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bwia

graphicguy said:

verdugo said:

isellhondas said:

CarMax isn't going to give you more money than they can buy similar cars at the auction for.

A dealer might, however in order to make a new car deal or if the trade in question is something desirable.

As far as Caddy sales heading straight down? My guess, I'm not the only one with reliability issues. I know personally, I've had probably a dozen people tell me they're considering a new Cadillac and asked my opinion. I've told all of them, that my car will be the absolute last one I'll ever have. And then I proceed to tell them why. That doesn't include anyone here.

So, if there are a few hundred people like me running around dissatisfied, it wouldn't take long for that to affect the sales crater Cadillac is currently expriencing.

I think Cadillac's sales collapse is attributed to two major factors. One being price. Cadillac's prices are much too high. They charge luxury prices for a brand that is no more luxurious (in the eyes of the consumer) than a Buick LaCrosse or a Chevy Impala.

The second factor is timing. The market is shifting away from sedans and coupes to premium SUVs and CUVs. Although there will still be a strong demand for certain sedans and coupes unfortunately the quantities demanded are much less than Cadillac produces. So, Cadillac has to adjust to this new normal otherwise its current product mix is not sustainable.

ab348

driver100 said:

Must be the GG affect

Like i say, the reviews have been very positive, but GG's experience scares me....I've lived through that kind of thing with the Audi.

Not really the same thing. You had a clearly defined issue and the only question was whether it was warranty or not. His problems and dealer response remain very mysterious. I follow the Cadillac discussions online and have seen no reports of anything like his situation.

abacomike

I have been cleaning out and throwing out 35 years worth of my mother's and father's hoarding in drawers, closets, cabinets, dressers and chests.  There doesn't seem to be a light at the end of the tunnel.

Then, as I was tossing stuff in the bottom drawer of my dad's chest, low and behold what do I uncover?  Money - no!  Bearer Bonds - no!  It was a loaded Smith and Wesson 38 caliber police special - snub nose.  Good grief!  So I call the police department and ask if they could pick it up.  An officer comes to my door and says he can't take it.  I should try to sell it.  I have no permit but he said so long as it is transported to a gun dealer unloaded, I am not going to get into any trouble.

So I locked it up, unloaded, in a steel safe box and told him to call me if he would like it as a gift.  He took my phone number and said he would call me when he gets off duty.

stever

My mom is well pared down. My sister is the hoarder in the family and I'm the executor if something happens to her. Every time I visit I threaten to peremptorily resign - at least she did get rid of 30 years of English gardening magazines under her bed last trip back.

To make matters worse, she's run her Subaru into the ground and hasn't replaced it with something fun.

carnaught

abacomike said:

I have been cleaning out and throwing out 35 years worth of my mother's and father's hoarding in drawers, closets, cabinets, dressers and chests.  There doesn't seem to be a light at the end of the tunnel.

Then, as I was tossing stuff in the bottom drawer of my dad's chest, low and behold what do I uncover?  Money - no!  Bearer Bonds - no!  It was a loaded Smith and Wesson 38 caliber police special - snub nose.  Good grief!  So I call the police department and ask if they could pick it up.  An officer comes to my door and says he can't take it.  I should try to sell it.  I have no permit but he said so long as it is transported to a gun dealer unloaded, I am not going to get into any trouble.

So I locked it up, unloaded, in a steel safe box and told him to call me if he would like it as a gift.  He took my phone number and said he would call me when he gets off duty.

Just happy that in his later state, with times of confusion, that he didn't go to it.

abacomike

@carnaught:

I recognized the revolver because he had a permit for it as a concealed weapon when he was in business and used to make large cash deposits at the bank after hours.  I just thought he had gotten rid of it years ago.

He was the kind of guy who would have done himself in if he had to have a catheter or was in awful pain.  Good thing he never made it home - I had no idea he still had it.

suydam

I found hidden guns in cleaning out both my mother's and my uncle's homes. In both cases stuck in the bottom of a closet. Yeesh. I'm sure they both had forgotten all about them. Neither of them knew anything about firearms.

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

I have been cleaning out and throwing out 35 years worth of my mother's and father's hoarding in drawers, closets, cabinets, dressers and chests.  There doesn't seem to be a light at the end of the tunnel.

Then, as I was tossing stuff in the bottom drawer of my dad's chest, low and behold what do I uncover?  Money - no!  Bearer Bonds - no!  It was a loaded Smith and Wesson 38 caliber police special - snub nose.  Good grief!  So I call the police department and ask if they could pick it up.  An officer comes to my door and says he can't take it.  I should try to sell it.  I have no permit but he said so long as it is transported to a gun dealer unloaded, I am not going to get into any trouble.

So I locked it up, unloaded, in a steel safe box and told him to call me if he would like it as a gift.  He took my phone number and said he would call me when he gets off duty.

Why get rid of it, I thought Florida was pretty liberal about private ownership of handguns? Might come in handy if crime in your area is as bad as you've said.

abacomike

@oldfarmer:

I don't have a permit for it.  Secondly, the only firearm I've ever fired was a .22 caliber rifle.  This handgun is a pretty powerful weapon and I've never fired it.  I have no reason to keep a firearm.  So I thought I would just get rid of it.  

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

@oldfarmer:

I don't have a permit for it.  Secondly, the only firearm I've ever fired was a .22 caliber rifle.  This handgun is a pretty powerful weapon and I've never fired it.  I have no reason to keep a firearm.  So I thought I would just get rid of it.  

While I'm a strong advocate of the 2nd ammendment I personally have never owned a gun. I completely understand your feelings. I do enjoy range firing a variety of weapons when I visit Florida. From what I understand you can get a CCW over the Internet without leaving your home. If I understand the laws correctly you don't need a permit to just own a handgun in Florida.

fezo

Years ago I visited a friend who's a gun nut out on Washington state. Prior to that all I'd ever shot was a .22 rifle at targets in Boy Scouts. He had a 357 Magnum and a couple of other equally impressive pistols. Not being used to such things I thought my arm was going to come off from the recoil.

My BIL was a cop for a bunch of years. The moment he retired the only gun in the house was gone. He wanted no part of it.

wlbrown9

isellhondas said:

CarMax isn't going to give you more money than they can buy similar cars at the auction for.

A dealer might, however in order to make a new car deal or if the trade in question is something desirable.

Hum, not always. I got a $10,000 offer from Carmax in May, 2012 Hyundai Elantra GLS, rear-ended in Feb, but fixed up pretty good. Dealer across the street started offering $8500 but did come up to $9300 which gave me the same net due to saving 7% sales tax trading vs. selling to Carmax. Later I got another $800 from her insurance for diminished value. My research seemed to value the Elantra at about $10-11K so I came out okay.

Bill (Memphis, Tn)

dino001

I'm the same - I think weapons are big responsibility and I simply don't want one. I liked firing my friend's revolver, or a rifle at a range, but I don't want to have one at home. I can only hope other understand that responsibility - if they don't, they should be severely punished upon misuse - but I don't think they should have them taken away, just in case.

I saw a coworker of mine once shopping for a pistol for his not fully balanced wife. She felt threatened one day, as somebody allegedly else bang on her car hood. Knowing how easily it was to upset her (on a drop of a hat) and how quickly she was taking major offense on almost anything, I expressed skepticism whether it was a good idea. He said something like "you must be against guns", to which said, "I'm against guns in hands of your wife". Unfortunately, legally she was entitled to one, so she got one. I'd still say she is one of those examples for a case against Second Ammendment (I'd definitely infringe on her right to bear arms, if I had power), but well - let's just hope for the best.

driver100

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

Must be the GG affect

Like i say, the reviews have been very positive, but GG's experience scares me....I've lived through that kind of thing with the Audi.

Not really the same thing. You had a clearly defined issue and the only question was whether it was warranty or not. His problems and dealer response remain very mysterious. I follow the Cadillac discussions online and have seen no reports of anything like his situation.

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

Must be the GG affect

Like i say, the reviews have been very positive, but GG's experience scares me....I've lived through that kind of thing with the Audi.

Not really the same thing. You had a clearly defined issue and the only question was whether it was warranty or not. His problems and dealer response remain very mysterious. I follow the Cadillac discussions online and have seen no reports of anything like his situation.

Agreed, but the similarity between GG and myself is that the car maker leaves us to fend for ourselves. Volvo did that to me too......so, I wouldn't say I would never buy another one of those 3 cars......but, they aren't my first choice unless I couldn't find something I really liked better.

Maybe snake is right, every company builds a dog once in awhile, but what good is having a track record (both good and bad) if we as consumers don't use that information?
_______________________________________________________________________________________
btw........Mission Impossible is a great action movie...that would be impossible to sleep through.

Mr Holmes is slow paced and some people could sleep through it, but what an intelligent well crafted movie.

verdugo

graphicguy said:

I get what you and Driver are saying. I just don't know how to use a camera that shows the power steering going out? Stalling, I get. All the lights on the dash light up. But, that also means having some sort of contraption hooked up on my driver's seat with a camera hooked up. .

The new GoPro camera is tiny. http://shop.gopro.com/hero4/hero4-session/CHDHS-101.html

Glue it to the steering wheel column with a clear view of the dashboard. That might do the trick.

Or you could just take a picture with your phone of the Christmas tree on your dash.

Either way, feel free to call any of us as expert witnesses.

oldfarmer50

Spotted this at the Ford store down the block. Thought mako1a might like to do this on his.

stever

@driver100, my wife didn't like the elderly Holmes movie but she's (spoiler alert):

allergic to bees

I enjoyed it even though my brain cells are going too!

@wlbrown9, I keep forgetting you're in Memphis. That's where I got my first Datsun (and promptly t-boned a Caddy with it, spilling a pile of Gridley's ribs all over the passenger floor).

mako1a

As long as the gun stays in FL (especially in your home) you're fine. Just don't take it to NJ,NY,MD or IL.
Better to have one and not need it than need it and not have one.

houdini1

I grew up around guns and have always owned a couple. Kansas just passed a law where you can carry a concealed gun without any type of permit. Even so, mine never leaves my home, but I would not want to be in a situation where someone was a threat to my wife or me and we could not defend ourselves. Hopefully that will never happen.

abacomike

I found a gun dealer close by who said he was interested in the gun.  The gun is a short-nosed black/blue metal (has blue hue to the black metal) with a walnut grip, 6 shots, and a special holster.  The gun dealer said the 6 bullets I took out of the gun are useless since they are at least 50 years old.

I might drop in there tomorrow morning.  Could be worth a couple of hundred dollars.

nelsonf

I've got *ahem* a few firearms, and a good gun safe to keep them in.

That .38 of your Dad's is a little harsh to shoot because of the short barrel, but not terrible.

Is there any sentimental value to you? If so, and you really don't want a working gun in the house, have a gunsmith make it "non firing" for you, and stick it in a box somewhere.

I'd come take a look at it and possibly buy from you if I was nearby.

Good luck with whatever you do with it.

abacomike

Nelson, just hop on a JetBlue flight to Ft. Lauderdale and I'll meet you there - but good luck getting back on the plane with it - luggage or not!

Absolutely no sentimental value to me.

driver100

stever said:

@driver100, my wife didn't like the elderly Holmes movie but she's (spoiler alert):

allergic to bees

I enjoyed it even though my brain cells are going too!

@wlbrown9, I keep forgetting you're in Memphis. That's where I got my first Datsun (and promptly t-boned a Caddy with it, spilling a pile of Gridley's ribs all over the passe

Very clever stever .....(spoiler alert)!

Mr Holmes was a thinking persons movie, and it is hard to get those brain cells working as we get older. I read the synopsis on wikipedia and it really helped to confirm what I saw.

SYNOPSIS OF MOVIE MR HOLMES

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

Spotted this at the Ford store down the block. Thought mako1a might like to do this on his.

Are they serious?

imidazol97

abacomike said:

Nelson, just hop on a JetBlue flight to Ft. Lauderdale and I'll meet you there - but good luck getting back on the plane with it - luggage or not!

Absolutely no sentimental value to me.

You might ask around for someone you know who has knowledge of guns. They might direct
you to someone who won't rip you off on giving you its value as a sale to a gun shop.

Reminded me of an older fellow at the Crown Victoria Ford show last week talking about several of them being for sale. He said he had thousands of Hot Wheels he had collected and he needed to start selling them. He was concerned his kids would just get ripped off by someone coming in and offering $200 for the collection in total.

nelsonf

abacomike said:

Nelson, just hop on a JetBlue flight to Ft. Lauderdale and I'll meet you there - but good luck getting back on the plane with it - luggage or not!

Absolutely no sentimental value to me.

I don't know. Have you seen the reports on how bad the TSA is at spotting guns and explosives?

You can carry a gun in your checked bag, so it wouldn't be a problem getting it home.

For sure do a bit of internet research regarding the value. I haven't heard of any .38 snubbies being worth a ton, but you never know.

abacomike

nelsonf said:

Nelson, just hop on a JetBlue flight to Ft. Lauderdale and I'll meet you there - but good luck getting back on the plane with it - luggage or not!

Absolutely no sentimental value to me.

I don't know. Have you seen the reports on how bad the TSA is at spotting guns and explosives? You can carry a gun in your checked bag, so it wouldn't be a problem getting it home. For sure do a bit of internet research regarding the value. I haven't heard of any .38 snubbies being worth a ton, but you never know.

One positive thing is the matching holster.  It's a high riding holster that just goes between your shirt and your pants.  All leather of course and made specifically for the snub nose Police Special.

Dad was a member of the Auxilary Police in New York and this was the gun issued to him my the 108th precinct in Queens.

My great Grandfather was a police officer in New York City on the 1890's through the 1920's.  I still have his police badge.  He was a Keystone Cop and wore a high metal helmet.

stever

My maternal grandfather was a small town cop in south Mississippi - died in '46 before I was born. Story on him was that he didn't drive.

[Deleted User]

abacomike said:

I have been cleaning out and throwing out 35 years worth of my mother's and father's hoarding in drawers, closets, cabinets, dressers and chests.  There doesn't seem to be a light at the end of the tunnel.

Then, as I was tossing stuff in the bottom drawer of my dad's chest, low and behold what do I uncover?  Money - no!  Bearer Bonds - no!  It was a loaded Smith and Wesson 38 caliber police special - snub nose.  Good grief!  So I call the police department and ask if they could pick it up.  An officer comes to my door and says he can't take it.  I should try to sell it.  I have no permit but he said so long as it is transported to a gun dealer unloaded, I am not going to get into any trouble.

So I locked it up, unloaded, in a steel safe box and told him to call me if he would like it as a gift.  He took my phone number and said he would call me when he gets off duty.

Interesting find. Regardless of age I wouldn't treat those old bullets lightly. First, your dad may have purchased some newer ones along the way without your knowledge, and second, the charge can still be explosive even at that age. Better safe than sorry.

Unless I'm carrying concealed or transporting them to a target range, our pistols are kept in a biometric safe that can only be opened with fingerprints from my wife or myself. As an added measure we don't rack the slides, so no bullet in the chamber, and the force of the slide spring prevents a kiddie from arming it. The setup slows down our response time to an intruder, but keeps the family safer from an accident, particularly if young friends learn about their existence in the house.

I love target shooting and have since childhood. Personally I find it silly to fear firearms, but their potential for harm should absolutely be respected.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Spotted this at the Ford store down the block. Thought mako1a might like to do this on his.

Are they serious?

$20,000 serious. 2011 with 14 k miles. Too bad it's a V6. I keep remembering what Shifty said about striping effecting resale value.

Price seems a little steep for what is now 5 model years old but they're asking $14,000 for my old car so what do I know.

http://morrisfordinc.com/Glenville/For-Sale/Used/Mitsubishi/Eclipse/?y=2008&modelname=Eclipse&FilterNewMakes=1

oldfarmer50

tyguy said:

abacomike said:

I have been cleaning out and throwing out 35 years worth of my mother's and father's hoarding in drawers, closets, cabinets, dressers and chests.  There doesn't seem to be a light at the end of the tunnel.

Then, as I was tossing stuff in the bottom drawer of my dad's chest, low and behold what do I uncover?  Money - no!  Bearer Bonds - no!  It was a loaded Smith and Wesson 38 caliber police special - snub nose.  Good grief!  So I call the police department and ask if they could pick it up.  An officer comes to my door and says he can't take it.  I should try to sell it.  I have no permit but he said so long as it is transported to a gun dealer unloaded, I am not going to get into any trouble.

So I locked it up, unloaded, in a steel safe box and told him to call me if he would like it as a gift.  He took my phone number and said he would call me when he gets off duty.

Interesting find. Regardless of age I wouldn't treat those old bullets lightly. First, your dad may have purchased some newer ones along the way without your knowledge, and second, the charge can still be explosive even at that age. Better safe than sorry.

Unless I'm carrying concealed or transporting them to a target range, our pistols are kept in a biometric safe that can only be opened with fingerprints from my wife or myself. As an added measure we don't rack the slides, so no bullet in the chamber, and the force of the slide spring prevents a kiddie from arming it. The setup slows down our response time to an intruder, but keeps the family safer from an accident, particularly if young friends learn about their existence in the house.

I love target shooting and have since childhood. Personally I find it silly to fear firearms, but their potential for harm should absolutely be respected.

Respected indeed. Guns like many potentially lethal objects should only be handled by well trained people. Think how scared you were of cars the first time you drove. For me the scariest object is still a chainsaw. I've handled more firearms than chainsaws so I let more experienced friends do my sawing.

Michaell

For the last 12 or so years of my dad's career, he was a sworn peace officer in CA so he carried a sidearm - 9MM, IIRC. There was a small revolver in my parent's closet but I was never dumb enough to mess around with it.

I know the 9MM was given away when my dad retired, but I don't know if the revolver (.22?) is still in their house or not.

snakeweasel

abacomike said:

I have been cleaning out and throwing out 35 years worth of my mother's and father's hoarding in drawers, closets, cabinets, dressers and chests.  There doesn't seem to be a light at the end of the tunnel.

Then, as I was tossing stuff in the bottom drawer of my dad's chest, low and behold what do I uncover?  Money - no!  Bearer Bonds - no!  It was a loaded Smith and Wesson 38 caliber police special - snub nose.  Good grief!  So I call the police department and ask if they could pick it up.  An officer comes to my door and says he can't take it.  I should try to sell it.  I have no permit but he said so long as it is transported to a gun dealer unloaded, I am not going to get into any trouble.

So I locked it up, unloaded, in a steel safe box and told him to call me if he would like it as a gift.  He took my phone number and said he would call me when he gets off duty.

You could call a gun dealer and see if they would come out and get it, might make a few $'s out of it.

bwia

I am so scared of guns...perhaps that phobia began after I was caned for firing a .22 at chickens during my high school days.

Meanwhile, the retired policeman who keeps an eye on my Caribbean home carries a .38 (I think). One evening he called saying he was on his way to investigate a possible break in. Thank God there was no intrusion and he did not have to fire that gun. As the homeowner, it's unsettling to think I may become a defendant in any possible shooting by this pistol toting ex cop.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Spotted this at the Ford store down the block. Thought mako1a might like to do this on his.

Are they serious?

$20,000 serious. 2011 with 14 k miles. Too bad it's a V6. I keep remembering what Shifty said about striping effecting resale value.

Price seems a little steep for what is now 5 model years old but they're asking $14,000 for my old car so what do I know.

http://morrisfordinc.com/Glenville/For-Sale/Used/Mitsubishi/Eclipse/?y=2008&modelname=Eclipse&FilterNewMakes=1

Wow...looks like you should have held on to your Eclipse OF, it seems to maintain its value.

Not really, these Eclipses are from Auto Trader Tampa and none come close to that kind of price. The closest match is the 3rd one listed...at $10k. I'm not sure if a GT is more valueable than a GS...not many GSs listed.

2008 Mitsu Eclipse

The one pictured is a convertible...which is probably a plus in a 2008 model.

mako1a

Mike, a 38 snubbie is not a beginners gun. It is loud and highly inaccurate with a max effective range of 30 to 50 feet with lots of practice. Close in defensive weapon is an understatement. The value of yours (from what you have said) is about 300-400 retail. A dealer will try to get it for 200-250. As old as yours is it probably has a pinned barrel. Pinned barrel snubs are worth more than many newer versions. ($50-100 more).
Here's a site to compare> http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=496853380#PIC

jsyodes

abacomike,

Regarding the ammo, people are still shooting ammo made in WW I, so the ammo probably still would shoot. Sounds like a Model 10 maybe. If you open the cylinder, there may be a model # engraved in the visible area just below the barrel. With the holster, I don't think you should take less than $350. Sad to say, some gun dealers can be a little unscrupulous, just like some car dealers. Older Smith & Wesson's are becoming more valuable every year.

JSY

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Spotted this at the Ford store down the block. Thought mako1a might like to do this on his.

Are they serious?

$20,000 serious. 2011 with 14 k miles. Too bad it's a V6. I keep remembering what Shifty said about striping effecting resale value.

Price seems a little steep for what is now 5 model years old but they're asking $14,000 for my old car so what do I know.

http://morrisfordinc.com/Glenville/For-Sale/Used/Mitsubishi/Eclipse/?y=2008&modelname=Eclipse&FilterNewMakes=1

Wow...looks like you should have held on to your Eclipse OF, it seems to maintain its value.

Not really, these Eclipses are from Auto Trader Tampa and none come close to that kind of price. The closest match is the 3rd one listed...at $10k. I'm not sure if a GT is more valueable than a GS...not many GSs listed.

2008 Mitsu Eclipse

The one pictured is a convertible...which is probably a plus in a 2008 model.

Interesting. From what I've seen the 6cyl. GT was the rare one. The GS had a wimpy 162hp 4cyl. About 80% sold were the GS. Mine was the 263hp GT. Not worth $14k but might bring $11.5 on a good day. A vert might bring another grand.

I was just surprised that they would price my car which needed minimal reconditioning $5k over what it cost them. It might have needed front brake pads in 10 thousand miles but the tires were new and I had change the oil shortly before selling.

Any of the sales people care to weigh in on typical used car mark up?

abacomike

mako1a said:

Mike, a 38 snubbie is not a beginners gun. It is loud and highly inaccurate with a max effective range of 30 to 50 feet with lots of practice. Close in defensive weapon is an understatement. The value of yours (from what you have said) is about 300-400 retail. A dealer will try to get it for 200-250. As old as yours is it probably has a pinned barrel. Pinned barrel snubs are worth more than many newer versions. ($50-100 more). Here's a site to compare> http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=496853380#PIC

Thanks for info.  Took the gun in with holster, unloaded of course, to a gun shop not far from me.  The 2 guys who were there told me it was in pristine condition and hardly ever fired.  So I sold it to them for peanuts.  I just wanted to get rid of it.  I don't care what they sell it for.  I got a receipt with serial number and put it in a safe place. 

End of story.

houdini1

mako1a said:

Mike, a 38 snubbie is not a beginners gun. It is loud and highly inaccurate with a max effective range of 30 to 50 feet with lots of practice. Close in defensive weapon is an understatement. The value of yours (from what you have said) is about 300-400 retail. A dealer will try to get it for 200-250. As old as yours is it probably has a pinned barrel. Pinned barrel snubs are worth more than many newer versions. ($50-100 more).
Here's a site to compare> http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=496853380#PIC

It is more of a "get off me revolver". While I would also not recommend it for a beginner, IMO revolvers are inherently safer and more dependable than automatic pistols. It is simple and easy to keep clean. Most, not all, are double action so it takes a pretty good tug on the trigger. If a single action you have to cock the hammer before shooting. You can also keep the hammer on an empty chamber and also keep the upcoming chamber empty for added safety. Just make sure you know which way the cylinder rotates. Some are clockwise and some are counter clockwise.

abacomike

oldfarmer50 said:

Spotted this at the Ford store down the block. Thought mako1a might like to do this on his.

Are they serious?

$20,000 serious. 2011 with 14 k miles. Too bad it's a V6. I keep remembering what Shifty said about striping effecting resale value. Price seems a little steep for what is now 5 model years old but they're asking $14,000 for my old car so what do I know. http://morrisfordinc.com/Glenville/For-Sale/Used/Mitsubishi/Eclipse/?y=2008&modelname=Eclipse&FilterNewMakes=1

Wow...looks like you should have held on to your Eclipse OF, it seems to maintain its value. Not really, these Eclipses are from Auto Trader Tampa and none come close to that kind of price. The closest match is the 3rd one listed...at $10k. I'm not sure if a GT is more valueable than a GS...not many GSs listed. 2008 Mitsu Eclipse The one pictured is a convertible...which is probably a plus in a 2008 model.

Interesting. From what I've seen the 6cyl. GT was the rare one. The GS had a wimpy 162hp 4cyl. About 80% sold were the GS. Mine was the 263hp GT. Not worth $14k but might bring $11.5 on a good day. A vert might bring another grand. I was just surprised that they would price my car which needed minimal reconditioning $5k over what it cost them. It might have needed front brake pads in 10 thousand miles but the tires were new and I had change the oil shortly before selling. Any of the sales people care to weigh in on typical used car mark up?

Farmer, that is the usual and customary procedure in pricing a newly arrived trade for the used car lot.  Remember, he won't get that much for it.  But if he priced it 15% over their net cost, a buyer negotiating for that car might offer then 20% less than listed price.  By putting it on the lot for $4000+ over net cost, they create maneuvering space to negotiate down for the prospective buyer.

bwia

abacomike said:

mako1a said:

Mike, a 38 snubbie is not a beginners gun. It is loud and highly inaccurate with a max effective range of 30 to 50 feet with lots of practice. Close in defensive weapon is an understatement. The value of yours (from what you have said) is about 300-400 retail. A dealer will try to get it for 200-250. As old as yours is it probably has a pinned barrel. Pinned barrel snubs are worth more than many newer versions. ($50-100 more).
Here's a site to compare> http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=496853380#PIC

Thanks for info.  Took the gun in with holster, unloaded of course, to a gun shop not far from me.  The 2 guys who were there told me it was in pristine condition and hardly ever fired.  So I sold it to them for peanuts.  I just wanted to get rid of it.  I don't care what they sell it for.  I got a receipt with serial number and put it in a safe place. 

End of story.


Just a suggestion...but perhaps you should think of donating the cash proceeds (in your father's honor) to a Veteran's group such as Veterans' of Foreign Wars, or the NRA.

roadburner

mako1a said:

Mike, a 38 snubbie is not a beginners gun. It is loud and highly inaccurate with a max effective range of 30 to 50 feet with lots of practice. Close in defensive weapon is an understatement. The value of yours (from what you have said) is about 300-400 retail. A dealer will try to get it for 200-250. As old as yours is it probably has a pinned barrel. Pinned barrel snubs are worth more than many newer versions. ($50-100 more).
Here's a site to compare> http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=496853380#PIC

I have four handguns, but the only ones I shoot frequently are my Colt .38 Special and my 9mm Ruger P85. My son likes the Colt because it is loud and obnoxious while I prefer the Ruger. I was fortunate to be able to take an FBI qualification course with the Sheriff's Office when it switched over to 9mm semi-automatics(I also got qualified on a Riot Gun, but that's a long story). Where we live we can shoot from dawn to dusk and no one complains. My son's friends often bring their rifles, shotguns, and handguns out and everyone blasts away.

graphicguy

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

Must be the GG affect

Like i say, the reviews have been very positive, but GG's experience scares me....I've lived through that kind of thing with the Audi.

Not really the same thing. You had a clearly defined issue and the only question was whether it was warranty or not. His problems and dealer response remain very mysterious. I follow the Cadillac discussions online and have seen no reports of anything like his situation.

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

Must be the GG affect

Like i say, the reviews have been very positive, but GG's experience scares me....I've lived through that kind of thing with the Audi.

Not really the same thing. You had a clearly defined issue and the only question was whether it was warranty or not. His problems and dealer response remain very mysterious. I follow the Cadillac discussions online and have seen no reports of anything like his situation.

Agreed, but the similarity between GG and myself is that the car maker leaves us to fend for ourselves. Volvo did that to me too......so, I wouldn't say I would never buy another one of those 3 cars......but, they aren't my first choice unless I couldn't find something I really liked better.

Maybe snake is right, every company builds a dog once in awhile, but what good is having a track record (both good and bad) if we as consumers don't use that information?
_______________________________________________________________________________________
btw........Mission Impossible is a great action movie...that would be impossible to sleep through.

Mr Holmes is slow paced and some people could sleep through it, but what an intelligent well crafted movie.

I'm sure SNAKE is right. But, it's how the brand attends to their wayward products that set some apart from others.

Got a recent example, last week I was driving along in the CTS, beautiful day, sunny, mid 80s temp.

As I was waiting at a redlight, the CUE system "flashes" some gibberish, and then locks up with the only thing on the screen saying "Map is loading". This went on for the afternoon. I'd go do my first errand, stop, turn the car off. Come back to start the car 30 minutes later, same thing with CUE. This happened twice more. CUE was unuseable, for anything, during the entire time....no maps, no audio (fortunately, the A/C was controlable with other virtual slides and buttons that did work). Given I was within about 1/2 mile of the local Cadillac dealer (not my purchasing dealer), I decided to pull in and show it to them.

Showed the service writer how CUE froze up. Map data and audio functions not useable. Turned the car off and on 3 times. He wrote up a service ticket and plut me in a loaner car.

About 3 hours later, he called telling me the car was fixed. I returned after work. I noticed on the paper work it stated that plugging my iPhone into the USB port caused the problem with CUE. In short, it was my iPhone's fault that their CUE system didn't work. Understand that Cadillac supports the iPhone (mine is an iPhone 6 with up to date software, so even according to GM, it's supported).

I couldn't make the connection between their CUE freezing and my iPhone being the culprit. The service writer further said they believe it's a Pandora issue (even though the CUE has it's own button in their CUE system). So, is it an iPhone issue? Is it a Pandora issue? Is it a Pandora issue on an iPhone? I didn't get a straight answer to those questions.

Frankly, i didn't even want to argue with him. I looked at the receipt for the service (no charge) which stated my issue and with their response as "works as designed". I pointed out to the Service Writer that I wouldn't sign the receipt as it didn't work as designed because it didn't work at all. So, they won't even report it as an issue to Cadillac, let alone fix it. HE did say the technician was on the phone with Cadillac Tech Support to find if there was anything they could help with. Considering the results, there wasn't.

Now, I just leave the "clock and date" showing on the CUE screen. I use voice commands using Siri on my iPhone by pressing the iPhone's button for directions, or to play music....which sounds a whole lot worse than when I was able to play it through the car's audio system.

And some wonder why I'm suing them to buy the car back......

Mr_Shiftright

It's interesting that CUE is getting a big update for 2016.

driver100

graphicguy said:

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

Must be the GG affect

Like i say, the reviews have been very positive, but GG's experience scares me....I've lived through that kind of thing with the Audi.

Not really the same thing. You had a clearly defined issue and the only question was whether it was warranty or not. His problems and dealer response remain very mysterious. I follow the Cadillac discussions online and have seen no reports of anything like his situation.

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

Must be the GG affect

Like i say, the reviews have been very positive, but GG's experience scares me....I've lived through that kind of thing with the Audi.

Not really the same thing. You had a clearly defined issue and the only question was whether it was warranty or not. His problems and dealer response remain very mysterious. I follow the Cadillac discussions online and have seen no reports of anything like his situation.

Agreed, but the similarity between GG and myself is that the car maker leaves us to fend for ourselves. Volvo did that to me too......so, I wouldn't say I would never buy another one of those 3 cars......but, they aren't my first choice unless I couldn't find something I really liked better.

Maybe snake is right, every company builds a dog once in awhile, but what good is having a track record (both good and bad) if we as consumers don't use that information?
_______________________________________________________________________________________
btw........Mission Impossible is a great action movie...that would be impossible to sleep through.

Mr Holmes is slow paced and some people could sleep through it, but what an intelligent well crafted movie.

I'm sure SNAKE is right. But, it's how the brand attends to their wayward products that set some apart from others.

Got a recent example, last week I was driving along in the CTS, beautiful day, sunny, mid 80s temp.

Showed the service writer how CUE froze up. Map data and audio functions not useable. Turned the car off and on 3 times. He wrote up a service ticket and plut me in a loaner car.

About 3 hours later, he called telling me the car was fixed. I returned after work. I noticed on the paper work it stated that plugging my iPhone into the USB port caused the problem with CUE. In short, it was my iPhone's fault that their CUE system didn't work. Understand that Cadillac supports the iPhone (mine is an iPhone 6 with up to date software, so even according to GM, it's supported).


Now, I just leave the "clock and date" showing on the CUE screen. I use voice commands using Siri on my iPhone by pressing the iPhone's button for directions, or to play music....which sounds a whole lot worse than when I was able to play it through the car's audio system.

And some wonder why I'm suing them to buy the car back......

GG, even in the most glowing CTS reviews the reviewer always mentions CUE as being a real pain. Some reviewers that compare the CTS to BMWs say there is no comparison between the two....CUE is just too frustrating.

You should have asked that service manager to check your steering and stalling too....at least he seemed to be slightly competent at finding problems.

Have to agree with your first comment, all cars could have a problem, it's how the problem is addressed that counts. As long as they find a solution....which they didn't in your case.

dino001

What da ya want???? Ya want it working? Who told you it will? We only said ya can plug it in, not that it's ganna work.

driver100

dino001 said:

What da ya want???? Ya want it working? Who told you it will? We only said ya can plug it in, not that it's ganna work.

That's funny. Surprised they didn't charge GG since it was all his fault.

Mr_Shiftright

So "pairing" has become "impairing" and Cadillac doesn't see the irony....oh well,

Forbes says that to make a decent profit these days, an automaker must accomplish these 4 things:

1. Sell lots of SUVS and trucks in the U.S.,

2) Keep your business as small as possible in Europe and South America,

3) Have a successful luxury vehicle brand (or two or three) and,

4) Don’t keep your pension plans underfunded

According to Forbes, GM has accomplished only 1, the first, whilst Toyota has accomplished the first 3, and is about to close in on the 4th one.

wlbrown9

stever said:

@driver100, my wife didn't like the elderly Holmes movie but she's (spoiler alert):

allergic to bees

I enjoyed it even though my brain cells are going too!

@wlbrown9, I keep forgetting you're in Memphis. That's where I got my first Datsun (and promptly t-boned a Caddy with it, spilling a pile of Gridley's ribs all over the passenger floor).

Where did you get the Datsun? I bought a '74 1/2 260Z from Whitehaven Datsun in 1975. Traded it in about 10 years later.