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driver100

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

always know what the other guy could do?

You are ready for the guy next to you who is also going 80 mph who is going to speed up and wedge his car between you and the guy in front of you.

Being sure you are in the top 10%.

so the top 10% are precognitive? Damn! I'm missing out!

BTW, I am pretty damned good at reading people on the road. I very often know what they will do before they do it. I like to say to my sons "watch. this lady/guy is going to ..." But "always"? Nope. So if that's what it takes to be top 10%, then I fail.

I still like my older brothers rule:
Think of the stupidest thing the guy around you could possibly do, then get ready, because he will probably do it.
That has saved me many times!

driver100

fintail said:

Maybe self-immolation from listening to those accents all the time?

My local dealer loves to leave showroom cars on trickle chargers all the time. I wonder if that was in play here, and had anything to do with it.

If my late model under warranty prestige car is acting up, especially something as notoriously quirky as a Maserati, is acting up, I'm taking it to the dealer and letting them deal with it. If it ends up just being a fuse, great, I get it back quicker. I think I've maybe changed a fuse in a car once, they don't seem to fail often. MB tends to locate the boxes in easy locations, in the fintail it is on the firewall.

ab348 said:

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I think MB now puts them in a little panel in the trunk, pretty easy to get at. But, I agree, could be false economizing to try to do something yourself and then have the car blow up on you...or catch fire.

stickguy

I used that same rule with my kids when I was teaching them. Still applies.

For fuses, the trick can be figuring out which one. And real important, what caused it to blow. And if there aren’t correct spares in the box, you end up at the dealer anyway.

driver100

roadburner said:

You two DO sound made for each other.
As for Maser Boy, it’s his money; if he likes to spend it by going to his dealer, dropping his pants and grabbing his ankles, who am I to criticize him?
I only hope that they send him flowers the next morning- one would think that they would compliment his “beautiful” driving.

Have you met Cdnpinhead....sounds like you two were made for each other...he "likes" everything you say.

roadburner

I don’t think that the ability to parallel park has any bearing on how good a driver you are. I do think the ability to anticipate what other vehicle operators(“driver” is often too generous a description) are going to do is an essential skill. So is actually realizing when you have made a mistake and what needs to be done to correct it.
My pet peeve is the typical brain-dead moron who takes curves and ramps at 50% of the advisory speed with the brakes applied the entire time.
Another population group that needs to be confined to public transit.

jmonroe

imidazol97 said:

roadburner said:

snakeweasel said:

roadburner said:

driver100 said:

roadburner said:

Instead, I went to my 2 Series forum and discovered that the problem is solved by pulling and reinstalling fuse #120- which provides power to the telematics. Five minutes later I was back in business.

That would work great, if he could find the fuse.

Some people can fix cars, some can fix their houses, some can build stuff. For other people, their expertise lies somewhere else. I have friends that keep cars going for decades, and do most of their own repairs. In this case, my friend who had the Maserati but traded it for an Audi SR8 (I think-big racing Audi anyway) was brilliant at retailing. Found himself out of work, mortgaged his house to invest in a business plan, built a chain of stores....he doesn't care if he has to pay the dealer $250 to fix his car.

I'm sorry, but no way in H*ll do I consider replacing a fuse "fixing" a car. Being able to pull and replace a fuse is a minimum level of competence that every driver should possess. I suspect that your friend Mr. Maserati is equally clueless behind the wheel.
He should be confined to public transit.

I disagree with that. If something is not working or not working properly and you do something to make it work properly then you fixed it. Even if it is something as basic as replacing a fuse.

I was replying to Driver’s comment about people who can fix cars, assuming he was referring to DIY/shade tree mechanics- the individuals who have a more extensive knowledge about cars. My point was that if you can’t do something as ridiculously simple as replacing a fuse you are a very pathetic and inept vehicle owner.

I recall in my youth having to replace fuses in our cars in the late 50s and 60s and into the 70s occasionally as things would just blow the fuses.

Now I can't recall when I've had to replace a fuse for a long time in my Chevys and Buicks before that.

Well, here's hoping your luck is better than mine. If I bragged about not being able to recall when I last changed a fuse, by tomorrow morning I wouldn't be bragging anymore.

jmonroe

roadburner

I have picked up so much helpful information in this topic; I never would have thought that changing a fuse could blow up you car or cause it to catch fire.
Lesson learned.

driver100

roadburner said:

I have picked up so much helpful information in this topic; I never would have thought that changing a fuse could blow up you car or cause it to catch fire.
Lesson learned.

It could if you changed the wrong one...and left the faulty one in. Best for most people to take it to the guy....they probably won't charge to put in a new fuse...just the part which you would have to buy anyway.

One of our tennis guys said his 20 something year old Corvette had a burning smell coming from the steering wheel. Car has 180000 miles on it....figures it is a wire shorting.

roadburner

If it is actually true that most people aren’t capable of changing an automotive fuse then I must concede that the dumbing down of the American populace is proceeding at an exponential rate even higher than I have previously predicted.
What next?
A “Caution-Sharp edges!” label affixed to every knife?

cdnpinhead

Soldering iron instructions (some may need to Google what a soldering iron is):
1. Pick up soldering iron
2. If discomfort is noted, set it down and pick up the other end

cdnpinhead

driver100 said:

roadburner said:

You two DO sound made for each other.
As for Maser Boy, it’s his money; if he likes to spend it by going to his dealer, dropping his pants and grabbing his ankles, who am I to criticize him?
I only hope that they send him flowers the next morning- one would think that they would compliment his “beautiful” driving.

Have you met Cdnpinhead....sounds like you two were made for each other...he "likes" everything you say.

Just for grins, I went back a few pages and found sixteen posts by roadburner. I "liked" two of them. Apparently you prefer hyperbole to counting.

suydam

nyccarguy said:

suydam said:

When we took a similar trip — 3 days at Universal and then a week driving trip north — we found it easiest to take the shuttle to Universal/Disney, and then we Ubered back to the airport to rent a car. That way it was easy to drop off the car at the airport for the return flight home. Why do you need a car at for your time at Universal? Like Disney, they’ll shuttle you back and forth to the theme park every day. And the 2 parks are right next to each other.

I'm not staying "on the property" or at a hotel close to Universal. We are staying at a resort that's maybe 20 minutes away. We are only going to go to Universal for maybe 2 days. We will spend another couple of days at the pool at our resort, relaxing, detoxing from Disney...

So we will need a car for that portion of the trip.

In that case you could just use Uber to get back and forth. Probably cheaper than renting a car. Does the resort charge a daily parking fee?

suydam

roadburner said:

If it is actually true that most people aren’t capable of changing an automotive fuse then I must concede that the dumbing down of the American populace is proceeding at an exponential rate even higher than I have previously predicted.
What next?
A “Caution-Sharp edges!” label affixed to every knife?

Just a teeny bit judgmental, are we?

fintail

I suspect it can on cars from certain places, like maybe Italy. I'd wager a lot you can burn a Ferrari or Lambo to the ground with that, sometimes they self-combust simply via being exposed to air

If I had a new 100K+ Maserati (I assume moneybags had a Quattroporte and not a plebian Ghibli), I too wouldn't dink around with anything.

roadburner said:

I have picked up so much helpful information in this topic; I never would have thought that changing a fuse could blow up you car or cause it to catch fire.
Lesson learned.

fintail

You'd love the Seattle area. Merging onto an interstate at 38 mph is almost like a local tradition here. Along with braking for curves on interstates, braking for green lights, etc. And once you get on the road, make a beeline for the left lane and sit there.

roadburner said:

I don’t think that the ability to parallel park has any bearing on how good a driver you are. I do think the ability to anticipate what other vehicle operators(“driver” is often too generous a description) are going to do is an essential skill. So is actually realizing when you have made a mistake and what needs to be done to correct it.
My pet peeve is the typical brain-dead moron who takes curves and ramps at 50% of the advisory speed with the brakes applied the entire time.
Another population group that needs to be confined to public transit.

28firefighter

fintail said:

You'd love the Seattle area. Merging onto an interstate at 38 mph is almost like a local tradition here. Along with braking for curves on interstates, braking for green lights, etc. And once you get on the road, make a beeline for the left lane and sit there.

roadburner said:

I don’t think that the ability to parallel park has any bearing on how good a driver you are. I do think the ability to anticipate what other vehicle operators(“driver” is often too generous a description) are going to do is an essential skill. So is actually realizing when you have made a mistake and what needs to be done to correct it.
My pet peeve is the typical brain-dead moron who takes curves and ramps at 50% of the advisory speed with the brakes applied the entire time.
Another population group that needs to be confined to public transit.

Merged onto I-5 yesterday...car immediately in front merged and proceeded to drive 45 in a 60. I do not understand.

graphicguy

@breld asked me to do a compare/contrast between the Stinger GT and the TLX A-Spec since I own both.

Both good cars. Both quite different from each other. Probably a long post, but here goes...

PERFOMANCE....hands down, the Stinger. The turbos spool up quickly and the rush of speed happens "right now" with a shove back into the seat. I think Kia is understating the engine's power. Add to that, the Kia 8-speed, while using a torque converter (vs the dual clutch automatics out there) snaps off quick shifts and is willing to drop down gears smoothly with little provocation. I know some of the engine sounds are piped in. But, it sounds good, too.

TLX is typical Honda/Acura....smooth, rev happy V6. You have to prod it into the upper revs to get it to really go (at 4K RPM, the rush is almost turbo like). But, that's because there's not the low end torque you get with the Stinger TT. The trans, while smooth shifting, really doesn't respond with any urgency when you prod it. It hesitates before making a move down a gear or two, even after you floor it. I keep it in Sport or Sport+ mostly. But, Sport mode isn't aggressive enough, and Sport+ seems to hunt. I understand what Acura was trying to do. They're trying to replicate what a manual feels like. Generally speaking, the execution is lacking, though. I understand the DSG Honda mates to the 4 cyl is better. Not sure why they didn't just match it with the V6, unless there were mating issues with the SH AWD.

SUSPENSION....again, Stinger hands down. It has an adaptable suspension that, given it's handling capabilities, I'm amazed at how it handles bad pavement. Over the smooth stuff, it feels like a luxury car ride. Over bad pavement, you feel something, but the car tracks true and you are in control at all times. There is little body lean felt. And the chassis is as solid as granite. I can take corners at speeds that the TLX would balk at.

The TLX, by comparison, feels...I don't know...floppy? You can upset the steering and rear end if you hit broken pavement. Over smooth pavement, it's as luxurious a ride as anything out there, though. That said, the SH AWD WILL blast you through a corner, almost magically. That said, you have to stay on the gas to get it to that point. Problem there, if you're on the gas through the corner, you have to set up for another corner and it takes a bit for the weight transfer to settle down.

STEERING....Stinger wins again. It's not over/under boosted. Maybe a shade on the light side in town. But, on the road, I know exactly what the front wheels are doing. Start to hustle and the Stinger's steering really shines with quick transitions and good feel.

The TLX's is on the heavy side....a shade artificial. Still, easy to control. Again, you can feel rough shudders through the steering wheel, though. Not a lot...just enough to feel a bit "antsy".

COMFORT....this is where it gets a little tricky. Depending on your size (I'm fairly average), the Stinger sits lower than the TLX. That might be an issue for some. Not for me, but I can see someone my age, or a larger person not wanting to sit low. For me? I have no qualms. The seats in the Stinger are comfortable, but it's because they have nice bolstering. The heated seats are some of the best I've parked my posterior, IN ANY car I've ever ridden in. They are bolstered to my liking, too. They adjust forward, aft, has a power thigh support and power lumbar support, as well as power adjustable bolsters. The leather they are wrapped in are top notch. They call it Nappa Leather, but I don't know the differences between leathers. They are soft to the touch.

The TLX's seats are uber comfy.....Milano Leather (again, don't know the difference between them and the Stinger's Nappa Leather). Plus, as y'all know, I love me some red interiors. They aren't quite as bolstered as the Stinger's, and don't have as many adjustments. But, none of that really matters as they are very comfortable in their own right.

Steering wheels in both are great, leather covered. I like the Stinger's a tad more because it has a flat bottom and is just slightly easier to control.

STEREO.....TLX wins....bigly. The ELS Stereo is the best of any car I've ever been in, regardless of price. I hear the new ELS (as in the RDX) is even better, which is incredible. While the TLX doesn't carry a "big brand" name like B&O, my understanding is it uses Pioneer's D3 Digital amps and their well regarded speakers. The front end comes from Panasonic, which makes some of the best in the biz.

The Stinger's stereo isn't a slouch and probably better than 90% of OEM stereos out there. It's a Harmon Kardon unit (who also makes JBL, Mark Levinson, and many others). Typical H/K, it's bass heavy. But, it plays loud and clear. It's good, just not great like the TLX's.

EQUIPMENT....truthfully, I don't know how much more you can ask for as far as options and features. They're both loaded up. But, it comes down to execution of those features that sets the Stinger above the TLX. There is no "ping-pong" effect for Lane keep on the Stinger. It's radar/lidar cruise is smooth (TLX can be abrupt in both braking and acceleration). I like the two screens on the TLX for infotainment. Control the stereo with one, and the Nav with the other. On the Stinger, the resolution is better, but you have one screen that you can split in two or three different windows. Stinger has 3D view of the entire car, both forward, back and from above. TLX only has a rear camera.

Stinger has better heated and better cooled seats than the TLX. TLX will turn the heated and/or cooled seats on automatically depending on outside temp. The Stinger you have to do that manually.

ANCILIARIES....Stinger's rear window view is small. TLX's A-pillar is thick and tough to see around without craning your neck. Stop/Start on the TLX is abrupt off and on. Don't try to make a 3 point turn with it, either as you'll find yourself with the engine off as you're trying to make a turn going forward. It needs some work. Stinger's stop/start is significantly better and much less perceptible.

MPG....TLX wins, by a significant margin. In town, I get 22-23 MPG. It really shines on the interstate....getting as high as 38 MPG for me. The Stinger is holding to about 20 MPG in town, but 24-25 MPG on the highway. I keep my foot planted in both of them for the most part, though.

MATERIALS AND BUILD....exemplary in both. Leather where it's supposed to be. Soft touch everywhere. The aluminum trim in the Stinger is particularly fetching. Build on both cars is as good as anything I've seen. Both are tight as drums and feel quite solid.

Concluding....for low $40K (what I paid for the TLX A-Spec V6 SH-AWD) or $37K plus change that I paid for the Stinger GT2 AWD, I don't know that you can find a better car.

I knew this going in, but I won't get the service on the Stinger as I do on the TLX. TLX dealership has bent over backwards whenever I called on them. They even give me a car wash and loaner with every oil change.

Kia...I called my sales lady with operational questions. She said she's new and handed me off to service, who has never returned any of the 3 or 4 calls I've made to them. This is part of a large dealer group, too. The principal owns Cadillac and Mercedes dealers, too. Good service should not be foreign to this group. Kia's got some work to do on that front. But, the Stinger's assembled as carefully as anything I've seen, it's materials match up to cars that cost 2x the price.

Slap a Gran Coupe badge, AMG C43 badge or an S5 badge on it where the Kia logo is, up the price $10K, and people would be lauding the Stinger as a wonderful Sport-Luxury car as well as a great value. As it stands, it competes with all of those other German brands.

Them's my thoughts.

graphicguy

Taking the rest of today and tomorrow off, then taking the first week of vacation for 2020 next week.

My neighbor took me to lunch and then to pick up his new Mercedes. Saw some nice cars.

He paid mid $40s for his CLA. I wouldn't trade him even up for either my TLX nor my Stinger. Of course, I didn't tell him that....just that he had a beautiful car. I know we have many Mercedes fans here. But, you will never convince me that Mercedes Tex seats are as good as leather. Nope...not close...not that I've ever seen.

Some of the cars I saw, and liked....

roadburner

I suspect that I’ll prefer the GTS over any non-M BMW as well as any Mercedes without an AMG engine.
It’s refreshing to find an AWD car that isn’t primarily designed to placate the imbeciles who think AWD or FWD is a mandatory requirement for driving on wet pavement.

driver100

cdnpinhead said:

driver100 said:

roadburner said:

You two DO sound made for each other.
As for Maser Boy, it’s his money; if he likes to spend it by going to his dealer, dropping his pants and grabbing his ankles, who am I to criticize him?
I only hope that they send him flowers the next morning- one would think that they would compliment his “beautiful” driving.

Have you met Cdnpinhead....sounds like you two were made for each other...he "likes" everything you say.

Just for grins, I went back a few pages and found sixteen posts by roadburner. I "liked" two of them. Apparently you prefer hyperbole to counting.

Well, the two were replies to me.........there seems to be a pattern.

driver100

fintail said:

I suspect it can on cars from certain places, like maybe Italy. I'd wager a lot you can burn a Ferrari or Lambo to the ground with that, sometimes they self-combust simply via being exposed to air

If I had a new 100K+ Maserati (I assume moneybags had a Quattroporte and not a plebian Ghibli), I too wouldn't dink around with anything.

roadburner said:

I have picked up so much helpful information in this topic; I never would have thought that changing a fuse could blow up you car or cause it to catch fire.
Lesson learned.

Yes, a Quattro and I wouldn't mess around these days....I wouldn't mess with a lowly Ghibli or even with an MB. In fact, I would want the dealer to do it in case I say, put it in the wrong way...and, they might tell me how it burned out in the first place. They aren't always easy to get at or remove too.

False economizing is one of my pet peeves. Someone tries to save a few buck$ but spends more to fix it in the long run. My SIL buys an Amish heater because it is on sale for half price until midnight, only $100 reduced from $200. Check the scam on the net, you can buy a Sunbeam that is every bit as good for $30. False economizing.

driver100

28firefighter said:

fintail said:

You'd love the Seattle area. Merging onto an interstate at 38 mph is almost like a local tradition here. Along with braking for curves on interstates, braking for green lights, etc. And once you get on the road, make a beeline for the left lane and sit there.

roadburner said:

I don’t think that the ability to parallel park has any bearing on how good a driver you are. I do think the ability to anticipate what other vehicle operators(“driver” is often too generous a description) are going to do is an essential skill. So is actually realizing when you have made a mistake and what needs to be done to correct it.
My pet peeve is the typical brain-dead moron who takes curves and ramps at 50% of the advisory speed with the brakes applied the entire time.
Another population group that needs to be confined to public transit.

Merged onto I-5 yesterday...car immediately in front merged and proceeded to drive 45 in a 60. I do not understand.

If you are in the Top 10% you would anticipate he might do that...which you did since you are here to tell us about it. The problem with those drivers is it is not a safe thing for them to do, but, it makes it even harder for you to merge as they have taken up your runway space, making it even harder to merge - as they go on their merry way.

omarman

It's not just the purchase. What about delivery? Amishzon Fortnight delivery = priceless

driver100

omarman...you did it again......I am RFLMAO and almost spilled my coffee.

I'd like to know how your brain works...how did you get that video from my mentioning Amish heaters.

jmonroe

graphicguy said:

@breld asked me to do a compare/contrast between the

The TLX's seats are uber comfy.....Milano Leather (again, don't know the difference between them and the Stinger's Nappa Leather). Plus, as y'all know, I love me some red interiors. They aren't quite as bolstered as the Stinger's, and don't have as many adjustments. But, none of that really matters as they are very comfortable in their own right.

Steering wheels in both are great, leather covered. I like the Stinger's a tad more because it has a flat bottom and is just slightly easier to control.

STEREO.....TLX wins....bigly. The ELS Stereo is the best of any car I've ever been in, regardless of price. I hear the new ELS (as in the RDX) is even better, which is incredible. While the TLX doesn't carry a "big brand" name like B&O, my understanding is it uses Pioneer's D3 Digital amps and their well regarded speakers. The front end comes from Panasonic, which makes some of the best in the biz.

The Stinger's stereo isn't a slouch and probably better than 90% of OEM stereos out there. It's a Harmon Kardon unit (who also makes JBL, Mark Levinson, and many others). Typical H/K, it's bass heavy. But, it plays loud and clear. It's good, just not great like the TLX's.

EQUIPMENT....truthfully, I don't know how much more you can ask for as far as options and features. They're both loaded up. But, it comes down to execution of those features that sets the Stinger above the TLX. There is no "ping-pong" effect for Lane keep on the Stinger. It's radar/lidar cruise is smooth (TLX can be abrupt in both braking and acceleration). I like the two screens on the TLX for infotainment. Control the stereo with one, and the Nav with the other. On the Stinger, the resolution is better, but you have one screen that you can split in two or three different windows. Stinger has 3D view of the entire car, both forward, back and from above. TLX only has a rear camera.

Stinger has better heated and better cooled seats than the TLX. TLX will turn the heated and/or cooled seats on automatically depending on outside temp. The Stinger you have to do that manually.

ANCILIARIES....Stinger's rear window view is small. TLX's A-pillar is thick and tough to see around without craning your neck. Stop/Start on the TLX is abrupt off and on. Don't try to make a 3 point turn with it, either as you'll find yourself with the engine off as you're trying to make a turn going forward. It needs some work. Stinger's stop/start is significantly better and much less perceptible.

MPG....TLX wins, by a significant margin. In town, I get 22-23 MPG. It really shines on the interstate....getting as high as 38 MPG for me. The Stinger is holding to about 20 MPG in town, but 24-25 MPG on the highway. I keep my foot planted in both of them for the most part, though.

MATERIALS AND BUILD....exemplary in both. Leather where it's supposed to be. Soft touch everywhere. The aluminum trim in the Stinger is particularly fetching. Build on both cars is as good as anything I've seen. Both are tight as drums and feel quite solid.

Concluding....for low $40K (what I paid for the TLX A-Spec V6 SH-AWD) or $37K plus change that I paid for the Stinger GT2 AWD, I don't know that you can find a better car.

I knew this going in, but I won't get the service on the Stinger as I do on the TLX. TLX dealership has bent over backwards whenever I called on them. They even give me a car wash and loaner with every oil change.

Kia...I called my sales lady with operational questions. She said she.

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Well, I guess I should send you the LOONG POST MEDAL that Edmunds sent me a while back but yours was a very informative post not ramblings like mine. First chance I get I'll mail it.

Keep up the good work. When can we expect the next update?

jmonroe

qbrozen

driver100 said:

If you are in the Top 10% you would anticipate he might do that...

hey, now, you told me the top 10% ALWAYS KNOWS what the other will do. "Anticipate he MIGHT" is totally different. If that's all it takes, then I'm back in there. :b

jmonroe

driver100 said:

omarman...you did it again......I am RFLMAO and almost spilled my coffee.

I'd like to know how your brain works...how did you get that video from my mentioning Amish heaters.

If he told you everything he knows you'd be almost as smart as him. Nah, not really, but you know what I mean.

jmonroe

andres3

dino001 said:

andres3 said:

I believe it takes GROSS negligence to actually cause a collision, at least 99.99% of the time.

Define gross negligence and show me your math on the probability. I know I hit something couple of times in my early years because I didn’t see everything around me. Those were parking lot collisions with still objects, not a gross negligence at all, just lack of skill back then. These were small losses, in comparison, but regardless, As I’m getting older, I know I may start losing that acuity and skill now, so I would not be as arrogant to say that I would only cause a collision because of gross negligence. Now, rental insurance is relatively small loss, so one can let it go just on those grounds, i.e. small benefit vs. cumulative payment. No need for grandstanding on own superiority, which we all know is beyond reporoach.

Negligence = failure to take proper care in doing something. In this case driving.

Negligence generally consists of five elements, including the following: (1) a duty of care owed by the defendant to the plaintiff; (2) a breach of that duty; (3) an actual causal connection between the defendant's conduct and the resulting harm; (4) proximate cause, which relates to whether the harm was foreseeable; ...

A young driver should take greater care to compensate for the fact they don't have the experience yet to be fully skilled or fully capable of driving perfectly safely.

When you were young, "not seeing non-moving objects" wasn't lack of skill per say, it was lack of awareness. Your eyes didn't improve with age. More likely, you just misestimated the boundaries of your own vehicle. This is what happens to old people as well. They aren't blind!!! You may have diminished eye sight, but you are not blind! IF they are blind, they are grossly negligent for turning the keys in the first place (or pushing the Start button these days).

Most collisions and fatalities do result from negligence because it is known that the main causes of collisions and fatalities are completely preventable and avoidable. This is equivalent to say, the harm that was caused was forseeable, predictable, and inevitable if you drive while doing the following:

1) Distraction/Cell Phones
2) Drunken/Intoxicated
3) Drowsy/Fatigued
4) Failure to Signal
5) Unsafe lane changes or merging
6) Unsafe Turns
7) Failure to take extra duty and care when backing up
8) Failure to properly maintain their car/equipment, and/or inspect it for proper maintenance.
9) Failure to Yield Right of Way

I think you'll find it hard to find anyone that has experience with something that doesn't fall in the above 9 item list.

An honest accident is the following:

1) Lighting strikes you through your open window (though one could argue why is your window open during a thunderstorm...).
2) The hand of god causes something crazy to happen before you (sinkhole, tree falling, falling rock from the mountain top).
3) Incapacitating health emergency that had little to no warning.

We are all human and we all make mistakes. It's okay to own some negligence and take responsibility if one inflicts harm on another. This is a much better option than say, blaming a bee sting.

andres3

driver100 said:

I taught driving for AAA and to high school students...in the car and in the classroom.
IMHO, one of the scariest group of drivers I know of are the one's who think they are one of the best drivers in the world, and who will never be in an accident.
Being over confident is a killer, you have to know the limitations of yourself, the car, physics, and the unknown factors.
A small example is in the number of 4 wheel drive cars that end up in the ditch after the first snowfall. Another is the guy who zooms by in the fog or heavy rain, driving faster than his headlights can see ahead.
I don't want to get into the car as a passenger, with someone who thinks they are the worlds greatest driver....or, we'll say, in the top 5%.
Most people if asked would say they are in the top 20%....well, we all can't be in the top 20%, but if you think you are 30 to 20% you at least will show some caution and admit you aren't perfect.

What about the group that does admit they are in the bottom 20% (which is a rare admittance)?

Are they less dangerous for recognizing they suck at driving? Perhaps, if they say, avoid the freeways. If they merge onto a freeway at 38 MPH as @fintail pointed out Seattle drivers tend to do, I'd say their awareness makes no difference to how dangerous a driver they are to everyone else.

I respect drivers that either admit they are too incompetent or too fearful to get on the freeway. There are many more that need to join them, and clear the Interstate from their impediments.

andres3

driver100 said:

So you are always aware and can detect black ice, you are always on guard for a kid who can run out between parked cars, you are a 100% perfect defensive driver and always know what the other guy could do? You can parallel park perfectly 100% of the time, you know every inch of your car and could back into a parking spot within 1 inch of a wall.......without a backup camera. You are ready for the guy next to you who is also going 80 mph who is going to speed up and wedge his car between you and the guy in front of you.
You have never put a dent or scratch on any of your cars? Or scuffed a rim? Pretty good!

These false equivalencies are the problem with "defensive" drivers, or those that believe that is a panacea.

It's OK to have scratched the edge of your fender once in a blue moon (not OK if you are doing it regularly or occassionally). It is not OK if you are running over pedestrians and or hitting bicyclists. It is okay to scuff a wheel on a curb once or twice per car ownership period, it is not OK to have totalled every car you've ever owned.

See the difference?

andres3

driver100 said:

tjc78 said:

The problem with driving is; your performance can change from day to day.

This is true and I would say a better driver is aware of this. I see it with my tennis guys, they are put on a new med and their game changes - balance is off, reaction time slower, timing off. How does that affect their driving, it has to. A long time ago I had a bad cold, my concentration was off, I knew my reaction time was off and though I drive 99% of the time when we are together I let Mrs D100 drive.

Low sugar could put balance and timing off....a headache, a cold, all kinds of things, to think you are perfect all the time is a bit much.

My position is perfection is not required to avoid collisions. Mere "competence" is sufficient. Avoiding gross negligence is going to work almost every time.

I realize the word "gross" might throw some people off. It is subjective, and subject to interpretation. I have higher standards for drivers than say, the DMV of CA.

fintail

I look at it even simpler: warranty issue = not my issue. I am paying money to drive a car under warranty, when something breaks, in it goes. My local dealer has a loaner fleet and competent shop, it'll get fixed. Fortunately with the 4 new MBs I've driven in the past decade, I've almost zero issues.

Even on the old car, if it seems even a little out of my comfort zone, I will probably just put it on the list for the indy mechanic to look at during the yearly service/inspection. I lack a proper garage setup with tools/ramps etc, and if I dig into it and break something or can't get it back together, that false economy will laugh loudly at me. That's my fear with its recent turn signal issue - I have a suspicion where the fault lives, but there's a big risk breaking things if I dig in. I'll spend an hour or two of labor and have it done right.

driver100 said:

Yes, a Quattro and I wouldn't mess around these days....I wouldn't mess with a lowly Ghibli or even with an MB. In fact, I would want the dealer to do it in case I say, put it in the wrong way...and, they might tell me how it burned out in the first place. They aren't always easy to get at or remove too.

False economizing is one of my pet peeves. Someone tries to save a few buck$ but spends more to fix it in the long run. My SIL buys an Amish heater because it is on sale for half price until midnight, only $100 reduced from $200. Check the scam on the net, you can buy a Sunbeam that is every bit as good for $30. False economizing.

fintail

Slow incompetents skew the stats, I think. They are generally able to be avoided by alert drivers, so they can have a good driving record, but are still generally inept. They still can cause chaos (imagine a line of 10 normals merging with irritation behind that 38 mph snail), and often can be pointed out by numerous instances of scrapes, bumper damage, heavily curbed wheels, etc.

andres3 said:

Are they less dangerous for recognizing they suck at driving? Perhaps, if they say, avoid the freeways. If they merge onto a freeway at 38 MPH as @fintail pointed out Seattle drivers tend to do, I'd say their awareness makes no difference to how dangerous a driver they are to everyone else.

I respect drivers that either admit they are too incompetent or too fearful to get on the freeway. There are many more that need to join them, and clear the Interstate from their impediments.

andres3

Regarding Driving Instructors in the USA. No offense to anyone here, but given the USA has double the fatality rates per mile driven of a Country like Germany, I wouldn't want to put that on my resume if I was an instructor in the USA in years past.

Being directly partially responsible for a disastrous fatality rates year in and year out does fit squarely on law enforcement and driving instructor failings for the United States.

I'd be careful citing "driving instructors," especially those that have practiced in the USA, and/or have already retired from doing it (responsible for the past performance).

It is the equivalent of taking advice from the Chicago Cubs on how to win World Series' consistently year after year.

fintail

Sounds like half of my 405 merges in Bellevue, even if I am out at midnight or 6 am. The ramps here are long, the fintail can easily hit 70 at the end, no reason that Priusrolla can't as well.

28firefighter said:

Merged onto I-5 yesterday...car immediately in front merged and proceeded to drive 45 in a 60. I do not understand.

andres3

fintail said:

Slow incompetents skew the stats, I think. They are generally able to be avoided by alert drivers, so they can have a good driving record, but are still generally inept. They still can cause chaos (imagine a line of 10 normals merging with irritation behind that 38 mph snail), and often can be pointed out by numerous instances of scrapes, bumper damage, heavily curbed wheels, etc.

andres3 said:

Are they less dangerous for recognizing they suck at driving? Perhaps, if they say, avoid the freeways. If they merge onto a freeway at 38 MPH as @fintail pointed out Seattle drivers tend to do, I'd say their awareness makes no difference to how dangerous a driver they are to everyone else.

I respect drivers that either admit they are too incompetent or too fearful to get on the freeway. There are many more that need to join them, and clear the Interstate from their impediments.

Absolutely!!!!!

The Camry that hit me most recently in a parking lot, in my view.

NOT A COINCIDENCE it was a Camry/Toyota.

NOT A Coincidence 3 of their 4 corners had noticeable damage after hitting me (only damaging one of those 4 corners in the process).

Confirmation bias? Maybe, but I'd bet against that. I'd bet big!

imidazol97

fintail said:

... no reason that Priusrolla can't as well.

But accelerating faster will ruin their hypermiling stat.

I recall when my son was in the apartment at OSU and I'd drive over to take something during the day or pick something up. I'd just drive leisurely in the right lane with the trucks at just under 60. I'd look up and there's a Civic or Pious tailgating me. I assumed it was to increase their gas mileage. So I'd start slowing down a click every 1/2 mile or so until they'd pass. If they didn't I'd click back up and note if they stayed right behind still. Irritating. Let them provide their own power instead of drafting.

The merging here is terrible. I don't drive in the right lane at some of the areas where bad merging occurs on our interstate.

Favorite is the guy who merges at 10 under the speed limit. Then you've passed and pulled back into the right lane. Look up and there they are tailgating 'cause they wanna go faster than you're going. They speed up after about 1/2 mile or more.

fintail

I like the A normal sedan enough, it is handsome. To paraphrase a magazine, it is a cool car at 35K, insane at 50K. Germanic option strategy can hurt. New CLA is much better looking than the prior one, less "melted" looking to me.

I assume your friend didn't pay MSRP. All but the most hyped MBs seem to be able to be had for at least 8-10% off sticker, sometimes much more at the right time and model.

AMG is a little overdone now, like ///M and S - nameplate dilution. The performance cred is as hot as ever, but I guess I liked that the cars were rare in the past. I like numerous old ones, but new ones don't get me going as much, maybe as these (and most everything else) lack a hood star these days. I still have a thing for the G-Wagen, but it is getting more difficult to find non-AMG ones with time. If I ever had that kind of spending ability, I'd likely have to special order the car. When it seems all Gs are AMG, it's almost a shark jumping moment.

I've had 4x MB with Tex, 4x with leather. I am indifferent. Leather is nice, but is extra cost on most models you'll find on the lot, and seldom ordered on these models - I suspect doing everything possible to keep leasing attractive. I think a lot of people can't differentiate it from leather, especially people used to the cheaper leather in mass market cars, but compare it to a finer leather, and there's no mistaking what is what. The ease of maintenance is an attraction - wipe it down now and then, and it'll look fine when the car is at the end of its service life.

I'm at around 11 months in this thing now, still feels special when I drive it, you pay for it, but get an amazingly refined machine, and as close to a traditional car as might exist on the market today:

graphicguy said:

Taking the rest of today and tomorrow off, then taking the first week of vacation for 2020 next week.

My neighbor took me to lunch and then to pick up his new Mercedes. Saw some nice cars.

He paid mid $40s for his CLA. I wouldn't trade him even up for either my TLX nor my Stinger. Of course, I didn't tell him that....just that he had a beautiful car. I know we have many Mercedes fans here. But, you will never convince me that Mercedes Tex seats are as good as leather. Nope...not close...not that I've ever seen.

Some of the cars I saw, and liked....

cdnpinhead

driver100 said:

cdnpinhead said:

driver100 said:

roadburner said:

You two DO sound made for each other.
As for Maser Boy, it’s his money; if he likes to spend it by going to his dealer, dropping his pants and grabbing his ankles, who am I to criticize him?
I only hope that they send him flowers the next morning- one would think that they would compliment his “beautiful” driving.

Have you met Cdnpinhead....sounds like you two were made for each other...he "likes" everything you say.

Just for grins, I went back a few pages and found sixteen posts by roadburner. I "liked" two of them. Apparently you prefer hyperbole to counting.

Well, the two were replies to me.........there seems to be a pattern.

Imagine

fintail

There are certain cars I give a wide berth. That's definitely one of them, especially if it has a lot of parking/garage style damage, neglected wheels/missing hubcaps, etc.

andres3 said:

Absolutely!!!!!

The Camry that hit me most recently in a parking lot, in my view.

NOT A COINCIDENCE it was a Camry/Toyota.

NOT A Coincidence 3 of their 4 corners had noticeable damage after hitting me (only damaging one of those 4 corners in the process).

Confirmation bias? Maybe, but I'd bet against that. I'd bet big!

fintail

I suspect hypermilers or more of a thing than we may realize. I can't imagine there's other excuses for being a moving pylon, unless the operator is really that timid - in my anecdotal experience, there are many people out there who think going 60 on a smooth limited access road is terrifying. Maybe it's' a mix of Prius stereotype and scaredy cat. I generally keep to the left or second leftmost lane even if others slow down - more drama around merging than LLCs.

I still recall in driver's ed being instructed to merge at a speed "comparable to other cars on the road". I don't know why this is hard to remember, although in my area with license testing being privatized, who knows what goes on.

imidazol97 said:

But accelerating faster will ruin their hypermiling stat.

I recall when my son was in the apartment at OSU and I'd drive over to take something during the day or pick something up. I'd just drive leisurely in the right lane with the trucks at just under 60. I'd look up and there's a Civic or Pious tailgating me. I assumed it was to increase their gas mileage. So I'd start slowing down a click every 1/2 mile or so until they'd pass. If they didn't I'd click back up and note if they stayed right behind still. Irritating. Let them provide their own power instead of drafting.

The merging here is terrible. I don't drive in the right lane at some of the areas where bad merging occurs on our interstate.

Favorite is the guy who merges at 10 under the speed limit. Then you've passed and pulled back into the right lane. Look up and there they are tailgating 'cause they wanna go faster than you're going. They speed up after about 1/2 mile or more.

ab348

28firefighter said:

Merged onto I-5 yesterday...car immediately in front merged and proceeded to drive 45 in a 60. I do not understand.

Sounds like Nova Scotia. I use a highway here that initially is a divided road with 2 lanes in each direction. At one point there is an entry lane that makes it 3 lanes, followed shortly thereafter by another that makes it 4 lanes, and yet another to make it 5 lanes for a bit, but which quickly turns into a dedicated exit lane. The remaining 4 lanes then split into a pair of highways going to different places. The hijinks you see in that stretch are beyond belief. Some drivers seem frozen in fear while others start changing lanes randomly for reasons known only to them.

driver100

cdnpinhead said:

driver100 said:

cdnpinhead said:

driver100 said:

roadburner said:

You two DO sound made for each other.
As for Maser Boy, it’s his money; if he likes to spend it by going to his dealer, dropping his pants and grabbing his ankles, who am I to criticize him?
I only hope that they send him flowers the next morning- one would think that they would compliment his “beautiful” driving.

Have you met Cdnpinhead....sounds like you two were made for each other...he "likes" everything you say.

Just for grins, I went back a few pages and found sixteen posts by roadburner. I "liked" two of them. Apparently you prefer hyperbole to counting.

Well, the two were replies to me.........there seems to be a pattern.

Imagine

I don't really care, just interesting to see you always pile on no matter what the statement is (2 for 2 in my case) (The statement was my friend is a lousy driver because he probably wouldn't change his own fuse).
I wrote a much longer post about how you should only "like" posts that say something meaningful or worthwhile. But, probably better to let it go.

sda

graphicguy said:

@breld asked me to do a compare/contrast between the Stinger GT and the TLX A-Spec since I own both.

Both good cars. Both quite different from each other. Probably a long post, but here goes...

PERFOMANCE....hands down, the Stinger. The turbos spool up quickly and the rush of speed happens "right now" with a shove back into the seat. I think Kia is understating the engine's power. Add to that, the Kia 8-speed, while using a torque converter (vs the dual clutch automatics out there) snaps off quick shifts and is willing to drop down gears smoothly with little provocation. I know some of the engine sounds are piped in. But, it sounds good, too.

TLX is typical Honda/Acura....smooth, rev happy V6. You have to prod it into the upper revs to get it to really go (at 4K RPM, the rush is almost turbo like). But, that's because there's not the low end torque you get with the Stinger TT. The trans, while smooth shifting, really doesn't respond with any urgency when you prod it. It hesitates before making a move down a gear or two, even after you floor it. I keep it in Sport or Sport+ mostly. But, Sport mode isn't aggressive enough, and Sport+ seems to hunt. I understand what Acura was trying to do. They're trying to replicate what a manual feels like. Generally speaking, the execution is lacking, though. I understand the DSG Honda mates to the 4 cyl is better. Not sure why they didn't just match it with the V6, unless there were mating issues with the SH AWD.

SUSPENSION....again, Stinger hands down. It has an adaptable suspension that, given it's handling capabilities, I'm amazed at how it handles bad pavement. Over the smooth stuff, it feels like a luxury car ride. Over bad pavement, you feel something, but the car tracks true and you are in control at all times. There is little body lean felt. And the chassis is as solid as granite. I can take corners at speeds that the TLX would balk at.

The TLX, by comparison, feels...I don't know...floppy? You can upset the steering and rear end if you hit broken pavement. Over smooth pavement, it's as luxurious a ride as anything out there, though. That said, the SH AWD WILL blast you through a corner, almost magically. That said, you have to stay on the gas to get it to that point. Problem there, if you're on the gas through the corner, you have to set up for another corner and it takes a bit for the weight transfer to settle down.

STEERING....Stinger wins again. It's not over/under boosted. Maybe a shade on the light side in town. But, on the road, I know exactly what the front wheels are doing. Start to hustle and the Stinger's steering really shines with quick transitions and good feel.

The TLX's is on the heavy side....a shade artificial. Still, easy to control. Again, you can feel rough shudders through the steering wheel, though. Not a lot...just enough to feel a bit "antsy".

COMFORT....this is where it gets a little tricky. Depending on your size (I'm fairly average), the Stinger sits lower than the TLX. That might be an issue for some. Not for me, but I can see someone my age, or a larger person not wanting to sit low. For me? I have no qualms. The seats in the Stinger are comfortable, but it's because they have nice bolstering. The heated seats are some of the best I've parked my posterior, IN ANY car I've ever ridden in. They are bolstered to my liking, too. They adjust forward, aft, has a power thigh support and power lumbar support, as well as power adjustable bolsters. The leather they are wrapped in are top notch. They call it Nappa Leather, but I don't know the differences between leathers. They are soft to the touch.

The TLX's seats are uber comfy.....Milano Leather (again, don't know the difference between them and the Stinger's Nappa Leather). Plus, as y'all know, I love me some red interiors. They aren't quite as bolstered as the Stinger's, and don't have as many adjustments. But, none of that really matters as they are very comfortable in their own right.

Steering wheels in both are great, leather covered. I like the Stinger's a tad more because it has a flat bottom and is just slightly easier to control.

STEREO.....TLX wins....bigly. The ELS Stereo is the best of any car I've ever been in, regardless of price. I hear the new ELS (as in the RDX) is even better, which is incredible. While the TLX doesn't carry a "big brand" name like B&O, my understanding is it uses Pioneer's D3 Digital amps and their well regarded speakers. The front end comes from Panasonic, which makes some of the best in the biz.

The Stinger's stereo isn't a slouch and probably better than 90% of OEM stereos out there. It's a Harmon Kardon unit (who also makes JBL, Mark Levinson, and many others). Typical H/K, it's bass heavy. But, it plays loud and clear. It's good, just not great like the TLX's.

EQUIPMENT....truthfully, I don't know how much more you can ask for as far as options and features. They're both loaded up. But, it comes down to execution of those features that sets the Stinger above the TLX. There is no "ping-pong" effect for Lane keep on the Stinger. It's radar/lidar cruise is smooth (TLX can be abrupt in both braking and acceleration). I like the two screens on the TLX for infotainment. Control the stereo with one, and the Nav with the other. On the Stinger, the resolution is better, but you have one screen that you can split in two or three different windows. Stinger has 3D view of the entire car, both forward, back and from above. TLX only has a rear camera.

Stinger has better heated and better cooled seats than the TLX. TLX will turn the heated and/or cooled seats on automatically depending on outside temp. The Stinger you have to do that manually.

ANCILIARIES....Stinger's rear window view is small. TLX's A-pillar is thick and tough to see around without craning your neck. Stop/Start on the TLX is abrupt off and on. Don't try to make a 3 point turn with it, either as you'll find yourself with the engine off as you're trying to make a turn going forward. It needs some work. Stinger's stop/start is significantly better and much less perceptible.

MPG....TLX wins, by a significant margin. In town, I get 22-23 MPG. It really shines on the interstate....getting as high as 38 MPG for me. The Stinger is holding to about 20 MPG in town, but 24-25 MPG on the highway. I keep my foot planted in both of them for the most part, though.

MATERIALS AND BUILD....exemplary in both. Leather where it's supposed to be. Soft touch everywhere. The aluminum trim in the Stinger is particularly fetching. Build on both cars is as good as anything I've seen. Both are tight as drums and feel quite solid.

Concluding....for low $40K (what I paid for the TLX A-Spec V6 SH-AWD) or $37K plus change that I paid for the Stinger GT2 AWD, I don't know that you can find a better car.

I knew this going in, but I won't get the service on the Stinger as I do on the TLX. TLX dealership has bent over backwards whenever I called on them. They even give me a car wash and loaner with every oil change.

Kia...I called my sales lady with operational questions. She said she's new and handed me off to service, who has never returned any of the 3 or 4 calls I've made to them. This is part of a large dealer group, too. The principal owns Cadillac and Mercedes dealers, too. Good service should not be foreign to this group. Kia's got some work to do on that front. But, the Stinger's assembled as carefully as anything I've seen, it's materials match up to cars that cost 2x the

Sounds like the Stinger put the sting on the TLX. Knowing what you do now and if you were currently in the market and could only buy one which would it be?

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

fintail said:

... no reason that Priusrolla can't as well.

But accelerating faster will ruin their hypermiling stat.

I recall when my son was in the apartment at OSU and I'd drive over to take something during the day or pick something up. I'd just drive leisurely in the right lane with the trucks at just under 60. I'd look up and there's a Civic or Pious tailgating me. I assumed it was to increase their gas mileage. So I'd start slowing down a click every 1/2 mile or so until they'd pass. If they didn't I'd click back up and note if they stayed right behind still. Irritating. Let them provide their own power instead of drafting.

The merging here is terrible. I don't drive in the right lane at some of the areas where bad merging occurs on our interstate.

Favorite is the guy who merges at 10 under the speed limit. Then you've passed and pulled back into the right lane. Look up and there they are tailgating 'cause they wanna go faster than you're going. They speed up after about 1/2 mile or more.

People who don’t signal their merges (or anything else) drive me crazy. Today I saw a car coming up the ramp. He could either merge or continue to the off ramp. Which one? Who knows....because he didn’t use his signals!

Sure enough, at the last minute he pulls into my lane without signaling. I must have been psychic because I had braked just in case. Otherwise we would have become acquainted most unpleasantly.

Another peeve is people driving in rain, snow or fog with no lights on. It’s the law when using your wipers, it’s common sense when driving a dark car on a dark road in poor visibility. But one out of three seems to feel that as long as they can see the front of their hood, the world be damned. :@

nyccarguy

@graphicguy

Great comparo write up! Better than a lot of what’s out there written by professional editors. You didn’t mention braking. A very important part of how a car performs. As big of a Honda fan as I am (I’ve voted with my wallet 4 times), one of the areas that I feel they don’t address properly from the factory is braking. How does your TLX compare to the Stinger as far as braking feel & stopping ability for?

andres3

nyccarguy said:

@graphicguy

Great comparo write up! Better than a lot of what’s out there written by professional editors. You didn’t mention braking. A very important part of how a car performs. As big of a Honda fan as I am (I’ve voted with my wallet 4 times), one of the areas that I feel they don’t address properly from the factory is braking. How does your TLX compare to the Stinger as far as braking feel & stopping ability for?

almost any car can brake pretty good once..... but start doing several back to back emergency stops, and you can really find out who the real players are.

andres3

I didn't think it was possible, but based on Kia of El Cajon's GM's stonewalling of taking responsibility for the KEY FOB they obviously lost with my Optima lease return (they balked at the high $350 the finance company - Kia) is asking for, the chance I'll ever buy another Kia product are currently lower than me buying a Chrysler product, so you know how low they've stooped if you know me!!!!

Cheap and dumb dishonest GM if you ask me.

Kia Consumer Affairs got a complaint for the dealership, but they don't have any power, I don't think that'll change the GM's position since he already took the wrong position and decision. Customer is always wrong. We never do anything wrong. They say that their lady hasn't lost a key FOB in 7 years. If anything, that means she was due! Especially considering their paperless system.

Shame, cause I did have some interest in the Stinger.... though not at their asking prices.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

fintail said:

... no reason that Priusrolla can't as well.

But accelerating faster will ruin their hypermiling stat.

I recall when my son was in the apartment at OSU and I'd drive over to take something during the day or pick something up. I'd just drive leisurely in the right lane with the trucks at just under 60. I'd look up and there's a Civic or Pious tailgating me. I assumed it was to increase their gas mileage. So I'd start slowing down a click every 1/2 mile or so until they'd pass. If they didn't I'd click back up and note if they stayed right behind still. Irritating. Let them provide their own power instead of drafting.

The merging here is terrible. I don't drive in the right lane at some of the areas where bad merging occurs on our interstate.

Favorite is the guy who merges at 10 under the speed limit. Then you've passed and pulled back into the right lane. Look up and there they are tailgating 'cause they wanna go faster than you're going. They speed up after about 1/2 mile or more.

People who don’t signal their merges (or anything else) drive me crazy. Today I saw a car coming up the ramp. He could either merge or continue to the off ramp. Which one? Who knows....because he didn’t use his signals!

Sure enough, at the last minute he pulls into my lane without signaling. I must have been psychic because I had braked just in case. Otherwise we would have become acquainted most unpleasantly.
. :@

The other day there was a traffic jam on I-75, where there were 3 lanes going in one direction, plus the on ramp. Seems the latest game is to pull out of the 3 lanes, get on the on ramp, speed ahead to the end of the on ramp, then force your way back onto the highway.....gaining 10 to 12 car lengths.

cdnpinhead

driver100 said:

cdnpinhead said:

driver100 said:

cdnpinhead said:

driver100 said:

roadburner said:

You two DO sound made for each other.
As for Maser Boy, it’s his money; if he likes to spend it by going to his dealer, dropping his pants and grabbing his ankles, who am I to criticize him?
I only hope that they send him flowers the next morning- one would think that they would compliment his “beautiful” driving.

Have you met Cdnpinhead....sounds like you two were made for each other...he "likes" everything you say.

Just for grins, I went back a few pages and found sixteen posts by roadburner. I "liked" two of them. Apparently you prefer hyperbole to counting.

Well, the two were replies to me.........there seems to be a pattern.

Imagine

I don't really care, just interesting to see you always pile on no matter what the statement is (2 for 2 in my case) (The statement was my friend is a lousy driver because he probably wouldn't change his own fuse).
I wrote a much longer post about how you should only "like" posts that say something meaningful or worthwhile. But, probably better to let it go.

As always, you win -- last word and all that. Of course, there'll be a response to this.