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andres3

oldfarmer50 said:

andres3 said:

dino001 said:

I finally realized why this thing needs to be treated this way. It's two factors:
1. About 10 percent of people require hospitalization, out of which many require respirators.
2. Virus is much more contagious than flu or cold.

When you combined these two, wide spread would overwhelm best healthcare system turning hospitals into battleground medical facilities with doctors making decisions who gets the respirator and lives, who doesn't. Most people would live through it, of course, but the elderly population would be really vulnerable. I think it's worth to bite an economic bullet and go in a short recession to avoid this scenario.

So the 1.5 trillion dollar Wall Street bailout by the "Fed" and the Farm bailouts in the tens of billions continue.

I'd like to see a bailout where I end up with a free Corvette.

I must have misplaced my farm bailout check. I’ll examine the mailbox extra good tomorrow.

You didn't make the 1% creme of the crop cut. Only the 1% get handouts and welfare.

andres3

oldfarmer50 said:

benjaminh said:

Two charts from a piece in today's New York Times. There are different charts in this article based on different scenarios.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/13/opinion/coronavirus-trump-response.html

I think those death projections are wishful thinking on the part of the NYT.

I did read a biased article in the NYT about how Germany should vote to put speed limits on the Autobahn, and they are like Americans clinging to the 2nd Amendment in regards to having no speed limits.

Then they said something to the effect of: 70% of the Autobahn is limitless, 30% is limited, and that the safety is clear, because the limited sections have 26% lower fatalities!!!

Little do they know that anyone that can do a little math would know that they just made a very compelling and powerful argument for no speed limits. As 70/30 would indicate that the limited sections should be 57% lower in fatalities, assuming they were EQUALLY safe. Since their own data and argument stated it was only 26% lower, it is clear which method is working to save lives better!

Of course, this doesn't take into account traffic and miles driven, but neither did their evidence or poorly written opinion piece, so I'm only using their own figures against them. Strange how they used word and number play to try and convey a conclusion the opposite of what the figures and data show to be true.

pensfan83

Has there been a discussion about home office chairs recently? No? Great!!!

Using them daily now our current home office chairs are not all that comfortable. Any recommendations for replacement?

28firefighter

I invested in a used Herman Miller Aeron. Brand new runs over $1000, but I was able to find one used from a startup going under for about $300. Those big puffy exec chairs are actually awful for regular use.

qbrozen

may I suggest a gaming chair? They can be had for $80-$120 and are very comfy. We now have 2 of them. Even comes with lumbar and head pillows.

Although we didn't wind up with this one, I was pushing for this one that looks like a racing seat.
https://www.amazon.com/DESINO-Ergonomic-Computer-Headrest-Adjustable/dp/B07WVCWJ22/ref=sr_1_10?keywords=gaming+chair&qid=1584562013&sr=8-10

suydam

venture said:

I went to the grocery store early this morning. Not many people there. Staff was stocking shelves like crazy.

Still no eggs.

Our Farmers Market had plenty of eggs. Perhaps there’s a local co-op you can call?

suydam

pensfan83 said:

Has there been a discussion about home office chairs recently? No? Great!!!

Using them daily now our current home office chairs are not all that comfortable. Any recommendations for replacement?

We actually got a very nice one at Costco. Did you check there? Staples also has pretty good ones.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer.....looks like a great car, wonder what one of those would cost to rent for a day? You should be paying them to drive it!

I thought it was about $1000 a day but an Enterprise office out in AZ only charges $400. Off season rate maybe? I think I may have been driving the only one in the Northeast. None of the local offices has any available.

I wonder how it will handle in the snow?

stickguy

I always wanted one of those recaros that were on wheels for a desk chair.

cdnpinhead

My wife was a trooper and went to one of the local stores that are promoting a specific time that geezers can come to the store without having to deal with the "others." She showed up at 5 am (you read that right -- the window was 5 - 6 am on Wednesdays). It was a fiasco, so she figured that if she had to spend an hour so in line (closely packed, BTW -- geezers don't want to hear about a six-foot safe space), she may as well go to a conventional store. She did, and observed lots of empty shelves, but was able to find most of what she wanted, but no frozen french fries.

Well, in general I'd rather be whipped with wet ropes that go to a grocery store with which I'm not familiar, but I took one for the team. I like to go out near noon and pick up something from a fast food place (Arby's is the current favourite), so went to a couple of stores on the way back. These brands may mean nothing to those of you on the other side of the country, but Fry's didn't have what my wife needed; I went to Albertson's, which also didn't have what I was looking for, but the shelves were generally pretty well filled.

We have one of the Wamart grocery stores nearby, but I've been carefully avoiding anything to do with Walmart for many years, given the effect they've had on local stores in rural areas. That said, this store was very well stocked, and I GOT THE DAMN FRIES. I may need to re-evaluate my opinion of Walmart. A strong supply chain is a good thing, and theirs appears to be superior.

fintail

My local WM Neighborhood Market also appeared to be OK when I visited a few days ago - paper goods were barren and pasta/cereal might have been wiped out, but looked normal otherwise. A lot of locals also turn up their nose at the brand, so it wasn't packed. I'm not in love with the company either, but it's the only place around here that seems to reliably stock canned mandarin oranges with no added sugar.

For all the bailout talk, I'm skeptical how much it will help a lot of these people who are going to be in trouble fast. Something being suggested elsewhere, a month or two mortgage/rent moratorium might help a lot more in the pocketbook and psyche. Emotion is a big part of economics.

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

abacomike said:

I cannot remember the last time oil was at $25.00 a barrel. PUG at my Costco is at $2.45 a gallon as of this morning. They expect a gallon of PUG could drop below $2.00 a gallon in the next several weeks. Unbelievable!

I saw RUG for $2.19 in Vergennes VT yesterday. Coming down in NY but a lot slower.

RUG is $2.19 here also, been dropping regularly.

Posted from the Snakeweasel bunker where the apocalypse is all fun and games until the zombies show up.

Cheer up. Went to Walmart and they had TOILET PAPER! The crisis is over. Actually they had everything milk, bread etc. although the canned goods shelves were still a little scarce and people were still hauling the TP out 50 rolls at a time.

Michaell

Having been WFH for over a decade, this is something I have some experience with. I spend 8-12 hours a day in them.

Have tried the following:

Executive chairs with faux leather padding on the cushions and armrests - if they are too tall for the desk, the padding on the arms will get ripped.

Bungee cord chairs from The Container Store - not too bad initially, but not good for longer periods. Compact size, however.

I currently have a "big boys" chair my wife picked up for me, and have been using for the last 3 or 4 years. The seat cushion is pretty much worn out, now, but the chair itself has held up pretty well. It does have a mesh back cushion, but I don't recline in it that much, to be honest.

I'd spend the money to get something sturdy and comfortable. Also, invest in a mat, to save the flooring (I have carpet in my office), and to promote ease of movement.

Michaell

A quick photo of my current home office set up. The laptop for the big monitor is on a docking station under the monitor stand, with a BT mouse and keyboard. The laptop on the right is my personal one, which I use for Edmunds work.

abacomike

pensfan83 said:

Has there been a discussion about home office chairs recently? No? Great!!!

Using them daily now our current home office chairs are not all that comfortable. Any recommendations for replacement?

Massage chair with vibrating thighs/derrière and lumbar support. Better yet, buy an S450 MB and remove the front seats and install legs and wheels. That should do the trick!😛

abacomike

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer.....looks like a great car, wonder what one of those would cost to rent for a day? You should be paying them to drive it!

I thought it was about $1000 a day but an Enterprise office out in AZ only charges $400. Off season rate maybe? I think I may have been driving the only one in the Northeast. None of the local offices has any available.

I wonder how it will handle in the snow?

Get the 4MATIC AWD version.

venture

Michaell said:

A quick photo of my current home office set up. The laptop for the big monitor is on a docking station under the monitor stand, with a BT mouse and keyboard. The laptop on the right is my personal one, which I use for Edmunds work.

How long did it take to get all the stuff off your desk before you took that picture?

Michaell

venture said:

Michaell said:

A quick photo of my current home office set up. The laptop for the big monitor is on a docking station under the monitor stand, with a BT mouse and keyboard. The laptop on the right is my personal one, which I use for Edmunds work.

How long did it take to get all the stuff off your desk before you took that picture?

What? That's what it looks like, for the most part.

venture

suydam said:

venture said:

I went to the grocery store early this morning. Not many people there. Staff was stocking shelves like crazy.

Still no eggs.

Our Farmers Market had plenty of eggs. Perhaps there’s a local co-op you can call?

My wife eats a hard boiled egg every day. Soon we will be out. I may try that if no luck in a day or two. Good idea.

oldfarmer50

“Hey guys! They got toilet paper in aisle 5!”

https://youtu.be/22JgHBb-0dg

andres3

abacomike said:

I spoke to my brother this morning and he gave me information that literally stunned me. His oldest son (my nephew) is chief of cardiology at a group of 2 hospitals in North Carolina. He told my brother that this corona virus could conceivably cause the death of nearly 2 million people here in the US - mostly elderly people with existing health issues - like me. He told my brother to stay at home and order food for delivery only.

So, I am staying home and not going to the mall for my daily walking with my friends. This is a scary situation!

I think you are still more likely to be killed by an errant Toyota driver than the virus, but I could be wrong. It also depends how many miles you are driving per year.

roadburner

Our office is now closed to the public. No access to our building without a key. The few dockets I do cover take twice as long because of the obsolete technology in the courtroom powering the video link to the detention center. We may yet be ordered to shut down completely but until we do I’m the only attorney on deck.

stickguy

Michael, that looks similar to my desk chair. I find it pretty comfortable still. Got it as my Xmas present a few years ago. Went to an office supply store and picked one out. Not sure the brand, but while it was not cheap, was not one of the real high dollar ones.

Michaell

stickguy said:

Michael, that looks similar to my desk chair. I find it pretty comfortable still. Got it as my Xmas present a few years ago. Went to an office supply store and picked one out. Not sure the brand, but while it was not cheap, was not one of the real high dollar ones.

I think my wife got mine from Amazon - I remember having to assemble it when it arrived.

The bottom cushion has pretty much worn out - I'm not ready for a new chair yet, so I may simply drop a pad onto it to plump it up.

jmonroe

Michaell said:

venture said:

Michaell said:

A quick photo of my current home office set up. The laptop for the big monitor is on a docking station under the monitor stand, with a BT mouse and keyboard. The laptop on the right is my personal one, which I use for Edmunds work.

How long did it take to get all the stuff off your desk before you took that picture?

What? That's what it looks like, for the most part.

Looks like another guy that doesn't get anything done when he WFH.

jmonroe

stickguy

it's funny. Both my kids got sent home (thankfully they have jobs that they can do remotely). day 3, and they are both stir crazy and bored. gonna be a fun next 2-3 weeks. At least only our daughter is here driving us nuts. Worse for my son, though he does have a roommate for now.

He has poor timing though, currently under contract on a house, early in the process and supposed to close 5/18. Hopefully things settle down by then (and nothing goes haywire work wise) so it can happen as planned.

daughter has a lease signed on an apartment for 5/1. Better hope that company doesn't do anything rash either.

driver100

Michaell said:

venture said:

Michaell said:

A quick photo of my current home office set up. The laptop for the big monitor is on a docking station under the monitor stand, with a BT mouse and keyboard. The laptop on the right is my personal one, which I use for Edmunds work.

How long did it take to get all the stuff off your desk before you took that picture?

What? That's what it looks like, for the most part.

I always wondered...does a neat desk mean you do lots of work and are well organized, or does it mean you don't do much work.
I remember when the execs in the company used to have a desk and an ash tray sitting there, and they would spend 20% of their day, opening a cigarette package, finding a cigarette, having a ritual of lighting it, leaning back and watching the smoke rise for about 15 minutes a day. I always thought smokers should get a 20% deduction off their pay.

The main guy I am thinking of spent most of his time thinking up forms we had to fill out, and we always had to return one copy to him...and his name was prominently displayed on the form....mainly so it would be more trouble to get rid of him.

Michaell

driver100 said:

Michaell said:

venture said:

Michaell said:

A quick photo of my current home office set up. The laptop for the big monitor is on a docking station under the monitor stand, with a BT mouse and keyboard. The laptop on the right is my personal one, which I use for Edmunds work.

How long did it take to get all the stuff off your desk before you took that picture?

What? That's what it looks like, for the most part.

I always wondered...does a neat desk mean you do lots of work and are well organized, or does it mean you don't do much work.
I remember when the execs in the company used to have a desk and an ash tray sitting there, and they would spend 20% of their day, opening a cigarette package, finding a cigarette, having a ritual of lighting it, leaning back and watching the smoke rise for about 15 minutes a day. I always thought smokers should get a 20% deduction off their pay.

The main guy I am thinking of spent most of his time thinking up forms we had to fill out, and we always had to return one copy to him...and his name was prominently displayed on the form....mainly so it would be more trouble to get rid of him.

Do you think my desk is clean?

I do most of my work on the computer, and use the notebooks on the left for notes during phone calls and such.

graphicguy

Again, company hasn’t said anything about my position, but did say I had to cut $xxxxx from my payroll budget. That means one of my people have to be involuntarily laid off by June 1. My boss said I shouldn’t worry about my position as it’s solid (that is, until it isn’t).

I turn 62 in June. I’m looking very seriously at packing it in, given the craziness that’s going on today. Life’s too short. Meeting with my financial guy and banker lady tomorrow to put all the pieces of the puzzle together. Health insurance is a big unknown at this juncture, though. Guess I could wait until the election to see how the insurance thing goes.

If all that happens, the house goes up for sale. I have to decide on a place to live, either here or elsewhere. Then, there’s the “purge”....

Much to think about.

imidazol97

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driver100 said:

I always wondered...does a neat desk mean you do lots of work and are well organized, or does it mean you don't do much work.

In undergraduate, I was student assistant to a German professor in the language department. He had an oversized wooden desk in his working office. He had another desk in other corner of main offices as Dept. Assistant Chair. He'd tell me to go in about the middle, or up two inches, or down so far, in one of 10-inch tall stacks of papers and old tests. From memory he'd tell me to take a certain section of questions from one test, add a certain section of questions from another test on page two, and so on. I'd type up a new test for the students on a German typewriter. His desk was chaos to others, but in his mind he knew everything about it.

Clean desk means not much.

driver100

I had a theory about neat and messy desks, so I checked it out. From what I can tell, one doesn't necessarily mean someone is a better worker than the other, but, a lot of talented and hard workers do have a messy desk.
Albert Einstein's desk;



Albert Einstein famously pointed out that "If a cluttered desk is a sign of a cluttered mind, of what, then, is an empty desk a sign?" Thomas Edison, who had a famously messy desk, must have agreed. And Steve Jobs.

So if your work area is usually a mess, it's time to stop apologizing to the neat-freaks and start feeling good about our ability to prioritize. While our cluttered desks may not prove we're brilliant, they do show that we might be geniuses
https://www.inc.com/geoffrey-james/a-messy-desk-is-a-sign-of-genius-according-to-scie.html

tjc78

My office at work was very clean and organized with very little paper. I used to get lots of smarta$$ comments about how clean it was.

Yet... I was the first one to be able to find something. Why? I scanned in my notes, and important papers. I saved it all on network drives so it was accessible to anyone who knew where to find it.

It worked well for me. I still had to have large prints of stores and such, but they were either hanging neatly on my magnetic white board or folded neatly on my book shelf.

In today's world there just isn't a need for lots of paper.

bwia

Not quite as bad as the Flu pandemic of 1918 but Bostonians are behaving as such as this 4.5 minute aerial drone video suggests. Scary! https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/18/nation/city-emptied-by-coronavirus/

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

jmonroe said:

tjc78 said:

Really sucks!!! Hoping for a painless process to get fixed. The beauty of it being a lease is you aren’t on the hook for DV.

I've heard that about leasing. Given that there has to be the same percentage of lease cars having accidents as the typical purchased cars, I'm surprised that lease contracts haven't been changed to account for this.

jmonroe

Because the banks and insurance are in bed together. They've obviously made a calculation that it is better for them to ignore the world is spherical, or that DV exists, rather than to acknowledge it.

Georgia is the only State out of 50 that I know of that automatically acknowledges, and even further, puts 1st party DV claims on the market (you can buy insurance for it).

What a Proggressive State! Who'd of thunk?

The issue with diminished value is that it is an unrealized loss that cannot be truly determined and will change due to multiple variables. A buyer may consider the diminished value to be more or less than the "expert" who estimates the loss. The longer you keep the car the less loss due to diminished value you will incur. Het into another accident how much of the new diminished value is allocated to each accident.

Case in point, I got into an accident many years ago that was 100% the other drivers fault and I definitely had a loss in value due to the accident. Now it's 6 or 7 years and maybe 80k miles or so later and I am pretty close to having fully depreciated the car. Currently the value of the car is likely less than the loss in diminished value at the time of the accident and if I dispose of the car now I most likely would not realize any loss due to diminished value from that accident.

Doesn't seem like much of an issue to me. If you insist the loss be realized, I'm sure consumers would be happy to sell the car to the Insurance company in order to get the DV check.

The problem is the loss is realized immediately. You lose the option to sell your asset IMMEDIATELY for the price it was worth pre-accident. Not only that, but it takes around 60 days to repair moderate damage and you can't really sell your asset at even its diminished value for those 60 days, even if you wanted to.

If you want to keep the car forever, then I suppose you could sign to waive the DV claim.

It is an issue as you haven't realized the loss until you dispose of the asset and until then any perceived loss is just an estimate and bound to change. Using current events to describe this, I have lost a lot of value in my investments recently, that is an unrealized loss. If i sell my investments now i will realize that loss however if I sell them later that realized loss will be different, if i keep the investments for a few more years i may not even incur a loss and in fact realize a profit.

Again you have not realized a loss and any loss you incur when you sell your car, if any, will change depending on any number of variables.

The issue would be if you get $2,500 in DV and sell the car a year later and realize a $1,000 actual loss due to the accident are you going to return the excess $1,500?

ab348

My local (online) newspaper is all virus stories. While somewhat irritating in that it just stokes the FUD fires among the public, on the good side it has totally wiped out the equally depressing stories headlined "Markets Crash"/ "Recession or Depression?", etc. from the news.

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

benjaminh said:

Two charts from a piece in today's New York Times. There are different charts in this article based on different scenarios.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/13/opinion/coronavirus-trump-response.html

I think those death projections are wishful thinking on the part of the NYT.

I did read a biased article in the NYT about how Germany should vote to put speed limits on the Autobahn, and they are like Americans clinging to the 2nd Amendment in regards to having no speed limits.

Then they said something to the effect of: 70% of the Autobahn is limitless, 30% is limited, and that the safety is clear, because the limited sections have 26% lower fatalities!!!

Little do they know that anyone that can do a little math would know that they just made a very compelling and powerful argument for no speed limits. As 70/30 would indicate that the limited sections should be 57% lower in fatalities, assuming they were EQUALLY safe. Since their own data and argument stated it was only 26% lower, it is clear which method is working to save lives better!

Of course, this doesn't take into account traffic and miles driven, but neither did their evidence or poorly written opinion piece, so I'm only using their own figures against them. Strange how they used word and number play to try and convey a conclusion the opposite of what the figures and data show to be true.

The problem with your post is that the limited sections don't have 26% lower fatalities, they have a 26% lower fatality rate. Big difference there. That means that for an equal number of miles driven there will be fewer fatalities on the limited sections then on the unlimited sections. Completely the opposite of your conclusion.

driver100

bwia said:

Not quite as bad as the Flu pandemic of 1918 but Bostonians are behaving as such as this 4.5 minute aerial drone video suggests. Scary! https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/18/nation/city-emptied-by-coronavirus/

It is probably a good thing, if people follow the rules. Yes, this could blow over, but, OTOH, what is happening in China and Italy, Spain etc could happen here. This one is different from the regular flu, you can't tell who has it, it spreads very easily, and you don't know who will be affected.

No matter what, this is affecting workers, students, health care workers, business owners and investors in a big way, and everyone to some degree. All this isolating could be for nothing, or it may save some of us, and it may make us more prepared for the next even worse epidemic.

Traffic around here is reduced by about 60 to 70%...people aren't going anywhere.

snakeweasel

Just a quick warning, the Government has announced that they will be sending funds to individuals in a month or so, the details are not finalized as of yet. They are expecting a rise in scammers trying to take advantage of people with this government payout. Please remember this and pass it around, no one from the government will call you and ask for any personal information, if anyone else contacts you offering help in claiming this government payment it's a scam. In any case never give out private information.

Keep safe out there.

tjc78

@snakeweasel
Great advice.

abacomike

If I wanted to go somewhere just to get out of the house for an hour or two, there is nowhere to go! All shopping malls are closed; all movie theaters are closed; all flea markets are closed; restaurants have delivery or pick-up only; beaches are all closed, etc., etc.!

If I wanted to buy a car right now, I could but my lease has too many months left to make it a good deal - June/July is the earliest!

If I wanted to buy a house, I could - but I don't want to buy a house.

I have to go to the bank tomorrow morning to close a CD and put the proceeds into my checking account so I will try to pick up a few food items at Walmart after the bank visit.

I sure hope this doesn't last too long - I could go crazy after a few months.

abacomike

I was reading that two malaria drugs, Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, have been successful in treating a small number of people in France (25-30) who have tested positive for the covid19 virus. I also read that POTUS may be considering authorizing its use under his emergency powers if the corona virus panel, headed by Pence, recommends it to POTUS.

This could shorten this mess we are in by months since there would be a treatment available for those who get the virus. I would think that enough doses would have to be manufactured quickly. Let's hope the drugs work out.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

I had a theory about neat and messy desks, so I checked it out. From what I can tell, one doesn't necessarily mean someone is a better worker than the other, but, a lot of talented and hard workers do have a messy desk.
Albert Einstein's desk;



Albert Einstein famously pointed out that "If a cluttered desk is a sign of a cluttered mind, of what, then, is an empty desk a sign?" Thomas Edison, who had a famously messy desk, must have agreed. And Steve Jobs.

So if your work area is usually a mess, it's time to stop apologizing to the neat-freaks and start feeling good about our ability to prioritize. While our cluttered desks may not prove we're brilliant, they do show that we might be geniuses
https://www.inc.com/geoffrey-james/a-messy-desk-is-a-sign-of-genius-according-to-scie.html

Unfortunately, my desk was always somewhere in the middle but sometimes it was a total mess. But that didn't mean I didn't know anything. Mrs. j has always said I am a know it all.

jmonroe

28firefighter

Yep - the name brand drug that many people are already on is called Plaquenil. It is used both as an anti-malaria drug in higher doses as well as a drug for fighting Rheumatoid Arthritis in lower doses. There are some drug interaction risks and a long-term use risk associated with blindness.

Initial studies have been very promising - reducing viral load, reducing time of infection, slowing progression of symptoms. I believe the study was giving a 600 mg dose daily for 10 days, and it reduced the average period of infection down to 6 days.

bwia

Whoops, too late. Just read that a gas station somewhere in Kentucky is selling gas at $0.99 a gallon but unfortunately they ran out.

ab348

Perhaps we should all start drinking tonic water made with quinine as a preventative measure. Maybe mix a little gin or vodka in for medicinal purposes only, and a twist of lemon for the vitamin C. :laughing:

tjc78

ab348 said:

Perhaps we should all start drinking tonic water made with quinine as a preventative measure. Maybe mix a little gin or vodka in for medicinal purposes only, and a twist of lemon for the vitamin C. :laughing:

I approve of this message.

abacomike

I was supposed to go to my primary care physician this morning for my 3 month check-up, but I cancelled it because that is one place I want to stay away from. He called me and said my blood tests from Tuesday were good including my A1C and the cancer markers. He said I was a little dehydrated and to drink more fluids. I can do that once I call in an order to my liquor store for a delivery! YEAH!!! 😋😛🤪😜

abacomike

My Costco is selling RUG @$1.79 and PUG @ $2.45. But I noticed oil, gold and silver are regaining a little of their losses.

jmonroe

snakeweasel said:

Just a quick warning, the Government has announced that they will be sending funds to individuals in a month or so, the details are not finalized as of yet. They are expecting a rise in scammers trying to take advantage of people with this government payout. Please remember this and pass it around, no one from the government will call you and ask for any personal information, if anyone else contacts you offering help in claiming this government payment it's a scam. In any case never give out private information.

Keep safe out there.

Your post is good advice and had almost perfect timing. But, I read your post after this happened:

Just this morning I got one of those, "the sky is falling", calls about my SS number being compromised. I always hang up immediately when I get these robot calls but not this time. Maybe because I've been shut in for a few days and starting to crave people interaction, I decided to have some fun so I hit button #1as instructed to be connected to a SS agent that could help me. The woman, for the most part, spoke English fairly well but I did have to squint a couple times but all things considered her English was good enough for my purposes. Anyway, after a few very general type of questions that I answered, she then asked for my name and SS number. My responce was, "you called me so you tell me". CLICK. I concluded that she understood English better than she spoke it.

jmonroe

stickguy

Not seeing that cheap here yet but I have not gone out to the area where the cheap stations are recently.

Wife went to eye specialist today. They screened outside the door, and she said very few people in waiting room. Probably a great time for stuff like this, if you trust their cleaning practices.