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stickguy

The colon prep stuff never bothered me. Just having to get up at 3:00 AM to do it! But I also found barium shakes before a PET scan to be kinda tasty, so I might not be the best example.

28firefighter

I think you're broken, @stickguy.

andres3

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

Here are two examples of people who think they are expert drivers;
1. The guy in the RAM or F-150 pick-up, particularly with the big wheels and raised, and they drive 1 foot behind your rear bumper. They think they have everything under control, and don't realize what could go wrong.
2. Similarly, the race car driver type on the highway who zig zags his way across lanes to get a few cars ahead, risking not only his own life but innocent people around him.
If you ask them, they would tell you they are in the top 5% of drivers.

As to these types claiming they are top 5%, I have no comment. I would say if you don't have an at-fault collision in the last 7 or 8 years and you've driven a minimum of 85K-95K miles in those years, you are in the top 20% for sure.

I have driven for 56 years, an average of 15000 miles a year = 840000 miles and have never been at fault in an accident, does that put me in the top 1%?
I have been in 4 accidents, 2 pretty minor, none my fault.

That's impressive. Keep on keeping on! You are definitely not the cause of my high insurance rates.

driver100

I think hope we covered prep pretty well. This has to be a new topic. Has anyone else tried this liniment? I find it really works, makes muscle pain feel really hot, and it relieves the pain. Expensive but worth it.

oldfarmer50

I believe at least one of us has used Carvana to buy a car. I‘d like a recap on your experience. I was just skimming and found this:

https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1393081

Florida car which probably sat in grandma’s driveway until she passed so no rust. Doesn’t say where the car is located. Will they really deliver it to your door for free regardless? The low mileage is a balance for their higher than everybody else no haggle price.

andres3

Sad to report that my State (California) is leading the charge with regurgitated "junk" science that all these traffic safety "vision zero zero vision" zealouts spout off. It's like deja vu reading their filth.

https://calsta.ca.gov/-/media/calsta-media/documents/calsta-report-of-findings-ab-2363-zero-traffic-fatalities-task-force-a11y.pdf

This report from the "task force" is filled with the usual deceptive practices:

Section 2.1: "While the relationship between speed and crash involvement is
complex, the relationship between speed and injury severity is consistent and direct."

The word complex here could be substituted with "non-existant." Rather than admit the lack of correlation or causation, they use the word "complex." It really isn't complex. It's not rocket science. It either exists or it doesn't!

Here's a biggie:

Section 2.1 again: "For the purposes of crash reporting, “speeding” is used to identify vehicles that are
traveling at speeds which are: 1) unsafe for conditions or 2) exceed the speed limit.
Speeds that are unsafe for conditions are based on basic speed law which is defined as
driving at a speed greater than is reasonable or prudent considering weather, visibility,
traffic, and roadway conditions. Because the definition of speeding includes these two
different conditions, it is unknown to what degree exceeding a posted or statutory speed
limit contributes to the total number of speeding-related crashes.

TRANSLATION: We don't want to know the truth about blaming speeding vs. the driver error of going too fast for conditions, so we combine and lump everything together to remain ignorant and pad the data.

Section 3.4 Exhibit 3.4 : I'd like to have some real-world examples cited of "conditions not readily apparent to the driver." I find that City's that cite that category often cite nothing but easily readily apparent conditions to ANY driver!

Section 4.1: "Most other countries, including Europe and Australia, do not use the 85th percentile speed to
set speed limits. "

Cherry picking!!!! RED FLAGS go up when Australia is randomly chosen as some examples of safety. Why not Iceland, or Asia, or India, or Russia? Also, you would think they'd justify saying this by pointing out the European countries that don't use the 85th percentile that ALSO have better fatality rates per mile driven than the USA.

Section 5.2: " Many countries including the Netherlands, Sweden, and Australia approach setting
speed limits from a different conceptual framework.

Again! Why these 3 countries? Are they the safest driving Countries? I notice Australia is included, but also notice Germany is mysteriously absent. Who's being so selective in what to write about in this report?

In GENERAL when reporting results through the report of regions that have implemented zero vision policies you'll hear tricky word play like "increased safety," "improved safety, reduced speeds driven" and so forth resulted from the policy changes generally reducing speed limits and other Vision Zero revisions. Very little or nothing straight forward regarding results along the lines of REDUCED collision or fatality rates. Lots about successfully lowering speeds driven, very little or nothing about this fact actually providing any measureable benefit whatsoever in any way, shape, or form; you know, just the bread and butter results an objective person would be looking for.

Great , you successfully reduced speeds driven!!!! So did you save the lives you were counting on saving, or not?

Crickets....... for example, look at Section 7.2. Lots of talk of reduced speed, reduction in speeding, and improved safety, but what does that mean? Why can't they state improved fatality rates? Improved (reduced) collision rates? The omission of the specifics is glaring and telling! Mysterious.

"F-S5: There is consistent evidence that increased vehicle speed results in an
increased probability of a fatality given a crash"

This is the old, IF, and ONLY IF, you presume a crash, and ignore all the miles and drivers that don't crash, then you can say increased vehicle speed results in increased probability of a fatality. KEYWORDS are the last 3, given a crash. Why does everyone use the same shenanigans?

Malarkey!

However, I will give credit to this report being better and more forthright about there presumptions, assumptions, and methodology than many others I've seen. At least they were honest, and stated how they were defining "speed/speeding" as combining multiple factors. You can easily tell the IIHS didn't write this report, though unfortunately they were cited at least once. This report is good enough and written well enough we can at least start to have an honest debate about it. Some of teh IIHS filth is undebateable because it is all based on projections of fantasy.

explorerx4

@driver100,
You definitely showed poor situational awareness in one of those accidents.

@oldfarmer50,
The listing shows a $400 transportation fee.
Funny thing is, when I reopened the link to the car, I didn't see it.

andres3

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
You definitely showed poor situational awareness in one of those accidents.

@oldfarmer50,
The listing shows a $400 transportation fee.
Funny thing is, when I reopened the link to the car, I didn't see it.

Is that the garbage truck barreling down on him from behind accident?

stickguy

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
You definitely showed poor situational awareness in one of those accidents.

@oldfarmer50,
The listing shows a $400 transportation fee.
Funny thing is, when I reopened the link to the car, I didn't see it.

that Malibu is purchase pending already. The good deals go quick. That unit is in Texas right now, so $400 to the east coast is pretty good. Shipping is based on where you are located. It shows as $400 to me in NJ.

Farmer, I sold to them and it was very straightforward. I saw a few people buying when I was there and they seemed happy. Based on volume and my experience, I have no concerns about buying from them.

fintail

I think for the most part, the mindset that embraced 2002s and even E30/E36 etc is now either in a real M car, is on a tight leash in an X4 and is pretending, or is just gone.

The lowline Koreans don't seem to sell here. That demographic in my neighborhood likes a CRV or RAV4, or an older Corolla or Camry, or in tonier eras, a prior gen MB or Lexus with garage scrapes.

ab348 said:

I find I now take perverse pleasure in passing BMWs on the expressway or multilane twisty roads these days. Seems most of them are not purchased for whatever sporty/performance characteristics they have, but instead merely for image, as most of them are trundling along like Hyundai Accents.

Speaking of Accents, at least in my local area, they are doubtless the leading model that lets me predict either erratic/dangerous driving or being the slug at the head of a long line holding up traffic. It is simply uncanny around here.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
You definitely showed poor situational awareness in one of those accidents.

@oldfarmer50,
The listing shows a $400 transportation fee.
Funny thing is, when I reopened the link to the car, I didn't see it.

Yeah, I didn’t scroll down far enough. Others on their site do show free shipping. Some get free shipping from distances that Enterprise would charge a couple hundred to deliver.

Looks like delivery is fast too. Tuesday if I ordered today. The only thing I would worry about is the inability to do a real PPI.

Seems to be about a thousand bump for the convenience over what a regular dealer would charge. Not to mention what additional savings you could get from a regular dealer if you haggle.

I wonder if they would let you pay with your credit card?

stickguy

well, you can reject it when it arrives. and they give you a 5 (maybe 7) day return policy, no questions asked. So you can take a flyer on it, then drive it a bit and do the PPI before you decide for sure.

driver100

explorerx4
@driver100,
You definitely showed poor situational awareness in one of those accidents

No, I did what I could, and I couldn't have done it any different if I could do it over again. I came up to an intersection, the green light was getting ready to change, there were cars going to be turning left in front of me, there was a bus stop with people, school age children.......I couldn't make it through the light on yellow, so I came to a gradual stop pumping the brakes....no way to know the truck would try to run the light....and I still would not have gone through the yellow because there was a good chance I would hit a person or car.
The only thing I could have done was let the truck go around me......but, no one could have known the truck driver wouldn't stop for what would be a red light by the time he got there.

Even the head of the accident division for the city said the truck driver should have been able to stop, since I stopped.....the pictures show it clearly.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

I believe at least one of us has used Carvana to buy a car. I‘d like a recap on your experience. I was just skimming and found this:

https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1393081

They probably pay more for cars because they are pretty careful about what they sell. All Carvana cars come with a 7-day Money Back Guarantee. If you decide you don't like the car during those first 7 days, just give us a call to set up a return or exchange. You will be refunded the price you paid for the vehicle, excluding the shipping/delivery fee.
You pay a premium but probably well worth it.

explorerx4

Now you're making stuff up to fit your narrative.

andres3

driver100 said:

explorerx4
@driver100,
You definitely showed poor situational awareness in one of those accidents

No, I did what I could, and I couldn't have done it any different if I could do it over again. I came up to an intersection, the green light was getting ready to change, there were cars going to be turning left in front of me, there was a bus stop with people, school age children.......I couldn't make it through the light on yellow, so I came to a gradual stop pumping the brakes....no way to know the truck would try to run the light....and I still would not have gone through the yellow because there was a good chance I would hit a person or car.
The only thing I could have done was let the truck go around me......but, no one could have known the truck driver wouldn't stop for what would be a red light by the time he got there.

Even the head of the accident division for the city said the truck driver should have been able to stop, since I stopped.....the pictures show it clearly.

Was there an estimate of their speed determined at the moment of impact? Curious about that.

That's a tough one. Were there any adjacent lanes to move into?

andres3

Speaking of the bad Kia Dealership.

I gave them a scathingly bad review on Google. Promptly, the GM responded. Much more prompt than to my other correspondence via phone or email/contact us web forms.

The response was slanderous, as it accused me of slandering them! LOL!

Good thing the truth and honesty cannot be slanderous by definition.

His misleading defense is that the pre-inspection showed one Key FOB. It was like a month before the return date and has no bearing on what happened on the actual return date.

I think we can all agree that if the car was totaled and towed in with zero Key FOB's I wouldn't have been given the credit of the "initial inspection condition" and 1 KEY FOB just because of the pre-inspection record. Therefore, one can only conclude it has no relevance as to what happened many weeks later.

Assuming their lease manager isn't a criminal, it is clear the problem is between the day I returned the two key FOB's (8/31/20), and whenever his "lease manager" did the return receipt paperwork, since he wasn't there that Saturday. I"m guessing due to the Holiday it might have been Tuesday, but who knows, as I was never given a copy of the return receipt. That's 72 hours where anything could have happened.

He did reiterate on his response that I was offered a copy, but he failed to mention that offer was in February 2020, when the car was returned August 31st. I already know it falsely shows 1 key FOB, beginning the mistake.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

I believe at least one of us has used Carvana to buy a car. I‘d like a recap on your experience. I was just skimming and found this:

https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1393081

Florida car which probably sat in grandma’s driveway until she passed so no rust. Doesn’t say where the car is located. Will they really deliver it to your door for free regardless? The low mileage is a balance for their higher than everybody else no haggle price.

I don't think you want it because the Carfax said it was repoed on 1-08-20.

I don't know anything about buying from Carvana but I sold Mrs. j's 2012 Legacy to them last April for $2,251 more than the dealer offered.

jmonroe

tjc78

@andres3
It really sucks about the Fob. I’d be livid as well. At this point the only thing you can probably do is hope they send it to collections and then strike a deal with them for $200 or so and insist it gets removed from your credit report.

It’s most likely at the point now where you can’t do anything more. It is your word against there’s and it simply isn’t enough money to get a lawyer involved.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

explorerx4
@driver100,
You definitely showed poor situational awareness in one of those accidents

No, I did what I could, and I couldn't have done it any different if I could do it over again. I came up to an intersection, the green light was getting ready to change, there were cars going to be turning left in front of me, there was a bus stop with people, school age children.......I couldn't make it through the light on yellow, so I came to a gradual stop pumping the brakes....no way to know the truck would try to run the light....and I still would not have gone through the yellow because there was a good chance I would hit a person or car.
The only thing I could have done was let the truck go around me......but, no one could have known the truck driver wouldn't stop for what would be a red light by the time he got there.

Even the head of the accident division for the city said the truck driver should have been able to stop, since I stopped.....the pictures show it clearly.

Rear ended by a red light running garbage truck? There’s no amount of situational awareness on your part that could have made a difference.

oldfarmer50

andres3 said:

Speaking of the bad Kia Dealership.

I gave them a scathingly bad review on Google. Promptly, the GM responded. Much more prompt than to my other correspondence via phone or email/contact us web forms.

The response was slanderous, as it accused me of slandering them! LOL!

Good thing the truth and honesty cannot be slanderous by definition.

His misleading defense is that the pre-inspection showed one Key FOB. It was like a month before the return date and has no bearing on what happened on the actual return date.

I think we can all agree that if the car was totaled and towed in with zero Key FOB's I wouldn't have been given the credit of the "initial inspection condition" and 1 KEY FOB just because of the pre-inspection record. Therefore, one can only conclude it has no relevance as to what happened many weeks later.

Assuming their lease manager isn't a criminal, it is clear the problem is between the day I returned the two key FOB's (8/31/20), and whenever his "lease manager" did the return receipt paperwork, since he wasn't there that Saturday. I"m guessing due to the Holiday it might have been Tuesday, but who knows, as I was never given a copy of the return receipt. That's 72 hours where anything could have happened.

He did reiterate on his response that I was offered a copy, but he failed to mention that offer was in February 2020, when the car was returned August 31st. I already know it falsely shows 1 key FOB, beginning the mistake.

If your Kia guy is claiming one FOB at return because you didn’t bring both in a month earlier he’s playing games. We’re you told to bring both in on the earlier inspection date?

driver100

explorerx4 said:

Now you're making stuff up to fit your narrative.

Everything I said is 100% accurate.....I am constantly calculating what is going on around me. I had to assume if I slowed down to a stop the truck behind me would have time to react.....but, I couldn't go through a red light, too risky.
What would you have done?

driver100

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

explorerx4
@driver100,
You definitely showed poor situational awareness in one of those accidents

No, I did what I could, and I couldn't have done it any different if I could do it over again. I came up to an intersection, the green light was getting ready to change, there were cars going to be turning left in front of me, there was a bus stop with people, school age children.......I couldn't make it through the light on yellow, so I came to a gradual stop pumping the brakes....no way to know the truck would try to run the light....and I still would not have gone through the yellow because there was a good chance I would hit a person or car.
The only thing I could have done was let the truck go around me......but, no one could have known the truck driver wouldn't stop for what would be a red light by the time he got there.

Even the head of the accident division for the city said the truck driver should have been able to stop, since I stopped.....the pictures show it clearly.

Was there an estimate of their speed determined at the moment of impact? Curious about that.

That's a tough one. Were there any adjacent lanes to move into?

I was going about 40 mph......the last time I saw the truck he was about 5 or 6 car lengths behind. I knew the light was going to change, I picked out my spot of no return where I would go through the light if it changed, I wasn't close, so I pumped the brakes to give the truck time and he would see my lights flashing....when he saw the yellow light he gunned it instead...assuming I would do the same. There was another lane but I wasn't sure what was in it at that point, and I gave the truck every chance to see I was stopping. When he hit us we were sent diagonally across the intersection up onto a lawn......the traffic going the other way had already stopped or we would have been hit again...that shows how much time I had to come to a stop.

I think you have to at some point trust a truck driver is going to stop for a yellow light...you can plan and try to anticipate, but, there comes a time when you have to think if I stop and let him see I am stopping...he will stop too.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

explorerx4
@driver100,
You definitely showed poor situational awareness in one of those accidents

No, I did what I could, and I couldn't have done it any different if I could do it over again. I came up to an intersection, the green light was getting ready to change, there were cars going to be turning left in front of me, there was a bus stop with people, school age children.......I couldn't make it through the light on yellow, so I came to a gradual stop pumping the brakes....no way to know the truck would try to run the light....and I still would not have gone through the yellow because there was a good chance I would hit a person or car.
The only thing I could have done was let the truck go around me......but, no one could have known the truck driver wouldn't stop for what would be a red light by the time he got there.

Even the head of the accident division for the city said the truck driver should have been able to stop, since I stopped.....the pictures show it clearly.

Rear ended by a red light running garbage truck? There’s no amount of situational awareness on your part that could have made a difference.

I have seen big trucks run red lights a lot in Florida, in fact, running red lights is pretty normal here. I have gone through a yellow light that I probably would have stopped for back home, but down here I see cars 10 or 20 car lengths behind me and they go through the yellow...probably red light. The green opposite light doesn't go green for a few seconds which is good, but, because everyone knows that they think they might as well go through. If I stop for an amber light in Florida, and I really try to, I make sure there is no one behind me.

stickguy

I don't worry about the people behind me. I am not going to run a red light because they might want to run it even worse.

andres3

oldfarmer50 said:

andres3 said:

Speaking of the bad Kia Dealership.

I gave them a scathingly bad review on Google. Promptly, the GM responded. Much more prompt than to my other correspondence via phone or email/contact us web forms.

The response was slanderous, as it accused me of slandering them! LOL!

Good thing the truth and honesty cannot be slanderous by definition.

His misleading defense is that the pre-inspection showed one Key FOB. It was like a month before the return date and has no bearing on what happened on the actual return date.

I think we can all agree that if the car was totaled and towed in with zero Key FOB's I wouldn't have been given the credit of the "initial inspection condition" and 1 KEY FOB just because of the pre-inspection record. Therefore, one can only conclude it has no relevance as to what happened many weeks later.

Assuming their lease manager isn't a criminal, it is clear the problem is between the day I returned the two key FOB's (8/31/20), and whenever his "lease manager" did the return receipt paperwork, since he wasn't there that Saturday. I"m guessing due to the Holiday it might have been Tuesday, but who knows, as I was never given a copy of the return receipt. That's 72 hours where anything could have happened.

He did reiterate on his response that I was offered a copy, but he failed to mention that offer was in February 2020, when the car was returned August 31st. I already know it falsely shows 1 key FOB, beginning the mistake.

If your Kia guy is claiming one FOB at return because you didn’t bring both in a month earlier he’s playing games. We’re you told to bring both in on the earlier inspection date?

I wasn't told.... but it's on the fine print somewhere they claim (and I believe them). Apparently it's not just a "condition" inspection, but an equipment inventory inspection as well.

Still, I'm not paying for that oversight, as I wasn't "told/reminded" and the problem was remedied when I brought in two key FOB's 8/31/19.

andres3

stickguy said:

I don't worry about the people behind me. I am not going to run a red light because they might want to run it even worse.

What about a yellow light? Situational awareness would dictate avoid the collision if it is easily and safely avoidable.

andres3

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

explorerx4
@driver100,
You definitely showed poor situational awareness in one of those accidents

No, I did what I could, and I couldn't have done it any different if I could do it over again. I came up to an intersection, the green light was getting ready to change, there were cars going to be turning left in front of me, there was a bus stop with people, school age children.......I couldn't make it through the light on yellow, so I came to a gradual stop pumping the brakes....no way to know the truck would try to run the light....and I still would not have gone through the yellow because there was a good chance I would hit a person or car.
The only thing I could have done was let the truck go around me......but, no one could have known the truck driver wouldn't stop for what would be a red light by the time he got there.

Even the head of the accident division for the city said the truck driver should have been able to stop, since I stopped.....the pictures show it clearly.

Was there an estimate of their speed determined at the moment of impact? Curious about that.

That's a tough one. Were there any adjacent lanes to move into?

I was going about 40 mph......the last time I saw the truck he was about 5 or 6 car lengths behind. I knew the light was going to change, I picked out my spot of no return where I would go through the light if it changed, I wasn't close, so I pumped the brakes to give the truck time and he would see my lights flashing....when he saw the yellow light he gunned it instead...assuming I would do the same. There was another lane but I wasn't sure what was in it at that point, and I gave the truck every chance to see I was stopping. When he hit us we were sent diagonally across the intersection up onto a lawn......the traffic going the other way had already stopped or we would have been hit again...that shows how much time I had to come to a stop.

I think you have to at some point trust a truck driver is going to stop for a yellow light...you can plan and try to anticipate, but, there comes a time when you have to think if I stop and let him see I am stopping...he will stop too.

I agree. I think additional situational awareness COULD have avoided this wreck, HOWEVER, there is no way any blame can be placed on you.

Rear-enders are easy, and I agree with them. The garbage truck driver was grossly negligent. It's not other driver's responsibility to avoid grossly negligent drivers. Some ace drivers can do it (though not always), but the blame is squarely on the gross negligence.

Basic situational awareness is a reasonable responsibility and expectation of any driver, however, EXTREME measures and extreme situational awareness to avoid a collision are not a duty or expectation. If you weren't 100% sure the lane was clear, it is not your job to take that risk. Let the negligent driver cause the wreck, DO NOT involve another innocent driver in their negligence trying to avoid their negligence.

tjc78

Guilty of skimming some of the posts, so if this was mentioned already my apologies..... but what we are forgetting here is that the truck was going fast enough to total a new 60K car. He was obviously not paying attention and didn't start braking fast enough.

When you are driving a big vehicle like that you have to be careful about a "stale" green light. Any car in front of you can stop on that yellow much faster than you.

At work I'd occasionally grab a box truck to pick up something and I always was mindful of someone stopping short in front of me. I increased my following distance on roads with lots of intersections.

roadburner

I worked for the Kentucky Highway Department in the summer during college. I wasn't supposed to operate any equipment but the full time workers let me drive just about anything- graders, rollers, dump trucks, etc. One day I was driving the water truck, and I soon found out that the tank had no baffles; I came to a complete stop, but the water would slosh to the front and move the truck a few inches forward.

stickguy

I have spent a lot of seat time in rental trucks (U Hauls, and the big Ryder Freightliners) and always tried to give a lot of extra room in front and was real careful about lights changing. None of those beasts stopped like a normal car.

and in something as heavy as a trash truck, it does not have to be going all that fast to destroy whatever it plows into. especially a modern car that is designed to crumple on impact.

28firefighter

roadburner said:

I worked for the Kentucky Highway Department in the summer during college. I wasn't supposed to operate any equipment but the full time workers let me drive just about anything- graders, rollers, dump trucks, etc. One day I was driving the water truck, and I soon found out that the tank had no baffles; I came to a complete stop, but the water would slosh to the front and move the truck a few inches forward.

This is a similar experience to driving a fire truck that carriers any amount of water. Not necessarily a tanker but just an engine or a quint with 4-500 gallons. If you’re not prepared for how the truck maneuvers when water moves you’ll be in for a not-so-excellent surprise.

oldfarmer50

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

explorerx4
@driver100,
You definitely showed poor situational awareness in one of those accidents

No, I did what I could, and I couldn't have done it any different if I could do it over again. I came up to an intersection, the green light was getting ready to change, there were cars going to be turning left in front of me, there was a bus stop with people, school age children.......I couldn't make it through the light on yellow, so I came to a gradual stop pumping the brakes....no way to know the truck would try to run the light....and I still would not have gone through the yellow because there was a good chance I would hit a person or car.
The only thing I could have done was let the truck go around me......but, no one could have known the truck driver wouldn't stop for what would be a red light by the time he got there.

Even the head of the accident division for the city said the truck driver should have been able to stop, since I stopped.....the pictures show it clearly.

Was there an estimate of their speed determined at the moment of impact? Curious about that.

That's a tough one. Were there any adjacent lanes to move into?

I was going about 40 mph......the last time I saw the truck he was about 5 or 6 car lengths behind. I knew the light was going to change, I picked out my spot of no return where I would go through the light if it changed, I wasn't close, so I pumped the brakes to give the truck time and he would see my lights flashing....when he saw the yellow light he gunned it instead...assuming I would do the same. There was another lane but I wasn't sure what was in it at that point, and I gave the truck every chance to see I was stopping. When he hit us we were sent diagonally across the intersection up onto a lawn......the traffic going the other way had already stopped or we would have been hit again...that shows how much time I had to come to a stop.

I think you have to at some point trust a truck driver is going to stop for a yellow light...you can plan and try to anticipate, but, there comes a time when you have to think if I stop and let him see I am stopping...he will stop too.

I agree. I think additional situational awareness COULD have avoided this wreck, HOWEVER, there is no way any blame can be placed on you.

Rear-enders are easy, and I agree with them. The garbage truck driver was grossly negligent. It's not other driver's responsibility to avoid grossly negligent drivers. Some ace drivers can do it (though not always), but the blame is squarely on the gross negligence.

Basic situational awareness is a reasonable responsibility and expectation of any driver, however, EXTREME measures and extreme situational awareness to avoid a collision are not a duty or expectation. If you weren't 100% sure the lane was clear, it is not your job to take that risk. Let the negligent driver cause the wreck, DO NOT involve another innocent driver in their negligence trying to avoid their negligence.

Many years ago my bus driver trainer told of an accident she had. A brand new Caddy pulled out in front of her and she t-boned him. Car was totaled. The Caddy driver claimed she could have swerved off the road to avoid the crash but the investigating cop told her that if she had done that and crashed herself she would have been 100% at fault. According to him she was in no way required by the law to take any extraordinary action to avoid the crash since the Caddy driver was violating her right-of-way.

Although driver100 sometimes dresses like Batman he’s under no obligation to drive like him.

driver100

andres3 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

andres3 said:

Speaking of the bad Kia Dealership.

I gave them a scathingly bad review on Google. Promptly, the GM responded. Much more prompt than to my other correspondence via phone or email/contact us web forms.

The response was slanderous, as it accused me of slandering them! LOL!

Good thing the truth and honesty cannot be slanderous by definition.

His misleading defense is that the pre-inspection showed one Key FOB. It was like a month before the return date and has no bearing on what happened on the actual return date.

I think we can all agree that if the car was totaled and towed in with zero Key FOB's I wouldn't have been given the credit of the "initial inspection condition" and 1 KEY FOB just because of the pre-inspection record. Therefore, one can only conclude it has no relevance as to what happened many weeks later.

Assuming their lease manager isn't a criminal, it is clear the problem is between the day I returned the two key FOB's (8/31/20), and whenever his "lease manager" did the return receipt paperwork, since he wasn't there that Saturday. I"m guessing due to the Holiday it might have been Tuesday, but who knows, as I was never given a copy of the return receipt. That's 72 hours where anything could have happened.

He did reiterate on his response that I was offered a copy, but he failed to mention that offer was in February 2020, when the car was returned August 31st. I already know it falsely shows 1 key FOB, beginning the mistake.

If your Kia guy is claiming one FOB at return because you didn’t bring both in a month earlier he’s playing games. We’re you told to bring both in on the earlier inspection date?

I wasn't told.... but it's on the fine print somewhere they claim (and I believe them). Apparently it's not just a "condition" inspection, but an equipment inventory inspection as well.

Still, I'm not paying for that oversight, as I wasn't "told/reminded" and the problem was remedied when I brought in two key FOB's 8/31/19.

When I helped my brother trade in his Hyundai Accent I felt I had to have a shower whenever I dealt with those guys. After promising around $6000 for his trade-in on the phone, then knocking it down to $4000 once we got there. I didn't expect to get the $6000, but, it had to be worth $4800. I would have walked out, but he had no desire to take further action.
Before he said he would give us $4000 right then and there. Once my brother agreed it changed to, since it was April 28th we had to come back on May 1st because he couldn't release the money until the next month...probably had to do with his incentive bonus.
He promised everything would be ready when we arrived on May 1st, nothing was ready, he had to have a check made up. When I said the salesman promised us a ride back he tried to get out of that...finally lined up a greenie salesman to take us back...the guy thought he was in Le Mans.
I get the feeling Hyundai and KIA dealers are probably similar.
Who would think to bring in 2 key FOBS for the inspection. If I understand what happened correctly, the KIA guy is saying you only brought in one FOB, he should have written that down at the time.....with your signature.

explorerx4

Bad driver, good roof.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/peopleandplaces/car-falls-from-third-level-of-los-angeles-parking-structure/vi-BB10fYB0

jmonroe

explorerx4 said:

Bad driver, good roof.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/peopleandplaces/car-falls-from-third-level-of-los-angeles-parking-structure/vi-BB10fYB0

Well, with that driver, it was either that or plowing into a Starbucks.

jmonroe

driver100

explorerx4 said:

Bad driver, good roof.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/peopleandplaces/car-falls-from-third-level-of-los-angeles-parking-structure/vi-BB10fYB0

So, explorer, lets say you were driving the Nissan that was under the BMW that fell 3 stories from the parking garage......what evasive action would you have taken?

driver100

Just wanted to say, there are some very insightful comments about my accident with the large waste truck:

stickguy
I don't worry about the people behind me. I am not going to run a red light because they might want to run it even worse.

oldfarmer50 Rear ended by a red light running garbage truck? There’s no amount of situational awareness on your part that could have made a difference.

Such simple sentences but they say a lot.....I like that kind of insight and wish I could say so much with so little.

Do you remember when my S(son)IL broke into the house and took the car, then he made up some story about why he had to do it. I told him I didn't believe his stupid story or a lot of his other stories and excuses.

SIL said I had "Delusional Disorder". I am pretty sure I don't, but how do you reply to that, or argue it? A friend who has similar insight and words of wisdom told me, "If it had a strong possibility of being true it is not delusional". His story made no logical sense...and in one sentence I could shut him down! Beautiful

explorerx4

@drover100,
If I was in the Nissan, I would have called 911, so you wouldn't hang upside down so long.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

@drover100,
If I was in the Nissan, I would have called 911, so you wouldn't hang upside down so long.

lol....but, you should have swerved to avoid me if you were truly a good defensive driver.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

Bad driver, good roof.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/peopleandplaces/car-falls-from-third-level-of-los-angeles-parking-structure/vi-BB10fYB0

I saw that on the news and thought the same thing.

oldfarmer50

“ SIL said I had "Delusional Disorder". I am pretty sure I don't”

As long as the voices in your head agree with you, you’re ok.🗣😳

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

“ SIL said I had "Delusional Disorder". I am pretty sure I don't”

As long as the voices in your head agree with you, you’re ok.🗣😳

At least I never really feel lonely

omarman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM-IEMlJyak

This is the first track I heard from Ian Hunter's album "You're Never Alone with a Schizophrenic" from 1979.

benjaminh

The song What Do You Want From Life from the debut album of The Tubes, released in 1975. Starting at 3 minutes in it lists the cars you might want, including a Mustang, a Montego, a Mercury Monclair, a Mark IV, a Mercedes, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry0l4oIk7Ho

Well, you can't have that, but if you're an American citizen you are entitled to:
a heated kidney shaped pool,
a microwave oven--don't watch the food cook,
a Dyna-Gym--I'll personally demonstrate it in the privacy of your own home,
a kingsize Titanic unsinkable Molly Brown waterbed with polybendum,
a foolproof plan and an airtight alibi,
real simulated Indian jewelry,
a Gucci shoetree,
a year's supply of antibiotics,
a personally autographed picture of Randy Mantooth
and Bob Dylan's new unlisted phone number,
a beautifully restored 3rd Reich swizzle stick,
Rosemary's baby,
a new Matador,
a new mastadon,
a Maverick,
a Mustang,
a Montego,
a Mercury Montclair,
a Mark IV,
a Meteor,
a Mercedes,
an MG,
or a Malibu,
a Mort Moriarty,
a Maserati,
a Mac truck,
a Mazda,
a new Monza,
or a moped,
a Winnebago—Hell, a herd of Winnebago's—we're giving 'em away!!

omarman

or how about a McCulloch chainsaw?

QFM 96 used to actually play that on the radio and I always liked it when they listed all the cars but specifically voiced a "NEW" Monza. Because my friend had just bought a new Monza.

I told him that song held a special message for him like Beatles music did for some others. When my friend asked what his special message was I told him that I had no idea. Because I didn't have a new Monza.

Good times. Talk To Ya Later

explorerx4

@drvier100,
If I was in one of those Nissan's, I would have been a passenger, so out of my control.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

@drvier100,
If I was in one of those Nissan's, I would have been a passenger, so out of my control.

Wrong answer explorer! You should be looking overhead, and when you see the BMW falling from the sky, you reach over and grab the wheel and swerve to the left or right depending on which side was clear as you defensively picked your safe spots while a passenger.

explorerx4

@driver100,
I wouldn't have been anywhere near a mall either.

driver100

explorerx4 said:

@driver100,
I wouldn't have been anywhere near a mall either.

explorerx4, what if the person you were driving with had to go to the mall first?