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andres3

The 1989 Oakland A's swept the SF Giants in the World Series that year. 4 games to 0.

Truth be told, it could have been a 31 game series, and the end result would have still been a sweep, 16-0. The '89 A's were unstoppable. The Cubbies if they weren't so cursed back then would have suffered the same fate.

kyfdx

andres3 said:

The 1989 Oakland A's swept the SF Giants in the World Series that year. 4 games to 0.

Truth be told, it could have been a 31 game series, and the end result would have still been a sweep, 16-0. The '89 A's were unstoppable. The Cubbies if they weren't so cursed back then would have suffered the same fate.

Not that unstoppable. The Reds swept the '90 A's, the very next year.

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

The 1989 Oakland A's swept the SF Giants in the World Series that year. 4 games to 0.

Truth be told, it could have been a 31 game series, and the end result would have still been a sweep, 16-0. The '89 A's were unstoppable. The Cubbies if they weren't so cursed back then would have suffered the same fate.

Didn't those blue birds up in Canada defeat the A's at least once in the playoffs?

driver100

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

Looks like my daughter, who has about as much impulse control as someone in the Breld family once she decides to get something, is in the process of nailing down a deal on a Mazda CX30 lease. In the nice bright red Mazda has.

Minor issue that her parking spot lease starts 9/1!

I saw a bright red Mazda the other day and that is a nice and very bright red. It seems that some of the less expensive cars like Mazda and KIA come up with some great paint colors. Mazda has improved the styling a lot too, tweaked it to look sleeker and faster...well give the impression at least.

Way too much cladding to be honest. What do they think it is, an off-road vehicle? Pretty soon they'll make everything below the window line gray plastic cladding instead of painted metal.

I think the cladding on the Mazda actually looks good....it contrasts and it makes it look tougher. Some cars have way too much cladding;

tjc78

90s Pontiac was the king of cladding.

imidazol97

snakeweasel said:

imidazol97 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I don’t know if the cost of gas is really effecting anybody. While out this morning it was a traffic mess of jammed vehicles, tailgaters and people gunning it to gain 10 feet of advantage. Turn signals must be getting expensive though as no one was using them.

A discussion by a knowledgeable person said the use of gasoline had declined on 2% over a certain period recently, while with the price increasing, they would have expected a larger deterioration in the use. The period did include the Memorial Day weekend, where this year there was a 6% jump in use over the previous year. They described the use of gasoline as "brittle."

The question comes to mind is could you quantify "a certain period"? Is it a week? two weeks? a month? six months? what?

The time period over which the comparison was made was stated, but I don't recall what the person said. Perhaps the same information will pop up again.

stickguy

that is the color of hers. paperwork done, once dealer coordinates with insurance they can pick it up. She needs to get a city street parking permit Friday so probably picking it up Saturday.

she just moved last week to a new apartment in a more residential section of town (she used to live right across from the Boston Gahden). Claims that there is a decent amount of street parking available most of the time. cladding might be good for living in the city too!

her apartment is actually in a condo building. I think it is mostly owner occupied units. she just found a unit that the owner rents out. Every unit comes with it's own dedicated garage spot. The last tenant did not want it so the landlord (owner?) rented it to a different tenant that is moving out by 9/1. so the rights to the spot are reverting to my daughter.

in any city, having off street covered dedicated parking is a huge plus. especially in the winter up there!

henryn

stickguy said:

in any city, having off street covered dedicated parking is a huge plus. especially in the winter up there!

Yeah, until you get into the inevitable fights over someone else parking in your spot. @abacomike has told a few stories about that.

roadburner

Funny thing, my judge told me that on vacation the car rental agency offered him a free upgrade to an X3 but he declined- he didn't want to be responsible for a more expensive car. I didn't have the heart to tell him that in 2007 I drove an Alpina B7 from Louisville to Fort Worth and lapped the Motorsport Ranch road course for a couple of hours. I did refrain from attempting to verify Alpina's claimed top speed of 186 mph...

Michaell

Not sure how this compares to your situation, @roadburner

graphicguy

kyfdx said:

andres3 said:

The 1989 Oakland A's swept the SF Giants in the World Series that year. 4 games to 0.

Truth be told, it could have been a 31 game series, and the end result would have still been a sweep, 16-0. The '89 A's were unstoppable. The Cubbies if they weren't so cursed back then would have suffered the same fate.

Not that unstoppable. The Reds swept the '90 A's, the very next year.

I was at Riverfront Stadium for two of those games. Loudest events I’ve ever attended…and that included going to a Black Sabbath concert.

kyfdx

tjc78 said:

90s Pontiac was the king of cladding.

Bonneville SSE?

kyfdx

graphicguy said:

kyfdx said:

andres3 said:

The 1989 Oakland A's swept the SF Giants in the World Series that year. 4 games to 0.

Truth be told, it could have been a 31 game series, and the end result would have still been a sweep, 16-0. The '89 A's were unstoppable. The Cubbies if they weren't so cursed back then would have suffered the same fate.

Not that unstoppable. The Reds swept the '90 A's, the very next year.

I was at Riverfront Stadium for two of those games. Loudest events I’ve ever attended…and that included going to a Black Sabbath concert.

I had NLCS tickets against Pittsburgh, but I didn't get WS tickets (to my everlasting dismay). It had a lot to do with being on the road for my job, all day, in a pre-cellphone era.

(Also, that was before Barry Bonds head turned into a pumpkin).

ab348

Mazda has sold that same "Soul Red" as an extra-cost paint color for many, many years. It is about the only good paint shade they now have. The usual white, black, and silver, and a blue metallic that is so dark that it looks black in anything other than full sun. Mazda doesn't seem to spend much time thinking about paint colors.

kyfdx

ab348 said:

Mazda has sold that same "Soul Red" as an extra-cost paint color for many, many years. It is about the only good paint shade they now have. The usual white, black, and silver, and a blue metallic that is so dark that it looks black in anything other than full sun. Mazda doesn't seem to spend much time thinking about paint colors.

Gray, don't forget gray...

oldfarmer50

Michaell said:

Not sure how this compares to your situation, @roadburner

Paywall.

tjc78

@kyfdx said:
Bonneville SSE?

Exactly.

ab348

kyfdx said:

ab348 said:

Mazda has sold that same "Soul Red" as an extra-cost paint color for many, many years. It is about the only good paint shade they now have. The usual white, black, and silver, and a blue metallic that is so dark that it looks black in anything other than full sun. Mazda doesn't seem to spend much time thinking about paint colors.

Gray, don't forget gray...

I'm so ashamed. They actually offer *two* extra-cost gray shades. One is the dull-looking "metallic mud" non-color shade that Mazda has always seemed to specialize in, but the other actually has a bit of life to it. Like many/most manufacturers these days they only offer two no-charge shades, black or silver.

Michaell

oldfarmer50 said:

Michaell said:

Not sure how this compares to your situation, @roadburner

Paywall.

Grrr. 3 time DUI driver gets 5 years for killing a pedestrian while driving drunk again.

jmonroe1

kyfdx said:

ab348 said:

Mazda has sold that same "Soul Red" as an extra-cost paint color for many, many years. It is about the only good paint shade they now have. The usual white, black, and silver, and a blue metallic that is so dark that it looks black in anything other than full sun. Mazda doesn't seem to spend much time thinking about paint colors.

Gray, don't forget gray...

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Yeah, especially “Old Man’s Gray”.

jmonroe

roadburner

@Michaell said:
Not sure how this compares to your situation, @roadburner

My case involves a fairly serious injury but not a fatality. My defendant has at least 9 DUIs that we know about, and the most time he’s ever had to serve is two years. My offer is 10 flat which he would at worst have to serve at least 80%. I don’t know how long the guy in the story will have to serve as parole eligibility varies from state to state.

graphicguy

kyfdx said:

graphicguy said:

kyfdx said:

andres3 said:

The 1989 Oakland A's swept the SF Giants in the World Series that year. 4 games to 0.

Truth be told, it could have been a 31 game series, and the end result would have still been a sweep, 16-0. The '89 A's were unstoppable. The Cubbies if they weren't so cursed back then would have suffered the same fate.

Not that unstoppable. The Reds swept the '90 A's, the very next year.

I was at Riverfront Stadium for two of those games. Loudest events I’ve ever attended…and that included going to a Black Sabbath concert.

I had NLCS tickets against Pittsburgh, but I didn't get WS tickets (to my everlasting dismay). It had a lot to do with being on the road for my job, all day, in a pre-cellphone era.

(Also, that was before Barry Bonds head turned into a pumpkin).

https://youtu.be/wqriNdXkXMo

kyfdx

"We got everything!"

driver100

kyfdx said:

tjc78 said:

90s Pontiac was the king of cladding.

Bonneville SSE?

....as in the 97 model:

jmonroe1

kyfdx said:

"We got everything!"

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Kinda like, ”there are them’s that have and them’s that don’t”.

jmonroe

jipster

Sorry, been busy. Update, I ran a diagnostic scanner on my daughter's 2007 Kia Optima that I'm thinking of selling. Showed 3 codes:
P2096 Post Cataylist Fuel Trim too lean Bank one.
PO700 Transmission Control
PO741 Torque Converter Clutch Circuit Performance.
In addition, lot of bouncing going on in engine compartment at stoplight. Also, clunking over bumps. I suspect sway bar links and motor mounts.

I take car in to my local independent. Needs one motor mount and sway bar links. I have them do the repair. $530. They dagnosed the P2096 code and said needs new oxygen sensor and rear brakes. $214 for o2 sensor and $315 for rear brakes. I say I'll hold off on that...I'm not made of money.

So after repairs just a little vibration at lights. No vibration when putting car into neutral. I suspect that's the 02 sensor. No clanking or clunks. Brakes fine. But, at highway speeds a bit of vibration that wasn't there before. Like maybe out of balance tires, or suspension component.

Can't say I'd feel comfortable selling to anyone at this point. That transmission code
could be troublesome. 02 sensor looks like an easy repair. The instrument cluster hasn't gone out in 3 days. Hopefully the cars self repair continues. May just keep it as a spare.

jipster

In addition, the cars steering feels spongy, like the steering components are made of rubber bands. There's a bit of pull back Iin turns. Weird. Maybe power steering pump? I changed the dirty power steering fluid, hasn't seemed to help.

jipster

On my 2020 Honda Accord, I took the car into my dealership the other day for oil change and tire rotation. I tell the service advisor to write a note to the mechanic to make sure the oil level was not above that top mark on the dipstick, as it was above the mark last time. She does so but also writes, "customer will check level when completed", which I kind of think will alienate the mechanic. Oh, well. When I checked the level, it was a bit below the top mark, but close enough. I think I'm getting some noticeable oil dilution.

Service advisor also said I was eligible for a vehicle upgrade, and asked if I was interested. I laugh...maybe later.
The next day I get a text from Honda World inquiring if I'd be interested in an upgrade. Just for fun I replied I may be interested in a TLX. Haven't heard back.

snakeweasel

jipster said:

Sorry, been busy. Update, I ran a diagnostic scanner on my daughter's 2007 Kia Optima that I'm thinking of selling. Showed 3 codes:

P2096 Post Cataylist Fuel Trim too lean Bank one.

PO700 Transmission Control

PO741 Torque Converter Clutch Circuit Performance.

In addition, lot of bouncing going on in engine compartment at stoplight. Also, clunking over bumps. I suspect sway bar links and motor mounts.

I take car in to my local independent. Needs one motor mount and sway bar links. I have them do the repair. $530. They dagnosed the P2096 code and said needs new oxygen sensor and rear brakes. $214 for o2 sensor and $315 for rear brakes. I say I'll hold off on that...I'm not made of money.

So after repairs just a little vibration at lights. No vibration when putting car into neutral. I suspect that's the 02 sensor. No clanking or clunks. Brakes fine. But, at highway speeds a bit of vibration that wasn't there before. Like maybe out of balance tires, or suspension component.

Can't say I'd feel comfortable selling to anyone at this point. That transmission code

could be troublesome. 02 sensor looks like an easy repair. The instrument cluster hasn't gone out in 3 days. Hopefully the cars self repair continues. May just keep it as a spare.

If you disclose all the issues and what you know that needs repair and price it accordingly why would you feel uncomfortable selling it?

snakeweasel

jipster said:

On my 2020 Honda Accord, I took the car into my dealership the other day for oil change and tire rotation. I tell the service advisor to write a note to the mechanic to make sure the oil level was not above that top mark on the dipstick, as it was above the mark last time. She does so but also writes, "customer will check level when completed", which I kind of think will alienate the mechanic. Oh, well. When I checked the level, it was a bit below the top mark, but close enough. I think I'm getting some noticeable oil dilution.

Service advisor also said I was eligible for a vehicle upgrade, and asked if I was interested. I laugh...maybe later.

The next day I get a text from Honda World inquiring if I'd be interested in an upgrade. Just for fun I replied I may be interested in a TLX. Haven't heard back.

You should have said you were interested in an African Twin just to see what they would say, if anything.

jipster

@snakeweasel said:
If you disclose all the issues and what you know that needs repair and price it accordingly why would you feel uncomfortable selling it?

Some one buying it may not have a lot of money and are going to roll the dice and hope nothing breaks.

jipster

@snakeweasel said:
You should have said you were interested in an African Twin just to see what they would say, if anything.

A motorcycle? That's an upgrade? LOL

qbrozen

going on 4 days of the Volvo back in the shop. Did I mention the CEL for the crank position sensor came back on? Ya'd think they would have changed that the first time. Naahhh... what does the computer know? This time, they had to call volvo to find out what they should do about a CPS code. Huh. Boy, I'm sure glad they waited for feedback from the mother ship. The suggested fix? Change the CPS! Whoa!! Waited 2 days for the sensor, and now waiting another day while the tech test drives it. I suggested the tech put it in Dynamic mode and put his foot to the floor because that's how I got it to trigger both times.

snakeweasel

jipster said:

@snakeweasel said:

If you disclose all the issues and what you know that needs repair and price it accordingly why would you feel uncomfortable selling it?

Some one buying it may not have a lot of money and are going to roll the dice and hope nothing breaks.

As long as they know the history and what needs to be done it's on them if they want to roll the die. It's not that you are hiding anything or deceiving them.

snakeweasel

jipster said:

@snakeweasel said:

You should have said you were interested in an African Twin just to see what they would say, if anything.

A motorcycle? That's an upgrade? LOL

Goldwing?

sda

jipster said:

On my 2020 Honda Accord, I took the car into my dealership the other day for oil change and tire rotation. I tell the service advisor to write a note to the mechanic to make sure the oil level was not above that top mark on the dipstick, as it was above the mark last time. She does so but also writes, "customer will check level when completed", which I kind of think will alienate the mechanic. Oh, well. When I checked the level, it was a bit below the top mark, but close enough. I think I'm getting some noticeable oil dilution.

Service advisor also said I was eligible for a vehicle upgrade, and asked if I was interested. I laugh...maybe later.

The next day I get a text from Honda World inquiring if I'd be interested in an upgrade. Just for fun I replied I may be interested in a TLX. Haven't heard back.

What makes you think you are experiencing oil dilution? I thought that only happened in extreme cold conditions and Honda addressed that issue or so they say.

oldfarmer50

jipster said:

Sorry, been busy. Update, I ran a diagnostic scanner on my daughter's 2007 Kia Optima that I'm thinking of selling. Showed 3 codes:

P2096 Post Cataylist Fuel Trim too lean Bank one.

PO700 Transmission Control

PO741 Torque Converter Clutch Circuit Performance.

In addition, lot of bouncing going on in engine compartment at stoplight. Also, clunking over bumps. I suspect sway bar links and motor mounts.

I take car in to my local independent. Needs one motor mount and sway bar links. I have them do the repair. $530. They dagnosed the P2096 code and said needs new oxygen sensor and rear brakes. $214 for o2 sensor and $315 for rear brakes. I say I'll hold off on that...I'm not made of money.

So after repairs just a little vibration at lights. No vibration when putting car into neutral. I suspect that's the 02 sensor. No clanking or clunks. Brakes fine. But, at highway speeds a bit of vibration that wasn't there before. Like maybe out of balance tires, or suspension component.

Can't say I'd feel comfortable selling to anyone at this point. That transmission code

could be troublesome. 02 sensor looks like an easy repair. The instrument cluster hasn't gone out in 3 days. Hopefully the cars self repair continues. May just keep it as a spare.

On that P0700 code. We had that on the Hyundai my son is babysitting for his friend. I assumed it was the transmission control module because of the weird symptoms. I took it to “the guy” and he found out it was some rusted linkages due to it sitting for so long.

Has she let it sit for long periods?

jipster

@snakeweasel said:
Goldwing?

Now you talking.

I've ridden a motorcycle like twice. LOL

jipster

@sda said:
What makes you think you are experiencing oil dilution? I thought that only happened in extreme cold conditions and Honda addressed that issue or so they say.

Well, in the 8,000-9,000 miles between oil changes (oil life was still at 40%), the oil level raised noticeable. Was just off the plastic orange oil level part, and had creeped up onto the metal part. If I was guessing maybe an 1/8th of a quarter of something other than oil.

I had the service manager look at the level last oil change. Had the mechanic check the oil as it smelled like gasoline when I checked the dipstick. Both said no problems. Normal.

From what I read on a Honda Accord forum, the problem not bad, but still persists.

stickguy

it is actually pretty normal to get some gas dilution in a direct injection turbo engine like the Accord has. Can get the same thing in the Ford Ecoboost. I watched some Ford mechanics videos and will be getting oil changes very 6 months (reminds me, need to schedule one for the end of this month!)

a small amount is not a big deal. But if you are seeing some, should probably change at shorter intervals.

jipster

@oldfarmer50 said:
On that P0700 code. We had that on the Hyundai my son is babysitting for his friend. I assumed it was the transmission control module because of the weird symptoms. I took it to “the guy” and he found out it was some rusted linkages due to it sitting for so long.

Has she let it sit for long periods?

I'm guessing yes. My daughter lived on campus at UK for a couple years. So probably sat at times for awhile.

But, the transmission actually shifts fairly well. Thought I felt a hiccup the other day...that could have been me. LOL. I did a partial fluid exchange a few years back. My thinking was the fluid may be too dirty. 🤔

explorerx4

Tested negative for Covid today, so we are back on track to start showing the house over the weekend. Realtor contacted us an hour or so later and she has 20 showings scheduled already.

jipster

@stickguy said:
it is actually pretty normal to get some gas dilution in a direct injection turbo engine like the Accord has. Can get the same thing in the Ford Ecoboost. I watched some Ford mechanics videos and will be getting oil changes very 6 months (reminds me, need to schedule one for the end of this month!)

a small amount is not a big deal. But if you are seeing some, should probably change at shorter intervals.

Yeah, I had been around 5-6k miles between oil changes. This one I let go a bit longer.

I'll be taking a close up photo of the oil dipstick when I get home....another at the next oil change. Hopefully it's just paranoia. But, I doubt it. 😉

driver100

jipster said:

@snakeweasel said:

If you disclose all the issues and what you know that needs repair and price it accordingly why would you feel uncomfortable selling it?

Some one buying it may not have a lot of money and are going to roll the dice and hope nothing breaks.

I think Snake has a good idea. Sell it "as is" and don't put any money into it. If some guy wants an inexpensive car and if he can fix it himself it will be a win/win. If you fix it you may spend money you won't get back...you may not even be able to get everything fixed. Some guy that is handy might know how to fix everything...and you would have no guilty feelings.

My friend has a Volvo that is a few years old. He had an airbag sensor that didn't work, the airbag wouldn't have worked if needed. A chain garage gave him a price of $950 to buy a sensor and install it, which required a lot of labor. His small garage guy said he could buy a used sensor from a wrecker, try to patch it into the system - it might work and it might not. It worked and cost $200 to fix. A good mechanic can do wonders.

stickguy

decided to book a Uhaul for taking with us when we go up to close on the new house. bring some extra stuff and a bed so we have a place to stay. might have too much stuff for 1 moving truck so will just take the overflow. plus stuff we don't want a mover to take.

I looked a few weeks back when we first were going for the house, and prices seemed normal. a couple days ago I looked and they were through the roof. But I happened to be talking to a local mover and she mentioned that for some reason, when they need a spare truck it is always cheaper to get on in Delaware instead of NJ. so I compared. same pick up time, same drop off location. Getting it by me a 26' one (biggest they have) was about $988 with 300 miles included. But if I get the same truck in Wilmington (and get 340 miles included) it only costs $398. Just absurdly different and I have no clue why.

decided to get a 15' box one (the wider box with grandma's attic). We have to load it ourselves and that is probably big enough to take everything we want to take and feel like loading. That was $318 compared to about $670.

tjc78

Uhaul does have some crazy rates depending what you are doing. When I rented a pickup and a trailer for my golf cart an all day round trip rental with all the extra miles was much cheaper than a 2 hour rental one way.

Also found that just changing the pickup location one or two towns over can be much cheaper. Strange.

benjaminh

jipster said:

Yeah, I had been around 5-6k miles between oil changes. This one I let go a bit longer.

I'll be taking a close up photo of the oil dipstick when I get home....another at the next oil change. Hopefully it's just paranoia. But, I doubt it. 😉

But since you have an extended warranty on your Accord your engine is covered until around 2028, right?

We've got an almost identical 1.5 turbo in our 2018 CR-V, which now has about 35k on it. We might have a bit of oil dilution too, although I'm not sure. The thing I was actually more worried about for that engine is carbon build-up on the intake valves, because like most cars these days it's direct injection. This video of a 2017 Civic with the 1.5T and 109k miles seemed like mostly good news. The turbo and the intake valves look good for the mileage starting at about 5 minutes in. The problem he'd been having was a loss of mpg and power. To make a long story somewhat shorter his turbo intercooler in the front got damaged from some road debris. Anyway, he put a new intercooler into his Civic and the power and mpg went back to normal. The good thing about this engine is that it really has power when you need it, and yet can often get c. 36-38 mpg on the highway even in our brick-like CR-V, with air resistance being a big factor. More aerodynamic Civics with the 1.5T often get well over 40 mpg on the highway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b11ZOGjZevM

ab348

snakeweasel said:

jipster said:

@snakeweasel said:

You should have said you were interested in an African Twin just to see what they would say, if anything.

A motorcycle? That's an upgrade? LOL

Goldwing?

An Africa Twin is an "adventure bike" of the type that gets used on rallies through the deserts of Africa and the like.

https://powersports.honda.com/street/adventure/africa-twin

jipster

@benjaminh said:
But since you have an extended warranty on your Accord your engine is covered until around 2028, right?

We've got an almost identical 1.5 turbo in our 2018 CR-V, which now has about 35k on it. We might have a bit of oil dilution too, although I'm not sure. The thing I was actually more worried about for that engine is carbon build-up on the intake valves, because like most cars these days it's direct injection. This video of a 2017 Civic with the 1.5T and 109k miles seemed like mostly good news. The turbo and the intake valves look good for the mileage starting at about 5 minutes in. The problem he'd been having was a loss of mpg and power. To make a long story somewhat shorter his turbo intercooler in the front got damaged from some road debris. Anyway, he put a new intercooler into his Civic and the power and mpg went back to normal. The good thing about this engine is that it really has power when you need it, and yet can often get c. 36-38 mpg on the highway even in our brick-like CR-V, with air resistance being a big factor. More aerodynamic Civics with the 1.5T often get well over 40 mpg on the highway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b11ZOGjZevM

Yes, I have an extended warranty up until 2029 or 150,000 miles, which is partly why I let the car go a bit longer between oil changes. Imagine I'll be ready for a new car by 2029. Maybe. Hopefully gas won't be $30 a gallon by then, but I'm getting almost 36mpg combined, so that's pretty good for a bigger sedan.

Concerning the oil dilution, the car runs great. I'm a little over 30k miles, so the service advisor suggested having the fuel induction service done which is suppose to help with carbon build up . I passed because at only 30k miles I didn't think it was needed. When picking up my car, I asked the service advisor how much the fuel induction service costs. She said $199, but couldn't look me in the eye when she said it. In looking on YouTube looks to be a fairly easy and inexpensive procedure. They also recommended tire balancing and alignment. Again, car runs and steers great. No uneven wear on tires. Pass.

snakeweasel

@driver100 said:
I think Snake has a good idea. Sell it "as is" and don't put any money into it. If some guy wants an inexpensive car and if he can fix it himself it will be a win/win. If you fix it you may spend money you won't get back...you may not even be able to get everything fixed. Some guy that is handy might know how to fix everything...and you would have no guilty feelings.

My friend has a Volvo that is a few years old. He had an airbag sensor that didn't work, the airbag wouldn't have worked if needed. A chain garage gave him a price of $950 to buy a sensor and install it, which required a lot of labor. His small garage guy said he could buy a used sensor from a wrecker, try to patch it into the system - it might work and it might not. It worked and cost $200 to fix. A good mechanic can do wonders.

That's what we are doing with my sisters vehicles. A Prius and a Burgman (a large scooter), sell as is disclosing the situation and trying to price accordingly. We do have buyers for each.