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stickguy

it will seem tiny to my wife most likely. So I am guess she would not want to drive it every day on the highway commute.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

Like someone else, I'd think the spritzensprachenmachinenjuggen would have lasted better on a luxury automobile. I suspect of cars built in the US, the reservoirs come from the same sources as the pedantic, appliance cars some of us drive.

.All the razing like folks give GM owners at times aside..., the washer fluid tank is a minor problem. For many folks, it would be a Saturday replacement if they were used to getting under their car for oil changes, etc., done by themselves. Others, aren't into working on the car.

It is a 6 year old car....if cars didn't break down as they get older no one would have to buy a new one. In the big scheme of things, this is pretty minor really. For some reason, windshield washer containers breakdown...there are lots of videos on how to repair them and to explain how and why they break. Other things can go too, spray nozzles, pumps, tubing etc. It could be a problem with the molding or glue....who knows, who cares? Something much more expensive could have broken down.

Let's not get all excited because something on a Mercedes breaks. No make of car is immune from something breaking down. That is the first repair in 3 years, and it is relatively minor. And I would take the C250 any time over this much newer Altima and most other cars around. Averages out to $120 a year in repairs on a 6 year old car.......hmmmm, not bad!

Comparing any car to an Altima is a pretty low bar. Nissan has really gone down hill. I like driving the Altima but everything I read indicates long term ownership would be heartbreaking.

stickguy

164" long. So in the Golf range.

just read the chevy site page on it. That is really a cool looking car. Pricey of course, but on a cheap lease, who cares?

fintail

As I like to say, a used Mercedes is still a Mercedes

Regarding the used lux car/look rich for cheap thing, it can work more than us car enthusiasts think, but an old Jag might not be my first choice - you'll compensate for the money saved somehow.

driver100 said:

Let's not get all excited because something on a Mercedes breaks. No make of car is immune from something breaking down. That is the first repair in 3 years, and it is relatively minor. And I would take the C250 any time over this much newer Altima and most other cars around. Averages out to $120 a year in repairs on a 6 year old car.......hmmmm, not bad!

driver100

stickguy said:

If he planned ahead, he would be driving a 2017 with a BU camera and the reservoir repair would be someone else's problem.

That's what I wanted to do but you guys didn't convince me to buy the 2016! It's all your fault!
Not really, I talked myself out of it, but $350 is less than $13000 with taxes etc.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

imidazol97 said:

Like someone else, I'd think the spritzensprachenmachinenjuggen would have lasted better on a luxury automobile.

Maybe they were making the washer fluid from Flint Michigan water.

I think it was Delco Brand Fluid!

driver100

If he knew how to negotiate car repairs it would have been $275 including tax.
jmonroe

Tell us how you negotiated about your last car repair bill..........was that the oil change story?
.....and how did that turn out?

tjc78

was that the oil change story?

Ouch, that's hitting below the belt.

snakeweasel

fintail said:

As I like to say, a used Mercedes is still a Mercedes

Regarding the used lux car/look rich for cheap thing, it can work more than us car enthusiasts think, but an old Jag might not be my first choice - you'll compensate for the money saved somehow.

I'll tell you it would be difficult to tell my BMW from a much newer one. It has low mileage and the previous owner kept it in good condition, still looks new inside and out.

snakeweasel

Hail to the King baby, hail to the King.

imidazol97

stickguy said:

If he planned ahead, he would be driving a 2017 with a BU camera and the reservoir repair would be someone else's problem.

I actually like the shape and appearance of the 2014 C @driver100 has over the newer, rounded off replacements. The replacements look like the styling was done by another company.

imidazol97

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

imidazol97 said:

Like someone else, I'd think the spritzensprachenmachinenjuggen would have lasted better on a luxury automobile.

Maybe they were making the washer fluid from Flint Michigan water.

I think it was Delco Brand Fluid!

Here we go again with the GM bashing. LOL Emoticons are on strike, so I'll insert the letters to be sure everyone knows.

stickguy

Interior and driving experience are better though. I test drove the models back to back a year ago and that’s my recollection.

ab348

stickguy said:

Interior and driving experience are better though. I test drove the models back to back a year ago and that’s my recollection.

So you are saying @driver100 is illogically loyal to an inferior model? Hmmm. That should be worth another 100 or so posts. :laughing:

ab348

Carlos Ghosn speaks at last:

https://www.autonews.com/executives/ghosn-details-plot-oust-him-nissan-condemns-japan-news-conference

Maybe the Japanese govt's end game will be to blow up Nissan entirely because the web of conflicting statements and allegations is just too complex to unravel.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

Like someone else, I'd think the spritzensprachenmachinenjuggen would have lasted better on a luxury automobile. I suspect of cars built in the US, the reservoirs come from the same sources as the pedantic, appliance cars some of us drive.

.All the razing like folks give GM owners at times aside..., the washer fluid tank is a minor problem. For many folks, it would be a Saturday replacement if they were used to getting under their car for oil changes, etc., done by themselves. Others, aren't into working on the car.

It is a 6 year old car....if cars didn't break down as they get older no one would have to buy a new one. In the big scheme of things, this is pretty minor really. For some reason, windshield washer containers breakdown...there are lots of videos on how to repair them and to explain how and why they break. Other things can go too, spray nozzles, pumps, tubing etc. It could be a problem with the molding or glue....who knows, who cares? Something much more expensive could have broken down.

Let's not get all excited because something on a Mercedes breaks. No make of car is immune from something breaking down. That is the first repair in 3 years, and it is relatively minor. And I would take the C250 any time over this much newer Altima and most other cars around. Averages out to $120 a year in repairs on a 6 year old car.......hmmmm, not bad!

Comparing any car to an Altima is a pretty low bar. Nissan has really gone down hill. I like driving the Altima but everything I read indicates long term ownership would be heartbreaking.

My impressions of the Altima. They really, really tried. Lots of room, especially in the back seat area. Trim on the interior is a bit plasticy but it is tasteful. Controls are a little hard to figure out....nothing actually says "heat" or indicates it is heat....and it has only been around 60F in the morning. Other controls are hard to see what they do, and very little is the way you would expect it to be. No idea where the odometer is. Seating position for the driver is OK, but hard to get the right set up of height and position forward or back.....do Japanese people have different physiques?

But, the huge drawback to me is the steering. The wheel tugs, I am almost fighting with it on turns and even when accelerating. The ride is soft and smooth....vision gets a 75%. I feel that they are trying to keep up, but not quite there.

driver100

imidazol97 said:

stickguy said:

If he planned ahead, he would be driving a 2017 with a BU camera and the reservoir repair would be someone else's problem.

I actually like the shape and appearance of the 2014 C @driver100 has over the newer, rounded off replacements. The replacements look like the styling was done by another company.

That is one thing that makes it hard for me to trade for a newer C. The salesman kept saying the 2015 C is a whole different car...it is larger and they improved it a lot, much better ride etc. Which is all true, but, the looks of the 2008 to 2014 are well thought out and stand out on the road. I really like the fire engine red too, which I believe they only used in 2014 on the Sport model.
I prefer the looks of a 3 Series BMW to the newer C, but my MB dealer has been really good to me, and BMW dealers in my area aren't as honest and accommodating.

suydam

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

Like someone else, I'd think the spritzensprachenmachinenjuggen would have lasted better on a luxury automobile. I suspect of cars built in the US, the reservoirs come from the same sources as the pedantic, appliance cars some of us drive.

.All the razing like folks give GM owners at times aside..., the washer fluid tank is a minor problem. For many folks, it would be a Saturday replacement if they were used to getting under their car for oil changes, etc., done by themselves. Others, aren't into working on the car.

It is a 6 year old car....if cars didn't break down as they get older no one would have to buy a new one. In the big scheme of things, this is pretty minor really. For some reason, windshield washer containers breakdown...there are lots of videos on how to repair them and to explain how and why they break. Other things can go too, spray nozzles, pumps, tubing etc. It could be a problem with the molding or glue....who knows, who cares? Something much more expensive could have broken down.

Let's not get all excited because something on a Mercedes breaks. No make of car is immune from something breaking down. That is the first repair in 3 years, and it is relatively minor. And I would take the C250 any time over this much newer Altima and most other cars around. Averages out to $120 a year in repairs on a 6 year old car.......hmmmm, not bad!

Comparing any car to an Altima is a pretty low bar. Nissan has really gone down hill. I like driving the Altima but everything I read indicates long term ownership would be heartbreaking.

My impressions of the Altima. They really, really tried. Lots of room, especially in the back seat area. Trim on the interior is a bit plasticy but it is tasteful. Controls are a little hard to figure out....nothing actually says "heat" or indicates it is heat....and it has only been around 60F in the morning. Other controls are hard to see what they do, and very little is the way you would expect it to be. No idea where the odometer is. Seating position for the driver is OK, but hard to get the right set up of height and position forward or back.....do Japanese people have different physiques?

But, the huge drawback to me is the steering. The wheel tugs, I am almost fighting with it on turns and even when accelerating. The ride is soft and smooth....vision gets a 75%. I feel that they are trying to keep up, but not quite there.

The odd thing is that they went backwards. The 90s Altimas were really nice driving cars. Very competitive with the Honda Accord.

driver100

ab348 said:

stickguy said:

Interior and driving experience are better though. I test drove the models back to back a year ago and that’s my recollection.

So you are saying @driver100 is illogically loyal to an inferior model? Hmmm. That should be worth another 100 or so posts. :laughing:

Just one post:

People who lean on logic and philosophy and rational exposition end by starving the best part of the mind
William Butler Yeats

When dealing with people, remember you are not dealing with creatures of logic, but creatures of emotion
Dale Carnegie

driver100

suydam said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

Like someone else, I'd think the spritzensprachenmachinenjuggen would have lasted better on a luxury automobile. I suspect of cars built in the US, the reservoirs come from the same sources as the pedantic, appliance cars some of us drive.

.All the razing like folks give GM owners at times aside..., the washer fluid tank is a minor problem. For many folks, it would be a Saturday replacement if they were used to getting under their car for oil changes, etc., done by themselves. Others, aren't into working on the car.

It is a 6 year old car....if cars didn't break down as they get older no one would have to buy a new one. In the big scheme of things, this is pretty minor really. For some reason, windshield washer containers breakdown...there are lots of videos on how to repair them and to explain how and why they break. Other things can go too, spray nozzles, pumps, tubing etc. It could be a problem with the molding or glue....who knows, who cares? Something much more expensive could have broken down.

Let's not get all excited because something on a Mercedes breaks. No make of car is immune from something breaking down. That is the first repair in 3 years, and it is relatively minor. And I would take the C250 any time over this much newer Altima and most other cars around. Averages out to $120 a year in repairs on a 6 year old car.......hmmmm, not bad!

Comparing any car to an Altima is a pretty low bar. Nissan has really gone down hill. I like driving the Altima but everything I read indicates long term ownership would be heartbreaking.

My impressions of the Altima. They really, really tried. Lots of room, especially in the back seat area. Trim on the interior is a bit plasticy but it is tasteful. Controls are a little hard to figure out....nothing actually says "heat" or indicates it is heat....and it has only been around 60F in the morning. Other controls are hard to see what they do, and very little is the way you would expect it to be. No idea where the odometer is. Seating position for the driver is OK, but hard to get the right set up of height and position forward or back.....do Japanese people have different physiques?

But, the huge drawback to me is the steering. The wheel tugs, I am almost fighting with it on turns and even when accelerating. The ride is soft and smooth....vision gets a 75%. I feel that they are trying to keep up, but not quite there.

The odd thing is that they went backwards. The 90s Altimas were really nice driving cars. Very competitive with the Honda Accord.

I drove a 1986 Datsun rental car and I was blown away by the way it felt like a sports sedan. I like the styling of the 86 more than the new one too;

jmonroe

tjc78 said:

was that the oil change story?

Ouch, that's hitting below the belt.

That is such an old story I've almost forgotten about it but he likes to remind me of it as often as he can. Let him alone, he enjoys it. But to answer his question, that blown engine cost $3000 in trade value. That is how much the dealer wanted for an out of the crate new engine. The dealers first price was around $4000 but when I said, "forget it", the service manager quickly said, "even with your documentation error with your oil changes, Hyundai should have allowed you something under warranty since it is a low mileage car. Let me talk to them and my boss to see if I can get you a better price". That better price turned out to be $3000 including tax. So, I do know how to negotiate a repair cost. However, it still cost me 3 grand in trade value because I decided not to repair it. Just sold it to the dealer as is and he was glad to it.

Like I said, I still lost 3 grand but if I subtract that from all the repairs I've done to my cars over the years, the way I look at that is, I'm still waaay ahead compared to taking it to The Guy for everything especially things like a windshield washer fluid bin. I'm sure anyone who has done repairs and maintenance on their cars knows that when you do that for about 60 years, would agree I'm not exaggerating about being on the plus side of savings.

jmonroe

graphicguy

Nissan’s issues are mostly product related. I know the Altima and Sentra are new. But, from what I’ve read, they aren’t remotely class leading. Even the famed and fabled Z Car is, at best, a throw back that isn’t going to usurp a Toyota/BMW Supra/Z, or even a Mustang, Challenger, Camaro, etc.

I don’t know who Ghosn PO’d. But, he was once lauded for his brilliance un running Renault/Nissan. Now, he’s reviled (and possibly criminally liable).

I’ve read that he’s a megalomaniac. Perhaps there are some personality conflicts that wealthy and powerful board members couldn’t tolerate any longer. It’s still not clear to me what he did wrong (aside from fleeing Japan illegally)? Did he steal? I mean, he’s paid enough that stealing from the company seems unlikely.

Renault, I don’t know much about. Aside from the products they bought over here in the 80s (which were pretty dismal).

driver100

jmonroe said:

tjc78 said:

was that the oil change story?

Ouch, that's hitting below the belt.

That is such an old story I've almost forgotten about it but he likes to remind me of it as often as he can. Let him alone, he enjoys it, I'm still waaay ahead compared to taking it to The Guy for everything especially things like a windshield washer fluid bin. I'm sure anyone who has done repairs and maintenance on their cars knows that when you do that for about 60 years, would agree I'm not exaggerating about being on the plus side of savings.

jmonroe

It may be an old story but the story is one of our classics in the C&C Hall of Fame. We all tend to rationalize a bit...which is probably a good thing. My stupid repair is a pain, but, it could have been worse;

dino001

graphicguy said:

I don’t know who Ghosn PO’d. But, he was once lauded for his brilliance un running Renault/Nissan. Now, he’s reviled (and possibly criminally liable).

I’ve read that he’s a megalomaniac.

Megalomaniac as a leader (business, political) - that must be new thing, right ?

fintail

And that's you, who knows something about the cars. The typical person walking on the street can't tell it from a new one, which is very appealing for many shoppers. Same for MBs, I'll wager the average person can't tell a 2014 S-Class from a new one.

snakeweasel said:

I'll tell you it would be difficult to tell my BMW from a much newer one. It has low mileage and the previous owner kept it in good condition, still looks new inside and out.

fintail

Funny thing, Altima may be built by a Japanese company, but it is intended primarily for the US market, built in the USA, and I'd wager virtually all of it is engineered in the USA as well. For all intents and purposes, it is an American car, designed and built by Americans for Americans. It is also built for a lot of fleet use I think, I wouldn't be surprised if it has a fleet mix of something like 50% or more - rental companies have been full of them for years. The new one is an improvement, but I think save for a few flashes of relevancy, it has rarely competed with Accord and Camry spec per spec, rather, on price.

driver100 said:

Comparing any car to an Altima is a pretty low bar. Nissan has really gone down hill. I like driving the Altima but everything I read indicates long term ownership would be heartbreaking.

My impressions of the Altima. They really, really tried. Lots of room, especially in the back seat area. Trim on the interior is a bit plasticy but it is tasteful. Controls are a little hard to figure out....nothing actually says "heat" or indicates it is heat....and it has only been around 60F in the morning. Other controls are hard to see what they do, and very little is the way you would expect it to be. No idea where the odometer is. Seating position for the driver is OK, but hard to get the right set up of height and position forward or back.....do Japanese people have different physiques?

But, the huge drawback to me is the steering. The wheel tugs, I am almost fighting with it on turns and even when accelerating. The ride is soft and smooth....vision gets a 75%. I feel that they are trying to keep up, but not quite there.

driver100

graphicguy said:

Nissan’s issues are mostly product related. I know the Altima and Sentra are new. But, from what I’ve read, they aren’t remotely class leading. Even the famed and fabled Z Car is, at best, a throw back that isn’t going to usurp a Toyota/BMW Supra/Z, or even a Mustang, Challenger, Camaro, etc.

I don’t know who Ghosn PO’d. But, he was once lauded for his brilliance un running Renault/Nissan. Now, he’s reviled (and possibly criminally liable).

I’ve read that he’s a megalomaniac. Perhaps there are some personality conflicts that wealthy and powerful board members couldn’t tolerate any longer. It’s still not clear to me what he did wrong (aside from fleeing Japan illegally)? Did he steal? I mean, he’s paid enough that stealing from the company seems unlikely.
.

For one thing: Last year, Mr. Ghosn made $16.9 million ($8.4 million from Renault, $6.5 million from Nissan and $2 million from Mitsubishi). That’s nearly 11 times what the chairman of Toyota, the world’s largest carmaker, earns but well below the $21.96 million paid to Mary Barra, the chief executive of General Motors.

Trying to simplify and be as accurate as possible. The Japanese don't think execs should make those kind of dollars, so they tried to limit his earnings. Ghosn had a plan to be paid his normal amount, but was working on a plan to get deferred payments when he left Nissan. The regulations in Japan are very tight, especially when it comes to enriching yourself at the expense of your company....not the honorable thing to do. They came at him with both barrels.......Japanese born execs have done similar things, but weren't penalized as much as he was going to be.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

imidazol97 said:

Like someone else, I'd think the spritzensprachenmachinenjuggen would have lasted better on a luxury automobile. I suspect of cars built in the US, the reservoirs come from the same sources as the pedantic, appliance cars some of us drive.

.All the razing like folks give GM owners at times aside..., the washer fluid tank is a minor problem. For many folks, it would be a Saturday replacement if they were used to getting under their car for oil changes, etc., done by themselves. Others, aren't into working on the car.

It is a 6 year old car....if cars didn't break down as they get older no one would have to buy a new one. In the big scheme of things, this is pretty minor really. For some reason, windshield washer containers breakdown...there are lots of videos on how to repair them and to explain how and why they break. Other things can go too, spray nozzles, pumps, tubing etc. It could be a problem with the molding or glue....who knows, who cares? Something much more expensive could have broken down.

Let's not get all excited because something on a Mercedes breaks. No make of car is immune from something breaking down. That is the first repair in 3 years, and it is relatively minor. And I would take the C250 any time over this much newer Altima and most other cars around. Averages out to $120 a year in repairs on a 6 year old car.......hmmmm, not bad!

Comparing any car to an Altima is a pretty low bar. Nissan has really gone down hill. I like driving the Altima but everything I read indicates long term ownership would be heartbreaking.

My impressions of the Altima. They really, really tried. Lots of room, especially in the back seat area. Trim on the interior is a bit plasticy but it is tasteful. Controls are a little hard to figure out....nothing actually says "heat" or indicates it is heat....and it has only been around 60F in the morning. Other controls are hard to see what they do, and very little is the way you would expect it to be. No idea where the odometer is. Seating position for the driver is OK, but hard to get the right set up of height and position forward or back.....do Japanese people have different physiques?

But, the huge drawback to me is the steering. The wheel tugs, I am almost fighting with it on turns and even when accelerating. The ride is soft and smooth....vision gets a 75%. I feel that they are trying to keep up, but not quite there.

Are you sure that’s not the lane keeping nannie? I was in a Rav 4 the other day and every time you even came close to the yellow line it yanked you sideways. I thought that was dangerous on a slippery road so I turned it off. Maybe Nissan put something like that in your Altima. I actually like the Altima’s road manners.

My BIL has had several Altimas and he loves them. He had a 2004 which gave good service but after 120k miles the rear floor pan rotted out. I researched that and it was due to poor quality control in manufacturing. Despite that big red flag he bought another one in 2015.

I might have bought a used one for my son’s Uber work until a company Altima with 30k something miles blew it’s transmission leaving me stranded.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

tjc78 said:

was that the oil change story?

Ouch, that's hitting below the belt.

That is such an old story I've almost forgotten about it but he likes to remind me of it as often as he can. Let him alone, he enjoys it, I'm still waaay ahead compared to taking it to The Guy for everything especially things like a windshield washer fluid bin. I'm sure anyone who has done repairs and maintenance on their cars knows that when you do that for about 60 years, would agree I'm not exaggerating about being on the plus side of savings.

jmonroe

It may be an old story but the story is one of our classics in the C&C Hall of Fame. We all tend to rationalize a bit...which is probably a good thing. My stupid repair is a pain, but, it could have been worse;

Did anyone else notice how he cut and pasted my quote? That seems like a cheap and lack of credibility way to respond if you ask me but he did get another all-important post count.

Why did you ignore my answer to your question about negotiating a repair quote? Mine was 25% did you get one like that?

jmonroe

driver100

Oldfarmer Are you sure that’s not the lane keeping nannie?

I doubt if this one has a lane keeping nannie, and I didn't turn anything that would turn it on if it had one.
Even on a slight curve, I have to fight the wheel to get around the curve. It tugs in the opposite direction, I find it is very unpleasant....almost like it has a mind of it's own. On sharp turns it also tugs, wants to go where the wheels are pointing. Our Passat had FWD and you almost didn't know it was a FWDer.
Maybe I have been spoiled with very accurate "feel of the road" steering.....but, I don't like the car trying to take control.

driver100

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

tjc78 said:

was that the oil change story?

Ouch, that's hitting below the belt.

That is such an old story I've almost forgotten about it but he likes to remind me of it as often as he can. Let him alone, he enjoys it, I'm still waaay ahead compared to taking it to The Guy for everything especially things like a windshield washer fluid bin. I'm sure anyone who has done repairs and maintenance on their cars knows that when you do that for about 60 years, would agree I'm not exaggerating about being on the plus side of savings.

jmonroe

It may be an old story but the story is one of our classics in the C&C Hall of Fame. We all tend to rationalize a bit...which is probably a good thing. My stupid repair is a pain, but, it could have been worse;

Did anyone else notice how he cut and pasted my quote? That seems like a cheap and lack of credibility way to respond if you ask me but he did get another all-important post count.

Why did you ignore my answer to your question about negotiating a repair quote? Mine was 25% did you get one like that?

jmonroe

#1. I cut a chunk of your post to save everyone 3 minutes of their life. The meaningful part was still there.

#2. I ignored your 25% savings because I didn't want to disappoint you for your negotiating skills. A 25% savings for an overpriced repair that you negotiated $1000 off, and you still found the deal was not acceptable isn't winning the negotiation. If the repair cost $10000 and you negotiated 50% off, but didn't take the deal it isn't a deal. If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it.............

oldfarmer50

GG should like this:

https://youtu.be/NkYyasbH_GA

carnaught

“I drove a 1986 Datsun rental car and I was blown away by the way it felt like a sports sedan. I like the styling of the 86 more than the new one too;“


Those are some windows - must be the windows.

explorerx4

What driver100 described certainly sound like lane keeping.
Jmorone was going to get a whole engine for $3000 and driver100 just spent $350 for a glorified gallon milk jug.

graphicguy

Scotty may want to rethink his belief that Kias are poorly built
https://youtu.be/YSLaZc8uQRo

driver100

explorerx4 said:

What driver100 described certainly sound like lane keeping.
Jmorone was going to get a whole engine for $3000 and driver100 just spent $350 for a glorified gallon milk jug.

Or, looking at it another way, shows you the quality of a Mercedes.....they put in a $350 windshield washer container.....but, the whole engine in his Hyundai is only worth 3000 bucks!

It isn't lane keeping in the Altima, when you go around a curve and there are no lane markings.

driver100

Nice to have my baby back. I think the Altima is new, one odometer said 65 miles, one 325, not sure if there is another one. I would rather have my 6 year old C250 than any year Altima.
The service rep said they get a fair number of cracked containers...they usually crack on a seam. There is a fair bit of work involved, 4 seals get replaced, there is a heater involved, and of course a pump.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

Nice to have my baby back. I think the Altima is new, one odometer said 65 miles, one 325, not sure if there is another one. I would rather have my 6 year old C250 than any year Altima.
The service rep said they get a fair number of cracked containers...they usually crack on a seam. There is a fair bit of work involved, 4 seals get replaced, there is a heater involved, and of course a pump.

Translation: 5 minutes with some super glue and we charged you $320 for an Altima rental.

roadburner

snakeweasel said:

I'll tell you it would be difficult to tell my BMW from a much newer one. It has low mileage and the previous owner kept it in good condition, still looks new inside and out.

When I was driving that M340i loaner to work only a couple of people noticed it was new; the rest thought it was my M235i.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

tjc78 said:

was that the oil change story?

Ouch, that's hitting below the belt.

That is such an old story I've almost forgotten about it but he likes to remind me of it as often as he can. Let him alone, he enjoys it, I'm still waaay ahead compared to taking it to The Guy for everything especially things like a windshield washer fluid bin. I'm sure anyone who has done repairs and maintenance on their cars knows that when you do that for about 60 years, would agree I'm not exaggerating about being on the plus side of savings.

jmonroe

It may be an old story but the story is one of our classics in the C&C Hall of Fame. We all tend to rationalize a bit...which is probably a good thing. My stupid repair is a pain, but, it could have been worse;

Did anyone else notice how he cut and pasted my quote? That seems like a cheap and lack of credibility way to respond if you ask me but he did get another all-important post count.

Why did you ignore my answer to your question about negotiating a repair quote? Mine was 25% did you get one like that?

jmonroe

#1. I cut a chunk of your post to save everyone 3 minutes of their life. The meaningful part was still there.

#2. I ignored your 25% savings because I didn't want to disappoint you for your negotiating skills. A 25% savings for an overpriced repair that you negotiated $1000 off, and you still found the deal was not acceptable isn't winning the negotiation. If the repair cost $10000 and you negotiated 50% off, but didn't take the deal it isn't a deal. If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it.............

I don't remember anyone in here asking you to edit any of my posts to save them reading time. I doubt you're as considerate as you profess to be, more like trying to twist things around to suit yourself.

As for getting a better price for that engine replacement, I did in fact get one. Just because I decided not to use it doesn't change the fact that I was offered one. The car was 7 years old and I was thinking of replacing it anyhow so when the engine blew and I'd still be out 3 grand, I decided not take the discount on the new engine just to sell the car anyway. I will admit I wasn't going to replace it at that time, probably would have waited till the Spring of 2012 rather than have to replace it in November of 2011. So, once again you tried to twist something around to suit your view of what happened. I haven't read where you said you got a better repair cost, from what was first given, so I take it you didn't. If I'm wrong now is your chance to correct me. You've been around here long enough to know if you don't ask you don't get. So why would bend over and grab your ankles on the first price that was given to you for that repair job.

jmonroe

imidazol97

Is this what they mean when they say an engine is "hydrolocked"?

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

Oldfarmer Are you sure that’s not the lane keeping nannie?

I doubt if this one has a lane keeping nannie, and I didn't turn anything that would turn it on if it had one.
Even on a slight curve, I have to fight the wheel to get around the curve. It tugs in the opposite direction, I find it is very unpleasant....almost like it has a mind of it's own. On sharp turns it also tugs, wants to go where the wheels are pointing. Our Passat had FWD and you almost didn't know it was a FWDer.
Maybe I have been spoiled with very accurate "feel of the road" steering.....but, I don't like the car trying to take control.

Boy that sure sounds like a nanny. Unless you had a broken CV joint.

Never had that kind of problem with any car that didn’t have the lane management thingy. I don’t like it either.

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

Is this what they mean when they say an engine is "hydrolocked"?

Only if you try to start it with the plugs still in it.

driver100

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

tjc78 said:

was that the oil change story?

Ouch, that's hitting below the belt.

That is such an old story I've almost forgotten about it but he likes to remind me of it as often as he can. Let him alone, he enjoys it, I'm still waaay ahead compared to taking it to The Guy for everything especially things like a windshield washer fluid bin. I'm sure anyone who has done repairs and maintenance on their cars knows that when you do that for about 60 years, would agree I'm not exaggerating about being on the plus side of savings.

jmonroe

It may be an old story but the story is one of our classics in the C&C Hall of Fame. We all tend to rationalize a bit...which is probably a good thing. My stupid repair is a pain, but, it could have been worse;

Did anyone else notice how he cut and pasted my quote? That seems like a cheap and lack of credibility way to respond if you ask me but he did get another all-important post count.

Why did you ignore my answer to your question about negotiating a repair quote? Mine was 25% did you get one like that?

jmonroe

#1. I cut a chunk of your post to save everyone 3 minutes of their life. The meaningful part was still there.

#2. I ignored your 25% savings because I didn't want to disappoint you for your negotiating skills. A 25% savings for an overpriced repair that you negotiated $1000 off, and you still found the deal was not acceptable isn't winning the negotiation. If the repair cost $10000 and you negotiated 50% off, but didn't take the deal it isn't a deal. If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it.............

I don't remember anyone in here asking you to edit any of my posts to save them reading time. I doubt you're as considerate as you profess to be, more like trying to twist things around to suit yourself.

As for getting a better price for that engine replacement, I did in fact get one. Just because I decided not to use it doesn't change the fact that I was offered one. The car was 7 years old and I was thinking of replacing it anyhow so when the engine blew and I'd still be out 3 grand, I decided not take the discount on the new engine just to sell the car anyway. I will admit I wasn't going to replace it at that time, probably would have waited till the Spring of 2012 rather than have to replace it in November of 2011. So, once again you tried to twist something around to suit your view of what happened. I haven't read where you said you got a better repair cost, from what was first given, so I take it you didn't. If I'm wrong now is your chance to correct me. You've been around here long enough to know if you don't ask you don't get. So why would bend over and grab your ankles on the first price that was given to you for that repair job.

jmonroe

I am printing your post in its entirety, even though anyone who wants to read it can see it if they really want to, its a few posts above.
I have never tried to bargain on a repair. I trust that the garage is going to be fair, they give me an itemized invoice. If I think they aren't fair, then I will go somewhere else next time. I did say in an earlier post, I would probably buy another MB at home because the dealer has always treated me fairly, can't say the same for the 2 BMW dealers in my area. The indie garage I go to here gets 5 stars on every list, and people praise them for their work. You were a professional person, if someone wants work done it is unprofessional to try to make you work for less than you deserve.....I would not insult you by asking for a discount.

My SIL would do that, and you know what I think of him. The lawn guys said they would do his lawn for $60 a week. He says I will pay you $50 take it or leave it. That's his way of operating...it doesn't get him too far in life. I respect the guy enough to accept, or look for another quote.....but, I don't bargain for any repairs....on a car yes I will negotiate......not repairs.

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imidazol97

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

Is this what they mean when they say an engine is "hydrolocked"?

Only if you try to start it with the plugs still in it.

I assume it was running to drive itself into the pool? So isn't it already hydrolocked?
Is that a Lexus?

tjc78

Looks like a Lincoln MKX

driver100

It looks like a Lincoln symbol on the trunk, side rear windows and roofline look like an MKX, but, I can't find those rear tailights on an MKX.

Any thoughts?

stickguy

I think it is the prior generation that is more rounded. Though it also sorta looks like a Porsche Cayan.

explorerx4

Yes, MKX in the pool.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

Yes, MKX in the pool.

Find a picture of one with those lights. What year?