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driver100

explorerx4 said:

Good news! Honda is building a 5 liter(302 CI) V8. Bad news, it's marine engine.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/honda-finally-built-a-v-8-engine/ar-AA1h6PIt?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=0db41af6beac4dceaf23eca61dd1e2c5&ei=26

I thought you were going to say they were going to use the old Ford 302s
I had one in my 1973 Maverick!

kyfdx

My first two cars were Fords with 302 V-8s

oldfarmer50

kyfdx said:

My first two cars were Fords with 302 V-8s

My 85’ F-150 had that 302. 180 screaming horses. Funny to think that my current 5.0L has two and a half times more.

kyfdx

oldfarmer50 said:

kyfdx said:

My first two cars were Fords with 302 V-8s

My 85’ F-150 had that 302. 180 screaming horses. Funny to think that my current 5.0L has two and a half times more.

I don't know the HP of the '70 Galaxie, but it had a 2-bbl carb, and was on it's last legs.

The '77 Cobra II has the world's smallest 2-bbl carb, and was rated at a whopping 135 HP.

Actually, 180 was pretty good for 1985. My aunt had a Lincoln LSC (same year/engine) that I think was only rated at 165 hp.

sda

About 9:30 this morning I was going to head out and pick up some items. Click, click, click. ugh. The battery in the Passat failed without warning. It was fine yesterday. I had my wife steer the car as I pushed it out of the garage so I could jump start it. Of course it starts to rain. I will spare the details but used the TL as the jump vehicle. The VW dealer said bring it in they could replace the battery. I asked them to do a cursory inspection while I was there. Glad I did, they found a leaking thermostat. i called my wife to come pick me up, the car would be ready after 2pm. Thankfully the repair was covered by warranty. It is never convenient to have an unexpected out of service event. I am glad it happened today rather than tomorrow or strand me 40 miles away at the company parking garage as I commute in all next week. All good now. whew.

jmonroe1

sda said:

About 9:30 this morning I was going to head out and pick up some items. Click, click, click. ugh. The battery in the Passat failed without warning. It was fine yesterday. I had my wife steer the car as I pushed it out of the garage so I could jump start it. Of course it starts to rain. I will spare the details but used the TL as the jump vehicle. The VW dealer said bring it in they could replace the battery. I asked them to do a cursory inspection while I was there. Glad I did, they found a leaking thermostat. i called my wife to come pick me up, the car would be ready after 2pm. Thankfully the repair was covered by warranty. It is never convenient to have an unexpected out of service event. I am glad it happened today rather than tomorrow or strand me 40 miles away at the company parking garage as I commute in all next week. All good now. whew.

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The best place to have a dead battery is in your garage. I’ve had that happen a handful of times in my 60 + years of driving.

Most of the time I replace them if given a warning and/or it’s getting up there in years.

BTW, a good battery for my Genny will cost me close to 300 bucks.

jmonroe

roadburner

A couple of years ago the current BMW battery in the ti was acting up- everything electrical worked but no cranking- or even a click from the solenoid. At first I thought that it might be the EWS(anti-theft) system or possibly the starter. I left it on the battery tender and it fired right up. Hmmm... I took the battery to AutoZone and had it load tested twice and both times it checked out fine. Now I was really perplexed. I finally figured out what the problem was; I had bought a BMW USB charger that fit in the lighter socket; it was illuminated with a fairly bright LED. Unlike modern BMWs, the lighter socket in the ti remains hot- it doesn't go to sleep 15 minutes after shutting down the engine. I removed the charger and the problem was solved.

imidazol97

My 03 leSabre had a switchable fuse for the lighter socket. One way kept socket hot; other had it go off with the retained power after 10.

stickguy

parasitic draws can drive you nuts. I love watching pine hollow auto diagnostics videos where he is tracking them down, and how he approaches it. Very cool doing electronic diagnostics.

his current series is on a 2018 LR Discovery (big shock there) with some weird problems, biggest being intermittent no crank. Seems that the problem was the backup power supply (a 3.6v rechargeable battery) for the telematics control module was going bad. And that was enough for the TCU to say nope, push the button all you want, I ain't telling the ECU to start the car.

even by LR that makes little sense. I could see popping a message that the battery is bad, and need to replace it, but if the main power is there, why not start?

abacomike

I've seen hundreds of NFL football games in my 78 years, many in person, however I've never seen anything like this afternoon's game between Denver and Miami. Miami scored 10 touchdowns and only had to punt once in the four quarters. Let's face it, Denver is not the best team in the NFL, but they are not the worst either.

With only 2+ minutes left in the game, Miami had an opportunity to kick a field goal to end up scoring 73 points in order to set a new NFL record for most points scored in a game. But they were true champs when the coach, Mike McDaniels, made the decision to have the quarterback take a knee in order to turn the ball over in downs to Denver on their own 10 yard line. That's showing class - why tack on points to an already defeated Denver in order to set an NFL record. McDaniel's is already taking lots of heat for denying his team an NFL record, but he was a bigger man than that. Final score - 70 to 20.

If you can see the game on YouTube, it is definitely worth your time. Miami quarterback Tua passed for about another 300+ yards with 4 TD passes and a total of over 700 total yards in offense. Miraculous.

28firefighter

I mean, I’d argue even getting to 70 pts was excessive and not necessary, but I didn’t watch the game so maybe that was even with the second string in.

jmonroe1

abacomike said:

I've seen hundreds of NFL football games in my 78 years, many in person, however I've never seen anything like this afternoon's game between Denver and Miami. Miami scored 10 touchdowns and only had to punt once in the four quarters. Let's face it, Denver is not the best team in the NFL, but they are not the worst either.

With only 2+ minutes left in the game, Miami had an opportunity to kick a field goal to end up scoring 73 points in order to set a new NFL record for most points scored in a game. But they were true champs when the coach, Mike McDaniels, made the decision to have the quarterback take a knee in order to turn the ball over in downs to Denver on their own 10 yard line. That's showing class - why tack on points to an already defeated Denver in order to set an NFL record. McDaniel's is already taking lots of heat for denying his team an NFL record, but he was a bigger man than that. Final score - 70 to 20.

If you can see the game on YouTube, it is definitely worth your time. Miami quarterback Tua passed for about another 300+ yards with 4 TD passes and a total of over 700 total yards in offense. Miraculous.

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Miami is a better team than Denver but not by that much.

A score like that only happens when a team quits. Denver has more problems than that final score.

jmonroe

kyfdx

28firefighter said:

I mean, I’d argue even getting to 70 pts was excessive and not necessary, but I didn’t watch the game so maybe that was even with the second string in.

Yeah, one drive was the 2nd string running back running for 8 yards, then 67 yards.. two plays.

So, mostly a failure by Denver's defense.

explorerx4

A long day yesterday for our football trip.
OSU won with 3 seconds left a disappointment for us ND fans.
We stood the whole game except for time outs.
Half an hour to get from our seats to the car and another 1 1/2 hours to get out of the parking lot, so even though the game ended fairly early, we didn't get home until 3:45 AM.
Son in Law showed up with the grandkids and the dog just after 8 this morning.
Long day after our football trip, too. HA HA.

Michaell

As the resident Broncos fan, I switched off the game at halftime and started watching RedZone.

Denver is far, far worse than the pundits say. Peyton was expected to be a miracle maker, but the problems extend to both sides of the ball. Injuries haven't helped, either.

I wasn't expecting a much better record than last years 5-12, but now I'm not even sure we can achieve that. We still have two games against KC, two against the Chargers, as well as games against Dallas and Philly.

driver100

If you don't have the time, 1 minute 7 second recap of the Denver vs Miami game;
https://www.espn.com/nfl/recap/_/gameId/401547429

kyfdx

explorerx4 said:

A long day yesterday for our football trip.
OSU won with 3 seconds left a disappointment for us ND fans.
We stood the whole game except for time outs.
Half an hour to get from our seats to the car and another 1 1/2 hours to get out of the parking lot, so even though the game ended fairly early, we didn't get home until 3:45 AM.
Son in Law showed up with the grandkids and the dog just after 8 this morning.
Long day after our football trip, too. HA HA.

You should have asked me about parking..

explorerx4

@kyfdx,
We had a parking pass in one of the golf course parking areas, but it was full(?) when we got there.
Had to park in a different area, although they accepted our parking pass.
If you have any good idea's, I'm listening.

imidazol97

explorerx4 said:

A long day yesterday for our football trip.
OSU won with 3 seconds left a disappointment for us ND fans.
We stood the whole game except for time outs.
Half an hour to get from our seats to the car and another 1 1/2 hours to get out of the parking lot, so even though the game ended fairly early, we didn't get home until 3:45 AM.
Son in Law showed up with the grandkids and the dog just after 8 this morning.
Long day after our football trip, too. HA HA.

That was an exciting ending, especially for us Buckeye fans. Usually last minutes of OSU games are opposite of this game with OSU losing.

kyfdx

explorerx4 said:

@kyfdx,
We had a parking pass in one of the golf course parking areas, but it was full(?) when we got there.
Had to park in a different area, although they accepted our parking pass.
If you have any good idea's, I'm listening.

I've only been once.. two years ago when UC beat Notre Dame.

Across the road from the main entrance, and about 3-4 blocks west, there are residential streets where you can find free parking. About 15-20 minute walk to stadium, at most.

We got there pretty early, though, as we'd never been, and wanted to walk around campus. Then, spent some time in the new fake Irish bar that's directly across from the entrance.

I did a search on Tripadvisor forums for South Bend, found an old post about parking, and replied to it, and sure enough the original poster came back with some details.

But, we stayed in Portland on the way up, and Warsaw on the way back, so we weren't trying to make it home.

kyfdx

@explorerx4

Peashway and Napoleon streets. They run parallel and just south of Angela Blvd.

But, we were there at 09:30 AM for a 2:00 PM game.

kyfdx

kyfdx said:

@explorerx4

Peashway and Napoleon streets. They run parallel and just south of Angela Blvd.

But, we were there at 09:30 AM for a 2:00 PM game.

tripadvisor member @ysuindy has the most helpful post about ND parking:

Re: Notre dame parking gameday
Aug 2, 2023, 11:23 PM

I always park on the street in the Harters Heights neighborhood which is south of Angela and west of Notre Dame Avenue. I want to park on Peashway or Pokagon or on the north-south streets that run between them

You will need to access this neighborhood from the south (off Howard Street) as access to Angela is blocked. There are a few spots where one side of the street is no parking.

Just don’t block a driveway and you will be fine. I’ve parked here for 20 years. Usually get out quickly by heading south through the neighborhoods. Of course we’re heading south to get home

There will be people along Peashway that park cars in their front yard.

The earlier you get there, the closer you will be to campus. And you will want to be early to have time to walk around campus and take in the sights.

If you want to use campus parking Burke golf course is much closer than the blue lot. I’ve never done it - seems like getting out would take awhile

explorerx4

@kyfdx,
Thanks for the parking info.
Got there about 3:15 for a 7:30 game.
We were supposed to park in Burke off Angela but had to park in Burke off Dorr.
Brought a modest tailgating setup, 6 foot table, four chairs and a cooler and spent a couple hours hanging there before we headed to the game.
One problem was that everyone stayed to the end of the game.

kyfdx

explorerx4 said:

@kyfdx,
Thanks for the parking info.
Got there about 3:15 for a 7:30 game.
We were supposed to park in Burke off Angela but had to park in Burke off Dorr.
Brought a modest tailgating setup, 6 foot table, four chairs and a cooler and spent a couple hours hanging there before we headed to the game.
One problem was that everyone stayed to the end of the game.

Yeah, you can't really tailgate on the city streets, over there. But, we found the bar, so all was good.

ab348

Hey, guys, I’ve got a novel idea - let’s talk dishwashers! 😀

Actually, I’ve decided to get all new kitchen appliances since mine are over 20 years old and the fridge is forcing the issue by being on its last legs. The existing ones are all white and I don’t want to replace just the fridge because I don’t want white again but I also don’t want one oddball compared to the others. Plus I figure none of them owe me anything after all those years. So I’ve been researching over the last few days.

To my great surprise the best combination for features, design and value right now locally seems to be Frigidaire. My old fridge is a Kenmore built by Frigidaire and while it is now troublesome after many years I’m not dead-set against the brand. There is a Whirlpool fridge I like a bit more that is a bit more expensive but which I might go with as an alternative to the Frigidaire which is currently leading the field because it’s now on sale. The range seems no contest as Frigidaire has a nice-looking one that has great reviews at a very good price.

Dishwasher is a bit of a crapshoot. I use it once a week so I don’t need a $2000 job. Frigidaires are good value but seem a bit basic. There is a nice Whirlpool with a stainless tub that is a 47db machine that I’m leaning towards. Interesting to see some less than glowing reviews of Bosch’s 100 and 300 series machines, while up here the 500 series is twice the cost of the Whirlpool and very hard to justify.

I have a Frigidaire over-the-range microwave/hood currently and am likely to replace it with similar, but I am intrigued by the new low-profile ones that are only about 10” tall. Not sure how practical that would be to live with. Have at it!

Michaell

ab348 said:

Hey, guys, I’ve got a novel idea - let’s talk dishwashers! 😀

Actually, I’ve decided to get all new kitchen appliances since mine are over 20 years old and the fridge is forcing the issue by being on its last legs. The existing ones are all white and I don’t want to replace just the fridge because I don’t want white again but I also don’t want one oddball compared to the others. Plus I figure none of them owe me anything after all those years. So I’ve been researching over the last few days.

To my great surprise the best combination for features, design and value right now locally seems to be Frigidaire. My old fridge is a Kenmore built by Frigidaire and while it is now troublesome after many years I’m not dead-set against the brand. There is a Whirlpool fridge I like a bit more that is a bit more expensive but which I might go with as an alternative to the Frigidaire which is currently leading the field because it’s now on sale. The range seems no contest as Frigidaire has a nice-looking one that has great reviews at a very good price.

Dishwasher is a bit of a crapshoot. I use it once a week so I don’t need a $2000 job. Frigidaires are good value but seem a bit basic. There is a nice Whirlpool with a stainless tub that is a 47db machine that I’m leaning towards. Interesting to see some less than glowing reviews of Bosch’s 100 and 300 series machines, while up here the 500 series is twice the cost of the Whirlpool and very hard to justify.

I have a Frigidaire over-the-range microwave/hood currently and am likely to replace it with similar, but I am intrigued by the new low-profile ones that are only about 10” tall. Not sure how practical that would be to live with. Have at it!

We have a Whirlpool dishwasher that was under $1000 that we love. So much so, we bought a second one for the cooking studio.

tjc78

I have a Kitchen Aid DW which is Whirlpool and in my old house I had a Kenmore by Whirlpool and loved that too. I don’t think you can go wrong.

stickguy

We tentatively picked out appliances for our new build. Based on a combo of reputation, price,and features we ended up picking Frigidaire too

venture

Maybe old news, but when we remodeled our kitchen about 5 years ago, we went with all Whirlpool.

Not very long, but not a bit of trouble with any of them.

andres3

Wasn't it the Bills that blew came back from a 35 point halftime lead deficit in the Playoffs about a decade or 2 ago??? 70 points ain't too much at all!

driver100

I like Whirlpool....we have a 2-door counter depth model in Florida. I think Whirlpool is pretty reliable and I haven't heard of service horror stories.
Color....we have white in Florida but I think stainless is less expensive and easier to find these days. We have black in our home-home, but that was what we got when we bought the place, not something we would actually buy unless replacing appliances one at a time.
Microwave....our black one got replaced by a Panasonic, mostly stainless with a bit of black trim, seems fairly slim, works well but when it stops it has an annoying alarm that goes off 3 times, in about 20 seconds it keeps going off........it works great though.
Good luck...if you like it and it costs more you will never be sorry you spent a bit extra.
btw....counter depth fridge is not as large inside but gives you more floor space and might be better for traffic flow.

jmonroe1

ab348 said:

Hey, guys, I’ve got a novel idea - let’s talk dishwashers! 😀

Actually, I’ve decided to get all new kitchen appliances since mine are over 20 years old and the fridge is forcing the issue by being on its last legs. The existing ones are all white and I don’t want to replace just the fridge because I don’t want white again but I also don’t want one oddball compared to the others. Plus I figure none of them owe me anything after all those years. So I’ve been researching over the last few days.

To my great surprise the best combination for features, design and value right now locally seems to be Frigidaire. My old fridge is a Kenmore built by Frigidaire and while it is now troublesome after many years I’m not dead-set against the brand. There is a Whirlpool fridge I like a bit more that is a bit more expensive but which I might go with as an alternative to the Frigidaire which is currently leading the field because it’s now on sale. The range seems no contest as Frigidaire has a nice-looking one that has great reviews at a very good price.

Dishwasher is a bit of a crapshoot. I use it once a week so I don’t need a $2000 job. Frigidaires are good value but seem a bit basic. There is a nice Whirlpool with a stainless tub that is a 47db machine that I’m leaning towards. Interesting to see some less than glowing reviews of Bosch’s 100 and 300 series machines, while up here the 500 series is twice the cost of the Whirlpool and very hard to justify.

I have a Frigidaire over-the-range microwave/hood currently and am likely to replace it with similar, but I am intrigued by the new low-profile ones that are only about 10” tall. Not sure how practical that would be to live with. Have at it!

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I’m about where you are with appliances.

We redid the kitchen in 2010. Appliances are from different manufacturers (except range and original dishwasher). Samsung fridge (ice maker just started acting up about a year ago). Rarely use ice so no big loss since it still works most of the time. Kenmore electric range (high burner on the right top front died about 2 years ago but don’t miss it since still have a small burner in that spot and left front top is also a big burner). I’m not going to talk about the LG microwave because you guys know my policy about talking about cars and appliances that have been trouble free. I got a full replacement, including tax, for the Kenmore dishwasher that went when it was 13 months old and out of warranty. Got a Samsung for that which had to be repaired twice under extended warranty until it had to be replaced in July of this year. Went with a Maytag because a mom and pop store recommended it although they liked Bosch and Kitchen Aid more (said the Bosch and Kitchen Aid brand carried a lot of weight with folks so they had lots of those) but he felt for the money the Maytag was a better buy especially since he thought it cleaned just as well. The guy gave me the Maytag model number of the one he liked but said they couldn’t get that one for at least 3 weeks. Just so happens Lowe’s had that model in stock so I bought it at Lowe’s.

I told this before when I was at Lowe’s:

2 dishwashers away from the Maytag they had a Kitchen Aid that had a couple more features than the Maytag. We didn’t need those features. Of course the Kitchen Aid price was higher too because of that . IIRC, the Kitchen Aid was a little over a grand, whereas the Maytag cost a tad over $700. I really studied the two of them, since they were so close to each other, and the controls were the same except for the additional buttons for the additional features on the Kitchen Aid. However, the interior stainless tub and inside of the door were 100% identical for both, right down to the stamping marks. So that backed up what the mom and pop store told me about Kitchen Aid, Maytag and at least one other brand coming out of the same factory. I can’t really give a report on how well the Maytag will be because it’s still an infant. But so lfar it does a good job. I can’t say it is better than the Samsung because when the Samsung worked it was damn good. Although the Maytag seems to be a little bit quieter but the Samsung was pretty good too (I think 50 db for the Maytag, don’t know what the Samsung was). db ratings don’t bother me (to a point) because I buy a dishwasher for how well it cleans dishes not how well I can sleep in the same room with it.

Just for your info you’ll like beer better when it’s chilled in a stainless unit compared to when it comes out of that old antique white job you have now.

jmonroe

driver100

@jmonroe1
I agree with this: Went with a Maytag because a mom and pop store recommended it although they liked Bosch and Kitchen Aid more (said the Bosch and Kitchen Aid brand carried a lot of weight with folks so they had lots of those) but he felt for the money the Maytag was a better buy especially since he thought it cleaned just as well.
We got a Maytag in Florida and it works fine....also has a great food mulcher if needed, Euro models don't usually have that. I still like a Bosch because it runs quieter, the way you load it is arranged much better, it is quieter, and it handles like a Mercedes....smooth and easy.

dino001

I have Bosch 800-series, bought it about four years ago, so far it's great: quiet, cleans well except it leaves very faint, but nevertheless visible smudge residue in the inside bottoms of taller stainless steel pots, which can be easily removed with just rinsing them with small amount of vinegar, so no big issue after all. Not sure if DWs do that, but I can imagine it happens to most, unless they can somehow get much higher water pressure. I also like it's drying - doesn't cook the dishes, like some others, but still has temperature that's high enough to dry most, even plastic (unlike other types without heater). It's only plastic bowls with distinct ridges that can pond water that sometimes may have just a little bit left after the drying cycle.

I was considering Whirlpool brands when shopping, what turned me off was just lack of innovation in racks, especially bottom - basically looks like they're putting same bottom rack there as they did in 1970s. No folding tines, very basic. LG and Samsung had best racks in my opinion, but those had pretty poor drying and (still) atrocious warranty/past warranty service. I bought LG at Costco before I got the Bosch, it quit four months later, faulty electronic control module. That happens, I can take failure under warranty here and there, but LG had a estimated date of part availability as 3 months after the technician's visit (what's more, they wouldn't even call me about this, upfront, I had to call them about it after several weeks of waiting - that was probably the repair shop itself lacking customer service, not necessarily LG). After two futile attempts talking directly to LG support to speed it up, I called Costco, they leaned on them to buy it back from me. I'm weary of LG appliances from then. They're nice, attractive, very clever, the reliability has reportedly improved (people say they finally fixed their flawed fridge compressor design that was a nightmare for consumers and ended in courts), but once something goes wrong, they should have sufficient part availability, and they clearly don't seem to even try fixing that, as the problem is dragging on 20 years after their first major "marketing offensive" in early 2000s. All they seem to be interested in "new business", which is a downer.

explorerx4

On another favorite topic, SiriusXM, I had a subscription coming due at a high renewal rate.
I used the Chat feature to get 5.99 per month plus Royalties and Taxes with automatic renewal.
They then offered to put my other subscriptions on the same plan, so it looks like I don't need to call back for a while.

imidazol97

SiriusXM managed to "up" me to the $5.99 plan when I called to renew. She started at $6.99 with renewal option auto at _that_ price. After two more permutations she finally was down to $5.99, and I accepted that after tiring of negotiating back to the $4.99 plan I've had for a decade it seems.

I called to cancel a couple weeks later. They didn't even try to resell me then.

I realized I have lots of other music sources, like folks on here had been saying all along. And the music on the SXM was repetitive on the channels.

I got a phone call while driving about 4 weeks after cancelling from a young lady all hot to sell me a plan again. I told her they didn't want to give me the $4.999 which I wanted when I called the first time. And I enjoy living without it. So don't call me back.

I keep getting mail offers of $4.99 for 2 years along with email offers. Seems SXM doesn't know what their lower price plan is, but it will be without me, at least for now.

On my Malibu, I got the first two years free. My saleslady said they had trouble activating it for me. I waited for it to quit after 90 days and it never did. Two years later from date of purchase it quit. I've always wondered if the dealership was paying the bill for the SXM as a dealer car?

Then I called in for the $4.99 plan they were offering.

explorerx4

We listened to the Texas A&M/Auburn game on the way to our football game and USC/Arizona ST on the way back. It's very good for listening to sports.

kyfdx

I really like our Bosch (500 series). They appear to be about $1100, now vs. the $900 we paid in 2014!!

One word about KitchenAid. The lower priced ones come in "american style" with a grinder, and are noisier. They also make a "euro style" that is super quiet. (but, more expensive)

tjc78

I’ve given up on XM. Apple Music or Pandora premium is light years better. I can play virtually any full album, create custom playlists, tell Siri to play me a specific song or listen to their curated stations.

Well worth the money for less than it would cost to buy one CD a month.

ab348

kyfdx said:

I really like our Bosch (500 series). They appear to be about $1100, now vs. the $900 we paid in 2014!!

One word about KitchenAid. The lower priced ones come in "american style" with a grinder, and are noisier. They also make a "euro style" that is super quiet. (but, more expensive)

Best Buy Canada shows a KitchenAid 39db model (as quiet as pretty much any I’ve seen) that is marked down from $1299 to $999 (model KDTE204KPS) which has generally great reviews. Looking at pictures, it has the identical door to the Whirlppol I like and I suspect the internals are very similar. Reviews are pretty great for both but there are several mentions that people who replaced older KitchenAids with it were disappointed that the components seemed to be lower quality than they used to be. As others noted, it seems they are rebadged Whirlpools with a few extra features.

driver100

One thing to think about with a dishwasher is do you want the buttons and lights to show, or do you want them hidden on the top of the door.
I like them showing personally, and I like the ones on this Bosch model also at Best Buy Canada for $849.99, they say you will need a junction box for $33.

Bosch 100 Series 24" 50dB Built-In Dishwasher (SHEM3AY55N) - Stainless Steel
Model Number: SHEM3AY55N
Web Code: 12612039

If you check the way you load it you will see a Bosch is well thought out.

dino001

The problem with controls on top of the door is they are more vulnerable to flooding from spills on the counter than those positioned on front face. That was one of the reasons I didn't want them. I prefer front face control panel even if it's not "high end look".

Man, these prices went up! I think I paid for my black 800-series just about that amount in 2019 that now 100-Series is (but well, it's USD, not CAD, so yeah, there is still some difference). Junction box included.
Maybe it was over $900, but I'm sure it wasn't more than thousand bucks (plus tax and delivery, of course). There might have been $50 or $100 mail-in-rebate with it, I think, but wouldn't swear. Back then you'd have to pay over $1000 for these special signature or whatever it's called models that had even more fancy tines and really nice fancy handle. Mine still had third shelf, folding tines at top and bottom rack and very low dB rating (not the lowest ever but low enough to be whispering from even small distance).

kyfdx

The 100 series is missing a lot of features (including sound insulation).

I wouldn't get anything lower than the 300.

jmonroe1

dino001 said:

The problem with controls on top of the door is they are more vulnerable to flooding from spills on the counter than those positioned on front face. That was one of the reasons I didn't want them. I prefer front face control panel even if it's not "high end look".

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Only an engineer would think function over form. I’m beginning to think they have courses that teach that.

jmonroe

explorerx4

Only people without kids/grandkids want front controls on a dishwasher.

jmonroe1

explorerx4 said:

Only people without kids/grandkids want front controls on a dishwasher.

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I have 2 sons that grew up in a house with front controls on the dishwasher. Have also had 5 grandkids sleep over many times sometimes all of them at once and never had a problem with controls on the front of the dishwasher. So I know you can get through life like that.

jmonroe

ab348

dino001 said:

Man, these prices went up! I think I paid for my black 800-series just about that amount in 2019 that now 100-Series is (but well, it's USD, not CAD, so yeah, there is still some difference). Junction box included.
Maybe it was over $900, but I'm sure it wasn't more than thousand bucks (plus tax and delivery, of course).

Never underestimate the worthlessness of the worthless Canadian dollar.

explorerx4

@jmonroe1,
My grandkids are very curious. If they see a button, they want to push it. A door or drawer is closed, they want to open it. A light switch, they want to toggle it.

jmonroe1

explorerx4 said:

@jmonroe1,
My grandkids are very curious. If they see a button, they want to push it. A door or drawer is closed, they want to open it. A light switch, they want to toggle it.

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You don’t have to tell me about curiosity. Nobody was more curios than I was. I pushed more buttons than you could find in a shirt factory when I was growing up. So many that I’m lucky to still be here. My father had patience but not too much of that once he told me no and explained why no meant no. When I went ahead with my curiosity there was hell to pay and I paid plenty of that. Then one day out of the clear blue I came to the conclusion that there had to be a better way. Some folks would say that’s the day I grew up. In any case life was better after that.

When my sons did something I didn’t want them to do I tried to explain why it had to be my way or else. When they still did it their way, in time, they learned too. They must have been smarter because they learned faster than I did.

You just have to stay with it and eventually it works.

jmonroe

driver100

kyfdx said:

The 100 series is missing a lot of features (including sound insulation).

I wouldn't get anything lower than the 300.

Silence Rating
50 dB
I have a feeling Bosch basic models work as well as the fancier models, maybe with fewer settings, possibly slightly higher sound level. All we do is set it, use normal or express settings, occasionally pot scrubbing....and I don't know how dishes could turn out any better.
Prices in Canada are about 20 to 30% more.......in CDN Dollars.