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sda

I took the Acura out for a drive today. I marvel at what a nice car it is even though it is older. Honda makes a sweet V6, smooth, powerful with a great sound. I appreciate the clear gauges. It has a trip computer that shows a lot of information including the tire pressure of each wheel. Though the graphics and resolution are dated, everything still works. When was the last time you saw a cassette player and CD changer?

driver100

graphicguy said:

driver100 said:

GG, I saw one exactly the same as yours last Sunday. I mentioned it here but I think you were still driving around a lot and didn't check in yet. The Stinger really stands out.....looks a little different. The two I have seen recently were white and the other black, both looked great.
I wouldn't expect tremendous gas mileage since they weigh just under 4000 pounds, but, I don't think you buy a car like that expecting to get 37 mpg. Besides, with your savings that pays for a lot of gas.
Most of us don't need a Porsche or Maserati, but, after driving the Altima rental I really like a car that has a fun element to it, and that includes power which adds fun, but, is also an important safety feature when used wisely.

@driver100 ....
I know you’re really not in the market, but while I didn’t get to test drive it, while I was at the MB dealer test driving the C and E Class, I got to sit in the ‘20 CLA. Mercy....that was really nice inside. If it didn’t have the moniker on it, I would have mistaken it for an S-Class. Very nice. It had the BIG LCD screen for the gauges and User Interface. Seats were comfy. Plenty of room. Might be a solution for your Winter home.

The CLA has come a long way. Mercedes seems to rush into a market and gets a bit sloppy, first edition didn't get great reviews. The 2020 does look like a small S Class, it gets good reviews, and it sure looks nice inside. It will be a few years before I can get a 2 or 3 year old CPO model. But, I don't know if I would buy a car smaller than a C to drive in Florida.....extra metal is good everywhere but here the more metal the better your chances of surviving. One guy yesterday just wanted to kill someone, so he drove past a 70 year old guy walking along the highway....drove back and drove right into him in a PT Cruiser. No, not someone we know, it was a 20 year old kid!

ab348

Some cabin air filters seem to be designed to have the vehicle assembled around them. That one did not seem to be easy to change, but maybe it was the guy in the video causing that.

driver100

fintail said:

I've found my pearl white to be easy to maintain, much more than the dark blue of my prior car. Too bad it is a double extra cost option:

tjc78 said:

I just love a white a car, especially one with pearl in it.

My favorite pearl white was Toyota's Blizzard Pearl here is a shot of my beloved 06 Avalon.

I know I am a little prejudice but that is one gorgeous looking car. If a car has a good basic design white will always look good.

snakeweasel

tjc78 said:

I just love a white a car, especially one with pearl in it.

My favorite pearl white was Toyota's Blizzard Pearl here is a shot of my beloved 06 Avalon.

Then you will love our garage, all three cars are white.

driver100

ab348 said:

houdini1 said:

ab348 said:

Good article on the Stinger in the local paper from their syndication service. I enjoy Ms. Giacomini's reviews and she does not write puff pieces typically, so her positive comments here are undoubtedly factual. A few good pics also.

https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/wheels/driven-2019-kia-stinger-gt-limited-20th-anniversary-396547/

Thanks for posting that. Good article. Actually there were several good car review articles and I read them all.

@driver100 , the obits are almost always the single biggest section of the paper except for sports. It is shocking to see how the classifieds have basically disappeared, most days just a single page. I had an online subscription from my old workplace for years and there was usually not much in there worth reading, a situation that was made worse by a long (over a year) strike by their journalist staff when the paper tried to downsize in light of the changes in their circulation. The strike is now over but almost nobody from before that time remains on staff. My subscription has finally ended and I see no reason to buy a new one.

The Hamilton Spectator keeps getting smaller and smaller too. International news is hopeless. But good for local news, though it is owned by Torstar so we know which way they lean. The day of a real newspaper is coming to an end, doesn't make much sense to deliver a daily newspaper, though I still like a real newspaper.
Tampa Bay Times is a bargain, about $50 a year delivered at 4 a.m.

ruking1

driver100 said:

fintail said:

I've found my pearl white to be easy to maintain, much more than the dark blue of my prior car. Too bad it is a double extra cost option:

tjc78 said:

I just love a white a car, especially one with pearl in it.

My favorite pearl white was Toyota's Blizzard Pearl here is a shot of my beloved 06 Avalon.

I know I am a little prejudice but that is one gorgeous looking car. If a car has a good basic design white will always look good.

The real issue, there’s not enough unit sales.

ab348

sda said:

I wasn't a fan of white, silver and other light colors. I liked black, dark blue, maroon and medium jewel colors. However I now gravitate to lighter colors that seem to be easier to keep looking nice and keep the car cooler. Thinking back my opinion of colors was influenced by dad who didn't like white, silver, etc. He said darker colors show off the chrome trim better.

My parents in the '60s and '70s were fans of dark red or maroon as they called it. But they also had 3 white cars over the years. I remember that my dad's '67 Pontiac in white looked very good in that shade and did not seem to be a common paint choice at the time. Your point about chrome showing better with darker colors is true. My '09 Lacrosse had quite a bit of chrome trim but since my car was silver, the effect was somewhat muted. On cars that were darker colors the chrome trim was much more prominent and looked almost overdone.

fintail

Thanks. I'll admit I was somewhat smitten from the first time I saw it. The trim, colors, and options are almost perfect. I'd also like HUD and acoustic package, but one can't be too picky about odd options when not special ordering a car.

The E, in wagon form especially, is IMO the ideal MB. In particular with this engine, which is velvety smooth yet quite fast if you call on it, and still returns acceptable mpg. The ride is supple, build quality immense, interior design pleasing. I think it is a traditional MB, and that's something I find appealing.

The car receives mixed reactions - some recoil in horror and say "why did you get a station wagon?!". Others get it, and recognize the subtle elegance of the car, and the rarity. The car being the trim variant with the traditional grille and hood ornament was also a big selling point, I wasn't interested in a "sport" trim car. As ruking says, these don't sell in any volume, especially in this trim. It's not cheap, and in this market, wagons still have a negative stereotype among non-enthusiasts. I've only seen 2 others on the road with the traditional grille/hood ornament, and none with the same wheel option. It is very likely I will never encounter my twin on the road.

driver100 said:

I know I am a little prejudice but that is one gorgeous looking car. If a car has a good basic design white will always look good.

explorerx4

2ab348,
I followed what the easiest video demonstrated. The others all had more steps.

imidazol97

sda said:

I took the Acura out for a drive today. I marvel at what a nice car it is even though it is older. Honda makes a sweet V6, smooth, powerful with a great sound. I appreciate the clear gauges. It has a trip computer that shows a lot of information including the tire pressure of each wheel. Though the graphics and resolution are dated, everything still works. When was the last time you saw a cassette player and CD changer?

What is that opening between the two knobs?

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

fintail said:

Nothing macho about one of the premium brand CUV "coupes" . It's a mall-crawling buggy that might as well be a gasoline-estrogen hybrid.

Nothing macho about a big lifted pickup either, more like overcompensating IMNSHO.

The only person I know with a big lifted pickup works his family farm down state. It spends more time in farm fields than it does on paved roads.

Yeah but I bet he shows it off every Saturday at Cows and Coffee.

Not much of a truck for shows, it has its scrapes, scratches and dents, nothing serious but they are battle scars of a work truck. He says he bought it for working, not for showing.

snakeweasel

fintail said:

LED is standard on those too, along with A-class, and is a mandatory option on 2020 E-class now.

Mandatory option? How does that work?

fintail

Technically an option per the spec sheet, but literally every car in nationwide dealer inventory will have it, only possible to exclude it via special order - which nobody would do as lacking it would greatly impact resale value.

snakeweasel said:

Mandatory option? How does that work?

ab348

I don't mind the large digital display replacing traditional gauges in new M-Bs, but the CLA dash has a couple of design touches that turn me off, maybe because I am old and cranky. I don't like the large expanse of "piano black" (read: shiny black plastic) on the dash, and I really dislike the numerous large round chrome HVAC vents. Those are unattractive whenever M-B used them and need to be replaced with a more understated and integrated-looking design.

cdnpinhead

"I've found my pearl white to be easy to maintain, much more than the dark blue of my prior car. Too bad it is a double extra cost option."

That's a pretty car.

In my (unattainable) perfect world I'd have been able to buy in the U.S. a car that the proprietor of the B& B I used near Gatwick about 15 years ago owned and parked right out front. It was a 3 series BMW diesel touring, red with a relatively small engine and, of course, it had a manual transmission. No way nohow such a vesicle would ever grace NA shores. And, no way nohow I'll ever own a BMW.

Oh well -- ain't life grand.

jmonroe

imidazol97 said:

Now I have to decide if I'm going to replace my Malibu with a Stinger. LOL
I read the article... I enjoyed the somewhat of a putdown to the AMG model of the MB C class.
It's as though there's a lot more Sabrina would like to say but didn't.

Go check it out. I can't imagine the standard backup camera would turn you off.

jmonroe

roadburner

graphicguy said:

@roadburner ....you looking at the GTS? Which dealership did you decide to go to next?

Car Town Kia in Nicholasville KY.

roadburner

qbrozen said:

You should have driven the first one you saw, even if they weren’t interested in dealing. Then you could spend the rest of your shopping just emailing dealers, if you wanted one after the drive.

You are right; if only Man Bun Salesman hadn't been such a tool; "Um... M2? That's a Mercedes, right?"

driver100

ruking1 said:

driver100 said:

fintail said:

I've found my pearl white to be easy to maintain, much more than the dark blue of my prior car. Too bad it is a double extra cost option:

tjc78 said:

I just love a white a car, especially one with pearl in it.

My favorite pearl white was Toyota's Blizzard Pearl here is a shot of my beloved 06 Avalon.

I know I am a little prejudice but that is one gorgeous looking car. If a car has a good basic design white will always look good.

The real issue, there’s not enough unit sales.

There probably are enough sales of wagons in Europe to allow MB to keep making them, and even shipping a few to North America. Sometimes it seems like almost half the cars there are wagons.....and fewer SUVs because of the price of gas.

driver100

cdnpinhead said:

"I've found my pearl white to be easy to maintain, much more than the dark blue of my prior car. Too bad it is a double extra cost option."

That's a pretty car.

In my (unattainable) perfect world I'd have been able to buy in the U.S. a car that the proprietor of the B& B I used near Gatwick about 15 years ago owned and parked right out front. It was a 3 series BMW diesel touring, red with a relatively small engine and, of course, it had a manual transmission. No way nohow such a vesicle would ever grace NA shores. And, no way nohow I'll ever own a BMW.

Oh well -- ain't life grand.

15 years ago....maybe it is available now, price should be reasonable

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

sda said:

I wasn't a fan of white, silver and other light colors. I liked black, dark blue, maroon and medium jewel colors. However I now gravitate to lighter colors that seem to be easier to keep looking nice and keep the car cooler. Thinking back my opinion of colors was influenced by dad who didn't like white, silver, etc. He said darker colors show off the chrome trim better.

My parents in the '60s and '70s were fans of dark red or maroon as they called it. But they also had 3 white cars over the years. I remember that my dad's '67 Pontiac in white looked very good in that shade and did not seem to be a common paint choice at the time. Your point about chrome showing better with darker colors is true. My '09 Lacrosse had quite a bit of chrome trim but since my car was silver, the effect was somewhat muted. On cars that were darker colors the chrome trim was much more prominent and looked almost overdone.

When I was a kid the neighbors had a 62’ Buick Skylark or Pontiac equivalent in a coffee beige which I really liked. Maybe it was because of that car that I like light brown or champagne colors to this day.

oldfarmer50

sda said:

I took the Acura out for a drive today. I marvel at what a nice car it is even though it is older. Honda makes a sweet V6, smooth, powerful with a great sound. I appreciate the clear gauges. It has a trip computer that shows a lot of information including the tire pressure of each wheel. Though the graphics and resolution are dated, everything still works. When was the last time you saw a cassette player and CD changer?

My 2000 has both which I guess was the height of technology back then.

fintail

Round vents aren't my first choice either. They can look like a cheap throwback early 2000s design. There are two types, the more subtle simple design in my car:



And the more complex design seen on some models with a sporting pretense (CLA included, as in this pic). Some have dubbed this design "cat's bum"



I am also a big fan of matte finishes rather than shiny, whether it be wood or plastic.

ab348 said:

I don't mind the large digital display replacing traditional gauges in new M-Bs, but the CLA dash has a couple of design touches that turn me off, maybe because I am old and cranky. I don't like the large expanse of "piano black" (read: shiny black plastic) on the dash, and I really dislike the numerous large round chrome HVAC vents. Those are unattractive whenever M-B used them and need to be replaced with a more understated and integrated-looking design.

fintail

Being popular there likely helps, and they carry enough of a price premium in the US to probably just make them profitable. IIRC the E wagon has the wealthiest purchaser demographic of any MB model (I am working hard to bring those numbers down), popular among old money "stealth wealth" types.

You'll see a lot less GLS, G-Wagen, X7 etc in Europe, due to road size, fuel costs, and general image.

driver100 said:

There probably are enough sales of wagons in Europe to allow MB to keep making them, and even shipping a few to North America. Sometimes it seems like almost half the cars there are wagons.....and fewer SUVs because of the price of gas.

fintail

Thanks.

Ideally, I probably would have wanted my car as an E220d (not complaining about the smooth TTV6 of course), but like your dream wagon, not possible on this continent. Cool thing, as Canada has much more sensible private import laws than the US, a Canadian can now import that 15 year old manual diesel wagon, just an ordinary old used car in Europe, a unicorn on this side of the pond.

cdnpinhead said:

That's a pretty car.

In my (unattainable) perfect world I'd have been able to buy in the U.S. a car that the proprietor of the B& B I used near Gatwick about 15 years ago owned and parked right out front. It was a 3 series BMW diesel touring, red with a relatively small engine and, of course, it had a manual transmission. No way nohow such a vesicle would ever grace NA shores. And, no way nohow I'll ever own a BMW.

Oh well -- ain't life grand.

stickguy

my local guy has a not too distant ancestor to your wagon. I do like this one. Can't see my self ever spending this much for something with the years/miles on it. But it is a nice car.

https://www.royaleasing.com/details-2011-mercedes~benz-e~class-e_350_4dr_wagon_e350_sport_4matic-used-wddhh8hb6ba307966.html

fintail

Nice color combo, basic spec - no xenons, no keyless-go, no pano, and the wood appears to have the fading issue which I believe was a warranty fix. Also has the mistake I see from a lot of sellers - that's a Tex interior, not leather. Most probably can't tell the difference (my car is Tex too, and I am fine with it). As you see, they can command fair resale value.

stickguy said:

my local guy has a not too distant ancestor to your wagon. I do like this one. Can't see my self ever spending this much for something with the years/miles on it. But it is a nice car.

https://www.royaleasing.com/details-2011-mercedes~benz-e~class-e_350_4dr_wagon_e350_sport_4matic-used-wddhh8hb6ba307966.html

qbrozen

fintail said:

Nice color combo, basic spec - no xenons, no keyless-go, no pano, and the wood appears to have the fading issue which I believe was a warranty fix. Also has the mistake I see from a lot of sellers - that's a Tex interior, not leather. Most probably can't tell the difference (my car is Tex too, and I am fine with it). As you see, they can command fair resale value.

stickguy said:

my local guy has a not too distant ancestor to your wagon. I do like this one. Can't see my self ever spending this much for something with the years/miles on it. But it is a nice car.

https://www.royaleasing.com/details-2011-mercedes~benz-e~class-e_350_4dr_wagon_e350_sport_4matic-used-wddhh8hb6ba307966.html

Probably more a necessity than a mistake. Most used buyers wouldn’t have a clue what Tex means.

fintail

Could also use vinyl, leatherette, imitation leather, etc. I see numerous ads for Tex cars where the material simply isn't specified. There's usually an easy way to tell in pics, too - MB will use different stitching patterns for Tex or leather, these can change with a model facelift, but usually are quite distinct from one another.

But if the ad uses a template that requires an entry and doesn't have one for the various names for faux leather, yeah.

qbrozen said:

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Probably more a necessity than a mistake. Most used buyers wouldn’t have a clue what Tex means.

explorerx4

2011 Genesis review made a few weeks ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-67P2I6ufM

oldfarmer50

fintail said:

Round vents aren't my first choice either. They can look like a cheap throwback early 2000s design. There are two types, the more subtle simple design in my car:



And the more complex design seen on some models with a sporting pretense (CLA included, as in this pic). Some have dubbed this design "cat's bum"



I am also a big fan of matte finishes rather than shiny, whether it be wood or plastic.

ab348 said:

I don't mind the large digital display replacing traditional gauges in new M-Bs, but the CLA dash has a couple of design touches that turn me off, maybe because I am old and cranky. I don't like the large expanse of "piano black" (read: shiny black plastic) on the dash, and I really dislike the numerous large round chrome HVAC vents. Those are unattractive whenever M-B used them and need to be replaced with a more understated and integrated-looking design.

I like the dash in the first picture. The round vents don’t detract at all.

They seem ok on the Mustang too:

oldfarmer50

OK, what just happened? I got an error message saying the ‘Handshake’ didn’t take and to try again later. Most of Edmunds was working but not the forums.

Anyone else get that weird message?

Michaell

oldfarmer50 said:

OK, what just happened? I got an error message saying the ‘Handshake’ didn’t take and to try again later. Most of Edmunds was working but not the forums.

Anyone else get that weird message?

The forums were down for a little while, earlier this evening; everyone was getting the handshake message.

All looks to be OK, now.

fintail

The plain horizontal slats seem to make it OK. On the CLA, the inset areas are maybe a little too busy and odd looking.

oldfarmer50 said:

I like the dash in the first picture. The round vents don’t detract at all.

They seem ok on the Mustang too:

stickguy

took advantage of the spring weather to wash both cars by hand in the driveway. Even was able to open the moonroof later on when we were out running errands. No sun so the wife did not even complain!

ab348

The foot of snow we got Wednesday is now all gone after a day of temps pushing 50 degrees and some light rain. Good news. Of course the local media weather alarmists are now beating the drum of fear over possible freezing rain later today. There's always something these days. People seem to love to be constantly on edge about even minor weather events. It isn't helped by govt emergency management agencies posting on social media about those same minor events. Maybe stick to actual emergencies, folks.

One funny thing yesterday was that the emergency management bunch posted a tweet that somehow self-corrected the word "ice" to "ice cream". So today as the temps fall, we are at risk of ice cream falling from the skies apparently. I'm hoping for Rocky Road.

driver100

The vents in the 2020 CLA would probably look nicer if they weren't so loud looking. They are very practical in that they can be pointed in all directions, and the louvers can direct the air more accurately. Also, most of the photos shown are looking directly into the vent at vent level, which is not the way you see them when in the car. Maybe more like this;

But, I think they would have been better if toned down....possibly black instead of chrome.

venture

driver100 said:

The vents in the 2020 CLA would probably look nicer if they weren't so loud looking. They are very practical in that they can be pointed in all directions, and the louvers can direct the air more accurately. Also, most of the photos shown are looking directly into the vent at vent level, which is not the way you see them when in the car. Maybe more like this;

But, I think they would have been better if toned down....possibly black instead of chrome.

Are air vents optional?

snakeweasel

venture said:

driver100 said:

The vents in the 2020 CLA would probably look nicer if they weren't so loud looking. They are very practical in that they can be pointed in all directions, and the louvers can direct the air more accurately. Also, most of the photos shown are looking directly into the vent at vent level, which is not the way you see them when in the car. Maybe more like this;

But, I think they would have been better if toned down....possibly black instead of chrome.

Are air vents optional?

They are a mandatory option.

venture

snakeweasel said:

venture said:

driver100 said:

The vents in the 2020 CLA would probably look nicer if they weren't so loud looking. They are very practical in that they can be pointed in all directions, and the louvers can direct the air more accurately. Also, most of the photos shown are looking directly into the vent at vent level, which is not the way you see them when in the car. Maybe more like this;

But, I think they would have been better if toned down....possibly black instead of chrome.

Are air vents optional?

They are a mandatory option.

Heh.

bwia

Delete

Ooops, I can't attach the image. I forgot how

oldfarmer50

Didn’t somebody mention the Bullitt Mustang was going up for sale?

https://youtu.be/Y1kzTyqcN9U

Escorted in like it was royalty.

Like that exhaust note.

snakeweasel

stickguy said:

took advantage of the spring weather to wash both cars by hand in the driveway. Even was able to open the moonroof later on when we were out running errands. No sun so the wife did not even complain!

We had a nice Midwest winter day, and by that I mean freezing rain mixed with snow and strong winds. Such a nice day that my wife made me take her to see Little Women. I was somewhat disappointed as the women were all normal sized.

snakeweasel

bwia said:

fintail said:

Round vents aren't my first choice either. They can look like a cheap throwback early 2000s design. There are two types, the more subtle simple design in my car:



And the more complex design seen on some models with a sporting pretense (CLA included, as in this pic). Some have dubbed this design "cat's bum"



I am also a big fan of matte finishes rather than shiny, whether it be wood or plastic.

Then perhaps you might like this 2010 Toyota RAV4 rendetion, a combination of traditional and vents. That way you are not forced to pick; yet both.

Ooops, I can't attach the image. I forgot how

My first new car, a 1981 Mustang, didn't have those unsightly vents on the dash just forced air vents coming in by your feet all operated manually. On hot summer days I was often asked why I didn't get a car with A/C my reply was that I was living in Alaska when I bought it, no real need for A/C there.

Michaell

snakeweasel said:

stickguy said:

took advantage of the spring weather to wash both cars by hand in the driveway. Even was able to open the moonroof later on when we were out running errands. No sun so the wife did not even complain!

We had a nice Midwest winter day, and by that I mean freezing rain mixed with snow and strong winds. Such a nice day that my wife made me take her to see Little Women. I was somewhat disappointed as the women were all normal sized.

Were you expecting something like this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Women:_Dallas

driver100

snakeweasel said:

stickguy said:

took advantage of the spring weather to wash both cars by hand in the driveway. Even was able to open the moonroof later on when we were out running errands. No sun so the wife did not even complain!

We had a nice Midwest winter day, and by that I mean freezing rain mixed with snow and strong winds. Such a nice day that my wife made me take her to see Little Women. I was somewhat disappointed as the women were all normal sized.

I thought it was a movie with rednecks who say things like, "Here's the Little Woman".

driver100

Michaell said:

snakeweasel said:

stickguy said:

took advantage of the spring weather to wash both cars by hand in the driveway. Even was able to open the moonroof later on when we were out running errands. No sun so the wife did not even complain!

We had a nice Midwest winter day, and by that I mean freezing rain mixed with snow and strong winds. Such a nice day that my wife made me take her to see Little Women. I was somewhat disappointed as the women were all normal sized.

Were you expecting something like this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Women:_Dallas

Some of the plot lines sound intriguing:
"Trading Spaces"
Caylea moves out of Tiffani's house, as Austin moves in; Wooda leaves Bri; Later, Emily finally feels ready to say goodbye to her son that she lost after months of mourning.
"Right to Refuse"
Amanda is getting ready for her bodybuilding competition, but she is thrown off when she is asked to take a drug test; Tiffani confronts Caylea over a pricey expense; Later, Caylea's football party ends in disaster.
I'll have to watch for it. Might be good for insomniacs

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

Michaell said:

snakeweasel said:

stickguy said:

took advantage of the spring weather to wash both cars by hand in the driveway. Even was able to open the moonroof later on when we were out running errands. No sun so the wife did not even complain!

We had a nice Midwest winter day, and by that I mean freezing rain mixed with snow and strong winds. Such a nice day that my wife made me take her to see Little Women. I was somewhat disappointed as the women were all normal sized.

Were you expecting something like this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Women:_Dallas

Some of the plot lines sound intriguing:
"Trading Spaces"
Caylea moves out of Tiffani's house, as Austin moves in; Wooda leaves Bri; Later, Emily finally feels ready to say goodbye to her son that she lost after months of mourning.
"Right to Refuse"
Amanda is getting ready for her bodybuilding competition, but she is thrown off when she is asked to take a drug test; Tiffani confronts Caylea over a pricey expense; Later, Caylea's football party ends in disaster.
I'll have to watch for it. Might be good for insomniacs

My estrogen level rose just reading that. I’ll have to take the Mustang out and burn some rubber to recover.

fintail

Sounds like the garbage my mom likes to watch on HGTV, the house purchasing/renovating shows which are really thinly disguised propaganda for the FIRE sector. The plotlines are always similar:

He is a 31 year old artisinal dog walker, she is a 29 year old underwater basketweaver, together, they are looking for a starter home in the 900K-1.1MM range.

He is a third tier pro athlete, she is a "model"/"entertainer" - he'd certainly stick around if she didn't take care of herself, she'd certainly be there without the income and status, they have two kids both with "aiden" variation names, will they remodel their house or sell it? Tune in to find out!

Suffice it to say, that channel is verboten when I visit. I don't get what the draw is for this stuff, especially for someone like my mom who has no actual interest in home improvement - I doubt more than $1000 has been spent on renovations to her house in the past 20 years. Fortunately, I have been getting her into the joys of streaming TV, and how an episode of Let's Make a Deal from 1975 is better than 99% of the material on normal TV.

driver100 said:

Caylea moves out of Tiffani's house, as Austin moves in; Wooda leaves Bri; Later, Emily finally feels ready to say goodbye to her son that she lost after months of mourning.
"Right to Refuse"
Amanda is getting ready for her bodybuilding competition, but she is thrown off when she is asked to take a drug test; Tiffani confronts Caylea over a pricey expense; Later, Caylea's football party ends in disaster.
I'll have to watch for it. Might be good for insomniacs