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oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

Mrs D just showed me her cell phone activity for January. It lists how many miles she walked, how many she drove, which stores she visited, what towns she has been in, how much time she spent walking or in a car, and a bunch of other stuff. Now that is scary!

The Chinese will be happy to know that.

dino001

snakeweasel said:

The rotary engine was superior in the fact that it had fewer parts so it was easier and less expensive to repair and it put out more power per displacement. However it had poorer fuel economy than cars with equal power, burned oil (by design it had to) and had very bad emissions.

I remember hearing that it also required rotating piston seal overhaul as part of a normal maintenance much sooner than reciprocating piston engines and many owners were not aware or not prepared to do that, resulting in frequent "fatigue" blowups.

andres3

ab348 said:

explorerx4 said:

...unless you are provided with professional courtesy.

That's not going to happen. The kind of violation I described (30mph+ over) is classified as "stunting" (such a dumb name) in our legislation and the police agencies not only like writing those tickets but all of them here make a big deal out of publicizing each and every one of them with news releases and social media posts. It's almost like they won the lottery. Maybe they receive a piece of the revenue directly, I don't know.

You've seen videos of Canadian police ticketing other law enforcement agency employees for this? Otherwise, I'm betting there's a lot of professional courtesy for the special few that are in the club.

omarman

My sister bought a new 1974 Mazda station wagon. Can't remember for sure but think it was RX4. It was pretty quick for an automatic trans small wagon, got 12 mpg according to her and it backfired from the day she got until traded it in a year later. I still remember that car had the thinnest door panels I'd ever seen. Compared to that my cousin's Pinto was built like a tank!

andres3

tjc78 said:

ab348 said:

explorerx4 said:

...unless you are provided with professional courtesy.

That's not going to happen. The kind of violation I described (30mph+ over) is classified as "stunting" (such a dumb name) in our legislation and the police agencies not only like writing those tickets but all of them here make a big deal out of publicizing each and every one of them with news releases and social media posts. It's almost like they won the lottery. Maybe they receive a piece of the revenue directly, I don't know.

That’s only the ones they publish. How many of them were taken down to lesser tickets? Most officers if they pull over someone who has a clean record and doesn’t act like a jerk get some sort of break.

They've even given yours truly a "break," if you consider a lesser speed a break, which I personally don't. A warning is a break; which means no ticket at all.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

I got an email with all of these things about what the future will be like......
Basic auto repair shops will disappear. A gas/diesel engine has 20,000 individual parts. An electrical motor has only 20 parts. Electric cars are sold with lifetime guarantees and are repaired only by dealers. It takes only 10 minutes to remove and replace an electric motor.

20 parts to break down instead of 20,000....something to think about.

I can see the end of indie shops already with so many proprietary tools and software codes. But with only 20 parts how will the dealers screw you over or upsell you useless garbage?

I am sure those 20 parts will be major ones that will be costly to replace. Also interesting though, they won't need mechanics or technicians.....robots will change the parts.

It is true, indie repair shops turn down repair jobs these days if they don't have the proper proprietary equipment, I think that was something MB and BMW also invented....proprietary repair equipment.

oldfarmer50

Not everyone is capable of handling a car at high speeds.....



Or even at 30mph.

andres3

dino001 said:

The fastest I went was around 135 mph . It was a German Autobahn, so it was actually legal, Sunday morning, pretty empty. I slowed down when got to a bend. I drove on German Autobahns for a couple of weeks. I was generally comfortable and fairly relaxed up to 90-95 mph, after which my body started tightening up. At 100-110 mph it was getting exhausting in a hurry. I wasn't able to go like that for hours, too much tension.

How long ago? Also, what were you driving? I bet your current car would be less tension-inducing at 100 MPH.

driver100

dino001 said:

The fastest I went was around 135 mph . It was a German Autobahn, so it was actually legal, Sunday morning, pretty empty. I slowed down when got to a bend. I drove on German Autobahns for a couple of weeks. I was generally comfortable and fairly relaxed up to 90-95 mph, after which my body started tightening up. At 100-110 mph it was getting exhausting in a hurry. I wasn't able to go like that for hours, too much tension.

That is seldom mentioned....driving at 100+ mph requires a lot of concentration as things happen quickly, and braking and steering maneuvers become more critical. Is it worth it....probably more prone to getting a heart attack sooner too.

andres3

omarman said:

@andres3
Lastly, who's saying deaths went up in 2020? I wasn't able to find anything on that yet, only that 2019 was again, another safer year than the past, which has been the trend almost every year for decades now.

I probably should have emphasized the part of my post stating, NHTSA won't have the full numbers until later in the year but traffic deaths went up despite covid lockdowns in 2020.

Traffic deaths rose 0.6% during the first-quarter of 2020, but they fell 1.1% in the second quarter as coronavirus lockdowns restricted movement. Fatalities spiked 13.1% from July through September, the agency said. Risky driving: US traffic deaths up despite virus lockdowns. link to AP January 13, 2021

I saw and read that now emphasized part, but you still made the claim that traffic deaths were up, and that's contrary to other reports I've seen. Thanks for posting your source article though. I like to dissect it.

Outstandingly irrefutable statements like "“We think the big culprit is speeding,” said Jonathan Adkins, executive director of the Governors Highway Safety Association." Good to know he thinks it, sad to say he doesn't KNOW IT.

Let's wait until all the 2020 numbers are completely in before we start analyzing it with a pre-conceived agenda would be a better tact for these "officials."

The usual suspects for fatalities are mentioned in the article, but as usual, the NHTSA doesn't' give them any blame and or ignores them:

Quoting " Also, a study found that 65% of drivers treated at trauma centers who were hurt in serious crashes had drugs or alcohol in their systems last year. It was 50.6% before the pandemic, NHTSA said. The agency also said fewer people are wearing seat belts." Back to drunks and idiots that don't wear their seat belts as causes, but we'll "think" it's the speeding anyway, despite what the data and figures consistently show.

2-5% is the real figure for speed itself being even remotely related to collision causation. Unless you think 95% of the public drives drunk, or runs from the cops in a high speed chase, or without a seat belt 100% of the time.

andres3

driver100 said:

dino001 said:

The fastest I went was around 135 mph . It was a German Autobahn, so it was actually legal, Sunday morning, pretty empty. I slowed down when got to a bend. I drove on German Autobahns for a couple of weeks. I was generally comfortable and fairly relaxed up to 90-95 mph, after which my body started tightening up. At 100-110 mph it was getting exhausting in a hurry. I wasn't able to go like that for hours, too much tension.

That is seldom mentioned....driving at 100+ mph requires a lot of concentration as things happen quickly, and braking and steering maneuvers become more critical. Is it worth it....probably more prone to getting a heart attack sooner too.

Now that's a new one. I'll tell the NMA to start a study researching how many heart attacks are caused by going 100 MPH vs. how many heart attacks are caused by real and/or perceived speed traps and patrols and pull-overs for citations along the highway.

Seeing a CHP vehicle within "seeing distance" makes my blood pressure rise more than 100 MPH. Remember, most high speed limited highways have multiple lanes to choose from and you need not drive the maximum posted speed at all times.

fintail

It's a thing in off-the-beaten-path WA areas that you're much more likely to get a warning if you are local - out of towners help quotas and revenues, the bennies need help too.

tjc78 said:

That’s only the ones they publish. How many of them were taken down to lesser tickets? Most officers if they pull over someone who has a clean record and doesn’t act like a jerk get some sort of break.

dino001

andres3 said:

dino001 said:

The fastest I went was around 135 mph . It was a German Autobahn, so it was actually legal, Sunday morning, pretty empty. I slowed down when got to a bend. I drove on German Autobahns for a couple of weeks. I was generally comfortable and fairly relaxed up to 90-95 mph, after which my body started tightening up. At 100-110 mph it was getting exhausting in a hurry. I wasn't able to go like that for hours, too much tension.

How long ago? Also, what were you driving? I bet your current car would be less tension-inducing at 100 MPH.

It was 2012 BMW 328 with Sports Package. The problem was not handling, it is maintaining proper level of concentration and predicting next obstacle. Anybody who claims they can see around the bend and/or is able to react properly and safely to unexpected events at those speeds on a public road is full of $#%^@, period. Doesn't matter if they're trying to full others or themselves, anybody acting on such belief is a menace to society. Children can claim they can fly, adults should know better.

fintail

I once drove a rented 7er from Nuremberg to Wolfsburg and then to northern Switzerland with many long stretches of unrestricted Autobahn - spent periods at 120-140 mph, as drivers there can fathom lane discipline. It required focus, but that was fun! Having a capable car also does a lot. I remember pacing a guy on a motorcycle, iat about 120 mph - I was in an X5. I think he was trying to shake me Also, top down at 100 mph when the temperature is about 2C is an experience as well.

I've been in the 200 kmh club every time I've driven in Germany, save for a day behind the wheel of a MB E200 diesel, as I don't think it could cruise that fast - it could move along at 100 mph no problem though. 0-60 felt like the fintail, this bottom of the line E-class was almost charming with its cloth interior and somewhat basic spec.

dino001 said:

The fastest I went was around 135 mph . It was a German Autobahn, so it was actually legal, Sunday morning, pretty empty. I slowed down when got to a bend. I drove on German Autobahns for a couple of weeks. I was generally comfortable and fairly relaxed up to 90-95 mph, after which my body started tightening up. At 100-110 mph it was getting exhausting in a hurry. I wasn't able to go like that for hours, too much tension.

driver100

We were on the Autobahn a few years ago on a bus. I would estimate the bus was going about 80 mph, some cars were passing going about 100 mph possibly more. But a few times there were situations, once a slow moving car merged in front of the bus and he had to slow down to avoid a collision.......going 100 mph + even on the Autobahn requires extra concentration.

tjc78

I want to drive the Autobahn one day.

tjc78

Another wonderful place to see some speed is through Montana during nice weather.

Wow, you have some fun. (So I’ve heard).

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

omarman said:

@driver100 I was just wondering if that 80% was an apples to apples comparison with the percentage in the Justice Dept quote. Whenever I hear my nephew vent his frustration with math statistics I remember the way Lewis Carroll described the four branches of arithmetic as "ambition, distraction, uglification and derision."

@dino001 The Bobby cop history is significant right down to the blue uniform chosen so that people could easily tell police apart from soldiers. But now we see more troop deployment to police civil unrest on both sides of the pond.

And on the topic of statistics, NHTSA won't have the full numbers until later in the year but traffic deaths went up despite covid lockdowns in 2020. Hmm. Empty highways. Less enforcement.

In Ohio, state troopers have issued 2,200 tickets since April [2020] for driving more than 100 mph, a 61% increase over the same time period a year ago. The highest ticketed speed was 147 mph in the Cincinnati area.

YOU HAVE to be VERY CAREFUL with the NHTSA. They are good data gatherers, but then they do back flips and cartwheels in summarizing the data with the propaganda they send out to the public.

Take this website of the NHTSA: https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/speeding

Click on the 2nd round dot in the blue box. So 48% of the fatalities they blame on speed were REALLY truthfully caused by "failure to wear a seatbelt idiots."

Unless you believe 48% of the driving public at all times is not wearing a seat belt; you have to see my point here.

I'm shocked they still have this up on the front page of their speed risks web site. I've been educating all who will listen on this for a while now. They did take down the high percentage of drunks that speed that cause fatalities. They didn't stop counting them to blame speed, but they took drunks out of the blue box (was around 37%).

Lastly, who's saying deaths went up in 2020? I wasn't able to find anything on that yet, only that 2019 was again, another safer year than the past, which has been the trend almost every year for decades now.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/2019-fatality-data-traffic-deaths-2020-q2-projections

Sorry that's not what it says, it says "speeding drivers in fatal crashes in 2018 who were not wearing seatbelts", it does not state that 48% of speed deaths were really caused by not wearing seatbelts. It gives no indication of if those deaths were not caused by, or partially caused by, or fully caused by not wearing seatbelts. Please don't play fast and loose with the facts while claiming others are.

You are the only one playing fast and loose with the facts here.

If you say so but my interpretation is far more logical based on the facts.

andres3 said:

In CA I know we have over a 97% compliance rate with seat belt laws. Knowing that, I know the NHTSA's claim that 48% of deaths is caused by speeding (where they just so happened to not be wearing a seat belt) to be bogus. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that if 3% of the sample is creating 48% of the deaths, there is a strong causal correlation to that identifying factor, and it isn't the "OTHER" factor that has been shown to have NO CORRELATION at all.

Any unbiased person here sees the absurdity of the NHTSA here.

The other lesson here is that seat belts save lives. Buckle up for safety!

A few things to take into consideration. First is that someone breaking a law is far more likely to break a similar law. So someone who excessively speeds is more likely not to wear a seatbelt, the percentages presented does support that. Secondly there is no relationship between correlation and cause and effect. Finally the factor that you say has no correlation there is a correlation.

But I really don't believe you will accept those facts.

snakeweasel

dino001 said:

snakeweasel said:

The rotary engine was superior in the fact that it had fewer parts so it was easier and less expensive to repair and it put out more power per displacement. However it had poorer fuel economy than cars with equal power, burned oil (by design it had to) and had very bad emissions.

I remember hearing that it also required rotating piston seal overhaul as part of a normal maintenance much sooner than reciprocating piston engines and many owners were not aware or not prepared to do that, resulting in frequent "fatigue" blowups.

OK I have to.

https://youtu.be/oHzeGEHWMjo

driver100

Great ad!

explorerx4

@driver100,
except the boing boing engines are still around, rotary nope.

ab348

If we can't get a "mute user" function here, as a runner-up choice it would be great to get a "mute word" function to not see posts containing certain terms. "BMW", "Hoovie", and "dishwasher" would go a long way.

jmonroe1

ab348 said:

If we can't get a "mute user" function here, as a runner-up choice it would be great to get a "mute word" function to not see posts containing certain terms. "BMW", "Hoovie", and "dishwasher" would go a long way.

What’s wrong with “dishwasher”? :@

jmonroe

andres3

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

omarman said:

@driver100 I was just wondering if that 80% was an apples to apples comparison with the percentage in the Justice Dept quote. Whenever I hear my nephew vent his frustration with math statistics I remember the way Lewis Carroll described the four branches of arithmetic as "ambition, distraction, uglification and derision."

@dino001 The Bobby cop history is significant right down to the blue uniform chosen so that people could easily tell police apart from soldiers. But now we see more troop deployment to police civil unrest on both sides of the pond.

And on the topic of statistics, NHTSA won't have the full numbers until later in the year but traffic deaths went up despite covid lockdowns in 2020. Hmm. Empty highways. Less enforcement.

In Ohio, state troopers have issued 2,200 tickets since April [2020] for driving more than 100 mph, a 61% increase over the same time period a year ago. The highest ticketed speed was 147 mph in the Cincinnati area.

YOU HAVE to be VERY CAREFUL with the NHTSA. They are good data gatherers, but then they do back flips and cartwheels in summarizing the data with the propaganda they send out to the public.

Take this website of the NHTSA: https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/speeding

Click on the 2nd round dot in the blue box. So 48% of the fatalities they blame on speed were REALLY truthfully caused by "failure to wear a seatbelt idiots."

Unless you believe 48% of the driving public at all times is not wearing a seat belt; you have to see my point here.

I'm shocked they still have this up on the front page of their speed risks web site. I've been educating all who will listen on this for a while now. They did take down the high percentage of drunks that speed that cause fatalities. They didn't stop counting them to blame speed, but they took drunks out of the blue box (was around 37%).

Lastly, who's saying deaths went up in 2020? I wasn't able to find anything on that yet, only that 2019 was again, another safer year than the past, which has been the trend almost every year for decades now.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/2019-fatality-data-traffic-deaths-2020-q2-projections

Sorry that's not what it says, it says "speeding drivers in fatal crashes in 2018 who were not wearing seatbelts", it does not state that 48% of speed deaths were really caused by not wearing seatbelts. It gives no indication of if those deaths were not caused by, or partially caused by, or fully caused by not wearing seatbelts. Please don't play fast and loose with the facts while claiming others are.

You are the only one playing fast and loose with the facts here.

If you say so but my interpretation is far more logical based on the facts.

andres3 said:

In CA I know we have over a 97% compliance rate with seat belt laws. Knowing that, I know the NHTSA's claim that 48% of deaths is caused by speeding (where they just so happened to not be wearing a seat belt) to be bogus. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that if 3% of the sample is creating 48% of the deaths, there is a strong causal correlation to that identifying factor, and it isn't the "OTHER" factor that has been shown to have NO CORRELATION at all.

Any unbiased person here sees the absurdity of the NHTSA here.

The other lesson here is that seat belts save lives. Buckle up for safety!

A few things to take into consideration. First is that someone breaking a law is far more likely to break a similar law. So someone who excessively speeds is more likely not to wear a seatbelt, the percentages presented does support that. Secondly there is no relationship between correlation and cause and effect. Finally the factor that you say has no correlation there is a correlation.

But I really don't believe you will accept those facts.

You know better than that. No matter how much you repeat the lie, you know that there is absolutely no correlation between speed and fatalities. Many have tried to show it, and all have failed into a retreat of "it's complicated and not direct." The biased agencies that have this preconceived notion will make all sorts of crazy assumptions and presumptions to fit the junk and garbage into their mold, including assuming crash frequency is irrelevant or doesn't matter, or assuming a crash is inevitable.

Your world view is not based on facts, you just regurgitate what the NHTSA states and claim it as fact. You make no logical analysis of what you read. Sometimes, you have to be critical of what you read, even if it's on the internet

If you want to believe that the speed limit has a 97% compliance rate similar to that of the seat belt law, go right ahead in your fantasy world. I don't think anyone here is buying it. Your theory that someone willing to break the speed limit law is more willing to break other laws is ridiculous at best. For one, most people don't view the speed limit as a justified law. Lastly, the data doesn't bear that out at all. Not everyone in prison has a traffic rap sheet.

Often, the ones that should be sent to prison for their negligent driving have a spotless record.

If the data showed a 97% compliance rate with speed limits, you'd have a foundationally logical argument, but unfortunately, your castle crumbles into nonsense. Anyone here who's driven on the freeway knows 97% compliance with the speed limit is an absurd assumption and presumption at best.

Even when speed limits are correctly set by objective engineering standards using the 85th percentile, by definition at any given time 15% of the population will be law breaking speeders. You are saying even worse than 15% is making up the data set of non-seat belt wearers? Not buying it. Too many speed limits are set way below the 85th.

andres3

driver100 said:

We were on the Autobahn a few years ago on a bus. I would estimate the bus was going about 80 mph, some cars were passing going about 100 mph possibly more. But a few times there were situations, once a slow moving car merged in front of the bus and he had to slow down to avoid a collision.......going 100 mph + even on the Autobahn requires extra concentration.

I pretty much given any speed above 50 MPH the same level of concentration. Driving in CA safely requires the same level of concentration at 50 MPH as it does at 100 MPH. Lack of concentration will lead to a greater frequency of collisions; guaranteed.

*My big assumption here is that traffic levels are appropriate for the speed driven. If you are passing cars left and right going 50 MPH at a delta of 50 MPH (100 MPH Total) that would be more fatiguing. But 100 MPH in an isolated straight flat highway is pretty smooth sailing.

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

ab348 said:

If we can't get a "mute user" function here, as a runner-up choice it would be great to get a "mute word" function to not see posts containing certain terms. "BMW", "Hoovie", and "dishwasher" would go a long way.

What’s wrong with “dishwasher”? :@

jmonroe

....or BMW?..............and what's a Hoovie, you mean a vacuum cleaner?

driver100

My scroller is getting worn out!

explorerx4

I might add Canadian's, but not sure.

cdnpinhead

driver100 said:

My scroller is getting worn out!

You need the industrial-grade water cooled one that I upgraded to for your posts.

roadburner

On my way back from my first BMW CCA O’fest I crossed most of PA at an average speed of 100 mph on a drizzly Sunday morning in my Bavaria. The OMstated that it would cruise a 120 mph but I didn’t want to press my luck- even with a Escort radar detector and a CB.
In the 2000 ALCAN I did average 120 mph for about 5 minutes on a dry stretch of road between Valdez and Fairbanks. I was a poker- my co-driver would average 100 mph. On ice.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

ab348 said:

If we can't get a "mute user" function here, as a runner-up choice it would be great to get a "mute word" function to not see posts containing certain terms. "BMW", "Hoovie", and "dishwasher" would go a long way.

What’s wrong with “dishwasher”? :@

jmonroe

....or BMW?..............and what's a Hoovie, you mean a vacuum cleaner?

No, I think he means a former FBI director.

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

omarman said:

@driver100 I was just wondering if that 80% was an apples to apples comparison with the percentage in the Justice Dept quote. Whenever I hear my nephew vent his frustration with math statistics I remember the way Lewis Carroll described the four branches of arithmetic as "ambition, distraction, uglification and derision."

@dino001 The Bobby cop history is significant right down to the blue uniform chosen so that people could easily tell police apart from soldiers. But now we see more troop deployment to police civil unrest on both sides of the pond.

And on the topic of statistics, NHTSA won't have the full numbers until later in the year but traffic deaths went up despite covid lockdowns in 2020. Hmm. Empty highways. Less enforcement.

In Ohio, state troopers have issued 2,200 tickets since April [2020] for driving more than 100 mph, a 61% increase over the same time period a year ago. The highest ticketed speed was 147 mph in the Cincinnati area.

YOU HAVE to be VERY CAREFUL with the NHTSA. They are good data gatherers, but then they do back flips and cartwheels in summarizing the data with the propaganda they send out to the public.

Take this website of the NHTSA: https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/speeding

Click on the 2nd round dot in the blue box. So 48% of the fatalities they blame on speed were REALLY truthfully caused by "failure to wear a seatbelt idiots."

Unless you believe 48% of the driving public at all times is not wearing a seat belt; you have to see my point here.

I'm shocked they still have this up on the front page of their speed risks web site. I've been educating all who will listen on this for a while now. They did take down the high percentage of drunks that speed that cause fatalities. They didn't stop counting them to blame speed, but they took drunks out of the blue box (was around 37%).

Lastly, who's saying deaths went up in 2020? I wasn't able to find anything on that yet, only that 2019 was again, another safer year than the past, which has been the trend almost every year for decades now.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/2019-fatality-data-traffic-deaths-2020-q2-projections

Sorry that's not what it says, it says "speeding drivers in fatal crashes in 2018 who were not wearing seatbelts", it does not state that 48% of speed deaths were really caused by not wearing seatbelts. It gives no indication of if those deaths were not caused by, or partially caused by, or fully caused by not wearing seatbelts. Please don't play fast and loose with the facts while claiming others are.

You are the only one playing fast and loose with the facts here.

If you say so but my interpretation is far more logical based on the facts.

andres3 said:

In CA I know we have over a 97% compliance rate with seat belt laws. Knowing that, I know the NHTSA's claim that 48% of deaths is caused by speeding (where they just so happened to not be wearing a seat belt) to be bogus. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that if 3% of the sample is creating 48% of the deaths, there is a strong causal correlation to that identifying factor, and it isn't the "OTHER" factor that has been shown to have NO CORRELATION at all.

Any unbiased person here sees the absurdity of the NHTSA here.

The other lesson here is that seat belts save lives. Buckle up for safety!

A few things to take into consideration. First is that someone breaking a law is far more likely to break a similar law. So someone who excessively speeds is more likely not to wear a seatbelt, the percentages presented does support that. Secondly there is no relationship between correlation and cause and effect. Finally the factor that you say has no correlation there is a correlation.

But I really don't believe you will accept those facts.

You know better than that. No matter how much you repeat the lie, you know that there is absolutely no correlation between speed and fatalities.

Please contact me privately, I have a wonderful deal for you. But please no checks, cash only.

explorerx4

Found this on YT, Ford Explorer 4.
I didn't have this generation, although I drove one a family member had.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOEOISUjoWc

stickguy

I watched a few episodes of VinWiki with the guys that did recent cannonball record runs. That is interesting to see what they have to do to average triple digits for 24 hours coast to coast. Lots of electronics, and a whole network or rabbits and spotters that they pick up. And they still get caught occasionally.

andres3

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

omarman said:

@driver100 I was just wondering if that 80% was an apples to apples comparison with the percentage in the Justice Dept quote. Whenever I hear my nephew vent his frustration with math statistics I remember the way Lewis Carroll described the four branches of arithmetic as "ambition, distraction, uglification and derision."

@dino001 The Bobby cop history is significant right down to the blue uniform chosen so that people could easily tell police apart from soldiers. But now we see more troop deployment to police civil unrest on both sides of the pond.

And on the topic of statistics, NHTSA won't have the full numbers until later in the year but traffic deaths went up despite covid lockdowns in 2020. Hmm. Empty highways. Less enforcement.

In Ohio, state troopers have issued 2,200 tickets since April [2020] for driving more than 100 mph, a 61% increase over the same time period a year ago. The highest ticketed speed was 147 mph in the Cincinnati area.

YOU HAVE to be VERY CAREFUL with the NHTSA. They are good data gatherers, but then they do back flips and cartwheels in summarizing the data with the propaganda they send out to the public.

Take this website of the NHTSA: https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/speeding

Click on the 2nd round dot in the blue box. So 48% of the fatalities they blame on speed were REALLY truthfully caused by "failure to wear a seatbelt idiots."

Unless you believe 48% of the driving public at all times is not wearing a seat belt; you have to see my point here.

I'm shocked they still have this up on the front page of their speed risks web site. I've been educating all who will listen on this for a while now. They did take down the high percentage of drunks that speed that cause fatalities. They didn't stop counting them to blame speed, but they took drunks out of the blue box (was around 37%).

Lastly, who's saying deaths went up in 2020? I wasn't able to find anything on that yet, only that 2019 was again, another safer year than the past, which has been the trend almost every year for decades now.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/2019-fatality-data-traffic-deaths-2020-q2-projections

Sorry that's not what it says, it says "speeding drivers in fatal crashes in 2018 who were not wearing seatbelts", it does not state that 48% of speed deaths were really caused by not wearing seatbelts. It gives no indication of if those deaths were not caused by, or partially caused by, or fully caused by not wearing seatbelts. Please don't play fast and loose with the facts while claiming others are.

You are the only one playing fast and loose with the facts here.

If you say so but my interpretation is far more logical based on the facts.

andres3 said:

In CA I know we have over a 97% compliance rate with seat belt laws. Knowing that, I know the NHTSA's claim that 48% of deaths is caused by speeding (where they just so happened to not be wearing a seat belt) to be bogus. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that if 3% of the sample is creating 48% of the deaths, there is a strong causal correlation to that identifying factor, and it isn't the "OTHER" factor that has been shown to have NO CORRELATION at all.

Any unbiased person here sees the absurdity of the NHTSA here.

The other lesson here is that seat belts save lives. Buckle up for safety!

A few things to take into consideration. First is that someone breaking a law is far more likely to break a similar law. So someone who excessively speeds is more likely not to wear a seatbelt, the percentages presented does support that. Secondly there is no relationship between correlation and cause and effect. Finally the factor that you say has no correlation there is a correlation.

But I really don't believe you will accept those facts.

You know better than that. No matter how much you repeat the lie, you know that there is absolutely no correlation between speed and fatalities.

Please contact me privately, I have a wonderful deal for you. But please no checks, cash only.

The Dodo bird is extinct.

imidazol97

driver100 said:

It is hard to predict the future.....whatever happened to those little personal helicopters we were all going to be flying?

It's HERE!!!!

Now at a local air national guard base for testing. $226,000 of Ohio taxpayer money subsidizing this.
As reported in the Dayton Daily Nothing.

I can just imagine the BMW and MB versions of this flying car. LOL

https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/photos-flying-car-arrives-at-springfield-airport/KVQRCVTZNZAQLCFJRI7OSBTXV4/?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=campaign_1974340

fintail

If I found a nice one of those cheap like a moving/estate sale, I'd snap it up - really rare cars, quite collectible now, and interesting tech, if not prone to endless issues and would probably rust even here. I also like the "Rotary Wagon" badge.

snakeweasel said:

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OK I have to.

driver100

My scroller is getting worn out!

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

It is hard to predict the future.....whatever happened to those little personal helicopters we were all going to be flying?

It's HERE!!!!

Now at a local air national guard base for testing. $226,000 of Ohio taxpayer money subsidizing this.
As reported in the Dayton Daily Nothing.

I can just imagine the BMW and MB versions of this flying car. LOL

This Mercedes car looks much better;

or this one;

fintail

Sounds like simple Google timeline tracking - it can be switched off (well, not really, but your ability to see the data can be switched off) - if you're using a mobile phone, your location and history can always be tracked, fact of life. Not sure I trust Google or Amazon etc any more than an app with Chinese, or lately, Russian sponsorship. Personally, I don't worry about that, I am not an important person, and don't do anything worth looking at. Being worried about it branches into tinfoil hat territory, IMHO.

driver100 said:

Mrs D just showed me her cell phone activity for January. It lists how many miles she walked, how many she drove, which stores she visited, what towns she has been in, how much time she spent walking or in a car, and a bunch of other stuff. Now that is scary!

tjc78

fintail said:

Sounds like simple Google timeline tracking - it can be switched off (well, not really, but your ability to see the data can be switched off) - if you're using a mobile phone, your location and history can always be tracked, fact of life. Not sure I trust Google or Amazon etc any more than an app with Chinese, or lately, Russian sponsorship. Personally, I don't worry about that, I am not an important person, and don't do anything worth looking at. Being worried about it branches into tinfoil hat territory, IMHO.

driver100 said:

Mrs D just showed me her cell phone activity for January. It lists how many miles she walked, how many she drove, which stores she visited, what towns she has been in, how much time she spent walking or in a car, and a bunch of other stuff. Now that is scary!

If they want to see my trips to the produce and grocery store I really could care less.

lemko1968

I’ve been working at home since March of last year. I haven’t even left my neighborhood as everything is nearby. Anybody tracking me really has no life. My world has shrunk to about six blocks.

driver100

fintail said:

Sounds like simple Google timeline tracking - it can be switched off (well, not really, but your ability to see the data can be switched off) - if you're using a mobile phone, your location and history can always be tracked, fact of life. Not sure I trust Google or Amazon etc any more than an app with Chinese, or lately, Russian sponsorship. Personally, I don't worry about that, I am not an important person, and don't do anything worth looking at. Being worried about it branches into tinfoil hat territory, IMHO.

driver100 said:

Mrs D just showed me her cell phone activity for January. It lists how many miles she walked, how many she drove, which stores she visited, what towns she has been in, how much time she spent walking or in a car, and a bunch of other stuff. Now that is scary!

@fintail , @tjc78 , I agree, they can track us all they want, it will only put some CIA guy to sleep. I guess if you don't trust your partner though you could review each others phone records at the end of the month.

oldfarmer50

fintail said:

Sounds like simple Google timeline tracking - it can be switched off (well, not really, but your ability to see the data can be switched off) - if you're using a mobile phone, your location and history can always be tracked, fact of life. Not sure I trust Google or Amazon etc any more than an app with Chinese, or lately, Russian sponsorship. Personally, I don't worry about that, I am not an important person, and don't do anything worth looking at. Being worried about it branches into tinfoil hat territory, IMHO.

driver100 said:

Mrs D just showed me her cell phone activity for January. It lists how many miles she walked, how many she drove, which stores she visited, what towns she has been in, how much time she spent walking or in a car, and a bunch of other stuff. Now that is scary!

LOL, you’ll say that until they come for you. Before that they’ll just spam your email.

tjc78

Hey gang. Has anyone been to Beaches in Turks and Caicos?

If so, thoughts?

sda

I appreciate the clean, logical layout of the instruments, controls and infotainment. Hardly gimmicky and may not provide a wow factor, but very easy to use. No need to pull out the owners manual.

imidazol97

driver100 said:

My scroller is getting worn out!

imidazol97 said:

driver100 said:

It is hard to predict the future.....whatever happened to those little personal helicopters we were all going to be flying?

It's HERE!!!!

Now at a local air national guard base for testing. $226,000 of Ohio taxpayer money subsidizing this.
As reported in the Dayton Daily Nothing.

I can just imagine the BMW and MB versions of this flying car. LOL

This Mercedes car looks much better;

or this one;

Those aren't real. They're not working models. Like the 1950's idea, they're vaporware.

This is real




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driver100

BMW has a hovercraft car...maybe a Hoovie....at least it looks like something you would want to be in.

driver100

sda said:

I appreciate the clean, logical layout of the instruments, controls and infotainment. Hardly gimmicky and may not provide a wow factor, but very easy to use. No need to pull out the owners manual.

Yes, nice and neat, but what's with all the little red lights?
I always thought our 2013 Passat was finished beautifully, with lots of content considering the price of the car.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

sda said:

I appreciate the clean, logical layout of the instruments, controls and infotainment. Hardly gimmicky and may not provide a wow factor, but very easy to use. No need to pull out the owners manual.

Yes, nice and neat, but what's with all the little red lights?
I always thought our 2013 Passat was finished beautifully, with lots of content considering the price of the car.

Ambiance?

jmonroe

graphicguy

Did another transport yesterday.

Did a dealer swap from near my home to a KY dealership of a stripped down Tacoma, bringing a loaded up TRD version back.

I understand the appeal of these trucks. But, not the one all loaded up, but the stripped down model. The 4 cyl motor was a bit anemic, but these things come pretty well loaded up even in base trim. It had power windows, A/C, automatic trans, etc. The interior was nicely finished out with some pretty decent cloth seats (the cloth seemed high quality). I think I stickered for ~$27K. For the money, that’s hard to beat. I’d take the Taco over a similarly priced Accord or Camry any day.

Not really back in this full time. But, it seems my “do whatever, wherever, whenever, reliably” attitude for dealer service transports continues to have legs, even with me being out of pocket for a few months. Does it still have a future? I dunno. If I feel up to it over the next couple of weeks, I’ll give it another shot, I suppose.

Interestingly, even though most (not all) of the management personnel I worked with before has stayed in place, sales in the local Toyota dealership has turned over probably by 80% when I was last there several months ago.