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driver100

stickguy said:

I think it is the prior generation that is more rounded. Though it also sorta looks like a Porsche Cayan.

Lights look like a Cayenne....but, they have the name printed across the back...windows a bit different.

stickguy

a 2012. Right color even.

driver100

Good detective work...I only went back to 2015, didn't realize that design had been around that long.

ab348

2015 maybe.

explorerx4

See driver, I'm right as usual.

snakeweasel

fintail said:

And that's you, who knows something about the cars. The typical person walking on the street can't tell it from a new one, which is very appealing for many shoppers. Same for MBs, I'll wager the average person can't tell a 2014 S-Class from a new one.

snakeweasel said:

I'll tell you it would be difficult to tell my BMW from a much newer one. It has low mileage and the previous owner kept it in good condition, still looks new inside and out.

The average person on the street doesn't know much beyond their own personal experiences. To them a white BMW 428i is just a white car.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

See driver, I'm right as usual.

One of my teachers always used to ask, "Would you have bet your life on it".
I think most of us knew it was an MKsomething or other, just couldn't find those lights.
I would have been more impressed if you gave us the year.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

fintail said:

And that's you, who knows something about the cars. The typical person walking on the street can't tell it from a new one, which is very appealing for many shoppers. Same for MBs, I'll wager the average person can't tell a 2014 S-Class from a new one.

snakeweasel said:

I'll tell you it would be difficult to tell my BMW from a much newer one. It has low mileage and the previous owner kept it in good condition, still looks new inside and out.

The average person on the street doesn't know much beyond their own personal experiences. To them a white BMW 428i is just a white car.

BMWs haven't changed there designs very much since 2003, they tweak it a bit each year and it is a design that does get even better with each change. Even my 2008 328 Cabriolet looks like a 2019 428 but a bit smaller.....you would have to be a savant to be able to tell what year most BMWs are. It is probably a good thing, as they never really look old.

ab348

Awakened yesterday morning to snow falling and it snowed all day. Let up enough just before darkness fell to go out and try to clear it all. Just under a foot of the miserable stuff. Thankfully it wasn't the heavy wet cement type we often get here. A couple of hours later and it was moved out of the way and the car cleared off, but the snowplow hadn't found my street yet. It did overnight and now I have that pile to deal with this morning.

Canada needs a warm-weather territory.

driver100

ab348 said:

Awakened yesterday morning to snow falling and it snowed all day. Let up enough just before darkness fell to go out and try to clear it all. Just under a foot of the miserable stuff. Thankfully it wasn't the heavy wet cement type we often get here. A couple of hours later and it was moved out of the way and the car cleared off, but the snowplow hadn't found my street yet. It did overnight and now I have that pile to deal with this morning.

Canada needs a warm-weather territory.

They do...it is called Florida.
Almost 3 million Canadians a year come here.

graphicguy

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

See driver, I'm right as usual.

One of my teachers always used to ask, "Would you have bet your life on it".
I think most of us knew it was an MKsomething or other, just couldn't find those lights.
I would have been more impressed if you gave us the year.

I do the same during my quarterly meetings with my sales staff. We go through revenue projections and I ask each one of them if the revenue projections are something they’d bet their job on, because they are.

I always get good revenue projections....sometimes, they’re not to the company’s liking, though. That sets up a different conversation during quarterly meetings.

graphicguy

Pretty non-Flattering....

https://newatlas.com/automotive/chrysler-airflow-vision-concept-ces/

snakeweasel

graphicguy said:

Pretty non-Flattering....

https://newatlas.com/automotive/chrysler-airflow-vision-concept-ces/

What is with those wheels? Can they even drive that car over a dime?

houdini1

imidazol97 said:

Like someone else, I'd think the spritzensprachenmachinenjuggen would have lasted better on a luxury automobile. I suspect of cars built in the US, the reservoirs come from the same sources as the pedantic, appliance cars some of us drive.

In reality, it's likely the bottle was overheated in the hot temps and the hot engine compartment. Heat ages plastics in many cases. There likely was a casting flaw.

If @driver100 gets the bottle back from the people replacing it (give them a call in advance so they don't pitch it), we can analyze what caused the leak. I'm betting for a region that has a compound curve.

I did have a "shoulder" area on the plastic radiator tank on my leSabre 1998 that had a wee crack. It was an area that was curved in more than one direction.

Only under definite radiator pressure would it seep. If the coolant level had dropped slightly, the crack didn't seep. Took me months to find the source of the fine leak. Ordered a radiator from rockauto.com. Replaced in less than 1.5 hours. Myself.

My 2014 Malibu has had no problems with radiators. And the backup camera works just fine, but keeping the lens clean is a bear. It needs a tiny windshield wiper blade to sweep the road crud off of the lens.

All the razing like folks give GM owners at times aside..., the washer fluid tank is a minor problem. For many folks, it would be a Saturday replacement if they were used to getting under their car for oil changes, etc., done by themselves. Others, aren't into working on the car.

An old plastic milk jug and a little duct tape would have worked just fine....and Red Green would have been proud.

houdini1

fintail said:

Funny thing, Altima may be built by a Japanese company, but it is intended primarily for the US market, built in the USA, and I'd wager virtually all of it is engineered in the USA as well. For all intents and purposes, it is an American car, designed and built by Americans for Americans. It is also built for a lot of fleet use I think, I wouldn't be surprised if it has a fleet mix of something like 50% or more - rental companies have been full of them for years. The new one is an improvement, but I think save for a few flashes of relevancy, it has rarely competed with Accord and Camry spec per spec, rather, on price.

driver100 said:

Comparing any car to an Altima is a pretty low bar. Nissan has really gone down hill. I like driving the Altima but everything I read indicates long term ownership would be heartbreaking.

My impressions of the Altima. They really, really tried. Lots of room, especially in the back seat area. Trim on the interior is a bit plasticy but it is tasteful. Controls are a little hard to figure out....nothing actually says "heat" or indicates it is heat....and it has only been around 60F in the morning. Other controls are hard to see what they do, and very little is the way you would expect it to be. No idea where the odometer is. Seating position for the driver is OK, but hard to get the right set up of height and position forward or back.....do Japanese people have different physiques?

But, the huge drawback to me is the steering. The wheel tugs, I am almost fighting with it on turns and even when accelerating. The ride is soft and smooth....vision gets a 75%. I feel that they are trying to keep up, but not quite there.

The Maxima was a great car back in the 90's. Nissan has kinda lost their way since then.

tjc78

We had several early 2000s Maxima's in the fleet at work back then and all of them made it to 250K+ with minimal repairs.

CEL's ultimately ended their lives. Too much work to get all emissions stuff sorted, but they still ran and drove just fine. Didn't make sense to put in new CATs, sensors etc at that mileage.

If we didn't have emissions testing they probably would have been taken to 300K+

fintail

Nissan was very relevant in the 90s, or dare I say, trendy. Young people loved the Sentra, the Altima seemed like an upmarket baby Infiniti, and the Maxima was riding high on the "4DSC" claim, and while it later grew, it remained refined with positive brand equity. The Z was super cool, relatively affordable bubble-era Japanese tech. Pathfinder was a popular and rugged real SUV, and the pickups had fans, too. Today, the brand doesn't have quite the same cachet, at least in my mind - a gaggle of bloatling CUVs (including one insulting the Pathfinder name), cars loved by fleets, etc. From what I see at auctions, they have no problems racking up the miles, but in my market anyway, they aren't what they used to be.

houdini1 said:

The Maxima was a great car back in the 90's. Nissan has kinda lost their way since then.

jmonroe

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tjc78 said:

was that the oil change story?

Ouch, that's hitting below the belt.

That is such an old story I've almost forgotten about it but he likes to remind me of it as often as he can. Let him alone, he enjoys it, I'm still waaay ahead compared to taking it to The Guy for everything especially things like a windshield washer fluid bin. I'm sure anyone who has done repairs and maintenance on their cars knows that when you do that for about 60 years, would agree I'm not exaggerating about being on the plus side of savings.

jmonroe

It may be an old story but the story is one of our classics in the C&C Hall of Fame. We all tend to rationalize a bit...which is probably a good thing. My stupid repair is a pain, but, it could have been worse;

Did anyone else notice how he cut and pasted my quote? That seems like a cheap and lack of credibility way to respond if you ask me but he did get another all-important post count.

Why did you ignore my answer to your question about negotiating a repair quote? Mine was 25% did you get one like that?

jmonroe

#1. I cut a chunk of your post to save everyone 3 minutes of their life. The meaningful part was still there.

#2. I ignored your 25% savings because I didn't want to disappoint you for your negotiating skills. A 25% savings for an overpriced repair that you negotiated $1000 off, and you still found the deal was not acceptable isn't winning the negotiation. If the repair cost $10000 and you negotiated 50% off, but didn't take the deal it isn't a deal. If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it.............

I don't remember anyone in here asking you to edit any of my posts to save them reading time. I doubt you're as considerate as you profess to be, more like trying to twist things around to suit yourself.

As for getting a better price for that engine replacement, I did in fact get one. Just because I decided not to use it doesn't change the fact that I was offered one. The car was 7 years old and I was thinking of replacing it anyhow so when the engine blew and I'd still be out 3 grand, I decided not take the discount on the new engine just to sell the car anyway. I will admit I wasn't going to replace it at that time, probably would have waited till the Spring of 2012 rather than have to replace it in November of 2011. So, once again you tried to twist something around to suit your view of what happened. I haven't read where you said you got a better repair cost, from what was first given, so I take it you didn't. If I'm wrong now is your chance to correct me. You've been around here long enough to know if you don't ask you don't get. So why would bend over and grab your ankles on the first price that was given to you for that repair job.

jmonroe

I am printing your post in its entirety, even though anyone who wants to read it can see it if they really want to, its a few posts above.
I have never tried to bargain on a repair. I trust that the garage is going to be fair, they give me an itemized invoice. If I think they aren't fair, then I will go somewhere else next time. I did say in an earlier post, I would probably buy another MB at home because the dealer has always treated me fairly, can't say the same for the 2 BMW dealers in my area. The indie garage I go to here gets 5 stars on every list, and people praise them for their work. You were a professional person, if someone wants work done it is unprofessional to try to make you work for less than you deserve.....I would not insult you by asking for a discount.

My SIL would do that, and you know what I think of him. The lawn guys said they would do his lawn for $60 a week. He says I will pay you $50 take it or leave it. That's his way of operating...it doesn't get him too far in life. I respect the guy enough to accept, or look for another quote.....but, I don't bargain for any repairs....on a car yes I will negotiate......not repairs.

I

Short and long answer to that is - it's the car biz. I didn't create the rules but I'm more than willing to play by them.

jmonroe

suydam

I had an ‘01 Maxima. The CEL was always on and it always ran great. I think that was kind of a glitch for that car.

stickguy

Seemed to gave O2 sensor issues.

cdnpinhead

". . .including one insulting the Pathfinder name. . ."

Very well put. I've driven three Nissan products, and all were excellent, but the most recent was purchased over 17 years ago, the last year before the Pathfinder swelled up.

driver100

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

tjc78 said:

was that the oil change story?

Ouch, that's hitting below the belt.

That is such an old story I've almost forgotten about it but he likes to remind me of it as often as he can. Let him alone, he enjoys it, I'm still waaay ahead compared to taking it to The Guy for everything especially things like a windshield washer fluid bin. I'm sure anyone who has done repairs and maintenance on their cars knows that when you do that for about 60 years, would agree I'm not exaggerating about being on the plus side of savings.

jmonroe

It may be an old story but the story is one of our classics in the C&C Hall of Fame. We all tend to rationalize a bit...which is probably a good thing. My stupid repair is a pain, but, it could have been worse;

Did anyone else notice how he cut and pasted my quote? That seems like a cheap and lack of credibility way to respond if you ask me but he did get another all-important post count.

Why did you ignore my answer to your question about negotiating a repair quote? Mine was 25% did you get one like that?

jmonroe

#1. I cut a chunk of your post to save everyone 3 minutes of their life. The meaningful part was still there.

#2. I ignored your 25% savings because I didn't want to disappoint you for your negotiating skills. A 25% savings for an overpriced repair that you negotiated $1000 off, and you still found the deal was not acceptable isn't winning the negotiation. If the repair cost $10000 and you negotiated 50% off, but didn't take the deal it isn't a deal. If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it.............

I don't remember anyone in here asking you to edit any of my posts to save them reading time. I doubt you're as considerate as you profess to be, more like trying to twist things around to suit yourself.

As for getting a better price for that engine replacement, I did in fact get one. Just because I decided not to use it doesn't change the fact that I was offered one. The car was 7 years old and I was thinking of replacing it anyhow so when the engine blew and I'd still be out 3 grand, I decided not take the discount on the new engine just to sell the car anyway. I will admit I wasn't going to replace it at that time, probably would have waited till the Spring of 2012 rather than have to replace it in November of 2011. So, once again you tried to twist something around to suit your view of what happened. I haven't read where you said you got a better repair cost, from what was first given, so I take it you didn't. If I'm wrong now is your chance to correct me. You've been around here long enough to know if you don't ask you don't get. So why would bend over and grab your ankles on the first price that was given to you for that repair job.

jmonroe

I am printing your post in its entirety, even though anyone who wants to read it can see it if they really want to, its a few posts above.
I have never tried to bargain on a repair. I trust that the garage is going to be fair, they give me an itemized invoice. If I think they aren't fair, then I will go somewhere else next time. I did say in an earlier post, I would probably buy another MB at home because the dealer has always treated me fairly, can't say the same for the 2 BMW dealers in my area. The indie garage I go to here gets 5 stars on every list, and people praise them for their work. You were a professional person, if someone wants work done it is unprofessional to try to make you work for less than you deserve.....I would not insult you by asking for a discount.

My SIL would do that, and you know what I think of him. The lawn guys said they would do his lawn for $60 a week. He says I will pay you $50 take it or leave it. That's his way of operating...it doesn't get him too far in life. I respect the guy enough to accept, or look for another quote.....but, I don't bargain for any repairs....on a car yes I will negotiate......not repairs.

I

Short and long answer to that is - it's the car biz. I didn't create the rules but I'm more than willing to play by them.

jmonroe

Somethings are worth working out a price that could work for everyone. But, trying to bargain over the cost of most car repairs is like going into a decent restaurant wanting to order a steak dinner. The one on the menu says it is $25 and you try to negotiate a price of $18.
In my case they didn't know what was wrong with the reservoir until they undid a lot of screws and took off some bracing. Then they could see the cracks in the plastic, but, it could have been a hose or grommet. What do you do at that point, I have no bargaining power unless I tell them to put it back together, pay for their time, and get someone else to repair it. You pretty well have to trust the mechanic, and if you find you don't trust them, then don't go back....and give them a bad review on yelp.

stickguy

I had 3 nissans. All excellent cars, and at the time, class leading or close to it. But the newest one is now 22 model years ago. Man I feel old.

1990 PU (would love that back now). 98 maxima, and 98 quest. The quest was really reliable. Light years better than the voyager it replaced. Probably should have kept it instead of upsizing to the odyssey.

fintail

Quest, forgot that one, also well-regarded when new. I remember the high trim variants were considered to be fairly posh back in the day. I've seen those and the Mercury kin with very high miles. Weird historical footnote originally being a joint venture with Ford, too.

tjc78

Mercury had a Nautica edition... was pretty sharp for a Minivan

stickguy

Mercury had the 1st version, with 3 doors. I remember test driving one. I got the first year of the remodeled 4 door. Top line model. Moonroof, fancy stereo. Pretty loaded for the day. Drove well too.

ab348

Classify the following as "Posts you regret making before you make them":

My brother just visited me and showed me his new (wait for it) BACKUP CAMERA! He installed it last weekend and it works great.

Now, this is my notorious cheapskate brother so naturally he went the bargain route, but having said that it looked good and works well. He got it at Amazon Canada and I suspect it is available in the US for much less than he paid:

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07M66N8NB/ref=pe_3034960_233709270_TE_item

It has a few downsides: the screen is smallish, about the size of a smartphone, and you need to push the button on the cigarette lighter adapter to turn it on. But the plus side of that is that it requires no cutting into the vehicle wiring harness, as both the screen and the camera are powered off the lighter outlet adapter. All he had to do was snake the wire to the camera to his rear window where he wanted to put the camera to keep it out of the weather, which he did by hiding it under the edge of the console and various other trim. The camera is stuck on with 3M adhesive of some sort so no drill either. The screen is attached to a convenient spot on the dash the same way.

It's so cheap it might be worth a flyer to see if you actually want one.

explorerx4

@Driver100, I would have bet your life on it, but you wouldn't have had anything to worry about.

driver100

ab348 said:

Classify the following as "Posts you regret making before you make them":

My brother just visited me and showed me his new (wait for it) BACKUP CAMERA! He installed it last weekend and it works great.

Now, this is my notorious cheapskate brother so naturally he went the bargain route, but having said that it looked good and works well. He got it at Amazon Canada and I suspect it is available in the US for much less than he paid:

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07M66N8NB/ref=pe_3034960_233709270_TE_item

It has a few downsides: the screen is smallish, about the size of a smartphone, and you need to push the button on the cigarette lighter adapter to turn it on. But the plus side of that is that it requires no cutting into the vehicle wiring harness, as both the screen and the camera are powered off the lighter outlet adapter. All he had to do was snake the wire to the camera to his rear window where he wanted to put the camera to keep it out of the weather, which he did by hiding it under the edge of the console and various other trim. The camera is stuck on with 3M adhesive of some sort so no drill either. The screen is attached to a convenient spot on the dash the same way.

It's so cheap it might be worth a flyer to see if you actually want one.

Ah, sounds like your brother and I have something is common.....want to see when we are backing up. These units have become very inexpensive (notice, I didn't use the word cheap).
However, if I was buying one, I would spend a bit more, and get a wireless one....that is the signal from the back of the car, usually license plate area, is sent to the monitor. No wiring and it is more accurate if mounted outside on the trunk.
I could get one now if I hooked it up to the cigarette lighter, but, I don't want a wire running down the dash to the receptacle. I would want it wired in....but, they won't do that on the MB.
Another thing I would prefer is the viewing screen would be where your rear view mirror is....so it isn't an extra item sitting on the dash.
Something more like this;
WI-FI WIRELESS BACKUP CAMERA

bwia

My 2010 Japanese Domestic Market (JDM) RAV4 was finally released from the port today after two weeks of running around filling out papers and answering questions despite the assistance of a paid broker.

I haven't driven it yet but it looks pristine inside and out as well as the engine bay area. No spare tyre but it is fairly well equipped with 4WD, AT, AC, GPS and Blue tooth. And would you believe @driver100, it comes with a back-up camera but unfortunately no blind side detection.

But the RAV4 has grown in size, it compared to my 1999. With such a large vehicle on the narrow and twisting Caribbean roads I am beginning to feel quite unsettled driving around, especially parking in those tiny /parking spots. With practice and the aforementioned back-up camera I should fine even if I have to drive 20 km/h

ab348

driver100 said:

However, if I was buying one, I would spend a bit more, and get a wireless one....that is the signal from the back of the car, usually license plate area, is sent to the monitor. No wiring and it is more accurate if mounted outside on the trunk.
I could get one now if I hooked it up to the cigarette lighter, but, I don't want a wire running down the dash to the receptacle. I would want it wired in....but, they won't do that on the MB.
Another thing I would prefer is the viewing screen would be where your rear view mirror is....so it isn't an extra item sitting on the dash.

Sounds like this is where you find yourself:

https://youtu.be/Ef9QnZVpVd8

driver100

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

However, if I was buying one, I would spend a bit more, and get a wireless one....that is the signal from the back of the car, usually license plate area, is sent to the monitor. No wiring and it is more accurate if mounted outside on the trunk.
I could get one now if I hooked it up to the cigarette lighter, but, I don't want a wire running down the dash to the receptacle. I would want it wired in....but, they won't do that on the MB.
Another thing I would prefer is the viewing screen would be where your rear view mirror is....so it isn't an extra item sitting on the dash.

Sounds like this is where you find yourself:

Perfect.....that should be my theme song.

There is only one Mick Jagger.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

@Driver100, I would have bet your life on it, but you wouldn't have had anything to worry about.

Explorer, since you have an MKsomething or other in your family you should have known what vehicle was in the water.

explorerx4

I think it's more like this:
Seal covering Jimi Hendrix.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIL8UzaACws

driver100

bwia said:

My 2010 Japanese Domestic Market (JDM) RAV4 was finally released from the port today

I haven't driven it yet but it looks pristine inside and out as well as the engine bay area. No spare tyre but it is fairly well equipped with 4WD, AT, AC, GPS and Blue tooth. And would you believe @driver100, it comes with a back-up camera but unfortunately no blind side detection.

A 2010 with a backup camera! Can't be OME is it! Though I think Toyota had it first, but only added it in other markets.
Probably don't need blind spot mirrors...can't be many on/off ramps or highways.
Enjoy the new car....I think you will get used to the size and it will become the new normal.

driver100

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driver100

explorerx4 said:

I think it's more like this:
Seal covering Jimi Hendrix.

I prefer Mick Jagger to Seal.

tjc78

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

I think it's more like this:
Seal covering Jimi Hendrix.

I prefer Mick Jagger to Seal.

Agreed

explorerx4

@driver100,
It's about the message not the song title, but I understand that's a tough one for you.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

tjc78 said:

was that the oil change story?

Ouch, that's hitting below the belt.

That is such an old story I've almost forgotten about it but he likes to remind me of it as often as he can. Let him alone, he enjoys it, I'm still waaay ahead compared to taking it to The Guy for everything especially things like a windshield washer fluid bin. I'm sure anyone who has done repairs and maintenance on their cars knows that when you do that for about 60 years, would agree I'm not exaggerating about being on the plus side of savings.

jmonroe

It may be an old story but the story is one of our classics in the C&C Hall of Fame. We all tend to rationalize a bit...which is probably a good thing. My stupid repair is a pain, but, it could have been worse;

Did anyone else notice how he cut and pasted my quote? That seems like a cheap and lack of credibility way to respond if you ask me but he did get another all-important post count.

Why did you ignore my answer to your question about negotiating a repair quote? Mine was 25% did you get one like that?

jmonroe

#1. I cut a chunk of your post to save everyone 3 minutes of their life. The meaningful part was still there.

#2. I ignored your 25% savings because I didn't want to disappoint you for your negotiating skills. A 25% savings for an overpriced repair that you negotiated $1000 off, and you still found the deal was not acceptable isn't winning the negotiation. If the repair cost $10000 and you negotiated 50% off, but didn't take the deal it isn't a deal. If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it.............

I don't remember anyone in here asking you to edit any of my posts to save them reading time. I doubt you're as considerate as you profess to be, more like trying to twist things around to suit yourself.

As for getting a better price for that engine replacement, I did in fact get one. Just because I decided not to use it doesn't change the fact that I was offered one. The car was 7 years old and I was thinking of replacing it anyhow so when the engine blew and I'd still be out 3 grand, I decided not take the discount on the new engine just to sell the car anyway. I will admit I wasn't going to replace it at that time, probably would have waited till the Spring of 2012 rather than have to replace it in November of 2011. So, once again you tried to twist something around to suit your view of what happened. I haven't read where you said you got a better repair cost, from what was first given, so I take it you didn't. If I'm wrong now is your chance to correct me. You've been around here long enough to know if you don't ask you don't get. So why would bend over and grab your ankles on the first price that was given to you for that repair job.

jmonroe

I am printing your post in its entirety, even though anyone who wants to read it can see it if they really want to, its a few posts above.
I have never tried to bargain on a repair. I trust that the garage is going to be fair, they give me an itemized invoice. If I think they aren't fair, then I will go somewhere else next time. I did say in an earlier post, I would probably buy another MB at home because the dealer has always treated me fairly, can't say the same for the 2 BMW dealers in my area. The indie garage I go to here gets 5 stars on every list, and people praise them for their work. You were a professional person, if someone wants work done it is unprofessional to try to make you work for less than you deserve.....I would not insult you by asking for a discount.

My SIL would do that, and you know what I think of him. The lawn guys said they would do his lawn for $60 a week. He says I will pay you $50 take it or leave it. That's his way of operating...it doesn't get him too far in life. I respect the guy enough to accept, or look for another quote.....but, I don't bargain for any repairs....on a car yes I will negotiate......not repairs.

I

Never negotiate with someone who fixes your car or cooks your food. You might not like the result if they cut corners.

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

Is this what they mean when they say an engine is "hydrolocked"?

Only if you try to start it with the plugs still in it.

I assume it was running to drive itself into the pool? So isn't it already hydrolocked?
Is that a Lexus?

A Lincoln owner would have the class to turn off the engine as it sank beneath the waves.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

fintail said:

And that's you, who knows something about the cars. The typical person walking on the street can't tell it from a new one, which is very appealing for many shoppers. Same for MBs, I'll wager the average person can't tell a 2014 S-Class from a new one.

snakeweasel said:

I'll tell you it would be difficult to tell my BMW from a much newer one. It has low mileage and the previous owner kept it in good condition, still looks new inside and out.

The average person on the street doesn't know much beyond their own personal experiences. To them a white BMW 428i is just a white car.

BMWs haven't changed there designs very much since 2003, they tweak it a bit each year and it is a design that does get even better with each change. Even my 2008 328 Cabriolet looks like a 2019 428 but a bit smaller.....you would have to be a savant to be able to tell what year most BMWs are. It is probably a good thing, as they never really look old.

I owned a 30 year old C4 Corvette that a clueless nimrod in a C7 thought would be fair to race. Some cars just age well.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

Awakened yesterday morning to snow falling and it snowed all day. Let up enough just before darkness fell to go out and try to clear it all. Just under a foot of the miserable stuff. Thankfully it wasn't the heavy wet cement type we often get here. A couple of hours later and it was moved out of the way and the car cleared off, but the snowplow hadn't found my street yet. It did overnight and now I have that pile to deal with this morning.

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Funny, we usually get your weather the day before but yesterday was sunny. Hopefully we’ll send you the 60 degree weather we expect on the weekend.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

See driver, I'm right as usual.

One of my teachers always used to ask, "Would you have bet your life on it".
I think most of us knew it was an MKsomething or other, just couldn't find those lights.
I would have been more impressed if you gave us the year.

I do the same during my quarterly meetings with my sales staff. We go through revenue projections and I ask each one of them if the revenue projections are something they’d bet their job on, because they are.

I always get good revenue projections....sometimes, they’re not to the company’s liking, though. That sets up a different conversation during quarterly meetings.

Boy, that brings back memories of my corporate days. So glad I pulled that plug 30 years ago. Had a few economic worries over the years being my own boss but it all worked out well in the end.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

Pretty non-Flattering....

https://newatlas.com/automotive/chrysler-airflow-vision-concept-ces/

They laughed at the cab forward concept too but it saved Chrysler’s posterior. Had to change that last word as the auto censor freaked out even with $ substituted for letters.

oldfarmer50

cdnpinhead said:

". . .including one insulting the Pathfinder name. . ."

Very well put. I've driven three Nissan products, and all were excellent, but the most recent was purchased over 17 years ago, the last year before the Pathfinder swelled up.

You want bloated, try an Armada.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

tjc78 said:

was that the oil change story?

Ouch, that's hitting below the belt.

That is such an old story I've almost forgotten about it but he likes to remind me of it as often as he can. Let him alone, he enjoys it, I'm still waaay ahead compared to taking it to The Guy for everything especially things like a windshield washer fluid bin. I'm sure anyone who has done repairs and maintenance on their cars knows that when you do that for about 60 years, would agree I'm not exaggerating about being on the plus side of savings.

jmonroe

It may be an old story but the story is one of our classics in the C&C Hall of Fame. We all tend to rationalize a bit...which is probably a good thing. My stupid repair is a pain, but, it could have been worse;

Did anyone else notice how he cut and pasted my quote? That seems like a cheap and lack of credibility way to respond if you ask me but he did get another all-important post count.

Why did you ignore my answer to your question about negotiating a repair quote? Mine was 25% did you get one like that?

jmonroe

#1. I cut a chunk of your post to save everyone 3 minutes of their life. The meaningful part was still there.

#2. I ignored your 25% savings because I didn't want to disappoint you for your negotiating skills. A 25% savings for an overpriced repair that you negotiated $1000 off, and you still found the deal was not acceptable isn't winning the negotiation. If the repair cost $10000 and you negotiated 50% off, but didn't take the deal it isn't a deal. If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it.............

I don't remember anyone in here asking you to edit any of my posts to save them reading time. I doubt you're as considerate as you profess to be, more like trying to twist things around to suit yourself.

As for getting a better price for that engine replacement, I did in fact get one. Just because I decided not to use it doesn't change the fact that I was offered one. The car was 7 years old and I was thinking of replacing it anyhow so when the engine blew and I'd still be out 3 grand, I decided not take the discount on the new engine just to sell the car anyway. I will admit I wasn't going to replace it at that time, probably would have waited till the Spring of 2012 rather than have to replace it in November of 2011. So, once again you tried to twist something around to suit your view of what happened. I haven't read where you said you got a better repair cost, from what was first given, so I take it you didn't. If I'm wrong now is your chance to correct me. You've been around here long enough to know if you don't ask you don't get. So why would bend over and grab your ankles on the first price that was given to you for that repair job.

jmonroe

I am printing your post in its entirety, even though anyone who wants to read it can see it if they really want to, its a few posts above.
I have never tried to bargain on a repair. I trust that the garage is going to be fair, they give me an itemized invoice. If I think they aren't fair, then I will go somewhere else next time. I did say in an earlier post, I would probably buy another MB at home because the dealer has always treated me fairly, can't say the same for the 2 BMW dealers in my area. The indie garage I go to here gets 5 stars on every list, and people praise them for their work. You were a professional person, if someone wants work done it is unprofessional to try to make you work for less than you deserve.....I would not insult you by asking for a discount.

My SIL would do that, and you know what I think of him. The lawn guys said they would do his lawn for $60 a week. He says I will pay you $50 take it or leave it. That's his way of operating...it doesn't get him too far in life. I respect the guy enough to accept, or look for another quote.....but, I don't bargain for any repairs....on a car yes I will negotiate......not repairs.

I

Never negotiate with someone who fixes your car or cooks your food. You might not like the result if they cut corners.

lol....we once had a gas station in town and they made little sandwiches and fast food inside. I don't think they realized the sign outside said "Get Gas Here"

driver100

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
It's about the message not the song title, but I understand that's a tough one for you.

You mean about the title....Getting Manically Depressed because that music was so bad? I listened to a fair bit but couldn't make out too much of it....I won't be putting it on my USB stick.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

graphicguy said:

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

See driver, I'm right as usual.

One of my teachers always used to ask, "Would you have bet your life on it".
I think most of us knew it was an MKsomething or other, just couldn't find those lights.
I would have been more impressed if you gave us the year.

I do the same during my quarterly meetings with my sales staff. We go through revenue projections and I ask each one of them if the revenue projections are something they’d bet their job on, because they are.

I always get good revenue projections....sometimes, they’re not to the company’s liking, though. That sets up a different conversation during quarterly meetings.

Boy, that brings back memories of my corporate days. So glad I pulled that plug 30 years ago. Had a few economic worries over the years being my own boss but it all worked out well in the end.

Once I started working for myself I found out, I would happily work for half the amount if it is my own business.

fintail

I had an Armada rental. It is a softened up Patrol, so I can excuse the size. High build quality as they are all still Japan-built (I think), but not the best seats for long haul driving.

oldfarmer50 said:

You want bloated, try an Armada.