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imidazol97

snakeweasel said:

suydam said:

fintail said:

A poster on the nextdoor app reported that Kirkland Costco had TP yesterday too. Going to be hilarious to see people try to return it and be denied, the tantrums and hopefully removal from the premises if they don't simmer down.

The past several days I've walked past C-F-A on my afternoon walk, always between 10-15 cars in line (the place is sited hilariously poor, with traffic often backing up onto the street, I have to imagine someone was either drunk or had greased palms to approve the layout).

Our C-F-A is sited the same way, with cars backing out into the main street everyone uses. Maybe a thing for them. I don’t eat there and don’t plan to. Not really a fast food person.

Our local CFA has a rather large parking area that it can spill out into, no chance for spilling out onto the road. Starbucks on the other hand is spilling out onto the roads around here.

Another Chyck Fil A is now being planned for Huber Heights on north of Metro area. It's on a very busy road 4 lanes each way plus turn lanes, with a divider in middle. The lot is relatively narrow but long. It does have access out the back where it used to back up to a truck stop in the old days, that was broken into separate lots, motel, Waffle House, Target. The rear access gets to a busy side road that serves Fed Ex (Ground or Freight?) and other truck yards. I can't imagine how they're going to make this work, having seen various CFA lots that are a mess, including one on east side of Louisville.

They might be buying the mattress store adjacent to the restaurant lot but that wasn't mentioned in the article.

jmonroe

snakeweasel said:

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abacomike said:

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qbrozen said:

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oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

johnmorgan said:
Hi everyone, I am new here. Tell me please which gear is better manual or auto? Thanks

Did I get it wrong....wouldn't surprise me - I often think outside the box, or some might say not the norm? Isn't johnmorgan asking whether it is better to have a manual or an automatic transmission....not what gear or golf club you want to use?
I would prefer a manual but a lot of "ifs", some being, need to have roads with few stops, if there is a car I like that offers a manual, if I am young enough that my shifting arm and both legs are working. There are more, but those reasons alone would make me choose an automatic in my case.

Or, more likely, it is not a real post and we are all just having fun with it. ;b

Or maybe it’s person with a disability like the blind guy who was using a voice/text device or maybe someone with limited English. I rather assume it was legit than make some new poster feel slighted.

That's how I see it too....if it is a troll then what was the point?
Hate it when we answer and they disappear though.
Oh, and I think he had something like 14000 posts, so not just a quick drop in.

Poster had 2 posts.

We all had only two posts at one time.

Right, and look what our poster buddy @driver100 parlayed that into.

jmonroe

In order to curtail @driver100 from his multitude of postings, I would suggest that he:

Spend more time communicating with his lovely wife; learn "dog" language so he could better understand his pup; go car shopping several times a week; read more books by his favorite authors; take up a hobby like bike riding or woodworking; learn how to play bridge and then join a bridge club; become a "HAM RADIO" fanatic and try sending cute and informative radio messages to someone in Australia or South Africa; adopt a child and learn how to change a diaper; become a volunteer at your local hospital delivering daily newspapers to hospitalized men and women; become a Crossing Guard at a local elementary school and smile at the little darlings as they cross the street; become a lifeguard at a community pool and blow your whistle at the kids who splash water with their hands! 😛😜🤪😋

If he takes one or two of those above suggestions and implements an activity or two, that should slow down his postings!🤙

I would, except you and my good buddy JMonroe would miss me

Yes, just like I miss my liver cancer! 😛😜🤪

I'd rather have a root canal.

jmonroe

Good. You go out and arrange for a root canal. Post the invoice for it, and I'll stop posting.

I can't do that becasue I will not be charged for root canals. Why? Because when Mrs. j worked she was the head honcho of the front office for a pair of dentists that specialized in root canals. Any time either of us needed a root canal whatever wasn't covered by insurance was covered by "professional courtesy". One guy has already retired but the other guy is down to only 2 days a week. I guess that courtesy will only last until he hangs up his drill.

If you are true to your word it will be very easy to have an invoice created and forwarded to you. Gee, if only it could be that easy.

jmonroe

Here you go.

Great. Forward that to @driver100 and sign my name.

jmonroe

abacomike

venture said:

tjc78 said:

We did the same thing as @stickguy last night. We ordered from a local bar we frequent. They have been running specials. Credit card with tip and the guy brought it to our doorstep. Knocked and went on his way.

I prefer to tip the driver in cash, but this was their request.

I'm even staying away from cash as much as possible. I never used a debit or credit card for small purchases, but now I do. I bought some lottery tickets for Mrs. Venture yesterday and put the $4 on a credit card.

Cash usually tries to stay away from "me"!

abacomike

imidazol97 said:

I think there needs to be a new, separate topic for autobahn speed discussions.

What about a separate website?

driver100

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

jmonroe said:

snakeweasel said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

johnmorgan said:
Hi everyone, I am new here. Tell me please which gear is better manual or auto? Thanks

Did I get it wrong....wouldn't surprise me - I often think outside the box, or some might say not the norm? Isn't johnmorgan asking whether it is better to have a manual or an automatic transmission....not what gear or golf club you want to use?
I would prefer a manual but a lot of "ifs", some being, need to have roads with few stops, if there is a car I like that offers a manual, if I am young enough that my shifting arm and both legs are working. There are more, but those reasons alone would make me choose an automatic in my case.

Or, more likely, it is not a real post and we are all just having fun with it. ;b

Or maybe it’s person with a disability like the blind guy who was using a voice/text device or maybe someone with limited English. I rather assume it was legit than make some new poster feel slighted.

That's how I see it too....if it is a troll then what was the point?
Hate it when we answer and they disappear though.
Oh, and I think he had something like 14000 posts, so not just a quick drop in.

Poster had 2 posts.

We all had only two posts at one time.

Right, and look what our poster buddy @driver100 parlayed that into.

jmonroe

In order to curtail @driver100 from his multitude of postings, I would suggest that he:

Spend more time communicating with his lovely wife; learn "dog" language so he could better understand his pup; go car shopping several times a week; read more books by his favorite authors; take up a hobby like bike riding or woodworking; learn how to play bridge and then join a bridge club; become a "HAM RADIO" fanatic and try sending cute and informative radio messages to someone in Australia or South Africa; adopt a child and learn how to change a diaper; become a volunteer at your local hospital delivering daily newspapers to hospitalized men and women; become a Crossing Guard at a local elementary school and smile at the little darlings as they cross the street; become a lifeguard at a community pool and blow your whistle at the kids who splash water with their hands! 😛😜🤪😋

If he takes one or two of those above suggestions and implements an activity or two, that should slow down his postings!🤙

I would, except you and my good buddy JMonroe would miss me

Yes, just like I miss my liver cancer! 😛😜🤪

I'd rather have a root canal.

jmonroe

Good. You go out and arrange for a root canal. Post the invoice for it, and I'll stop posting.

I can't do that becasue I will not be charged for root canals. Why? Because when Mrs. j worked she was the head honcho of the front office for a pair of dentists that specialized in root canals. Any time either of us needed a root canal whatever wasn't covered by insurance was covered by "professional courtesy". One guy has already retired but the other guy is down to only 2 days a week. I guess that courtesy will only last until he hangs up his drill.

If you are true to your word it will be very easy to have an invoice created and forwarded to you. Gee, if only it could be that easy.

jmonroe

Here you go.

We know he cheats on his taxes so I know that isn't his invoice

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

local chain dealer is offering 20% off on service to health care workers. Their showroom is closed but they don’t make it clear if they are still selling cars. I wonder if you knew what unit you wanted if they would deliver it to you.

Spent the day doing yard work and got a rude reminder that I’m not a kid any more.

From everything I've heard, you can buy, just not from the showroom. Look at their stock, tell them what you want to test drive and they'll bring it to your house. That starts the process. I would imagine the F&I would go pretty fast too. If they start the heavy handed stuff, just let your German Sheppard out of the basement.

jmonroe

Why buy a new car right now...you can't really go anywhere? You can't even show it to your friends - they can't get close enough to look at it. Taking a trip is not any fun. Your warranty clock is ticking, and your car is sitting in your driveway. :@

Oh that's right. I forgot about the holy warranty clock ticking away. That's something only a DIYer would overlook. I'll do my best not to pass on bum dope in the future about when to buy a new car, regardless of a possible inventory glut on dealers lots.

Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

jmonroe

I’m betting that the discounts you could get on a new car now would more than pay for an extended warranty.

You can always take your car out for a joy ride. Go tour the mountains by yourself. I’m thinking of doing a three state tour just to find the cheapest gas.

Don't forget to wear gloves or wipe the handle of the gas pump after you use it. Kind of adds so much to the driving experience. And, these days, never used to happen, they deduct depreciation on a monthly basis, so while you are driving your car about 50 miles a month for the next 3 months...your new car has depreciated a few $1000s.

Any way you look at it you’re going to lose money owning a car.

Yeh but, better to lose money on it and actually be able to drive it.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

jmonroe said:

snakeweasel said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

johnmorgan said:
Hi everyone, I am new here. Tell me please which gear is better manual or auto? Thanks

Did I get it wrong....wouldn't surprise me - I often think outside the box, or some might say not the norm? Isn't johnmorgan asking whether it is better to have a manual or an automatic transmission....not what gear or golf club you want to use?
I would prefer a manual but a lot of "ifs", some being, need to have roads with few stops, if there is a car I like that offers a manual, if I am young enough that my shifting arm and both legs are working. There are more, but those reasons alone would make me choose an automatic in my case.

Or, more likely, it is not a real post and we are all just having fun with it. ;b

Or maybe it’s person with a disability like the blind guy who was using a voice/text device or maybe someone with limited English. I rather assume it was legit than make some new poster feel slighted.

That's how I see it too....if it is a troll then what was the point?
Hate it when we answer and they disappear though.
Oh, and I think he had something like 14000 posts, so not just a quick drop in.

Poster had 2 posts.

We all had only two posts at one time.

Right, and look what our poster buddy @driver100 parlayed that into.

jmonroe

In order to curtail @driver100 from his multitude of postings, I would suggest that he:

Spend more time communicating with his lovely wife; learn "dog" language so he could better understand his pup; go car shopping several times a week; read more books by his favorite authors; take up a hobby like bike riding or woodworking; learn how to play bridge and then join a bridge club; become a "HAM RADIO" fanatic and try sending cute and informative radio messages to someone in Australia or South Africa; adopt a child and learn how to change a diaper; become a volunteer at your local hospital delivering daily newspapers to hospitalized men and women; become a Crossing Guard at a local elementary school and smile at the little darlings as they cross the street; become a lifeguard at a community pool and blow your whistle at the kids who splash water with their hands! 😛😜🤪😋

If he takes one or two of those above suggestions and implements an activity or two, that should slow down his postings!🤙

I would, except you and my good buddy JMonroe would miss me

Yes, just like I miss my liver cancer! 😛😜🤪

I'd rather have a root canal.

jmonroe

Good. You go out and arrange for a root canal. Post the invoice for it, and I'll stop posting.

I can't do that becasue I will not be charged for root canals. Why? Because when Mrs. j worked she was the head honcho of the front office for a pair of dentists that specialized in root canals. Any time either of us needed a root canal whatever wasn't covered by insurance was covered by "professional courtesy". One guy has already retired but the other guy is down to only 2 days a week. I guess that courtesy will only last until he hangs up his drill.

If you are true to your word it will be very easy to have an invoice created and forwarded to you. Gee, if only it could be that easy.

jmonroe

Here you go.

We know he cheats on his taxes so I know that isn't his invoice

He does cheat on his taxes, why do you think he went to Singapore for that root canal? Yes it's part of a big tax avoidance scheme.

roadburner

Our deck remodel is almost finished; I'll have before/after shots in a couple of days.

laurasdada

Costco last night: RUG $1.70; PUG $2.20. No sanitizing wipes, but got blueberries, Pirate's Booty, Cheese and a cheese pizza to go. As uncrowded as I've ever seen it.
Didn't check for TP as I'm well stocked.
Putting a few miles on the Jag as I communte back and forth from Fiance's place. Also, hurt my back yesterday, to go with another left leg injury. So, no running for a bit. I am going to inflate.

roadburner

Today I noticed that the Clubman's passenger side rear view mirror glass was beginning to separate from its mounting plate. Unfortunately, no repair shops were open today. I knew I risked causing expensive damage by attempting a repair-perhaps even setting the car on fire-but I gritted my teeth and used a toothpick to apply some cyanoacrylate gel to the mounting plate and held the mirror in place for 60 seconds. The repair seems to have worked, but I'm keeping my eye on it- and I'm making sure that a fire extinguisher is close by!

abacomike

laurasdada said:

Costco last night: RUG $1.70; PUG $2.20. No sanitizing wipes, but got blueberries, Pirate's Booty, Cheese and a cheese pizza to go. As uncrowded as I've ever seen it.
Didn't check for TP as I'm well stocked.
Putting a few miles on the Jag as I communte back and forth from Fiance's place. Also, hurt my back yesterday, to go with another left leg injury. So, no running for a bit. I am going to inflate.

PUG at my Costco is now $2.15 a gallon. RUG is $1.65 a gallon. Boy, I sure wish I needed ⛽️ gas!

jmonroe

roadburner said:

Today I noticed that the Clubman's passenger side rear view mirror glass was beginning to separate from its mounting plate. Unfortunately, no repair shops were open today. I knew I risked causing expensive damage by attempting a repair-perhaps even setting the car on fire-but I gritted my teeth and used a toothpick to apply some cyanoacrylate gel to the mounting plate and held the mirror in place for 60 seconds. The repair seems to have worked, but I'm keeping my eye on it- and I'm making sure that a fire extinguisher is close by!

You should be OK until you go north of the border. Strange things happen up there.

jmonroe

tjc78

Crazy Glue for the win!

tjc78

Well everyone in quarantine, enjoy your night. Kids are laying down, time for some Daddy juice. My flavor tonight.

jmonroe

tjc78 said:

Well everyone in quarantine, enjoy your night. Kids are laying down, time for some Daddy juice. My flavor tonight.

WHOA, it looks like you got a pretty good head start on that bottle. How about slowing down a bit so there's something left when your poster buddies show up. Since @stickguy is the closest he's hereby duely appointment to head over there immediately to protect our interests.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

tjc78 said:

Well everyone in quarantine, enjoy your night. Kids are laying down, time for some Daddy juice. My flavor tonight.

I figure I'm pretty well stocked. Mind you it's just for medical purposes.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

Today I noticed that the Clubman's passenger side rear view mirror glass was beginning to separate from its mounting plate. Unfortunately, no repair shops were open today. I knew I risked causing expensive damage by attempting a repair-perhaps even setting the car on fire-but I gritted my teeth and used a toothpick to apply some cyanoacrylate gel to the mounting plate and held the mirror in place for 60 seconds. The repair seems to have worked, but I'm keeping my eye on it- and I'm making sure that a fire extinguisher is close by!

Unless BMW uses some exotic heating method I think those mirrors are all just glued in. The ones I’ve replaced just have a small electric heating grid on the back and a plug connector to the power system.

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

tjc78 said:

Well everyone in quarantine, enjoy your night. Kids are laying down, time for some Daddy juice. My flavor tonight.

I figure I'm pretty well stocked. Mind you it's just for medical purposes.

That’s a good supply of hand sanitizer. Especially effective if applied internally....or so I hear.

benjaminh

Anyone else here have a fondness for abandoned roads? You almost always can't drive on them, but sometimes they are good for walking or riding your bike. Here's one in Indiana....

abacomike

All in all, some of the cleverest TV commercials being aired now are by the auto insurance companies - particularly GEICO! Then again, some of the worst TV commercials are being aired by auto insurance companies - namely Progressive and ESPECIALLY Liberty Mutual and that idiotic Emu - "LiMuEmu". I'd love to hunt that emu if given the chance! 😝😩

imidazol97

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

Today I noticed that the Clubman's passenger side rear view mirror glass was beginning to separate from its mounting plate. Unfortunately, no repair shops were open today. I knew I risked causing expensive damage by attempting a repair-perhaps even setting the car on fire-but I gritted my teeth and used a toothpick to apply some cyanoacrylate gel to the mounting plate and held the mirror in place for 60 seconds. The repair seems to have worked, but I'm keeping my eye on it- and I'm making sure that a fire extinguisher is close by!

Unless BMW uses some exotic heating method I think those mirrors are all just glued in. The ones I’ve replaced just have a small electric heating grid on the back and a plug connector to the power system.

I believe for my leSabres the heated Muth mirrors called for silicon glue--meaning silicon caulk. I had damaged one of my mirrors and was checking into how to switch it to a new housing.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

Today I noticed that the Clubman's passenger side rear view mirror glass was beginning to separate from its mounting plate. Unfortunately, no repair shops were open today. I knew I risked causing expensive damage by attempting a repair-perhaps even setting the car on fire-but I gritted my teeth and used a toothpick to apply some cyanoacrylate gel to the mounting plate and held the mirror in place for 60 seconds. The repair seems to have worked, but I'm keeping my eye on it- and I'm making sure that a fire extinguisher is close by!

Unless BMW uses some exotic heating method I think those mirrors are all just glued in. The ones I’ve replaced just have a small electric heating grid on the back and a plug connector to the power system.

No glue is a match for Mrs. j when she backs out of the garage. I doubt even rivets stand a chance.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

abacomike said:

All in all, some of the cleverest TV commercials being aired now are by the auto insurance companies - particularly GEICO! Then again, some of the worst TV commercials are being aired by auto insurance companies - namely Progressive and ESPECIALLY Liberty Mutual and that idiotic Emu - "LiMuEmu". I'd love to hunt that emu if given the chance! 😝😩

Be careful about hunting emus. Australia once declared war on emus and sent in the army. The emus won.

benjaminh

Another abandoned road I walked on just today....No problems with social distancing!

driver100

roadburner said:

Today I noticed that the Clubman's passenger side rear view mirror glass was beginning to separate from its mounting plate. Unfortunately, no repair shops were open today. I knew I risked causing expensive damage by attempting a repair-perhaps even setting the car on fire-but I gritted my teeth and used a toothpick to apply some cyanoacrylate gel to the mounting plate and held the mirror in place for 60 seconds. The repair seems to have worked, but I'm keeping my eye on it- and I'm making sure that a fire extinguisher is close by!

You can always try some duct tape.

snakeweasel

benjaminh said:

Another abandoned road I walked on just today....No problems with social distancing!

Here's one for you. At the end is our states most active haunted site, supposively one of e
the worlds most active haunted site. Although the only things I've ever seen haunting it have been ghost hunters.

28firefighter

Okay. Anyone else watching Tiger King?

benjaminh

Yeah, that Netflix Tiger King show demonstrates that truth can be stranger than fiction. Just about finished the first episode, and then decided that was enough for one day. Probably watch some more tomorrow.

Here's a water view of that bridge. Looks pretty solid considering I doubt it's been maintained since it was built around 1945. The road was abandoned probably more than fifty years ago, although it's possible someone with a Jeep still uses it once in a while.

snakeweasel

28firefighter said:

Okay. Anyone else watching Tiger King?

Well I am watching the same movie my wife is. It starts with a wild car chase in some Italian city that is basically keeping the Italian automotive industry in business. 6 underground I think the movie is called.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

tjc78 said:

Well everyone in quarantine, enjoy your night. Kids are laying down, time for some Daddy juice. My flavor tonight.

I figure I'm pretty well stocked. Mind you it's just for medical purposes.

That’s a good supply of hand sanitizer. Especially effective if applied internally....or so I hear.

You got that right. Last week when I hadn't fully adjusted to being shut in, about 10 o'clock one night I decided to sip on about 4 ounces of bourbon. In walks Mrs j and she says, "why are drinking that"? I answered, "what should I do with it...soak my feet in it". Then it hit me, by drinking it, it gets to all parts of my body even hair folicals.That is true medicinal purposes. Which reminds me it's almost 10 PM right now.

jmonroe

jmonroe

driver100 said:

roadburner said:

Today I noticed that the Clubman's passenger side rear view mirror glass was beginning to separate from its mounting plate. Unfortunately, no repair shops were open today. I knew I risked causing expensive damage by attempting a repair-perhaps even setting the car on fire-but I gritted my teeth and used a toothpick to apply some cyanoacrylate gel to the mounting plate and held the mirror in place for 60 seconds. The repair seems to have worked, but I'm keeping my eye on it- and I'm making sure that a fire extinguisher is close by!

You can always try some duct tape.

@roadburner, see what I mean !!!

jmonroe

benjaminh

Different road....

cdnpinhead

"Okay. Anyone else watching Tiger King?"

Well, I'm into it about 4.5 episodes, and it's the sort of thing that helps one (or me anyway) realize that no matter how weird I think I am, I can't compete in that league. I heard about it a week or so ago and finally started watching yesterday -- I'll probably finish it up tomorrow. So far I've ended up disliking all of the main players except for the reality show producer, but he may come a cropper too in the next 2.5 episodes.

stickguy

I can be down at his house in about 15 minutes. Well, not now. Apparently they just instituted a 14 day domestic travel ban in the state (NJ, NY, maybe connecticut). Only allowed out for "essential" reasons. Of course to me, keeping my car from rotting away counts as essential. I think this is more geared toward north Jersey.NYC. I really doubt people in upstate and central NYS are paying any attention, or even down around my area outside Philly. Unlikely you will get stopped, and just in case, I will make sure to have a written out shopping list of vital stuff handy to show the cop (through the glass of course!)

qbrozen

Miserable weather and no freelance work meant movie day (mostly).
1. Bloodshot.
2. The Hunt
3. Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood
4. Dolittle
5. Knives Out

1 was OK. Entertaining, although you really gotta bite your tongue for the first 30 mins because most of the incongruences get answered.
2 was fun. Really amusing.
3 was not what I expected. A different story involving Fred Rogers rather than a biography of him.
4 was fairly lousy. Don’t know why RDJ had to put on the awkward voice and accent. Made understanding him difficult.

In between, the wife made me put together something for the boys to do while trapped inside besides TV and video games.
5 was REALLY good. Very enjoyable. I have a pic but can’t post of course. It is an arcade basketball court thing. Fairly substantial and took a couple hours to assemble.

roadburner

My wife told me she wanted to see Knives Out and told me, "I know you will love it- there's a 3.0CS in it."

andres3

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

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andres3 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

benjaminh said:

Two charts from a piece in today's New York Times. There are different charts in this article based on different scenarios.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/13/opinion/coronavirus-trump-response.html

I think those death projections are wishful thinking on the part of the NYT.

I did read a biased article in the NYT about how Germany should vote to put speed limits on the Autobahn, and they are like Americans clinging to the 2nd Amendment in regards to having no speed limits.

Then they said something to the effect of: 70% of the Autobahn is limitless, 30% is limited, and that the safety is clear, because the limited sections have 26% lower fatalities!!!

Little do they know that anyone that can do a little math would know that they just made a very compelling and powerful argument for no speed limits. As 70/30 would indicate that the limited sections should be 57% lower in fatalities, assuming they were EQUALLY safe. Since their own data and argument stated it was only 26% lower, it is clear which method is working to save lives better!

Of course, this doesn't take into account traffic and miles driven, but neither did their evidence or poorly written opinion piece, so I'm only using their own figures against them. Strange how they used word and number play to try and convey a conclusion the opposite of what the figures and data show to be true.

The problem with your post is that the limited sections don't have 26% lower fatalities, they have a 26% lower fatality rate. Big difference there. That means that for an equal number of miles driven there will be fewer fatalities on the limited sections then on the unlimited sections. Completely the opposite of your conclusion.

Where do you get that information as the word "rate" wasn't used in the article, so you must have another source? Or are you just inventing things? I find when fatalities are talked about the word "rate" is deliberately left out, not accidentally left out. Is this the one exception of all-time? We shall find out.....

Drumroll....

P.S.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/03/world/europe/germany-autobahn-speed-limit.html?action=click&module=RelatedCoverage&pgtype=Article&region=Footer

Quoting "The number of deadly accidents on stretches of autobahn that have a speed limit is 26 percent lower than on those without."

You might have different English comprehension than I do, but my language skills indicates "the number of deadly accidents" is most definitely a figure, and not a rate.

So based on this I'm going to say you pulled your post out of your behind with no substantiation or support, much like the way most of the speed limits in the USA are decided in the first place.

I didn't read that article but I have researched the issue and I am going off of a German Government statistic that gave the fatality rates separated by limited and unlimited sections of the autobahn. Those statistics showed a marked decline in the fatality rate in the sections with a speed limit. A quick web search revealed only overall fatality rates but I will do a more complete search when time permits. I do recall we discussed this before and I'll see I'd I can find the posts on it.

Also there is another flaw in your argument, can you figure it out?

I've already pointed it out. Just because more fatalities happen where there are speed limits, and less happen where there are none, and there are more miles of no speed limits on the Autobahn vs. limited sections, it doesn't mean more people drive more miles on that roadway vs. the other. I've always preferred vehicle miles traveled in high sample sizes like the billions. It's the fairest and most honest equalizer by far. Population is pretty meaningless because you could have a million people that never drive.

Sorry you didn't, you made the claim that the high speed sections were safer because the sections with a speed limit being 30% of the roads had 26% fewer fatalities and if they were equally safe it would have larger percentage. You totally ignored vehicle miles traveled, I was the one who brought it up.

andres3 said:

I don't think we've ever gone into the intricacies and details of the Autobahn before, because the facts of the Autobahn don't fit your preconceived notions and biases. You usually discount it as superior German DNA, training, licensing, and enforcement.

Yes we have, or at least I have. A long time ago you posted that the autobahn was the safest highway system in the world despite having no speed limits (spoiler alert it isnt). I replied that it wasn't a good ideal to truly compare the autobahn to the interstate highways since they exist in different environments with different customs and laws. I mentioned that a better comparison would be between Germany and Denmark. At that time Denmark had a safer highway system based on fatalities per vehicle miles traveled and they have a speed limit on all their highways. But the fatality rate of the Danish highways was approximately equal to the fatality rate on the sections of the autobahn with speed limits.

Now while DNA is rather silly there are differences between the US and Germany that do account for Germany having safer roads.

Yes Germanys licensing process is far more difficult and more expensive than here in the US. It truly does make the US's look like a joke, something that has been discussed here before. This includes training at high speeds.

Germans tend to follow traffic laws far more than they do here, again this has been discussed here at length.

Germany is a much smaller country that has a much higher population density with a very good public transit system. Think less driver fatigue.

Germany has a higher population density than the US. Because of this an accident in Germany will result in emergency services getting to the accident faster than say in rural Nebraska, the sooner medical care is administered the greater the chance of surviving. This is one of reasons why rural fatality rates are higher than urban rates.

Germany does a better job on up keeping the autobahn than most states do for their roads.

andres3 said:

Everywhere in the world I've looked, putting speed limits where there were none has resulted in higher fatality rates, whether it be Montana, Australia, or anywhere else.

Source? Also remember there are plenty of things that influence fatality rates.

andres3 said:

I've looked at a great number of these studies. Your "speed kills" myth propagating crowd hates using rates. Like the NY Time article, they almost always speak about fatalities in deceptive numbers that don't take rates into account. This is nothing new. I didn't suddenly figure this out. I just see it every time I'm reading something from the IIHS, the NHTSA, Australia, or the fake and failing news media. There's a consistency to the sources on "your side," and that's not a compliment.

Dont talk about others using deceptive numbers when you started this with deceptive numbers.

I didn't use deceptive numbers. Goodness gracious.

I was just pointing out how the NY Times used deceptive numbers without any qualification to support their argument or Opinion piece.

I was using their own numbers against them. They are not my numbers.

I've never said the Autobahn is the safest in the world, just that it is very safe by worldwide standards. It is always hovering at about 1/2 the fatality rate of US highways. Someone should look into how people from outside Germany are probably "padding" the bad stats.

qbrozen

qbrozen said:

Miserable weather and no freelance work meant movie day (mostly).
1. Bloodshot.
2. The Hunt
3. Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood
4. Dolittle
5. Knives Out

1 was OK. Entertaining, although you really gotta bite your tongue for the first 30 mins because most of the incongruences get answered.
2 was fun. Really amusing.
3 was not what I expected. A different story involving Fred Rogers rather than a biography of him.
4 was fairly lousy. Don’t know why RDJ had to put on the awkward voice and accent. Made understanding him difficult.

In between, the wife made me put together something for the boys to do while trapped inside besides TV and video games.
5 was REALLY good. Very enjoyable. I have a pic but can’t post of course. It is an arcade basketball court thing. Fairly substantial and took a couple hours to assemble.

Odd. Somehow my post got a little jumbled. The line about #5, Knives Out is in the middle of my basketball story. So, to clarify: no, I don’t have a pic of the movie, but I do have one of the game. Ha.

qbrozen

roadburner said:

My wife told me she wanted to see Knives Out and told me, "I know you will love it- there's a 3.0CS in it."

CSi, actually.
I wonder if they chose it for the letters alone.

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

benjaminh said:

Two charts from a piece in today's New York Times. There are different charts in this article based on different scenarios.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/13/opinion/coronavirus-trump-response.html

I think those death projections are wishful thinking on the part of the NYT.

I did read a biased article in the NYT about how Germany should vote to put speed limits on the Autobahn, and they are like Americans clinging to the 2nd Amendment in regards to having no speed limits.

Then they said something to the effect of: 70% of the Autobahn is limitless, 30% is limited, and that the safety is clear, because the limited sections have 26% lower fatalities!!!

Little do they know that anyone that can do a little math would know that they just made a very compelling and powerful argument for no speed limits. As 70/30 would indicate that the limited sections should be 57% lower in fatalities, assuming they were EQUALLY safe. Since their own data and argument stated it was only 26% lower, it is clear which method is working to save lives better!

Of course, this doesn't take into account traffic and miles driven, but neither did their evidence or poorly written opinion piece, so I'm only using their own figures against them. Strange how they used word and number play to try and convey a conclusion the opposite of what the figures and data show to be true.

The problem with your post is that the limited sections don't have 26% lower fatalities, they have a 26% lower fatality rate. Big difference there. That means that for an equal number of miles driven there will be fewer fatalities on the limited sections then on the unlimited sections. Completely the opposite of your conclusion.

Where do you get that information as the word "rate" wasn't used in the article, so you must have another source? Or are you just inventing things? I find when fatalities are talked about the word "rate" is deliberately left out, not accidentally left out. Is this the one exception of all-time? We shall find out.....

Drumroll....

P.S.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/03/world/europe/germany-autobahn-speed-limit.html?action=click&module=RelatedCoverage&pgtype=Article&region=Footer

Quoting "The number of deadly accidents on stretches of autobahn that have a speed limit is 26 percent lower than on those without."

You might have different English comprehension than I do, but my language skills indicates "the number of deadly accidents" is most definitely a figure, and not a rate.

So based on this I'm going to say you pulled your post out of your behind with no substantiation or support, much like the way most of the speed limits in the USA are decided in the first place.

I didn't read that article but I have researched the issue and I am going off of a German Government statistic that gave the fatality rates separated by limited and unlimited sections of the autobahn. Those statistics showed a marked decline in the fatality rate in the sections with a speed limit. A quick web search revealed only overall fatality rates but I will do a more complete search when time permits. I do recall we discussed this before and I'll see I'd I can find the posts on it.

Also there is another flaw in your argument, can you figure it out?

I've already pointed it out. Just because more fatalities happen where there are speed limits, and less happen where there are none, and there are more miles of no speed limits on the Autobahn vs. limited sections, it doesn't mean more people drive more miles on that roadway vs. the other. I've always preferred vehicle miles traveled in high sample sizes like the billions. It's the fairest and most honest equalizer by far. Population is pretty meaningless because you could have a million people that never drive.

Sorry you didn't, you made the claim that the high speed sections were safer because the sections with a speed limit being 30% of the roads had 26% fewer fatalities and if they were equally safe it would have larger percentage. You totally ignored vehicle miles traveled, I was the one who brought it up.

andres3 said:

I don't think we've ever gone into the intricacies and details of the Autobahn before, because the facts of the Autobahn don't fit your preconceived notions and biases. You usually discount it as superior German DNA, training, licensing, and enforcement.

Yes we have, or at least I have. A long time ago you posted that the autobahn was the safest highway system in the world despite having no speed limits (spoiler alert it isnt). I replied that it wasn't a good ideal to truly compare the autobahn to the interstate highways since they exist in different environments with different customs and laws. I mentioned that a better comparison would be between Germany and Denmark. At that time Denmark had a safer highway system based on fatalities per vehicle miles traveled and they have a speed limit on all their highways. But the fatality rate of the Danish highways was approximately equal to the fatality rate on the sections of the autobahn with speed limits.

Now while DNA is rather silly there are differences between the US and Germany that do account for Germany having safer roads.

Yes Germanys licensing process is far more difficult and more expensive than here in the US. It truly does make the US's look like a joke, something that has been discussed here before. This includes training at high speeds.

Germans tend to follow traffic laws far more than they do here, again this has been discussed here at length.

Germany is a much smaller country that has a much higher population density with a very good public transit system. Think less driver fatigue.

Germany has a higher population density than the US. Because of this an accident in Germany will result in emergency services getting to the accident faster than say in rural Nebraska, the sooner medical care is administered the greater the chance of surviving. This is one of reasons why rural fatality rates are higher than urban rates.

Germany does a better job on up keeping the autobahn than most states do for their roads.

andres3 said:

Everywhere in the world I've looked, putting speed limits where there were none has resulted in higher fatality rates, whether it be Montana, Australia, or anywhere else.

Source? Also remember there are plenty of things that influence fatality rates.

andres3 said:

I've looked at a great number of these studies. Your "speed kills" myth propagating crowd hates using rates. Like the NY Time article, they almost always speak about fatalities in deceptive numbers that don't take rates into account. This is nothing new. I didn't suddenly figure this out. I just see it every time I'm reading something from the IIHS, the NHTSA, Australia, or the fake and failing news media. There's a consistency to the sources on "your side," and that's not a compliment.

Dont talk about others using deceptive numbers when you started this with deceptive numbers.

I didn't use deceptive numbers. Goodness gracious.

I was just pointing out how the NY Times used deceptive numbers without any qualification to support their argument or Opinion piece.

I was using their own numbers against them. They are not my numbers.

I've never said the Autobahn is the safest in the world, just that it is very safe by worldwide standards. It is always hovering at about 1/2 the fatality rate of US highways. Someone should look into how people from outside Germany are probably "padding" the bad stats.

I suggest you read your original post. But whatever makes you sleep at night. I'm out of here.

sda

jmonroe said:

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

Today I noticed that the Clubman's passenger side rear view mirror glass was beginning to separate from its mounting plate. Unfortunately, no repair shops were open today. I knew I risked causing expensive damage by attempting a repair-perhaps even setting the car on fire-but I gritted my teeth and used a toothpick to apply some cyanoacrylate gel to the mounting plate and held the mirror in place for 60 seconds. The repair seems to have worked, but I'm keeping my eye on it- and I'm making sure that a fire extinguisher is close by!

Unless BMW uses some exotic heating method I think those mirrors are all just glued in. The ones I’ve replaced just have a small electric heating grid on the back and a plug connector to the power system.

No glue is a match for Mrs. j when she backs out of the garage. I doubt even rivets stand a chance.

jmonroe

That’s when you chase her around the dining room table. By the way, have you bought her the new dining room suite yet?

graphicguy

Hunkered down with my newly acquired go to bourbon, Basil Hayden, last night with the GF. Fired up the home theater. Popped popcorn the old fashioned way (kernels in a kettle with oil). We agreed to let each pick the movie they wanted to see, and the other had to abide with the choices.

She wanted to watch JUDY. Judy Garland was a tad before my time (except, of course, Wizard of Oz). Renee Zelweiger (sp?) was absolutely outstanding. Movie was about her last years, which were filled with sadness. GF loved it. I could have done a hard pass, but a deal’s a deal.

I chose Raging Bull, which I hadn’t seen in quite some time. Love that movie. GF had never seen it. She thought it was filled with chauvinistic machismo, which I explained to her, was the point of the movie.

Both movies based on true stories. Both about very broken people. Went to bed feeling good about myself.

houdini1

benjaminh said:

Another abandoned road I walked on just today....No problems with social distancing!

You have some very nice places to walk. You should have a dog with you.

suydam

I’m only in the mood for cheery or fun movies. Escapist murder mysteries too. Finally got around to seeing Ford v Ferrari. Lots of 60s posturing, lots of racing, what’s not to like? We saw Knives Out at the movies awhile back, also very fun. Great acting performances in both.

driver100

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

roadburner said:

Today I noticed that the Clubman's passenger side rear view mirror glass was beginning to separate from its mounting plate. Unfortunately, no repair shops were open today. I knew I risked causing expensive damage by attempting a repair-perhaps even setting the car on fire-but I gritted my teeth and used a toothpick to apply some cyanoacrylate gel to the mounting plate and held the mirror in place for 60 seconds. The repair seems to have worked, but I'm keeping my eye on it- and I'm making sure that a fire extinguisher is close by!

You can always try some duct tape.

driver100 said:
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You can always try some duct tape.

@roadburner, see what I mean !!!

jmonroe

Do you think you are the only one with DIY ability?

roadburner

My son and I plan to watch The Crazies again(we saw it in the theater back in 2010)- it demonstrates how things could be MUCH worse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7w9uWFIMBs

benjaminh

houdini1 said:

.....
You have some very nice places to walk. You should have a dog with you.

Our old Dalmatian dog Ponga from when I was a kid would have loved that walk.

jmonroe

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

roadburner said:

Today I noticed that the Clubman's passenger side rear view mirror glass was beginning to separate from its mounting plate. Unfortunately, no repair shops were open today. I knew I risked causing expensive damage by attempting a repair-perhaps even setting the car on fire-but I gritted my teeth and used a toothpick to apply some cyanoacrylate gel to the mounting plate and held the mirror in place for 60 seconds. The repair seems to have worked, but I'm keeping my eye on it- and I'm making sure that a fire extinguisher is close by!

You can always try some duct tape.

driver100 said:
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You can always try some duct tape.

@roadburner, see what I mean !!!

jmonroe

Do you think you are the only one with DIY ability?

No, it's pretty common around here...we change car fuses and smoke detector batteries all the time.

jmonroe

kyfdx

@benjaminh

You sure all of those roads are abandoned? Most look like normal county roads (for Indiana).

stickguy

too good for NJ or PA. not enough potholes.