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driver100

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

houdini1 said:

I just read an article that kids born today would likely never drive a car. In 20 years everyone would just summon a self driver when you needed one. Houses would not have a garage. But who knows, in 20 years everyone may be riding a horse or walking.

well, at the pace I am going with moving, my house will still be this one, so have a garage!

that is a nice fantasy vision. but never, ever happening in that timeframe. Maybe in select large metro areas. but way too many people live in areas that could never support it. You would also need the government to require coverage (like with cable or phone monopolies) otherwise more rural or poorer areas will never be serviced. There are also plenty of places where I doubt an autonomous car could function, and weather conditions shutting them down.

I also kind quite conceive of some self driving car showing up on christmas eve, that will fit all my wifes stuff, and drive us 5 hours to the boondocks beyond oldfarmerville. It just is not happening.

Don’t self drivers navigate by satellite? Why would it care if it was in the boondocks? Unless the collision avoidance system stops for dead raccoons and becomes paralyzed.

I would think that the problem would be finding a return fare back towards its home base.

Also in a case like that who fills up the tank when the self driving car needs gas? Especially if it runs out halfway home after dropping off Stickguy.

No different than what an Uber driver goes through now.

I always wonder about fueling too. They might have to reintroduce full service gas stations like in New Jersey.

But my concern about self drivers still is what I like to call the “mischief factor”.

What happens if a misbehaving human stands in front of a SD and refuses to let it move while his buddies steal the wheels? What if somebody drops a pumpkin off an overpass? What if a SD is subject to any one off a hundred bits of evil that humans are capable of when they think they’re anonymous?

No matter how flawless you make the self driving car you’ll never get humans to behave perfectly.

Oh now I want to block a self driving car while friends use jacks to get the drive wheels off the ground then watch it as it tries to drive away.

They won't try it if your self driving car looks like this:

qbrozen

So yesterday took much longer than anticipated. Left the house at 10 and didn’t get back till 4:30. They originally said surgery at noon and it would take about 90 mins. Not too sure when it finally started. I’d guess 12:30. But then I didn’t wake up till 3. Of course, I barely remember anything after that for a while. I know I asked the doc what else he found since it seemed to take so long. He said just had to clean up the edges of the meniscus, nothing serious. ACL was confirmed fully torn and just hanging around in there. Odd thing, though, is I THINK he said they used a cadaver patellar ligament. I don’t get that since part of my reason going with cadaver was to get an actual ACL. I have a follow-up this morn and will get the full story I hope.

driver100

stickguy said:

I am with Driver. Hit the local guy first. Who knows, maybe it was just a bad fit with the first salesdude when you ran into him. Maybe someone else, or go right to the SM, and it will be a totally different experience. If not, you get your test drive, and if you want one, can just shop from home!

I like going to a dealer I don't like. When I was checking out 2012 BMW 535s I knew I would buy from dealer A that a friend recommended. I went to my own unscrupulous dealer to look at colors etc (this dealer was closer to home), talked to the salesman, didn't like the slimeball manager who tried to sell me a demo model......I loved that I could walk away with no regrets.

oldfarmer50

I was a a Ford dealer yesterday and they had two near identical 2019 Mustang GTs. 6 speed manual with no options other than the performance package. Did it always cost $4000? I don’t think so. They were offering 0% for 72 months. Just over $40k sticker.

My local Ford store took another run at me with a $491/ mo 66 month offer on some unspecified GT. No info on what car or what price they were basing the offer on. In the fine print I believe their “great offer” was predicated on me using Ford credit at 5.8% which is stupid since I could get Under 3% at my credit union or 0% at the other dealer.

These solicitations are getting pretty insulting. I can’t believe anyone would take them up on this.

driver100

qbrozen said:

. ACL was confirmed fully torn and just hanging around in there. Odd thing, though, is I THINK he said they used a cadaver patellar ligament. I don’t get that since part of my reason going with cadaver was to get an actual ACL. I have a follow-up this morn and will get the full story I hope.

Good luck QB.
We have to be thankful such surgery is available.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

My local Ford store took another run at me with a $491/ mo 66 month offer on some unspecified GT. No info on what car or what price they were basing the offer on. In the fine print I believe their “great offer” was predicated on me using Ford credit at 5.8% which is stupid since I could get Under 3% at my credit union or 0% at the other dealer.

These solicitations are getting pretty insulting. I can’t believe anyone would take them up on this.

It is a numbers game.......some people will be insulted, others will think it is a great bargain - or at least rationalize to themselves it makes sense. Why don't they teach this stuff in schools, or do they do that now. Like why would anyone ever go to one of those money lender stores? Why do people on the judge shows buy a car for $2500 "As Is" and then complain because it needed $2000 worth of work on it the following week....why?....why?....why?

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

I was a a Ford dealer yesterday and they had two near identical 2019 Mustang GTs. 6 speed manual with no options other than the performance package. Did it always cost $4000? I don’t think so. They were offering 0% for 72 months. Just over $40k sticker.

My local Ford store took another run at me with a $491/ mo 66 month offer on some unspecified GT. No info on what car or what price they were basing the offer on. In the fine print I believe their “great offer” was predicated on me using Ford credit at 5.8% which is stupid since I could get Under 3% at my credit union or 0% at the other dealer.

These solicitations are getting pretty insulting. I can’t believe anyone would take them up on this.

Probably the Performance Package 2. It's the more serious upgrade- but you still need to install a differential cooler if you want to take more than two hot laps at a time.

roadburner

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

. ACL was confirmed fully torn and just hanging around in there. Odd thing, though, is I THINK he said they used a cadaver patellar ligament. I don’t get that since part of my reason going with cadaver was to get an actual ACL. I have a follow-up this morn and will get the full story I hope.

Good luck QB.
We have to be thankful such surgery is available.

Ditto!!!

graphicguy

qbrozen said:

So yesterday took much longer than anticipated. Left the house at 10 and didn’t get back till 4:30. They originally said surgery at noon and it would take about 90 mins. Not too sure when it finally started. I’d guess 12:30. But then I didn’t wake up till 3. Of course, I barely remember anything after that for a while. I know I asked the doc what else he found since it seemed to take so long. He said just had to clean up the edges of the meniscus, nothing serious. ACL was confirmed fully torn and just hanging around in there. Odd thing, though, is I THINK he said they used a cadaver patellar ligament. I don’t get that since part of my reason going with cadaver was to get an actual ACL. I have a follow-up this morn and will get the full story I hope.

OUCH! That sounds like a lot of work by a surgeon for out patient. My sincere well wishes for a quick recovery.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I was a a Ford dealer yesterday and they had two near identical 2019 Mustang GTs. 6 speed manual with no options other than the performance package. Did it always cost $4000? I don’t think so. They were offering 0% for 72 months. Just over $40k sticker.

My local Ford store took another run at me with a $491/ mo 66 month offer on some unspecified GT. No info on what car or what price they were basing the offer on. In the fine print I believe their “great offer” was predicated on me using Ford credit at 5.8% which is stupid since I could get Under 3% at my credit union or 0% at the other dealer.

These solicitations are getting pretty insulting. I can’t believe anyone would take them up on this.

Probably the Performance Package 2. It's the more serious upgrade- but you still need to install a differential cooler if you want to take more than two hot laps at a time.

Here’s the sticker, doesn’t mention what kind of PP. Shame That you need mods to put it on the track. I wonder what Ford’s (or other manufacturers) position on covering component failure from track use. Seems like you have to assume a car like that would see some.

https://www.windowsticker.forddirect.com/windowsticker.pdf?token=PScK9dbMj0vHnzI8Pquj90bwu9o7KHlVxBsdMOReb1OgF1HG7QTEPFKbgcgFXgnFNWd8aAdbr5Qh5lrJxZdleoY2xsaLWhLgwbc2zdAPCOCpoDUERuHJM7VqGDdQSr9+FlrUdDXi63PrQmtPgWdQb0kuo7Zf4B/vuUnXuUQN2wI=

tjc78

Speedy recovery @qbrozen !!

Did this today

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4yreMfMg8t4

Definitely not the easiest air filter ever, but still did this and the cabin filter in less than a half hour all in.

Cleaning out the glove box took longer than the filter.

Pretty funny. Last oil change back in July they told me the car needed both and quoted some crazy number (over $100) to do both. I declined and while they were finishing up ordered both from Amazon.

They ended up in the basement and I forgot all about them. I remembered them yesterday when the car said maintenance was due. So on Friday it gets that done at the dealer.

The cabin filter was pretty bad so I agree that had to be done, but the air filter still looked very clean and was marginal to replace now ... certainly not 5k ago.

I am really intrigued whether or not they will try and sell them to me on Friday again.

imidazol97

I don't know if anyone here has a Win 7 (or 8 or 8.1) computer around that hasn't been upgraded to Win 10.
I saw on a blog that Win 7 could be upgraded, FREE, to Win 10 possibly. Originally, Win 7 was not eligible other than by buying the Win 10. Guy said it might not work and it might--somewhat dependent on the license MS found as the site inspects the computer before installing or downloading.

I dug out my son's college computer tower, an I7, fastest from HP in 2010 with a top video card for gaming which had been upgraded when he was a junior because the first video card was not capable enough for fast play on the games he wanted. I bought son a Microcenter computer store house brand great gaming computer when he started work after graduating so I kept the Win 7 HP tower.

I had put it back to give to Goodwill because I only use my laptops now.

I tried the upgrade expecting it wouldn't work. Downloaded the Win 10 and ran and installed perfectly. Free. Of course Win 7 was no longer supported after January 10 for updates and fixing flaws by Microsoft.

jmonroe

qbrozen said:

So yesterday took much longer than anticipated. Left the house at 10 and didn’t get back till 4:30. They originally said surgery at noon and it would take about 90 mins. Not too sure when it finally started. I’d guess 12:30. But then I didn’t wake up till 3. Of course, I barely remember anything after that for a while. I know I asked the doc what else he found since it seemed to take so long. He said just had to clean up the edges of the meniscus, nothing serious. ACL was confirmed fully torn and just hanging around in there. Odd thing, though, is I THINK he said they used a cadaver patellar ligament. I don’t get that since part of my reason going with cadaver was to get an actual ACL. I have a follow-up this morn and will get the full story I hope.

The answer to the switcheroo may lie with Mrs. @qbrozen. I think I read somewhere that a transplanted patella ligament lessens the urge to buy cars all the time. Ask your doctor what she said to him when they were wheeling you to surgery.

In any case we hope you're back to your old self in no time.

jmonroe

tjc78

imidazol97 said:

I don't know if anyone here has a Win 7 (or 8 or 8.1) computer around that hasn't been upgraded to Win 10.
I saw on a blog that Win 7 could be upgraded, FREE, to Win 10 possibly. Originally, Win 7 was not eligible other than by buying the Win 10. Guy said it might not work and it might--somewhat dependent on the license MS found as the site inspects the computer before installing or downloading.

I dug out my son's college computer tower, an I7, fastest from HP in 2010 with a top video card for gaming which had been upgraded when he was a junior because the first video card was not capable enough for fast play on the games he wanted. I bought son a Microcenter computer store house brand great gaming computer when he started work after graduating so I kept the Win 7 HP tower.

I had put it back to give to Goodwill because I only use my laptops now.

I tried the upgrade expecting it wouldn't work. Downloaded the Win 10 and ran and installed perfectly. Free. Of course Win 7 was no longer supported after January 10 for updates and fixing flaws by Microsoft.

It has been a while but I upgraded a few WIN7 machines to WIN10 with no issues.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

My local Ford store took another run at me with a $491/ mo 66 month offer on some unspecified GT. No info on what car or what price they were basing the offer on. In the fine print I believe their “great offer” was predicated on me using Ford credit at 5.8% which is stupid since I could get Under 3% at my credit union or 0% at the other dealer.

These solicitations are getting pretty insulting. I can’t believe anyone would take them up on this.

It is a numbers game.......some people will be insulted, others will think it is a great bargain - or at least rationalize to themselves it makes sense. Why don't they teach this stuff in schools, or do they do that now. Like why would anyone ever go to one of those money lender stores? Why do people on the judge shows buy a car for $2500 "As Is" and then complain because it needed $2000 worth of work on it the following week....why?....why?....why?

For the same reason you're addicted to the judge shows...they lack a working brain.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

tjc78 said:

Speedy recovery @qbrozen !!

Did this today

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4yreMfMg8t4

Definitely not the easiest air filter ever, but still did this and the cabin filter in less than a half hour all in.

Cleaning out the glove box took longer than the filter.

Pretty funny. Last oil change back in July they told me the car needed both and quoted some crazy number (over $100) to do both. I declined and while they were finishing up ordered both from Amazon.

They ended up in the basement and I forgot all about them. I remembered them yesterday when the car said maintenance was due. So on Friday it gets that done at the dealer.

The cabin filter was pretty bad so I agree that had to be done, but the air filter still looked very clean and was marginal to replace now ... certainly not 5k ago.

I am really intrigued whether or not they will try and sell them to me on Friday again.

They probably get a prompt from their computer based on milage or time interval. Far be it from them to pass up a chance to make a buck off you. Even the car is in on it. I get a “change oil soon” warning on the Mustang after one year even if it’s only been driven a thousand miles.

stickguy

I guarantee they will tell you that you need it, since they did last time and won't expect you to replace yourself. The engine filter they may take a peek at, but I would bet they never pull out the cabin filter since they have to empty the glove box.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

tjc78 said:

Speedy recovery @qbrozen !!

Did this today

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4yreMfMg8t4

Definitely not the easiest air filter ever, but still did this and the cabin filter in less than a half hour all in.

Cleaning out the glove box took longer than the filter.

Pretty funny. Last oil change back in July they told me the car needed both and quoted some crazy number (over $100) to do both. I declined and while they were finishing up ordered both from Amazon.

They ended up in the basement and I forgot all about them. I remembered them yesterday when the car said maintenance was due. So on Friday it gets that done at the dealer.

The cabin filter was pretty bad so I agree that had to be done, but the air filter still looked very clean and was marginal to replace now ... certainly not 5k ago.

I am really intrigued whether or not they will try and sell them to me on Friday again.

They probably get a prompt from their computer based on milage or time interval. Far be it from them to pass up a chance to make a buck off you. Even the car is in on it. I get a “change oil soon” warning on the Mustang after one year even if it’s only been driven a thousand miles.

That's exactly how they do it. If their records don't show you have had it done, they will try their damndest to sell it to you. Years ago I was told I needed both a cabin and air filter when my car went in for a factory recall. I think it was for a brake light switch but that's not important. What is important was they insisted I needed those filters. When I ask the guy at the service desk why he was so insistent that I needed them he said the tech said they were pretty dirty. I didn't tell him that I changed both of them about 3 months ago. I just said, "I don't think I do but if the tech pulled them out and showed me they were dirty, I would pay double what they normally charge". Those Service Advisors ain't as dumb as they look and are pretty quick with their mouths. He must have guessed that I had changed them because he quickly said something like, "ya know, I don't think we have time to do that today anyhow. Maybe we can put that off till the next time you come in". Like I said, you can't pull the wool over their eyes.

jmonroe

driver100

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

My local Ford store took another run at me with a $491/ mo 66 month offer on some unspecified GT. No info on what car or what price they were basing the offer on. In the fine print I believe their “great offer” was predicated on me using Ford credit at 5.8% which is stupid since I could get Under 3% at my credit union or 0% at the other dealer.

These solicitations are getting pretty insulting. I can’t believe anyone would take them up on this.

It is a numbers game.......some people will be insulted, others will think it is a great bargain - or at least rationalize to themselves it makes sense. Why don't they teach this stuff in schools, or do they do that now. Like why would anyone ever go to one of those money lender stores? Why do people on the judge shows buy a car for $2500 "As Is" and then complain because it needed $2000 worth of work on it the following week....why?....why?....why?

For the same reason you're addicted to the judge shows...they lack a working brain.

jmonroe

Those shows taught me how to catch liars....a valuable lesson in life.
I probably would have caught that service guy before you did.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

My local Ford store took another run at me with a $491/ mo 66 month offer on some unspecified GT. No info on what car or what price they were basing the offer on. In the fine print I believe their “great offer” was predicated on me using Ford credit at 5.8% which is stupid since I could get Under 3% at my credit union or 0% at the other dealer.

These solicitations are getting pretty insulting. I can’t believe anyone would take them up on this.

It is a numbers game.......some people will be insulted, others will think it is a great bargain - or at least rationalize to themselves it makes sense. Why don't they teach this stuff in schools, or do they do that now. Like why would anyone ever go to one of those money lender stores? Why do people on the judge shows buy a car for $2500 "As Is" and then complain because it needed $2000 worth of work on it the following week....why?....why?....why?

For the same reason you're addicted to the judge shows...they lack a working brain.

jmonroe

Those shows taught me how to catch liars....a valuable lesson in life.
I probably would have caught that service guy before you did.

In your dreams.

jmonroe

ab348

tjc78 said:

imidazol97 said:

I don't know if anyone here has a Win 7 (or 8 or 8.1) computer around that hasn't been upgraded to Win 10.
I saw on a blog that Win 7 could be upgraded, FREE, to Win 10 possibly. Originally, Win 7 was not eligible other than by buying the Win 10. Guy said it might not work and it might--somewhat dependent on the license MS found as the site inspects the computer before installing or downloading.

I dug out my son's college computer tower, an I7, fastest from HP in 2010 with a top video card for gaming which had been upgraded when he was a junior because the first video card was not capable enough for fast play on the games he wanted. I bought son a Microcenter computer store house brand great gaming computer when he started work after graduating so I kept the Win 7 HP tower.

I had put it back to give to Goodwill because I only use my laptops now.

I tried the upgrade expecting it wouldn't work. Downloaded the Win 10 and ran and installed perfectly. Free. Of course Win 7 was no longer supported after January 10 for updates and fixing flaws by Microsoft.

It has been a while but I upgraded a few WIN7 machines to WIN10 with no issues.

Other than all the issues that come built-in with Windows 10. I really dislike it.

tjc78

I’ve had little to no issues with anything that has WIN10 on it. I’ve come to like it quite a bit.

tjc78

stickguy said:

I guarantee they will tell you that you need it, since they did last time and won't expect you to replace yourself. The engine filter they may take a peek at, but I would bet they never pull out the cabin filter since they have to empty the glove box.

I tend to agree. Imagine how much money those cabin filters have made everyone! We had cars for many many years without them and survived just fine.

stickguy

tjc78 said:

I’ve had little to no issues with anything that has WIN10 on it. I’ve come to like it quite a bit.

Much better than 8. I hated that one.

qbrozen

So doc says nobody ever replaces an ACL with an ACL. Weird. Anyway, he is impressed with my lack of pain and range of movement inside of 1 day. Says I can get back to driving in 2 weeks. He urged, however, that I avoid putting weight on it, no matter how good I feel. It isn't how I feel but how it heals. I don't want to wreck it before it has a chance to adhere to the bone. My wife was there for this discussion and said "Good! I'm glad you told him that and I was here for it. He would never take it easy otherwise. So now I can yell at him if he gets up." (as if she never yells at me)

explorerx4

To replace the air filter in my vehicles, I just have unsnap between 2 and 4 clips, open the top of the box, switch filters and lose back up.
I watched a lot of 'how to' videos for cabin air filter replacement, but it only took about 10 minutes.

explorerx4

At work, they told us to stop using Internet Explorer, due to a 'zero day' bug, with no solution, yet.

jmonroe

tjc78 said:

stickguy said:

I guarantee they will tell you that you need it, since they did last time and won't expect you to replace yourself. The engine filter they may take a peek at, but I would bet they never pull out the cabin filter since they have to empty the glove box.

I tend to agree. Imagine how much money those cabin filters have made everyone! We had cars for many many years without them and survived just fine.

That was then and this is now. People today, probably more mothers than fathers, want the very last micron of filthy air removed from their cars. Who knew that cars were traveling garbage cans on wheels? I know I didn't. Can you imagine how many lost sales a manufacturer would suffer if they decided not to play the cabin air filter game? Then you have to consider the lost service dept revenue.

As the man said, "follow the money".

jmonroe

roadburner

The cabin filter in the ti is a bear to replace, and the Mazdaspeed 3 was only a little better. The Clubman is dead easy. When I replaced it it was a mess. I was surprised I was getting any air flow at all. That said, it’s a big filter.

jmonroe

explorerx4 said:

To replace the air filter in my vehicles, I just have unsnap between 2 and 4 clips, open the top of the box, switch filters and lose back up.
I watched a lot of 'how to' videos for cabin air filter replacement, but it only took about 10 minutes.

If you want to have nightmares, go look at what you had to go through to change early 2000 Subie cabin air filters. It was a LOT more involved than a few clips or yanking out the glove box. Sure glad they changed all that before we got Mrs. j's first Legacy in 2012. If they didn't change how they mounted it by 2012 that sucker would never have been changed in that car. No way a dealer or any shop would have done those for $9.95 plus filter.

jmonroe

stickguy

I doubt they would lose many sales, because I don't recall a salesman ever mentioning it, and I know I never asked!

only bad car I ever had was the S40 Volvo. dealer wanted a fortune because it was an hour of labor. So I passed, and pretty sure (based on records) it was never done. I looked it up and said no way I am trying. It was up behind the pedals, so had to jam upside down into the footwell, and take various parts off, including the brake pedal assembly. absurd place to put a normal maintenance item.

every other car has been pretty simple

carnaught

@qbrozen, in a cadaver the patellar tendons are a lot more stout than the ACL making for a stronger repair. Don't overdo it, and have a healthy uneventful post-Op.

tjc78

Hardest cabin filter I've owned was my 2003 Avalon. Had to remove the whole bottom of the dashboard to gain access.

Quite honestly the Enclave was the "hardest" engine air filter I've owned. They are usually just like @explorerx4 mentions. I haven't lifted the hood of the Volvo yet so can't speak for that one.

jmonroe

qbrozen said:

So doc says nobody ever replaces an ACL with an ACL. Weird. Anyway, he is impressed with my lack of pain and range of movement inside of 1 day. Says I can get back to driving in 2 weeks. He urged, however, that I avoid putting weight on it, no matter how good I feel. It isn't how I feel but how it heals. I don't want to wreck it before it has a chance to adhere to the bone. My wife was there for this discussion and said "Good! I'm glad you told him that and I was here for it. He would never take it easy otherwise. So now I can yell at him if he gets up." (as if she never yells at me)

You have the perfect excuse to say, "get me this" then a few minutes later saying, "get me that", then a few minutes later saying...you get the idea. I don't think I'm willing to chance that after my cataract surgery tomorrow not unless I'm willing to chance a few laps around the table and maybe even a bigger chance of stumbling because of a depth perception problem due to having a patch over my left eye. Count your blessings man, you've got it made

jmonroe

stickguy

Volvo is a lease. Unless the washer fluid low light comes on, why bother to ever open it?

The snap clips make it easy. I remember doing some air filters where you had to get a screw driver or nut driver to get the screws out to take the top off.

tjc78

Very true... typically once through the lease I do both filters like I did today. Otherwise, you are correct no reason to open it other than to clean out any debris from the cowl.

I've extended the job search to a much further commute (or traveling) than a lease would allow. That would get interesting with two leases and one being in the first year. I suppose I'd mile the Enclave up and either buy it out in December or pay the mileage penalty. Good thing is the wife's commute is 10 miles /day so could always swap cars every other week too.

stickguy

I might change the cabin filter in the TLX, only because when I recently bought one for the RDX it turns out they use the same one, and I ordered a 2 pack because it was cheaper. And I have no intention of keeping the RDX long enough to need another replacement.

good luck on the job front. Worst case, you get the next car early, or something like QB's Ioniq that is cheaper than the overmiles and extra gas.

I look on and off (mostly off) but need to ramp that up soon. One worry is if I find the perfect job but it means driving to Delaware or Princeton area, so my 10K/year lease will never cut it. I would have to in that case get a 2nd car to use up. though much prefer to get a better job, also mostly WFH.

tjc78

Thanks! I had a couple solid phone interviews and am on the radar with some recruiters but it’s not easy to get past those automated systems everyone uses.

Thinking about getting my resume professionally done to optimize it for my skills.

As for the car, if needed I wouldn’t be opposed to a third car cheap lease. That would work!

As a wild card too I could always mile up my Mom’s car if I had to. I don’t think she will use 15k or her allotted 30k in three years.

laurasdada

Speedy and full recovery, QB,
Changing the cabin filter in the Jag XK was a breeze, under the hood. The XF, nope, gotta remove the glove box... Last checkup, my indie checked said although due, it was fine, didn't need to be replaced. Sweet.

oldfarmer50

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

tjc78 said:

Speedy recovery @qbrozen !!

Did this today

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4yreMfMg8t4

Definitely not the easiest air filter ever, but still did this and the cabin filter in less than a half hour all in.

Cleaning out the glove box took longer than the filter.

Pretty funny. Last oil change back in July they told me the car needed both and quoted some crazy number (over $100) to do both. I declined and while they were finishing up ordered both from Amazon.

They ended up in the basement and I forgot all about them. I remembered them yesterday when the car said maintenance was due. So on Friday it gets that done at the dealer.

The cabin filter was pretty bad so I agree that had to be done, but the air filter still looked very clean and was marginal to replace now ... certainly not 5k ago.

I am really intrigued whether or not they will try and sell them to me on Friday again.

They probably get a prompt from their computer based on milage or time interval. Far be it from them to pass up a chance to make a buck off you. Even the car is in on it. I get a “change oil soon” warning on the Mustang after one year even if it’s only been driven a thousand miles.

That's exactly how they do it. If their records don't show you have had it done, they will try their damndest to sell it to you. Years ago I was told I needed both a cabin and air filter when my car went in for a factory recall. I think it was for a brake light switch but that's not important. What is important was they insisted I needed those filters. When I ask the guy at the service desk why he was so insistent that I needed them he said the tech said they were pretty dirty. I didn't tell him that I changed both of them about 3 months ago. I just said, "I don't think I do but if the tech pulled them out and showed me they were dirty, I would pay double what they normally charge". Those Service Advisors ain't as dumb as they look and are pretty quick with their mouths. He must have guessed that I had changed them because he quickly said something like, "ya know, I don't think we have time to do that today anyhow. Maybe we can put that off till the next time you come in". Like I said, you can't pull the wool over their eyes.

jmonroe

Can’t wait until someone tries to tell me I need a new air filter.

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

I was a a Ford dealer yesterday and they had two near identical 2019 Mustang GTs. 6 speed manual with no options other than the performance package. Did it always cost $4000? I don’t think so. They were offering 0% for 72 months. Just over $40k sticker.

My local Ford store took another run at me with a $491/ mo 66 month offer on some unspecified GT. No info on what car or what price they were basing the offer on. In the fine print I believe their “great offer” was predicated on me using Ford credit at 5.8% which is stupid since I could get Under 3% at my credit union or 0% at the other dealer.

These solicitations are getting pretty insulting. I can’t believe anyone would take them up on this.

Well $491/month for 66 months at 5.8% interest is a loan amount of under $27K so I would say if it was a GT it was used or they wanted a big downpayment.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

My local Ford store took another run at me with a $491/ mo 66 month offer on some unspecified GT. No info on what car or what price they were basing the offer on. In the fine print I believe their “great offer” was predicated on me using Ford credit at 5.8% which is stupid since I could get Under 3% at my credit union or 0% at the other dealer.

These solicitations are getting pretty insulting. I can’t believe anyone would take them up on this.

It is a numbers game.......some people will be insulted, others will think it is a great bargain - or at least rationalize to themselves it makes sense. Why don't they teach this stuff in schools, or do they do that now. Like why would anyone ever go to one of those money lender stores? Why do people on the judge shows buy a car for $2500 "As Is" and then complain because it needed $2000 worth of work on it the following week....why?....why?....why?

Those that use things like money lender stores dont see money as we do. These people are usually living paycheck to paycheck and see money as a fleeting commodity that needs to be consumed before it disappears. They have little experience in paying all the bills and having a respectable amount of money left over. This is why a lot of lottery winners end up dead broke after winning several million dollars.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

My local Ford store took another run at me with a $491/ mo 66 month offer on some unspecified GT. No info on what car or what price they were basing the offer on. In the fine print I believe their “great offer” was predicated on me using Ford credit at 5.8% which is stupid since I could get Under 3% at my credit union or 0% at the other dealer.

These solicitations are getting pretty insulting. I can’t believe anyone would take them up on this.

It is a numbers game.......some people will be insulted, others will think it is a great bargain - or at least rationalize to themselves it makes sense. Why don't they teach this stuff in schools, or do they do that now. Like why would anyone ever go to one of those money lender stores? Why do people on the judge shows buy a car for $2500 "As Is" and then complain because it needed $2000 worth of work on it the following week....why?....why?....why?

Those that use things like money lender stores dont see money as we do. These people are usually living paycheck to paycheck and see money as a fleeting commodity that needs to be consumed before it disappears. They have little experience in paying all the bills and having a respectable amount of money left over. This is why a lot of lottery winners end up dead broke after winning several million dollars.

Good point, they see money different than we do. Maybe they have the right idea, spend it as it comes in.

snakeweasel

tjc78 said:

stickguy said:

I guarantee they will tell you that you need it, since they did last time and won't expect you to replace yourself. The engine filter they may take a peek at, but I would bet they never pull out the cabin filter since they have to empty the glove box.

I tend to agree. Imagine how much money those cabin filters have made everyone! We had cars for many many years without them and survived just fine.

I remember being told that I needed a new cabin filter in the Sebring once. I told them since it never had one I really didn't see a reason for it.

ab348

I told the story here before but since I can't find a way to search my comments here I'll repost it. I had a disappointing experience with my 2011 Regal Turbo one time when it was at the dealer for service. When I went to pick it up they told me the tech recommended changing the engine air filter. I asked how much, was told $100, I said no thanks. On the way home I stopped at a parts store and picked up the filter for a few bucks. But when I got home I found the air box was sealed by a half-dozen torx screws in an oddball size. Fortunately I found the right bit in my collection. When I opened it up the filter was soiled and perhaps did need replacing, but the tech left the little twigs, dead bugs, etc, in the bottom of the air box. Three questions: why didn't they call me at the time it was opened up to let me make the decision then, why was it designed in a way that was so hard to access, and why wouldn't the tech at least clean the loose debris when it was staring him in the face?

imidazol97

Amazon order came today. A previous order I had watched the delivery truck on a map as it wandered the nearby neighborhood dropping off deliveries. I was at the curb when she got to my address. She verified my ID verbally and didn't even have to get out of the truck.

Today's delivery had the usual notice by email that package had been delivered. But it also had a picture of the package where it had been placed. It was blocked from view of the street by a large flower pot and decoration. Secure. Then a question about happy with delivery: yes or no. And a choice of 5 or 6 descriptive phrases to compliment the driver.

They've gotten this down to a science.

If only Amazon could get into the new car sales business.

graphicguy

@stickguy ...

-TLX cabin filter....in the back of the glove box.....easy-peezy! Takes at most 5 mins.

Just looked at a YouTube for the Stinger’s replacement passenger air filter. Similar to the TLX...back of the glove box.

tjc78

ab348 said:

I told the story here before but since I can't find a way to search my comments here I'll repost it. I had a disappointing experience with my 2011 Regal Turbo one time when it was at the dealer for service. When I went to pick it up they told me the tech recommended changing the engine air filter. I asked how much, was told $100, I said no thanks. On the way home I stopped at a parts store and picked up the filter for a few bucks. But when I got home I found the air box was sealed by a half-dozen torx screws in an oddball size. Fortunately I found the right bit in my collection. When I opened it up the filter was soiled and perhaps did need replacing, but the tech left the little twigs, dead bugs, etc, in the bottom of the air box. Three questions: why didn't they call me at the time it was opened up to let me make the decision then, why was it designed in a way that was so hard to access, and why wouldn't the tech at least clean the loose debris when it was staring him in the face?

The Enclave was 6 Torx screws as well. Why not a Phillips or hex head? Makes zero sense unless the Torx screws are easier to install on the line for whatever reason.

stickguy

AB, probably not doing 1 iota extra work if not getting paid. Plus, that assumes they actually opened it up to check.

Imid, they do have it dialed in. Though there was a piece on the news recently about a "porch pirate" that was the driver. He put the package on the porch, took the delivery confirmation picture, then picked it back up and took it with him. While of course being captured on security video.

And just wait for Amazon to buy Carvana or one of the dealer chains and doing just that. They have all the technology running already, so should be easy peezy. Or just partner with a big dealer chain to run the internet department for them.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

tjc78 said:

Speedy recovery @qbrozen !!

Did this today

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4yreMfMg8t4

Definitely not the easiest air filter ever, but still did this and the cabin filter in less than a half hour all in.

Cleaning out the glove box took longer than the filter.

Pretty funny. Last oil change back in July they told me the car needed both and quoted some crazy number (over $100) to do both. I declined and while they were finishing up ordered both from Amazon.

They ended up in the basement and I forgot all about them. I remembered them yesterday when the car said maintenance was due. So on Friday it gets that done at the dealer.

The cabin filter was pretty bad so I agree that had to be done, but the air filter still looked very clean and was marginal to replace now ... certainly not 5k ago.

I am really intrigued whether or not they will try and sell them to me on Friday again.

They probably get a prompt from their computer based on milage or time interval. Far be it from them to pass up a chance to make a buck off you. Even the car is in on it. I get a “change oil soon” warning on the Mustang after one year even if it’s only been driven a thousand miles.

That's exactly how they do it. If their records don't show you have had it done, they will try their damndest to sell it to you. Years ago I was told I needed both a cabin and air filter when my car went in for a factory recall. I think it was for a brake light switch but that's not important. What is important was they insisted I needed those filters. When I ask the guy at the service desk why he was so insistent that I needed them he said the tech said they were pretty dirty. I didn't tell him that I changed both of them about 3 months ago. I just said, "I don't think I do but if the tech pulled them out and showed me they were dirty, I would pay double what they normally charge". Those Service Advisors ain't as dumb as they look and are pretty quick with their mouths. He must have guessed that I had changed them because he quickly said something like, "ya know, I don't think we have time to do that today anyhow. Maybe we can put that off till the next time you come in". Like I said, you can't pull the wool over their eyes.

jmonroe

Can’t wait until someone tries to tell me I need a new air filter.

Let me be the first to tell you that you don't have to change that air filter today. Although tomorrow I'd ask your dealer just to be on the safe side.

jmonroe