRP?
    Over $45k. Wow. I sure don't see the market for that car at that price point.

    Maybe that’s why so many are in rental fleets.

    The other day I was delivering to a Ford dealer and out in the lot was a Bullitt edition 5.0. Looked great in black with red calipers. $51,000! Next to it was a 2.3 with a sticker of $32,000. Both nice cars but way too pricey.




    My Ford dealer keeps emailing me with offers on a new 2019 Mustang for the same as I’m paying now. Why I would want another 60 months of payments when I only have 7 now he doesn’t say. I even had some sales woman call me at dinner last night asking how I like my current car...not that she was trying to sell me mind you, just to make sure I’m happy.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,238
    stickguy said:

    I know for a while you could not do normal leases in NYS.


    That was a gift to the lawyers lobby where they were suing car manufacturers for damages caused by people who leased. Dealers had to technically sell you the car with a balloon payment at the end of the lease to get around it. Drove up the price like crazy.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,238
    Say, has anyone else been getting deluged with phishing emails from many different banks (most of which I don’t have business with)? Official looking messages saying there has been suspicious activity and the account has been blocked and go to a site to unlocked it.

    I’ve had these before but never in such volume. Almost one a day. Today I got three from one supposed “bank” that I’ve never heard of.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • sb55sb55 Member Posts: 659

    nyccarguy said:

    @olodfarmer50 - Nope. It is a personal vehicle. I use it for commuting purposes. Not a write off at all. Commercial insurance is very expensive and then I couldn't drive it on the "parkways," and only on the Interstate & designated truck routes.

    @snakeweasel - Correct. I should have.

    Oh yes, those Parkways are a killer in your area. I ran the chance of a ticket taking a cargo van on one when we delivered a bunch to FedEx in White Plains. I had no choice as my GPS wouldn’t give me any other route.
    For those who know the area, parkways in CT and NY are cars only. I have a friend from Georgia who got on the Merritt Parkway towing their Airstream camper. They got on at 287 in NY and didn't get pulled over by police until Fairfield, CT! Lucky that they didn't hit a bridge and only got a ticket!

    2025 Toyota Crown Signia Hybrid, 2022 Ram 2500 Laramie 6.4 Hemi, 2007 Mazda MX-5 Miata PRHT

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,748
    sb55 said:

    nyccarguy said:

    @olodfarmer50 - Nope. It is a personal vehicle. I use it for commuting purposes. Not a write off at all. Commercial insurance is very expensive and then I couldn't drive it on the "parkways," and only on the Interstate & designated truck routes.

    @snakeweasel - Correct. I should have.

    Oh yes, those Parkways are a killer in your area. I ran the chance of a ticket taking a cargo van on one when we delivered a bunch to FedEx in White Plains. I had no choice as my GPS wouldn’t give me any other route.
    For those who know the area, parkways in CT and NY are cars only. I have a friend from Georgia who got on the Merritt Parkway towing their Airstream camper. They got on at 287 in NY and didn't get pulled over by police until Fairfield, CT! Lucky that they didn't hit a bridge and only got a ticket!
    What does a ticket foe that run? So are there signs stating no trailers? I have never noticed.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592

    I read a couple of articles about the new Mustang EcoBoost 2.3L High Performance Pack. While I still think a Mustang sans V8 is a crime against nature, I went to Ford.com and configured one with the same level of equipment as my 2er(leather, navigation, heated seats/wheel, audio upgrade, etc.). Care to guess the MSRP?
    Over $45k. Wow. I sure don't see the market for that car at that price point.

    That begs the question of what is the MSRP of your 2er and what are they both actually selling at?

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,766
    Haven't posted in about 3 weeks.
    Last one was just before we jumped in the car to drive to Ohio to see our new grandson, born 3 weeks early.
    Daughter went into the hospital for a scheduled test and they ended up doing an emergency c section.
    Made it to the hospital in 9 hours. Nurses in the NICU were awesome.
    One of ther doctors told my son in law that if they had waited another day, could have lost both mom and baby.
    Sttrange because the first 8 months went perfect.
    Both are now doing fine.
    When I got back home a few days later, I was getting ready to post here when we took a lightning hit and the desktop hardrive got scrambled beyond repair. After several trys to bring it back to life, I just ordered another desktiop to replace it.
    Tried to get here using my phone, but it was a pain, so I skipped that.
    Using an old laptop for now, until new desktop arrives.
    Have some catching up to do in a few forums.

    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • carnaughtcarnaught Member Posts: 3,582
    @explorerx4, congrats on the new grandson! Yes, in Obstetrics things can change rapidly. It’s a combination of skill and luck to achieve a successful outcome.
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,355
    edited September 2019

    I read a couple of articles about the new Mustang EcoBoost 2.3L High Performance Pack. While I still think a Mustang sans V8 is a crime against nature, I went to Ford.com and configured one with the same level of equipment as my 2er(leather, navigation, heated seats/wheel, audio upgrade, etc.). Care to guess the MSRP?
    Over $45k. Wow. I sure don't see the market for that car at that price point.

    That begs the question of what is the MSRP of your 2er and what are they both actually selling at?
    A new M240i equipped similarly would be a tick over $50k, although I could probably get it for less. I wouldn't hesitate for a second to pay 10%-15% more to get an M240i instead of a four cylinder Mustang- especially as the M240 is significantly faster. A Bullitt-even at $51k-would be a MUCH more intriguing proposition.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • houdini2houdini2 Member Posts: 411

    I have an iPhone XS that I begrudgingly bought last year after my iPhone 7 gave up the ghost. XR wasn’t out yet.

    It’s fine. The camera is wonderful. I hate how expensive the hardware is and short the lifespan seems to be. I will not be getting the new iPhone 11.

    Won't all phones for sale now be obsolete when 5G kicks in? If so, why buy a new phone now?
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,681

    Haven't posted in about 3 weeks.
    Last one was just before we jumped in the car to drive to Ohio to see our new grandson, born 3 weeks early.
    Daughter went into the hospital for a scheduled test and they ended up doing an emergency c section.
    Made it to the hospital in 9 hours. Nurses in the NICU were awesome.
    One of ther doctors told my son in law that if they had waited another day, could have lost both mom and baby.
    Sttrange because the first 8 months went perfect.
    Both are now doing fine.
    When I got back home a few days later, I was getting ready to post here when we took a lightning hit and the desktop hardrive got scrambled beyond repair. After several trys to bring it back to life, I just ordered another desktiop to replace it.
    Tried to get here using my phone, but it was a pain, so I skipped that.
    Using an old laptop for now, until new desktop arrives.
    Have some catching up to do in a few forums.

    Where in Ohio is your daughter?
    Congratulations on the family addition!

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • houdini2houdini2 Member Posts: 411
    edited September 2019
    jmonroe1 said:

    omarman said:

    abacomike said:

    According to news reports, next year (2020 NFL season), the Dolphins already have 3 1st round draft choices and an available 100 million dollar salary cap. In 2021, they have 4 more 1st round picks. But they admit this year will be most unfortunate for fans. TELL ME ABOUT IT!🤪😜😂

    “We can’t win at home and we can’t win on the road,” John McKay once said. “What we need is a neutral site.” B)
    That's good but John Mckay's best quote was when he was asked about his Tampa Bay Buccaneer's execution, he responded, "I'm all for it".

    jmonroe
    There used to a hilarious short video or film of McKay walking the sidelines of a game and making comments. The best stand up comedy scene I have ever seen. I couldn't find it last time I looked.
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    Now car thieves can steal your keyless start car by using a booster to trick your key into sending the signal to them,. While you are asleep in your house, they can drive away in your keyless starting car.
    https://youtu.be/bR8RrmEizVg

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    Congratulations and very best wishes Explorer. Hope it will be smooth sailing from here on in....that is a lot to contend with for few weeks.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,464
    Faraday bag can solve keyless entry worries. I have a friend who's Mazda was stolen that same way.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Heads up might have a 4 series in the driveway soon. Test drove one and the wife is in love.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594

    Heads up might have a 4 series in the driveway soon. Test drove one and the wife is in love.

    That is what happens when you drive a car like a BMW. In 2004 I thought I would trade in my 2000 JEEP for a new one....but, tried an X3 and I didn't want to get out of it. I didn't know driving could be so enjoyable.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,681
    driver100 said:

    Now car thieves can steal your keyless start car by using a booster to trick your key into sending the signal to them,. While you are asleep in your house, they can drive away in your keyless starting car.
    https://youtu.be/bR8RrmEizVg

    Just give me a standard key fob and key for my car. Thank you.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,321
    A Bullitt Mustang - in dark green, not black (heresy!), is a very appealing car. I could even live with the black interior given the performance.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,766
    edited September 2019
    @imid,
    They live just west of Cleveland. Hospital is part of the Cleveland Clinic group and might actually be in Cleveland.

    Regarding Bullitt Mustang, I have seen the new one discounted a couple of thousand locally.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,937
    edited September 2019
    qbrozen said:

    andres3 said:

    So someone talks about the "out left lane camping a left lane camper method." You know, where you teach them a lesson with their own medicine. You get in front, slow down 20 below what they were driving, forcing them to move right (where they should have been all along), and then you gun the gas as soon as they do so. Rinse and repeat if necessary if they get back in the left lane while passing no one.

    At the risk of stirring up another LLC debate in here, what do you all think of this argument:

    Former Cop to the guy teaching LLC's a lesson : "So you are committing vehicle code violations to force other people to obey the vehicle code? Does this make sense to you?"

    @andres3 to the former Cop : "Isn't that what you did every day when you catch up to a speeder and ticket them? Or please do tell how you catch up to a speeder without speeding. I’m dying to know! LOL! The hypocrisy is so thick I’m just stuck."

    Former Cop: "cops are exempted from certain vehicle codes while in pursuit."

    Me: So those that make and enforce laws have an interest in maintaining the Monopoly to enforce those laws? Cite him for impersonating an Officer then, but don't criticize the methods since they are exactly the same as your own!"

    Who's more right?

    More right? Eh. I just think the former cop is making the wrong argument. It isn’t a matter of HOW a non-officer is attempting to enforce the law, it is that they should not be doing it at all. Maybe the LLC is taking it upon him/herself to enforce the speed limit. So I’d rather nobody on the road who is not an officer try to enforce traffic rules.
    Exactly agree! The cop was wrong for criticizing their own exact methods when someone was duplicating them exactly. The height of hypocrisy. Yes, Officer's break the law in order to enforce the law. Yes, we give them exemptions, but those exemptions are a fantasy in reality. They only exist on paper. There is no "super human" special powers instilled in the Police.

    @snakeweasel gave a few reasons why we might exempt Police Officer's from following the laws as written. However, those are all ASSUMPTIONS.

    He assumes the civilian isn't a former cop (formerly trained too). He assumes the training provided to the Officer was any good. I'd argue law enforcement receives horrible training, hence their horrible performance helping to cause double the fatality rates in the USA (per mile driven) compared to Germany in some years. I don't think all cops are bad, but I am certain the bad performance overall is traced to bad training to begin with.

    He assumes the cop is trained to drive better (the CHP Officer that didn't even think to put it in neutral in the Lexus with "runaway" acceleration suggests otherwise). He assumes the civilian doesn't have advanced driver training. As far as vehicles go, I'm not sure that makes much of a difference. The LLC doesn't usually get out of the way for flashing lights, although blue and red flashing lights might work better than flashing headlights.



    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,937
    stickguy said:

    when people on the road start playing "the law" it often has bad consequences. Just go around and ignore them. Because it is highly unlikely they are going to have some sort of epiphany. Road rage maybe though. Or ending up in an accident.

    I did tell the guy doing the "vigilante road justice" that he should be prepared for wild, raging reactions, unpredictable crazy behavior, and for retaliation of all sorts.

    Being given a dose of their own medicine often triggers passive-aggressive drivers into aggressive racers.

    However, I disagree that he's necessarily making the situation worse. A rolling road block blocking 2 lanes is more hazardous than having the "fast/passing" lane be on the right. If every faster car is allowed to pass on the right thanks to his actions, it's preferable to gridlock and congestion from the rolling road block. After all, most collisions happen at slow speeds, such as those on the freeway with everyone poking along.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,937

    andres3 said:

    So someone talks about the "out left lane camping a left lane camper method." You know, where you teach them a lesson with their own medicine. You get in front, slow down 20 below what they were driving, forcing them to move right (where they should have been all along), and then you gun the gas as soon as they do so. Rinse and repeat if necessary if they get back in the left lane while passing no one.

    At the risk of stirring up another LLC debate in here, what do you all think of this argument:

    Former Cop to the guy teaching LLC's a lesson : "So you are committing vehicle code violations to force other people to obey the vehicle code? Does this make sense to you?"

    @andres3 to the former Cop : "Isn't that what you did every day when you catch up to a speeder and ticket them? Or please do tell how you catch up to a speeder without speeding. I’m dying to know! LOL! The hypocrisy is so thick I’m just stuck."

    Former Cop: "cops are exempted from certain vehicle codes while in pursuit."

    Me: So those that make and enforce laws have an interest in maintaining the Monopoly to enforce those laws? Cite him for impersonating an Officer then, but don't criticize the methods since they are exactly the same as your own!"

    Who's more right?

    The former cop is more right by a wide margin. The officer is empowered to enforce the law, has the proper training and the proper equipment (i.e. police vehicle with emergency lights). The person "teaching" the so called lesson has none of those, is driving aggressively and is a hazard on the road. I would think that the person "teaching the lesson" becomes a greater road hazard than the LLC as the former is unpredictable while latter is predictable.

    I'd also argue the LLC is not predictable. They are clearly an identified bad driver hazard, but who knows what they'll do. They become especially unpredictable after being given a dose of their own medicine. Meanwhile, the guy that did this is suggesting he follows a strict set of guidelines, procedures, and follows them predictably.

    Then of course, there is the release of pressure on the bottleneck the LLC is causing by more easily allowing faster traffic to pass, although, not preferably, on the right. Bottlenecks ARE HAZARDOUS. Rear-End collisions don't always end in only property damage.

    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594

    driver100 said:

    Now car thieves can steal your keyless start car by using a booster to trick your key into sending the signal to them,. While you are asleep in your house, they can drive away in your keyless starting car.
    https://youtu.be/bR8RrmEizVg

    Just give me a standard key fob and key for my car. Thank you.
    You haven't lived until you have had a keyless key. No more forgetting, and then getting into your car and having to stretch and lean over to try and extract a key from your pocket....along with all the other stuff, Kleenex, mints, pocket knife, dog treats......etc.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,937
    edited September 2019

    I read a couple of articles about the new Mustang EcoBoost 2.3L High Performance Pack. While I still think a Mustang sans V8 is a crime against nature, I went to Ford.com and configured one with the same level of equipment as my 2er(leather, navigation, heated seats/wheel, audio upgrade, etc.). Care to guess the MSRP?
    Over $45k. Wow. I sure don't see the market for that car at that price point.

    Has one of the American fan-boys chimed in yet that the MSRP doesn't mean anything with American cars? You are supposed to get at least $10K off from rebates and discounts so don't pay any attention to the MSRP :worried:
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,937
    edited September 2019

    I read a couple of articles about the new Mustang EcoBoost 2.3L High Performance Pack. While I still think a Mustang sans V8 is a crime against nature, I went to Ford.com and configured one with the same level of equipment as my 2er(leather, navigation, heated seats/wheel, audio upgrade, etc.). Care to guess the MSRP?
    Over $45k. Wow. I sure don't see the market for that car at that price point.

    Maybe that’s why so many are in rental fleets.

    The other day I was delivering to a Ford dealer and out in the lot was a Bullitt edition 5.0. Looked great in black with red calipers. $51,000! Next to it was a 2.3 with a sticker of $32,000. Both nice cars but way too pricey.




    My Ford dealer keeps emailing me with offers on a new 2019 Mustang for the same as I’m paying now. Why I would want another 60 months of payments when I only have 7 now he doesn’t say. I even had some sales woman call me at dinner last night asking how I like my current car...not that she was trying to sell me mind you, just to make sure I’m happy.
    IF the banks would offer it, I"m sure there are many car salesman that would give a 600 month loan out to get someone to buy a car they can't really afford.

    The monthly payment buyer only cares that the monthly payment is low, not that they have to pay it back for the rest of their lives.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,681
    edited September 2019
    LLC--at speed limit or above

    Most here are those that go the speed limit in the left lane in medium or lighter traffic. If the traffic is heavy enough all lanes are used, as they should be used for cars, they don't bear any responsibility to clear the way for the LLD to have "their" lane free.

    I think it's ridiculous in the typical traffic I see here on 2 lane and 3 lane interstates for the LLD folks to try to force someone to get out of "their" lane so they can speed on through without themselves changing lanes. In some cases for the LLC to change lanes in between fairly spaced vehicles is a maneuver that is with risk of overlooking another vehicle.

    Since the LLD'er thinks they are a superior driver and can run at a higher speed further above the speed limit, they should make the lane changes since they feel they can safely do it. Go around then speed on their merry way.

    ****
    I was thinking about this on a 3 lane interstate on the way to pick up something this morning. I noticed a person who had bought a premium vehicle which I suspect they feel entitles them as a better than average driver. Traffic was between light and medium w/ trucks spaced. This person was in the left lane, then the middle, then the right lane. He/she ended up blocked behind a vehicle in the right lane ahead of a major ramp to another interstate.

    The out-of-stater with vanity plates something about Penn 2 ended up back in the left lane speeding on their merry way. Poetic justice is that ahead 2 miles is a high risk area for a state patrol car to be watching because of its being a high accident area.
    ************
    Another ironic factor is that sometimes locals like myself may stay in the left lane because up ahead is a high enforcement location. Our OSP has stated using left lane speed enforcement from the breakdown lane along the Jersey wall I think they're called. Nothing like coming over a slight grade change and being able to see the OSP officer standing next to his door with his laser sighted at traffic in all 4 lanes.

    During the Labor Day weekend lots of out-of-staters who obviously know how to drive better at speeds above 65 in their own minds found themselves meeting up with our OSP welcoming committees. Sometimes more than one officer shows up and that's a sign there's a problem with the vehicle or people in the stop and there's going to be a search or arrest.

    Best laugh I had was the two-fer where the OSP is situated left or right of the traffic. Speeds ramp right back up as drivers pass the stationary officer, and a mile ahead was the second officer with his laser gun. The SUV driver that the officer started after, just pulled over the right lane and slowed waiting for the officer to pull his to the berm. LOL

    We've had lots of speed problems with a 3-lane stretch that is 65 and not 70 as on rural areas of I-70 here. I guess some of the out-of-staters think the road sign saying I70 is the speed limit and up to 80 is okay.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,937
    edited September 2019

    LLC--at speed limit or above

    Most here are those that go the speed limit in the left lane in medium or lighter traffic. If the traffic is heavy enough all lanes are used, as they should be used for cars, they don't bear any responsibility to clear the way for the LLD to have "their" lane free.

    I think it's ridiculous in the typical traffic I see here on 2 lane and 3 lane interstates for the LLD folks to try to force someone to get out of "their" lane so they can speed on through without themselves changing lanes. In some cases for the LLC to change lanes in between fairly spaced vehicles is a maneuver that is with risk of overlooking another vehicle.

    Since the LLD'er thinks they are a superior driver and can run at a higher speed further above the speed limit, they should make the lane changes since they feel they can safely do it. Go around then speed on their merry way.

    ****
    I was thinking about this on a 3 lane interstate on the way to pick up something this morning. I noticed a person who had bought a premium vehicle which I suspect they feel entitles them as a better than average driver. Traffic was between light and medium w/ trucks spaced. This person was in the left lane, then the middle, then the right lane. He/she ended up blocked behind a vehicle in the right lane ahead of a major ramp to another interstate.

    The out-of-stater with vanity plates something about Penn 2 ended up back in the left lane speeding on their merry way. Poetic justice is that ahead 2 miles is a high risk area for a state patrol car to be watching because of its being a high accident area.
    ************
    Another ironic factor is that sometimes locals like myself may stay in the left lane because up ahead is a high enforcement location. Our OSP has stated using left lane speed enforcement from the breakdown lane along the Jersey wall I think they're called. Nothing like coming over a slight grade change and being able to see the OSP officer standing next to his door with his laser sighted at traffic in all 4 lanes.

    During the Labor Day weekend lots of out-of-staters who obviously know how to drive better at speeds above 65 in their own minds found themselves meeting up with our OSP welcoming committees. Sometimes more than one officer shows up and that's a sign there's a problem with the vehicle or people in the stop and there's going to be a search or arrest.

    Best laugh I had was the two-fer where the OSP is situated left or right of the traffic. Speeds ramp right back up as drivers pass the stationary officer, and a mile ahead was the second officer with his laser gun. The SUV driver that the officer started after, just pulled over the right lane and slowed waiting for the officer to pull his to the berm. LOL

    We've had lots of speed problems with a 3-lane stretch that is 65 and not 70 as on rural areas of I-70 here. I guess some of the out-of-staters think the road sign saying I70 is the speed limit and up to 80 is okay.

    I don't know about your State, but in CA the first sentence of the "Slower Traffic Keep Right" vehicle code (in reference to the signage all over the State says "Notwithstanding the Prima Facie Speed Limit...."

    In other words, they wanted to inform the idiot drivers out there that the speed limit is as relevant to the Left Lane Camping law as rape is to the speed limit or left lane is passing lane laws.

    In essence, not relevant at all, and a terrible argument to be breaking the law.
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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,355

    Heads up might have a 4 series in the driveway soon. Test drove one and the wife is in love.

    Check how it is optioned here.

    The N20 four isn't all that quick in a 4 Series, but it returns decent fuel economy. My NCM had a 440i GC I drove quite a bit and it was a blast. It was an M Sport with a Dinan tune and exhaust. I might have bought it from him if it hadn't been black over black.

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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,937

    Haven't posted in about 3 weeks.
    Last one was just before we jumped in the car to drive to Ohio to see our new grandson, born 3 weeks early.
    Daughter went into the hospital for a scheduled test and they ended up doing an emergency c section.
    Made it to the hospital in 9 hours. Nurses in the NICU were awesome.
    One of ther doctors told my son in law that if they had waited another day, could have lost both mom and baby.
    Sttrange because the first 8 months went perfect.
    Both are now doing fine.
    When I got back home a few days later, I was getting ready to post here when we took a lightning hit and the desktop hardrive got scrambled beyond repair. After several trys to bring it back to life, I just ordered another desktiop to replace it.
    Tried to get here using my phone, but it was a pain, so I skipped that.
    Using an old laptop for now, until new desktop arrives.
    Have some catching up to do in a few forums.

    NICU nurses always seem to get awesome reviews. They are saviors at a tense time in life.
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  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592

    Heads up might have a 4 series in the driveway soon. Test drove one and the wife is in love.

    Check how it is optioned here.

    The N20 four isn't all that quick in a 4 Series, but it returns decent fuel economy. My NCM had a 440i GC I drove quite a bit and it was a blast. It was an M Sport with a Dinan tune and exhaust. I might have bought it from him if it hadn't been black over black.
    They printed out the option list and it's pretty optioned out, stickers for a few hundred under $60K.

    I am busy today as my niece is getting married. More details tomorrow.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,238
    sb55 said:

    nyccarguy said:

    @olodfarmer50 - Nope. It is a personal vehicle. I use it for commuting purposes. Not a write off at all. Commercial insurance is very expensive and then I couldn't drive it on the "parkways," and only on the Interstate & designated truck routes.

    @snakeweasel - Correct. I should have.

    Oh yes, those Parkways are a killer in your area. I ran the chance of a ticket taking a cargo van on one when we delivered a bunch to FedEx in White Plains. I had no choice as my GPS wouldn’t give me any other route.
    For those who know the area, parkways in CT and NY are cars only. I have a friend from Georgia who got on the Merritt Parkway towing their Airstream camper. They got on at 287 in NY and didn't get pulled over by police until Fairfield, CT! Lucky that they didn't hit a bridge and only got a ticket!
    That must happen a lot because two weeks after I took the cargo van on the Hutchinson River Parkway a tractor trailer ran into one of those 12’ stone arch bridges.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,238
    qbrozen said:

    sb55 said:

    nyccarguy said:

    @olodfarmer50 - Nope. It is a personal vehicle. I use it for commuting purposes. Not a write off at all. Commercial insurance is very expensive and then I couldn't drive it on the "parkways," and only on the Interstate & designated truck routes.

    @snakeweasel - Correct. I should have.

    Oh yes, those Parkways are a killer in your area. I ran the chance of a ticket taking a cargo van on one when we delivered a bunch to FedEx in White Plains. I had no choice as my GPS wouldn’t give me any other route.
    For those who know the area, parkways in CT and NY are cars only. I have a friend from Georgia who got on the Merritt Parkway towing their Airstream camper. They got on at 287 in NY and didn't get pulled over by police until Fairfield, CT! Lucky that they didn't hit a bridge and only got a ticket!
    What does a ticket foe that run? So are there signs stating no trailers? I have never noticed.

    I know there are signs that say no commercial vehicles.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,238

    Haven't posted in about 3 weeks.
    Last one was just before we jumped in the car to drive to Ohio to see our new grandson, born 3 weeks early.
    Daughter went into the hospital for a scheduled test and they ended up doing an emergency c section.
    Made it to the hospital in 9 hours. Nurses in the NICU were awesome.
    One of ther doctors told my son in law that if they had waited another day, could have lost both mom and baby.
    Sttrange because the first 8 months went perfect.
    Both are now doing fine.
    When I got back home a few days later, I was getting ready to post here when we took a lightning hit and the desktop hardrive got scrambled beyond repair. After several trys to bring it back to life, I just ordered another desktiop to replace it.
    Tried to get here using my phone, but it was a pain, so I skipped that.
    Using an old laptop for now, until new desktop arrives.
    Have some catching up to do in a few forums.


    Glad your daughter and grandkid are ok.

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,238
    andres3 said:

    I read a couple of articles about the new Mustang EcoBoost 2.3L High Performance Pack. While I still think a Mustang sans V8 is a crime against nature, I went to Ford.com and configured one with the same level of equipment as my 2er(leather, navigation, heated seats/wheel, audio upgrade, etc.). Care to guess the MSRP?
    Over $45k. Wow. I sure don't see the market for that car at that price point.

    Maybe that’s why so many are in rental fleets.

    The other day I was delivering to a Ford dealer and out in the lot was a Bullitt edition 5.0. Looked great in black with red calipers. $51,000! Next to it was a 2.3 with a sticker of $32,000. Both nice cars but way too pricey.




    My Ford dealer keeps emailing me with offers on a new 2019 Mustang for the same as I’m paying now. Why I would want another 60 months of payments when I only have 7 now he doesn’t say. I even had some sales woman call me at dinner last night asking how I like my current car...not that she was trying to sell me mind you, just to make sure I’m happy.
    IF the banks would offer it, I"m sure there are many car salesman that would give a 600 month loan out to get someone to buy a car they can't really afford.

    The monthly payment buyer only cares that the monthly payment is low, not that they have to pay it back for the rest of their lives.
    My Ford only has 12k miles so it’s like new and I got it to match the hp of the new ones so why would I trade and take 41/2 years of payments.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,464
    You'd have lost your mind at some of the LLCs I've seen on I5 over the past week. 405 and 167 can really accumulate the witless drones too. Zooming by on the right in an Escalade (my rental sled) can be fun.

    Funny how lane discipline isn't such a huge issue in legit first world areas.
    andres3 said:




    I'd also argue the LLC is not predictable. They are clearly an identified bad driver hazard, but who knows what they'll do. They become especially unpredictable after being given a dose of their own medicine. Meanwhile, the guy that did this is suggesting he follows a strict set of guidelines, procedures, and follows them predictably.

    Then of course, there is the release of pressure on the bottleneck the LLC is causing by more easily allowing faster traffic to pass, although, not preferably, on the right. Bottlenecks ARE HAZARDOUS. Rear-End collisions don't always end in only property damage.

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,238

    Heads up might have a 4 series in the driveway soon. Test drove one and the wife is in love.

    Check how it is optioned here.

    The N20 four isn't all that quick in a 4 Series, but it returns decent fuel economy. My NCM had a 440i GC I drove quite a bit and it was a blast. It was an M Sport with a Dinan tune and exhaust. I might have bought it from him if it hadn't been black over black.
    They printed out the option list and it's pretty optioned out, stickers for a few hundred under $60K.

    I am busy today as my niece is getting married. More details tomorrow.

    Here’s one for you cheaper.

    https://www.enterprisecarsales.com/list/buy-a-car/vehicle/WBA4Z1C55JEC70107/Used-2018-BMW-4-Series-Augusta-GA

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,450
    big discount, but light on features and a boatload of miles. Not a good color combo either.

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,843
    Why are you in a rental, @fintail?
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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    edited September 2019

    Heads up might have a 4 series in the driveway soon. Test drove one and the wife is in love.

    Check how it is optioned here.

    The N20 four isn't all that quick in a 4 Series, but it returns decent fuel economy. My NCM had a 440i GC I drove quite a bit and it was a blast. It was an M Sport with a Dinan tune and exhaust. I might have bought it from him if it hadn't been black over black.
    They printed out the option list and it's pretty optioned out, stickers for a few hundred under $60K.

    I am busy today as my niece is getting married. More details tomorrow.

    Here’s one for you cheaper.

    https://www.enterprisecarsales.com/list/buy-a-car/vehicle/WBA4Z1C55JEC70107/Used-2018-BMW-4-Series-Augusta-GA
    Saw it for a second then went to a home screen. I think I saw $24000, which sounds like a good price for a 2018.
    The new one probably had more options than needed and at just under $60k was probably more what snake had in mind, unless he won the lottery and didn't tell us.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    edited September 2019
    driver100 said:

    Heads up might have a 4 series in the driveway soon. Test drove one and the wife is in love.

    Check how it is optioned here.

    The N20 four isn't all that quick in a 4 Series, but it returns decent fuel economy. My NCM had a 440i GC I drove quite a bit and it was a blast. It was an M Sport with a Dinan tune and exhaust. I might have bought it from him if it hadn't been black over black.
    They printed out the option list and it's pretty optioned out, stickers for a few hundred under $60K.

    I am busy today as my niece is getting married. More details tomorrow.

    Here’s one for you cheaper.

    https://www.enterprisecarsales.com/list/buy-a-car/vehicle/WBA4Z1C55JEC70107/Used-2018-BMW-4-Series-Augusta-GA
    Oh, I couldn't catch the mileage or colors......flashed for a second, then went to home screen and asked for my ZIP code.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,681


    Put in zip 30830 which is an Augusta zip code.

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