@stickguy said:
the A3 is much more than a tarted up Jetta. Not even on the same platform at this point. The base engine is the same though, but that is normal corporate action.
Isn't the A3 based off the Golf platform? So it's a tarted up Golf, not Jetta.
From what I've read M3s are the holy grail of BMWs. That's a lot of money for a 16 year old car that promises to be an expensive repair bill. But if you are a fan money doesn't matter.
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@oldfarmer50 said:
From what I've read M3s are the holy grail of BMWs. That's a lot of money for a 16 year old car that promises to be an expensive repair bill. But if you are a fan money doesn't matter.
That generation M3 is a bit of an odball; the US version got a hopped up version of the standard engine rather than a true ///M motor.What hurts this car in my eyes is the slushbox and the droptop. As far as repair expense goes, not a lot goes wrong with that vintage, and the fact that the motor is rather plebeian is a bit of an advantage. Suspension bushings and the cooling system are the the main areas that will eventually need attention, but the droptop and slushbox hold the potential for some annoying issues. I think the price is on the low side, actually...
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@abacomike said:
I just can't figure out why they don't have a fix for the problem.
I believe there is a better fixed planned, but, for now, GM/Cadillac wants you to take certain precautions. Maybe they should offer special spongy knee pads so you don't hit the key with your knee.
I thought Edmunds was able to block spam and advertisers here on their forums. I guess "Dominque" got through their security system. Maybe Edmunds needs to consult with TSA!!!
auto makers tend to neglect this senior market niche. They all seem to pursue a younger demographic and basically ignore the folks who have the real wealth and can afford premium level vehicles.
When I see such things, I am always reminded of this news story from 20 years ago:
the show is "Sea Quest, DSV," a futuristic adventure series about an undersea vehicle, at 8 P.M. Sundays. In its time slot, it trails the longtime CBS hit, "Murder, She Wrote" and is in a close battle with a new ABC series, "Lois and Clark."
But NBC executives argued here that "Sea Quest" is winning a more important race. They said advertisers are paying more for commercials on "Sea Quest" than on "Murder, She Wrote" because the NBC show is so appealing to young adults.
@abacomike said:
I thought Edmunds was able to block spam and advertisers here on their forums. I guess "Dominque" got through their security system. Maybe Edmunds needs to consult with TSA!!!
I missed that bit of spam, Edmunds must have deleted it.
I'd also like to see the State Farm pop up that's constantly at the bottom of the screen taken off. Annoying.
In my opinion, when an advertisement become obtrusive like that, it actually chases customers away.
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Mike - sorry to hear of your loss. Yes it is gut wrenching to lose a child. As I noted recently, we lost a dear friend to breast cancer and she left behind a 17, 13 and 10 YO.
Ethanol is also a replacement for MTBE which was used as an oxygenator for years in gasoline. But it's also a horribly toxic chemical.
Quebecois love the southern end of Maine for vacations. Old Orchard Beach, Kennebunk, Portland et al are popular spots. Maine is far enough away but close enough for them. But they need to leave their fashion sense behind. There ain't nothing pretty about a hairy, rotund guy strutting around the beach in a Speedo.
@robr2 said: There ain't nothing pretty about a hairy, rotund guy strutting around the beach in a Speedo.
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You would think that with Quebecers French fashion sense they would know better than that. I hope they don't wear Birkenstocks with socks....what a fashion faux pas!
@driver100 said:
You would think that with Quebecers French fashion sense they would know better than that.
You are confusing Montrealers with Quebecois - there's a difference. Montrealers are fashion savvy. Quebecois tend to jorts, sleeveless shirts and Carling Black Label.....at least in my experience.
Sorry for your loss, Mike. We can only hope she has gone where the roads are all smooth, the lights all green, and the drive-thru's always get your order right.
@roadburner said:
That generation M3 is a bit of an odball; the US version got a hopped up version of the standard engine rather than a true ///M motor.What hurts this car in my eyes is the slushbox and the droptop. As far as repair expense goes, not a lot goes wrong with that vintage, and the fact that the motor is rather plebeian is a bit of an advantage. Suspension bushings and the cooling system are the the main areas that will eventually need attention, but the droptop and slushbox hold the potential for some annoying issues. I think the price is on the low side, actually...
To each his own I guess but I've never driven one so I wouldn't know. Wonder what that 1998 finally sold for?
Speaking of M type BMWs I saw a M6 convertible pass me on the way home today. Looked nice. What's your opinion of those?
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What great, thoughtful insight, rbirns. Thanks - most inspiring!
@abacomike - extremely sorry to hear of your loss. My thoughts are with you and your family.
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> @Mr_Shiftright said: > RE: An EV with 200 mile range: > > But that's like saying "plugging it in is the convenient way of overcoming the inconvenience". Why buy a problem just because you can solve it?
That's like saying that stopping at a gas station and filling it up is a convenient way to overcome the inconvenience of running out of gas.
Tell me, how often do you drive more than 200 miles on a day?
Plugging and unplugging the car once or twice a week in my garage will take much less time than the time I would spend stopping at a gas station and filling up every 10 days or so.
Here is one reason I think 200 miles works. If I had a Leaf and left for work Friday morning fully charged and did my round trip commute and when I got home my wife said "Lets go to downtown Chicago for dinner" I could drive the Leaf downtown but I would have to find a charging station to charge up for the trip home (not a hard thing to do). With a 200 mile range I could commute round trip for the entire week and still make the round trip to downtown on Friday without recharging.
Now it is my understanding that Nissan is considering a battery upgrade option to double the range of the leaf but at a price that comes close to the Model 3 estimated price. So if that can fly so will the Model 3.
While it is not for everyone the Model 3 can and will sell, there is a market for a 200 mile range EV.
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the problem to me isn't the fact you normally don't do 200 miles in 1 day. It is that you never can.
Now, if you are looking at an EV as purely a 2nd/commuter car (always around town, to the station, short hops) with a 2nd car available for any travel or longer drives, then you can make a case for it. But there is no way I am planning on one for an out of town/longer trip.
how about a nice portable generator on a trailer? Just hook that up and charge as you go!
> @roadburner said: > I'm sorry, but I simply just do not see the reason for all the hand-wringing over a car that uses premium. Lets say that you drive 15,000 mile/year and your car gets 28 mpg. You'll use 536 gallons every year. Assuming the delta between regular and premium is 30 cents/gallon will mean that using premium will cost you an extra $161/year- _a whopping 44 cents per day_. > Oh the horror
Be careful with rationalizing like that, 44 cents a day here, 44 cents a day there will add up. That 161 a year invested getting a nominal return can become well over 12K at retirement, maybe much much more properly invested.
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@snakeweasel said:
Mike, my deepest sympathies to you and yours. I know it must be hard for you right now and I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. .
@snakeweasel said:
Be careful with rationalizing like that, 44 cents a day here, 44 cents a day there will add up. That 161 a year invested getting a nominal return can become well over 12K at retirement, maybe much much more properly invested.
I came to the same conclusion as did you, snake, about 6 months ago. Additionally, I choose gas "brands" using the same philosophy and extrapolation. As an example, if Costco is selling their premium grade for 18 cents a gallon less than my Chevron station, I choose the Chevron station over Costco. Remember, the only credit card company that is accepted at Costco is American Express down here. American Express does not consider Costco a Gasoline Station, for some reason - thus I get no cash back.
On the other hand, my Chase and Discover cards are accepted at Chevron stations and I get a minimum of 1% back on each purchase. So that drops the cost of the gas by 4 cents. Twice a year (July 1-Sept. 30 and again Jan. 1 - March 30) I get 5% back on each purchase, which makes buying Chevron even better than Costco.
But to get back to your comments about using a lower octane gas because of pricing - it really is insignificant when you consider the difference.
@driver100 said:
Right now retirement age is 65....
Speaking of taking Social Security and Pension Benefits sooner than full retirement age, I took both my Illinois Pension and Social Security Pension a bit early.
I took my Illinois Pension starting at age 62, or 3 years sooner than full retirement. I figured it out that I would break even at age 71, and then I would begin losing ground after that. I reach 71 in October of 2015. So, I've been collecting retirement benefits for quite some time and COLA increases each year, as well.
For Social Security, I took it at age 64, or 2 years earlier. The way the SSA figured out for me, I would break even at age 74.
So for me, earlier retirement made sense since I have quite a few health issues and don't expect to live to be 80 or 85.
The increases in Social Security over the past 4 years has been meager, if anything. Food prices have been rising at 8-10% per year but my increases in SS have been 1-2%. The way they figure COLA increases for SS is somewhat mind-boggling.
Early retirement options are good depending upon the break-even age. In my case, it was better to retire a few years earlier than to wait since I had to care for my Dad and could not work.
Mike: My heart is absolutely broken for you and your family. But, my thoughts are with you. Better days ahead.
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Thanks very much for this info. That's pretty good mileage, especially if she uses regular gas. I would be probably interested in the same model - base model with no tech pkg.
Mike, I'm so sorry about your daughter. Even though I don't know you, I have enjoyed reading your posts. It's a terrible thing for a parent to outlive a child. Both of my parents outlived one of my sisters, and my mother outlived my other sister. They were as sad as I ever saw them during that time. Your family will be in my prayers.
Speaking of mpg, my wife followed me up to ny last Friday ( I was driving a rental truck). So our normal route, but slower. Mostly highway, just at 62-65 vs. the normal 73-75 or so. When we arrived, the RDX TC was sitting right at 32 for the 250 mile trip. I got about 29 coming back at normal speeds, and 28-29 is about the best I can usually do on that trip up.
But man you get whiplash watching cars fly by! And it does take longer.
> @stickguy said: > Speaking of mpg, my wife followed me up to ny last Friday ( I was driving a rental truck). So our normal route, but slower. Mostly highway, just at 62-65 vs. the normal 73-75 or so. When we arrived, the RDX TC was sitting right at 32 for the 250 mile trip. I got about 29 coming back at normal speeds, and 28-29 is about the best I can usually do on that trip up. > > But man you get whiplash watching cars fly by! And it does take longer.
This past weekend we went to mackinac island going up there we didn't have much time to spare so we took the fastest most direct route which was almost all interstate. Speed limit was 70 and we were doing maybe 77 or 78 (faster than most but slower than alot) and we registered 30.6 MPG. On the way back we stayed closer to the lakefront keeping on two lane back roads for about half the trip back. Keeping a speed of 60 outside of the towns with occasional stop and go traffic in the towns we got 33.7 MPG up until we got back on the interstate and increased our speed to 70 - 75 and the MPG started to drop. By the time we got home we were at about 32.3 MPG.
10%+ better milage at 60, and a bit more relaxing drive.
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one problem with the slow route is that in many cases, including the trip I was on, it doesn't really exist. unless you want to turn a 4 hour trip into an 8 hour one!
so the option is to just drive slow on the same highway. Nothing relaxing or scenic about that!
@snakeweasel said:
Be careful with rationalizing like that, 44 cents a day here, 44 cents a day there will add up. That 161 a year invested getting a nominal return can become well over 12K at retirement, maybe much much more properly invested.
But it pales in comparison to other expenses connected with a vehicle purchase- depreciation, options, etc. And it is especially laughable when those complaining are flipping new cars every 2-4 years...
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We purchased a new 2008 Passat, with the 2.0T engine. The owner’s manual, and the decal on the fuel filler door recommended 91 octane. The dealer said regular, 87 octane was fine. I spent quite a few hours researching this, reading other opinions out on the various VW and other model specific forums. I decided that I felt better about running the premium fuel, and we did so.
103,000 miles over the course of 6 years. Overall mpg average was close to 25, so 4,120 gallons of gas. Sometimes premium was 20 cents per gallon higher, sometimes 30 cents. So call it an average of 25 cents per gallon. 4,120 gallons times 25 cents more per gallon, comes to $1,030. Divide that by 72 months, it cost us $14.30 per month, and I always felt good about my decision.
As roadburner said just above, compared with depreciation this is NOT a big deal.
the price delta drives me nuts. Always used to be about $.10 per step. now, it seems to be much bigger.
I got gas yesterday at Exxon. RUG was 3.33. mid grade was 3.69, and PUG was 3.89. So R to P was $.56. that is getting up there. But sometimes at the Sunoco I use it is only about $.25 or so.
what really seems odd is why 89 octane isn't 1/2 way between the other 2, since I believe they just blend the 2 to create it!
@snakeweasel said:
While it is not for everyone the Model 3 can and will sell, there is a market for a 200 mile range EV.
That assumes a real 200 mile range. What happens when you run AC, heater, radio etc.? I briefly considered a Mitsu electric but the real world range just wouldn't accommodate my 50 mile average daily commute.
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50 miles/day is way past my comfort level for an EV. When I was going to my office, it was about 3 miles of stop and go down the road, so perfect for that.
I've also seen the differential jump from $0.20 to close to $0.40 on RUG to PUG. IMHO, it's because RUG is more of a commodity item than PUG. People who use but don't need PUG can drop down. Those of us with vehicles that require PUG don't have a choice.
As for the extra cost, over 9+ years and 115K miles, I've spent an extra $12 a month for premium in my Passat using $0.25 differential.
Mike, your example is exactly why I took my SS the minute it was available. Right now I can enjoy the extra money, tomorrow who knows.
I look at my parents as an example. When they were in their early to mid 60s they were active, traveled, golfed, you name it. 10 years later their health problems and age made them stay-at-homes. At that point they didn't need the money they had, let alone extra money.
As for my pension, I'm in my best earning years and since NYS calculates benefits on you best 36 consecutive months I'm banking money every day I keep working.
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"50 miles/day is way past my comfort level for an EV. When I was going to my office, it was about 3 miles of stop and go down the road, so perfect for that."
Having sufficient range in an EV is just part of the consideration, IMHO. Having a source of adequate electricity for proper charging is another.
I live in a condo development that has no external sources for charging an EV. Additionally, most destinations still do not have charging stations.
The Tesla full size vehicle has a range of about 300 miles +/-. Even with that range, there are many prospective car buyers who have no access to a 220v source.
I would definitely consider a Tesla if I had sufficient range and a charging source. Until and/or unless I can tap a source for the charge, I am forced to purchase cars that burn gasoline.
@driver100 said:
If you are completely bored with absolutely nothing to do you can watch this guy who hooked up his truck so he can get 200 miles on a few gas fumes.
Man, if I combine that with the Tornado, can I get 400mpg?
And here manufacturers are spending millions developing direct injection when all they needed to do was make a $10 gasoline bong for their cars.
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"If you are completely bored with absolutely nothing to do you can watch this guy who hooked up his truck so he can get 200 miles on a few gas fumes."
I guess we have to go back to carburetors. I saw a post from someone who said, "...if you disappear, we'll know why..."! There are two possibilities - he either blew himself up or the oil companies did him in.
Farmer, so far he likes it. All excited to be getting his first real apartment set up. And yes, he looked at mapquest before going and knows where all the courses are. Just needs to find people to play with, though entirely possible he will just go over and play as a single fill-in some weekday when he is off.
and no, not me on 85. Careening down Western? Well, maybe...
Hey, you can hire my kid if you need farm hands. One day while he was still crashing in A'dam, my SILs BIL hired him to help load hay bales into the barn (they have the farm on the hill). 4 hours of moving 60# bales off the wagon into the elevator. Said it was the toughest $40 he ever made! Tough way to make a living, but he did get a workout at least.
@qbrozen said:And here manufacturers are spending millions developing direct injection when all they needed to do was make a $10 gasoline bong for their cars.
LOL....and that guy may have had one too many bongs himself.
@stickguy said:
Farmer, so far he likes it. All excited to be getting his first real apartment set up. And yes, he looked at mapquest before going and knows where all the courses are. Just needs to find people to play with, though entirely possible he will just go over and play as a single fill-in some weekday when he is off.
and no, not me on 85. Careening down Western? Well, maybe...
Hey, you can hire my kid if you need farm hands. One day while he was still crashing in A'dam, my SILs BIL hired him to help load hay bales into the barn (they have the farm on the hill). 4 hours of moving 60# bales off the wagon into the elevator. Said it was the toughest $40 he ever made! Tough way to make a living, but he did get a workout at least.
Ha ha I'm surprised he lasted 4 hours. If he really wants torture I have a friend who's picking peaches right now. They say it's like being covered in needles and wrapped in a blanket of fleas and fire ants.
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Isn't the A3 based off the Golf platform? So it's a tarted up Golf, not Jetta.
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From what I've read M3s are the holy grail of BMWs. That's a lot of money for a 16 year old car that promises to be an expensive repair bill. But if you are a fan money doesn't matter.
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That generation M3 is a bit of an odball; the US version got a hopped up version of the standard engine rather than a true ///M motor.What hurts this car in my eyes is the slushbox and the droptop. As far as repair expense goes, not a lot goes wrong with that vintage, and the fact that the motor is rather plebeian is a bit of an advantage. Suspension bushings and the cooling system are the the main areas that will eventually need attention, but the droptop and slushbox hold the potential for some annoying issues. I think the price is on the low side, actually...
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I believe there is a better fixed planned, but, for now, GM/Cadillac wants you to take certain precautions. Maybe they should offer special spongy knee pads so you don't hit the key with your knee.
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" Maybe they should offer special spongy knee pads so you don't hit the key with your knee."
I thought Cadillac uses push-button start. I guess it's not available in all their models.
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I am so truly sorry about the untimely death of your daughter. You are in my thoughts and prayers.
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When I see such things, I am always reminded of this news story from 20 years ago:
I missed that bit of spam, Edmunds must have deleted it.
I'd also like to see the State Farm pop up that's constantly at the bottom of the screen taken off. Annoying.
In my opinion, when an advertisement become obtrusive like that, it actually chases customers away.
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"I missed that bit of spam, Edmunds must have deleted it."
She (Dominique) was pushing a membership in a company like AAA for roadside assistance and breakdowns. And yes, they deleted it.
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Mike - sorry to hear of your loss. Yes it is gut wrenching to lose a child. As I noted recently, we lost a dear friend to breast cancer and she left behind a 17, 13 and 10 YO.
Ethanol is also a replacement for MTBE which was used as an oxygenator for years in gasoline. But it's also a horribly toxic chemical.
Quebecois love the southern end of Maine for vacations. Old Orchard Beach, Kennebunk, Portland et al are popular spots. Maine is far enough away but close enough for them. But they need to leave their fashion sense behind. There ain't nothing pretty about a hairy, rotund guy strutting around the beach in a Speedo.
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You would think that with Quebecers French fashion sense they would know better than that. I hope they don't wear Birkenstocks with socks....what a fashion faux pas!
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You are confusing Montrealers with Quebecois - there's a difference. Montrealers are fashion savvy. Quebecois tend to jorts, sleeveless shirts and Carling Black Label.....at least in my experience.
Sorry for your loss, Mike. We can only hope she has gone where the roads are all smooth, the lights all green, and the drive-thru's always get your order right.
Excellent review! The red car in that photo is what they bought.
I sat in it and I was impressed by the fit and finish. It isn't much bigger inside than a Civic but for them it'll fit the bill!
To each his own I guess but I've never driven one so I wouldn't know. Wonder what that 1998 finally sold for?
Speaking of M type BMWs I saw a M6 convertible pass me on the way home today. Looked nice. What's your opinion of those?
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What great, thoughtful insight, rbirns. Thanks - most inspiring!
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@abacomike - extremely sorry to hear of your loss. My thoughts are with you and your family.
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> RE: An EV with 200 mile range:
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> But that's like saying "plugging it in is the convenient way of overcoming the inconvenience". Why buy a problem just because you can solve it?
That's like saying that stopping at a gas station and filling it up is a convenient way to overcome the inconvenience of running out of gas.
Tell me, how often do you drive more than 200 miles on a day?
Plugging and unplugging the car once or twice a week in my garage will take much less time than the time I would spend stopping at a gas station and filling up every 10 days or so.
Here is one reason I think 200 miles works. If I had a Leaf and left for work Friday morning fully charged and did my round trip commute and when I got home my wife said "Lets go to downtown Chicago for dinner" I could drive the Leaf downtown but I would have to find a charging station to charge up for the trip home (not a hard thing to do). With a 200 mile range I could commute round trip for the entire week and still make the round trip to downtown on Friday without recharging.
Now it is my understanding that Nissan is considering a battery upgrade option to double the range of the leaf but at a price that comes close to the Model 3 estimated price. So if that can fly so will the Model 3.
While it is not for everyone the Model 3 can and will sell, there is a market for a 200 mile range EV.
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the problem to me isn't the fact you normally don't do 200 miles in 1 day. It is that you never can.
Now, if you are looking at an EV as purely a 2nd/commuter car (always around town, to the station, short hops) with a 2nd car available for any travel or longer drives, then you can make a case for it. But there is no way I am planning on one for an out of town/longer trip.
how about a nice portable generator on a trailer? Just hook that up and charge as you go!
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They already thought of that...it's called a hybrid !
My thought is to use those 200 mile batteries with a hybrid like the Prius or Camry...or put a small gasoline engine in the Tesla.
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> I'm sorry, but I simply just do not see the reason for all the hand-wringing over a car that uses premium. Lets say that you drive 15,000 mile/year and your car gets 28 mpg. You'll use 536 gallons every year. Assuming the delta between regular and premium is 30 cents/gallon will mean that using premium will cost you an extra $161/year- _a whopping 44 cents per day_.
> Oh the horror
Be careful with rationalizing like that, 44 cents a day here, 44 cents a day there will add up. That 161 a year invested getting a nominal return can become well over 12K at retirement, maybe much much more properly invested.
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Mike, my deepest sympathies to you and yours. I know it must be hard for you right now and I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. .
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Thanks, snake - I appreciate your kind words.
@Kirsti:
Thanks, Kirstie, for your thoughts.
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I came to the same conclusion as did you, snake, about 6 months ago. Additionally, I choose gas "brands" using the same philosophy and extrapolation. As an example, if Costco is selling their premium grade for 18 cents a gallon less than my Chevron station, I choose the Chevron station over Costco. Remember, the only credit card company that is accepted at Costco is American Express down here. American Express does not consider Costco a Gasoline Station, for some reason - thus I get no cash back.
On the other hand, my Chase and Discover cards are accepted at Chevron stations and I get a minimum of 1% back on each purchase. So that drops the cost of the gas by 4 cents. Twice a year (July 1-Sept. 30 and again Jan. 1 - March 30) I get 5% back on each purchase, which makes buying Chevron even better than Costco.
But to get back to your comments about using a lower octane gas because of pricing - it really is insignificant when you consider the difference.
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> the problem to me isn't the fact you normally don't do 200 miles in 1 day. It is that you never can.
They have this new thing to cover that, it's called rental cars.
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Speaking of taking Social Security and Pension Benefits sooner than full retirement age, I took both my Illinois Pension and Social Security Pension a bit early.
I took my Illinois Pension starting at age 62, or 3 years sooner than full retirement. I figured it out that I would break even at age 71, and then I would begin losing ground after that. I reach 71 in October of 2015. So, I've been collecting retirement benefits for quite some time and COLA increases each year, as well.
For Social Security, I took it at age 64, or 2 years earlier. The way the SSA figured out for me, I would break even at age 74.
So for me, earlier retirement made sense since I have quite a few health issues and don't expect to live to be 80 or 85.
The increases in Social Security over the past 4 years has been meager, if anything. Food prices have been rising at 8-10% per year but my increases in SS have been 1-2%. The way they figure COLA increases for SS is somewhat mind-boggling.
Early retirement options are good depending upon the break-even age. In my case, it was better to retire a few years earlier than to wait since I had to care for my Dad and could not work.
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Mike: My heart is absolutely broken for you and your family. But, my thoughts are with you. Better days ahead.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Thanks very much for this info. That's pretty good mileage, especially if she uses regular gas. I would be probably interested in the same model - base model with no tech pkg.
Mike, I'm so sorry about your daughter. Even though I don't know you, I have enjoyed reading your posts. It's a terrible thing for a parent to outlive a child. Both of my parents outlived one of my sisters, and my mother outlived my other sister. They were as sad as I ever saw them during that time. Your family will be in my prayers.
Speaking of mpg, my wife followed me up to ny last Friday ( I was driving a rental truck). So our normal route, but slower. Mostly highway, just at 62-65 vs. the normal 73-75 or so. When we arrived, the RDX TC was sitting right at 32 for the 250 mile trip. I got about 29 coming back at normal speeds, and 28-29 is about the best I can usually do on that trip up.
But man you get whiplash watching cars fly by! And it does take longer.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
> Speaking of mpg, my wife followed me up to ny last Friday ( I was driving a rental truck). So our normal route, but slower. Mostly highway, just at 62-65 vs. the normal 73-75 or so. When we arrived, the RDX TC was sitting right at 32 for the 250 mile trip. I got about 29 coming back at normal speeds, and 28-29 is about the best I can usually do on that trip up.
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> But man you get whiplash watching cars fly by! And it does take longer.
This past weekend we went to mackinac island going up there we didn't have much time to spare so we took the fastest most direct route which was almost all interstate. Speed limit was 70 and we were doing maybe 77 or 78 (faster than most but slower than alot) and we registered 30.6 MPG. On the way back we stayed closer to the lakefront keeping on two lane back roads for about half the trip back. Keeping a speed of 60 outside of the towns with occasional stop and go traffic in the towns we got 33.7 MPG up until we got back on the interstate and increased our speed to 70 - 75 and the MPG started to drop. By the time we got home we were at about 32.3 MPG.
10%+ better milage at 60, and a bit more relaxing drive.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
one problem with the slow route is that in many cases, including the trip I was on, it doesn't really exist. unless you want to turn a 4 hour trip into an 8 hour one!
so the option is to just drive slow on the same highway. Nothing relaxing or scenic about that!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
But it pales in comparison to other expenses connected with a vehicle purchase- depreciation, options, etc. And it is especially laughable when those complaining are flipping new cars every 2-4 years...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
We purchased a new 2008 Passat, with the 2.0T engine. The owner’s manual, and the decal on the fuel filler door recommended 91 octane. The dealer said regular, 87 octane was fine. I spent quite a few hours researching this, reading other opinions out on the various VW and other model specific forums. I decided that I felt better about running the premium fuel, and we did so.
103,000 miles over the course of 6 years. Overall mpg average was close to 25, so 4,120 gallons of gas. Sometimes premium was 20 cents per gallon higher, sometimes 30 cents. So call it an average of 25 cents per gallon. 4,120 gallons times 25 cents more per gallon, comes to $1,030. Divide that by 72 months, it cost us $14.30 per month, and I always felt good about my decision.
As roadburner said just above, compared with depreciation this is NOT a big deal.
the price delta drives me nuts. Always used to be about $.10 per step. now, it seems to be much bigger.
I got gas yesterday at Exxon. RUG was 3.33. mid grade was 3.69, and PUG was 3.89. So R to P was $.56. that is getting up there. But sometimes at the Sunoco I use it is only about $.25 or so.
what really seems odd is why 89 octane isn't 1/2 way between the other 2, since I believe they just blend the 2 to create it!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
That assumes a real 200 mile range. What happens when you run AC, heater, radio etc.? I briefly considered a Mitsu electric but the real world range just wouldn't accommodate my 50 mile average daily commute.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
50 miles/day is way past my comfort level for an EV. When I was going to my office, it was about 3 miles of stop and go down the road, so perfect for that.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I've also seen the differential jump from $0.20 to close to $0.40 on RUG to PUG. IMHO, it's because RUG is more of a commodity item than PUG. People who use but don't need PUG can drop down. Those of us with vehicles that require PUG don't have a choice.
As for the extra cost, over 9+ years and 115K miles, I've spent an extra $12 a month for premium in my Passat using $0.25 differential.
If you are completely bored with absolutely nothing to do you can watch this guy who hooked up his truck so he can get 200 miles on a few gas fumes.
Josh Lineberry's Old Truck gets 200 mpg on just fumes...better than an electric!
People love this video.
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Mike, your example is exactly why I took my SS the minute it was available. Right now I can enjoy the extra money, tomorrow who knows.
I look at my parents as an example. When they were in their early to mid 60s they were active, traveled, golfed, you name it. 10 years later their health problems and age made them stay-at-homes. At that point they didn't need the money they had, let alone extra money.
As for my pension, I'm in my best earning years and since NYS calculates benefits on you best 36 consecutive months I'm banking money every day I keep working.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Stick, was that you swerving all over in a U Haul? I told you to stay off Rt. 85.
How's the kid enjoying Albany? Has he found the golf course about a mile down New Scotland Ave.?
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
"50 miles/day is way past my comfort level for an EV. When I was going to my office, it was about 3 miles of stop and go down the road, so perfect for that."
Having sufficient range in an EV is just part of the consideration, IMHO. Having a source of adequate electricity for proper charging is another.
I live in a condo development that has no external sources for charging an EV. Additionally, most destinations still do not have charging stations.
The Tesla full size vehicle has a range of about 300 miles +/-. Even with that range, there are many prospective car buyers who have no access to a 220v source.
I would definitely consider a Tesla if I had sufficient range and a charging source. Until and/or unless I can tap a source for the charge, I am forced to purchase cars that burn gasoline.
2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger
Man, if I combine that with the Tornado, can I get 400mpg?
And here manufacturers are spending millions developing direct injection when all they needed to do was make a $10 gasoline bong for their cars.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
"If you are completely bored with absolutely nothing to do you can watch this guy who hooked up his truck so he can get 200 miles on a few gas fumes."
I guess we have to go back to carburetors. I saw a post from someone who said, "...if you disappear, we'll know why..."! There are two possibilities - he either blew himself up or the oil companies did him in.
2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger
Farmer, so far he likes it. All excited to be getting his first real apartment set up. And yes, he looked at mapquest before going and knows where all the courses are. Just needs to find people to play with, though entirely possible he will just go over and play as a single fill-in some weekday when he is off.
and no, not me on 85. Careening down Western? Well, maybe...
Hey, you can hire my kid if you need farm hands. One day while he was still crashing in A'dam, my SILs BIL hired him to help load hay bales into the barn (they have the farm on the hill). 4 hours of moving 60# bales off the wagon into the elevator. Said it was the toughest $40 he ever made! Tough way to make a living, but he did get a workout at least.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
LOL....and that guy may have had one too many bongs himself.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Ha ha I'm surprised he lasted 4 hours. If he really wants torture I have a friend who's picking peaches right now. They say it's like being covered in needles and wrapped in a blanket of fleas and fire ants.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
well, maybe he could were the clean room suit he has to wear in the lab. Might be hot, but certainly covers you up!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.