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jwm40517

As a positive note on the steering, it makes for a great view of the instruments.

kyfdx

I think that steering wheel is a pre-production model. All the pictures I see show a normal wheel.

jmonroe1

jwm40517 said:

As a positive note on the steering, it makes for a great view of the instruments.

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Bad try. That’s really reaching.

jmonroe

imidazol97

The lone salesman in the Chevy showroom suggested I should try out the Camaro convertible @ $50000. He said it's the season for convertibles. I told him my season for convertibles aged out about 30 years ago.

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

The lone salesman in the Chevy showroom suggested I should try out the Camaro convertible @ $50000. He said it's the season for convertibles. I told him my season for convertibles aged out about 30 years ago.

Interesting, that’s about how long I wanted a convertible. Totally impractical but puts a smile on my face every time. A $50k price tag would wipe it right off though.

stickguy

I want one. My wife is much less a fan.

explorerx4

I guess they didn't realize the prototype had been in an accident before going to production.

driver100

kyfdx said:

I think that steering wheel is a pre-production model. All the pictures I see show a normal wheel.

Maybe, but I just read a review of the RX e450 in the newspaper and the guy who test drove it showed a picture of it and commented on it.
Normal driving position was at 10 and 2 when I taught driving to high school students, I think you would have to hold on at 9 and 3 to use that steering wheel.

laurasdada

I believe that the yoke is an option on the Lexus, a normal wheel is available. Or, maybe vice-versa; but I just don't get the yoke. I never do.

imidazol97

If you buy a car with one of those, the yoke's on you?

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

kyfdx said:

I think that steering wheel is a pre-production model. All the pictures I see show a normal wheel.

Maybe, but I just read a review of the RX e450 in the newspaper and the guy who test drove it showed a picture of it and commented on it.
Normal driving position was at 10 and 2 when I taught driving to high school students, I think you would have to hold on at 9 and 3 to use that steering wheel.

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If it was a Tesla you could do the autopilot thingy.

jmonroe

stickguy

9-3 is now recommended (and probably should be 8-4) because of airbags, to keep your forearms out of the way.

driver100

When I was a kid my friends father had a 54 Ford, and he cranked the steering wheel using one of these;


I wonder if it would work with a yolk?

stickguy

a Necker knob!

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

When I was a kid my friends father had a 54 Ford, and he cranked the steering wheel using one of these;


I wonder if it would work with a yolk?

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The last time I saw one of those it was on a forklift.

jmonroe

qbrozen

I consider that steering device a safety issue. As I’ve recently taught my son, I am insistent that the driver’s arms should not cross and should use shuffling instead. Can’t shuffle that steering non-wheel thing.

Michaell

@fintail - you've got mail!

tjc78

I’m pretty sure if you get the Lexus with that yoke the steering assist/geometry is much different. It doesn’t require full turns to go lock to lock and reacts differently depending on speed you are going.

snakeweasel

@fintail said:
Different for the sake of being different. That steering wheel will be troublesome for the cohort who nervously grips their wheel at 11 and 1 at all times.

That steering wheel will be troublesome for any turn greater than a slight drifting turn.

driver100

tjc78 said:

I’m pretty sure if you get the Lexus with that yoke the steering assist/geometry is much different. It doesn’t require full turns to go lock to lock and reacts differently depending on speed you are going.

Yes, I believe that is what I read in the review of the RX e 450. Very short turning radius.

fintail

snakeweasel said:

@fintail said:

Different for the sake of being different. That steering wheel will be troublesome for the cohort who nervously grips their wheel at 11 and 1 at all times.

That steering wheel will be troublesome for any turn greater than a slight drifting turn.

i wonder if the "yoke" in edgy Muskmobiles contributes to similar issues.

venture

I was just looking at my Subaru dealers' web site. Particularly at Forester's since my wife doesn't need something as big as the Ascent anymore, and she still wants a Subaru.

They have about 4 in stock and about 10 "In Transit". Some of them show a $1,000 discount right on the web page so discounts are starting to become available. The bad news is the $1,000 discounts are on the $39,000 Foresters. They sure got expensive.

We are going to wait for the 2024 redesign that is rumored, especially since we don't have the title to the Ascent. Grrr.

tjc78

@snakeweasel said:

@fintail said:
Different for the sake of being different. That steering wheel will be troublesome for the cohort who nervously grips their wheel at 11 and 1 at all times.

That steering wheel will be troublesome for any turn greater than a slight drifting turn.

Watch a video on it, very different geometry from a round wheel. I’m not saying it wouldn’t be difficult to get used to, but if you aren’t turning it 360 degrees it’s not as bad as you think

kyfdx

@venture

Foresters are still extremely popular, and low on inventory. I wouldn't get my hopes up.

explorerx4

The local Subi dealer has 26 Foresters listed between 29 and 40k.

kyfdx

explorerx4 said:

The local Subi dealer has 26 Foresters listed between 29 and 40k.

Wow. My local dealer has 35 2023 models in total, and ZERO Foresters. Another nearby dealer has 61 cars, with just 5 Foresters. Another one: 27 total, 4 Foresters

I'd wonder if your dealer is listing everything in transit for the entire region/market?

Michaell

The Subaru dealer where we got our Outback shows 34 Foresters, either in stock or in transit.

The dealer closest to me only shows 11 Foresters, however (and, they're AutoNation)

ab348

Local Sube dealer (we only have the one) has 3 Foresters in stock, black, gray or blue, all black inside. Two are Touring trim, the third a Wilderness for a few thou more.

snakeweasel

@tjc78 said:

@snakeweasel said:

@fintail said:
Different for the sake of being different. That steering wheel will be troublesome for the cohort who nervously grips their wheel at 11 and 1 at all times.

That steering wheel will be troublesome for any turn greater than a slight drifting turn.

Watch a video on it, very different geometry from a round wheel. I’m not saying it wouldn’t be difficult to get used to, but if you aren’t turning it 360 degrees it’s not as bad as you think

I would think that anything over 90 degrees would be an issue.

stickguy

snakeweasel said:

@tjc78 said:

@snakeweasel said:

@fintail said:

Different for the sake of being different. That steering wheel will be troublesome for the cohort who nervously grips their wheel at 11 and 1 at all times.

That steering wheel will be troublesome for any turn greater than a slight drifting turn.

Watch a video on it, very different geometry from a round wheel. I’m not saying it wouldn’t be difficult to get used to, but if you aren’t turning it 360 degrees it’s not as bad as you think

I would think that anything over 90 degrees would be an issue.

not if you go hand over hand. A shuffle is going to be tough though.

imidazol97

I check out the local Subaru store 2 or 3 times a week. The new car section has been somewhat barren for years as far as cars sitting on the ground looking for an owner to purchase them. I see a few on the ground outside these days. I assume they likely have presold most of their allotments. I check the store from a distance as I drive by on the interstate overpass.

This store is in an area of high military population.

stickguy

I don't go by dealers much at my new house. Other than a Chevy dealer I pass fairly often, and a Ford slightly less often. those are both only a few minutes away. Also a GMC/Buick dealer is closest, but on a stretch of road I rarely use. everything else is about 15 minutes away or more, and/or in an area I normally never go to.

maybe next week if there is a nice day I will make up an excuse to run some errands, and go hit up a few!

explorerx4

I just saw a commercial on TV and that Subaru dealer has 3 locations, so maybe what I saw was across all of them.

roadburner

stickguy said:

not if you go hand over hand. A shuffle is going to be tough though.

What about the bozos who rest their wrist on the top of the wheel?
How will those goofballs adapt?

driver100

.....and then there is......

driver100

DIY yoke;

kyfdx

explorerx4 said:

I just saw a commercial on TV and that Subaru dealer has 3 locations, so maybe what I saw was across all of them.

Yeah, that would make a lot more sense. But, still an impressive inventory of Foresters, even for three dealerships.

stickguy

Just checked. My local Subaru dealer shows 49 new cars with 8 being foresters. No clue how many are incoming vs on the lot.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

DIY yoke;

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That ain’t gonna pass PA state inspection.

jmonroe

mjfloyd1

I just noticed the sword shifter

driver100

mjfloyd1 said:

I just noticed the sword shifter

Nice!

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

DIY yoke;

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That ain’t gonna pass PA state inspection.

jmonroe

With all your skill, you could probably modify your Genny.

snakeweasel

@mjfloyd1 said:
I just noticed the sword shifter

How do you think he modified the steering wheel?

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

.....and then there is......

That’s how my niece turned the wheel the first time she had to go around a circle. I had to take her hands and move them so she could understand how to do it.

qbrozen

@oldfarmer50 said:
That’s how my niece turned the wheel the first time she had to go around a circle. I had to take her hands and move them so she could understand how to do it.

Crossing over was how my son’s paid driving instructor taught him. Ugh!!

roadburner

I find that I spend a lot of time with novice students teaching them how to properly hold the wheel. It's amazing how little some students know.

snakeweasel

@roadburner said:
I find that I spend a lot of time with novice students teaching them how to properly hold the wheel. It's amazing how little some students know.

I would say the best way is very carefully and with some good thick gloves.

jmonroe1

@snakeweasel said:

@roadburner said:
I find that I spend a lot of time with novice students teaching them how to properly hold the wheel. It's amazing how little some students know.

I would say the best way is very carefully and with some good thick gloves.

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That could very well be the cutting edge of wheel technology.

jmonroe

tjc78

@jmonroe1 said:

@snakeweasel said:

@roadburner said:
I find that I spend a lot of time with novice students teaching them how to properly hold the wheel. It's amazing how little some students know.

I would say the best way is very carefully and with some good thick gloves.

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That could very well be the cutting edge of wheel technology.

jmonroe

Stick to waxing your Genny and leave comedy to the professionals. 😛😛😛😛😛

jmonroe1

@tjc78 said:

@jmonroe1 said:

@snakeweasel said:

@roadburner said:
I find that I spend a lot of time with novice students teaching them how to properly hold the wheel. It's amazing how little some students know.

I would say the best way is very carefully and with some good thick gloves.

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That could very well be the cutting edge of wheel technology.

jmonroe

Stick to waxing your Genny and leave comedy to the professionals. 😛😛😛😛😛

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I’ll try my best, honest.

jmonroe