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kyfdx

driver100 said:

kyfdx said:

My Bloody Mary, this morning.

What a great way to start the day! I think you got some of your important food groups there. 4 fruits (tomato, lime, lemon, olive) and some protein and necessary fat in the chicken wing. The vodka will help kill any bacteria.

Fortification for four hours outside watching the Bengals.

jmonroe1

tjc78 said:

@stickguy said:

I’ve seen bacon but never a chicken wing.

Bloody Mary ‘s loaded with all kinds of garnishes is a thing now. Some come with skewers of sliders, chicken, shrimp, etc. I think of them more like an appetizer and drink in one

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Good idea for folks who don’t want to give up their seat at the bar to get a bite to eat. Now if they can only find a way to eliminate the need for getting up to go to the rest room. That guy will make a fortune.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

jmonroe1 said:

tjc78 said:

@stickguy said:

I’ve seen bacon but never a chicken wing.

Bloody Mary ‘s loaded with all kinds of garnishes is a thing now. Some come with skewers of sliders, chicken, shrimp, etc. I think of them more like an appetizer and drink in one

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Good idea for folks who don’t want to give up their seat at the bar to get a bite to eat. Now if they can only find a way to eliminate the need for getting up to go to the rest room. That guy will make a fortune.

jmonroe

I guess it Depends.🤣

jmonroe1

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe1 said:

tjc78 said:

@stickguy said:

I’ve seen bacon but never a chicken wing.

Bloody Mary ‘s loaded with all kinds of garnishes is a thing now. Some come with skewers of sliders, chicken, shrimp, etc. I think of them more like an appetizer and drink in one

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Good idea for folks who don’t want to give up their seat at the bar to get a bite to eat. Now if they can only find a way to eliminate the need for getting up to go to the rest room. That guy will make a fortune.

jmonroe

I guess it Depends.🤣
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If what I hear is true about folks using those on New Years Eve when going to Times Square, that problem has already been solved.

jmonroe

driver100

A friends B-I-L got a new Tesla. He drove to upstate N.Y. near Buffalo, he needed a charge but there were no charging stations around. He plugged it into a regular socket at the motel....charged at the rate of 3 miles for every hour. He ended up with about 30 miles plus the 50 that were miles left gave him about 80 miles and my friend assumes his B-I-L made it to a charging station.....he hopes.

stickguy

I just looked. There are numerous supercharger stations in and around buffalo and along the thruway between buffalo and Rochester.

laurasdada

driver100 said:

A friends B-I-L got a new Tesla. He drove to upstate N.Y. near Buffalo, he needed a charge but there were no charging stations around. He plugged it into a regular socket at the motel....charged at the rate of 3 miles for every hour. He ended up with about 30 miles plus the 50 that were miles left gave him about 80 miles and my friend assumes his B-I-L made it to a charging station.....he hopes.

So, if I'm reading between the lines, you'll be buying an EV in the next few weeks?

kyfdx

My "friend's B-I-L" is an idiot that doesn't know how to use the Tesla APP, even though he owns one.

stickguy

Early on Tesla buyers understood what they were buying and that the travel and charging process was different. And learned the tools and planned ahead, and did just fine.

It’s sounds like more buyers today (at least in drivers narrative universe) are buying one because they are cool or some such reason. And not bothering to understand how the EV life works. So that is a them problem, not a Tesla problem.

tjc78

The cars do it for you. Navigate to where you are going and if you need a charge it tells you to stop on the way.

I spoke to a guy who has an EQS sedan and an EQS SUV for his wife. They drive them all up and down the east coast for work with never an issue.

The only thing he said is sometimes the car recommends only charging to X% to keep moving to the next station, but they spend a few minutes more and juice up to 80% at least just in case.

driver100

kyfdx said:

My "friend's B-I-L" is an idiot that doesn't know how to use the Tesla APP, even though he owns one.

My friend told us what happened.......there was no reason to make up the story. He may not have wanted to drive 20 miles to a charging station or something.....I am just reporting the facts as I heard them......and I put that into my things to check if I was considering buying one.

jmonroe1

stickguy said:

Early on Tesla buyers understood what they were buying and that the travel and charging process was different. And learned the tools and planned ahead, and did just fine.

It’s sounds like more buyers today (at least in drivers narrative universe) are buying one because they are cool or some such reason. And not bothering to understand how the EV life works. So that is a them problem, not a Tesla problem.

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How far would you say the average EV owner is willing to go before they feel planning a trip around charging stations is too much of an inconvenience and decide to take their ICE vehicle? But of course if they decide to take their EV they’ll have to find one because the alternative is even worse. You can’t cut off your nose to spite your face at that point. For me, until reliable charging stations are as convenient as my corner gas station, I’m out.

jmonroe

stickguy

And you don’t have to. The whole point was that you should understand what the ownership experience is like before deciding which you seem to have done.

Though I would bet you would be a perfect candidate. How often does the Genny go more than 100 miles from your house? Because if the answer is never (or you would just take the other car) the answer to the convenience question is it is much more convenient since the charger is in your garage. Even better no pumping gas when it’s below zero any more!

tjc78

Everyone is over complicating the whole EV experience.

Here is a screen shot of charging stations from just ONE provider all near my home. Obviously the PA wouldn’t be convenient but plenty of density in one small area

laurasdada

driver100 said:

kyfdx said:

My "friend's B-I-L" is an idiot that doesn't know how to use the Tesla APP, even though he owns one.

My friend told us what happened.......there was no reason to make up the story. He may not have wanted to drive 20 miles to a charging station or something.....I am just reporting the facts as I heard them......and I put that into my things to check if I was considering buying one.

You only seem to report negatives, as you appear to have some apprehension over an evolving technology. Which, for many, works just fine.

I had a Dr. appt. last week, in my old hometown. So, with errands after, drove a total of 113.2 miles, averaged 41.9mpg and 9.8mi/kwh at an average of 45mph (all per on-board). This trip is easily 4-10x a normal day driving for me, almost any EV on the market today could have accomplished this, even in winter, with no need to charge during the trip. So, if I wasn't your BIL, knowing the use case for the technology that I purchased/leased, a non-issue.

Now if I was taking a longer trip, say the ~235 mile rt to my fave place, I would likely have to plan a charging stop (as the destination has only four chargers, free, and until recently, at least 1-2 were usually offline. Last few visits, all working. And, there are 110 outlets in the garage, for my PHEV that's fine for an overnight fill-up. But, if I found a free spot, issue solved). And, I would have some range anxiety. But, I know of two free state of RI chargers on my route home and would no doubt plot other potential stops (and as earlier and often noted, the horse knows the way to carry the electro-sleigh to chargers).

Human nature: First you fear new tech, then you reject it.

tjc78

When you are on the road there are plenty. Many of which are at the same rest stops as gasoline.

“Fill ups” take about 25 mins from 30% to 80%. So.. plug in, take a bio break and it takes you maybe 5-8 minutes longer than a traditional gas fill.

I haven’t even installed a home charger yet since charging has been so convenient. I have to go to North Jersey Monday and NYc Tuesday. I may take the EV and see how I do.

Probably about 250 miles. Most likely could do it on a full 100% charge but I’ll just go to 80% and fill before I depart for home

tjc78

Here is another provider…

jmonroe1

stickguy said:

And you don’t have to. The whole point was that you should understand what the ownership experience is like before deciding which you seem to have done.

Though I would bet you would be a perfect candidate. How often does the Genny go more than 100 miles from your house? Because if the answer is never (or you would just take the other car) the answer to the convenience question is it is much more convenient since the charger is in your garage. Even better no pumping gas when it’s below zero any more!

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You’re right, the Genny has never been more than 100 miles from home. Rarely more that 50 but I still don’t see myself getting an EV. Could be because I’d have to get a level 2 charger on my way home from the dealership and working with 220 volts ain’t childs play.

As for gassing up when it’s below zero, I don’t think that’s ever happened. I know how to plan better than that. So, maybe I could handle an EV but not quite yet.

jmonroe

imidazol97

Saw a nail in tire while waiting at the airport for son and DIL to give their Wheaten terrier back. My Michelins went a whole year before getting a nail this time. Usually it's during the first few months.
Grrrrrr.

cdnpinhead

The upshot is that EVs have "issues," which is why they're becoming harder to unload (sell? Get real -- they're all leased). It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out.

I'm very much on the sidelines.

roadburner

Akin to the moronic B-I-L, there are some dim bulbs on the 4xe boards who whine about the range of the Wrangler in electric mode. Jeep prominently advertises a range of 22 miles (in my experience it's closer to 26) so if your driving habits don't accommodate that you need to look elsewhere- and don't blame Jeep for your lack of basic reasoning skills.

driver100

Just to clarify. It wasn't my B-I-L, it was a tennis friends. He went to attend a funeral around the Buffalo area. HIS B-I-L had just bought the Tesla and it was his first real trip in it.
Yes, I am giving negative stories, but those are the kind that people usually do tell, they don't usually say I went on a 500 mile trip in my new Tesla and never had a problem.
I think it is better to know what people's experiences have been....good or bad, it helps to make a better decision if you are deciding.

Speaking of which....I just saw one of these making deliveries to our neighborhood this week....looks good with the big back surround sound taillights;

driver100

One positive for someone like JMonroe might be hardly any maintenance on a Tesla. No oil changes or fluids. Maybe alignments and cabin filters, brake fluid ever 3 or 4 years, wipers.....anything else?

tjc78

@driver100
I disagree with it being a bad experience. I think it was more poor planning.

A bad experience could have been if he researched charging spots in the area and “planned” to charge there and they were all broken.

Big difference from … “I passed the last charger and ended up too far from the next one” so I relied on 110V charging which is like charging your phone with a hearing aid battery.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

One positive for someone like JMonroe might be hardly any maintenance on a Tesla. No oil changes or fluids. Maybe alignments and cabin filters, brake fluid ever 3 or 4 years, wipers.....anything else?

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Spare bottles of electrolyte for the battery.

jmonroe

explorerx4

Watched 24K mile review of a Rivian. The owner said the tires needed replacement @12K.
He did work it pretty hard, though.

andres3

Speed Kills - This is how their support thesis is structured in a nutshell (foundation of cards):

1. IIHS posts highly biased junk science, mostly statistical projections/estimates based on absurd assumptions and preposterous presumptions.
2. HUGE corporate automated camera enforcement companies based out of Australia do the same thing, often posting them from Australian Universities to hide the shell game.
3. NHTSA gathers good FARS data but publishes non-sensical summaries, headlines, abstracts, and conclusions and for those that don't bother to read the whole study, they won't notice how glaringly the data doesn't support their positions and assertions.
4. AAA insurance/clubs/shell names under AAA post "studies" often using the IIHS and Australia as sources.
5. CDC publishes a report and the 2nd footnote is IIHS. It forms the basis of their presumptions and assumptions by saying the IIHS drivel is "well established" and "common sense."
6. WHO does similar to the CDC and might reference CDC. Appeals to assumptions being "Well Established" and "Common Sense" often form their first argument support.
7. Bicycle Bloggers post on the internet quoting IIHS and CDC and Australian sources. Appeals to assumptions being "Well Established" and "Common Sense" often form their first argument support.
8. President of the IIHS posts a report posing as a Bicycle Club/Organization quoting his very own IIHS material, go figure. Appeals to assumptions being "Well Established" and "Common Sense" often form their first argument support.
9. Various media journalists might fall into the regurgitation machine above and use one of the above sources. Appeals to assumptions being "Well Established" and "Common Sense" often form their first argument support.

What a circle jerk!

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

kyfdx said:

My "friend's B-I-L" is an idiot that doesn't know how to use the Tesla APP, even though he owns one.

My friend told us what happened.......there was no reason to make up the story. He may not have wanted to drive 20 miles to a charging station or something.....I am just reporting the facts as I heard them......and I put that into my things to check if I was considering buying one.

Yeah, most (if not all) EVs will tell you where the charging stations are. Perhaps the story you got left out some details like the recommended stations were broken, which happens a lot, or were all in use.

snakeweasel

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

One positive for someone like JMonroe might be hardly any maintenance on a Tesla. No oil changes or fluids. Maybe alignments and cabin filters, brake fluid ever 3 or 4 years, wipers.....anything else?

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Spare bottles of electrolyte for the battery.

jmonroe

Or for your plants.

pensfan83

@tjc78 said:
@driver100
I disagree with it being a bad experience. I think it was more poor planning.

A bad experience could have been if he researched charging spots in the area and “planned” to charge there and they were all broken.

Big difference from … “I passed the last charger and ended up too far from the next one” so I relied on 110V charging which is like charging your phone with a hearing aid battery.

It was absolutely poor planning and user error. 100% avoidable.

Michaell

As all the early adopters have had one (or more) EVs already, a lot of the new sales and leases are going to more casual owners, who may not have done the research on what it takes to have an EV in the garage.

Two minutes on YouTube will bring up a lot of videos about the ownership experience, and some folks who have taken their EVs on cross-country trips, documenting the stops, charging rates and times along the way.

Is it less convenient than driving an ICE vehicle from Chicago to Los Angeles? Undoubtedly. Can it be done? Absolutely - with the planning that others here have mentioned. And, with most EV brands throwing in some sort of "free" charging for the first year or two, these 2000/3000/4000 mile trips cost their owners $0 in fuel costs.

Yes, we need more infrastructure. Yes, the chargers need to be more reliable and have an improved charging rate. Yes, we have to solve the problem about folks who live in apartments not having a place to charge their EV.

I believe these problems will all be solved, eventually. Perhaps not as fast as our government wants, or the manufacturers who are committing multi-billion dollar sums to "convert" to EV. But, we'll get there in the next 10-20 years.

in the meantime, enjoy your high-HP, rip-snorting twin turbo V6s or the thrum of a well-tuned V8. I doubt those are going away (well, maybe the V8).

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

kyfdx said:

My "friend's B-I-L" is an idiot that doesn't know how to use the Tesla APP, even though he owns one.

My friend told us what happened.......there was no reason to make up the story. He may not have wanted to drive 20 miles to a charging station or something.....I am just reporting the facts as I heard them......and I put that into my things to check if I was considering buying one.

Yeah, most (if not all) EVs will tell you where the charging stations are. Perhaps the story you got left out some details like the recommended stations were broken, which happens a lot, or were all in use.

My friend was going home to Buffalo for a funeral. His brother-in-law just got his new Tesla, so he probably didn't know all the ins and outs about checking for charging stations.
So yes, he should have researched before going in the car, but still, another thing you have to think about.....especially range and time to charge.
It would be really aggravating to drive 10 or 20 miles to seek out a charger, and find that it doesn't work, or you have to wait........just seems like there could be more complications than looking for a gas station every 300 or 400 miles.

laurasdada

There are apps, I have Plugshare, which will note (by the actual consumers if they check in) as to the condition of the chargers. Interestingly, my trip to Waltham, one of the two chargers were reported as broken, but functional when I arrived. Perhaps the town is rather on the ball with their chargers.

Michaell

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

kyfdx said:

My "friend's B-I-L" is an idiot that doesn't know how to use the Tesla APP, even though he owns one.

My friend told us what happened.......there was no reason to make up the story. He may not have wanted to drive 20 miles to a charging station or something.....I am just reporting the facts as I heard them......and I put that into my things to check if I was considering buying one.

Yeah, most (if not all) EVs will tell you where the charging stations are. Perhaps the story you got left out some details like the recommended stations were broken, which happens a lot, or were all in use.

My friend was going home to Buffalo for a funeral. His brother-in-law just got his new Tesla, so he probably didn't know all the ins and outs about checking for charging stations.
So yes, he should have researched before going in the car, but still, another thing you have to think about.....especially range and time to charge.
It would be really aggravating to drive 10 or 20 miles to seek out a charger, and find that it doesn't work, or you have to wait........just seems like there could be more complications than looking for a gas station every 300 or 400 miles.

Did he not have an ICE car he could have taken instead, or was the Tesla his only choice?

If so, then I'll agree with others that he should have done his research before setting out on a road trip.

People who think that the ownership experience of an EV is the same as an ICE vehicle are in for a surprise, as your friends BIL discovered.

Things that you should learn at an early age - "choices have consequences" - also applies when you are an adult.

roadburner

Michaell said:

People who think that the ownership experience of an EV is the same as an ICE vehicle are in for a surprise, as your friends BIL discovered.

Things that you should learn at an early age - "choices have consequences" - also applies when you are an adult.

Or as a pilot once told me, "If you don't know, don't go."
The ordeal of the apocryphal "B-I-L" reminds me once again of the Douglas Adams quote,
“A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.”

driver100

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

kyfdx said:

My "friend's B-I-L" is an idiot that doesn't know how to use the Tesla APP, even though he owns one.

My friend told us what happened.......there was no reason to make up the story. He may not have wanted to drive 20 miles to a charging station or something.....I am just reporting the facts as I heard them......and I put that into my things to check if I was considering buying one.

Yeah, most (if not all) EVs will tell you where the charging stations are. Perhaps the story you got left out some details like the recommended stations were broken, which happens a lot, or were all in use.

My friend was going home to Buffalo for a funeral. His brother-in-law just got his new Tesla, so he probably didn't know all the ins and outs about checking for charging stations.
So yes, he should have researched before going in the car, but still, another thing you have to think about.....especially range and time to charge.
It would be really aggravating to drive 10 or 20 miles to seek out a charger, and find that it doesn't work, or you have to wait........just seems like there could be more complications than looking for a gas station every 300 or 400 miles.

Did he not have an ICE car he could have taken instead, or was the Tesla his only choice?

Things that you should learn at an early age - "choices have consequences" - also applies when you are an adult.

He just got the car and he had to go to the funeral - an unplanned for event, it was his wife's father who died. He probably didn't have time to figure out all of the logistics of making the trip.
To be fair, my knowledge of EVs is a bit limited, some people here have more than average knowledge, the B-I-L was probably an average car owner or maybe even below average knowledge who didn't realize there could be complications....and he didn't have time to learn.

Maybe, the average person wants to do the right thing and buy an EV, but they have no idea that there is going to be a learning curve.

mjfloyd1

Tesla recalls over 2 million vehicles over autopilot software

https://www.newser.com/story/343808/its-autopilot-under-scrutiny-tesla-recalls-2m-vehicles.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_top

roadburner

mjfloyd1 said:

Tesla recalls over 2 million vehicles over autopilot software

https://www.newser.com/story/343808/its-autopilot-under-scrutiny-tesla-recalls-2m-vehicles.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_top

That is the issue that may well bite Tesla in the *ss.

driver100

I found out a little more about the friends B-I-Ls Tesla.
This is his second Tesla. The problem was the funeral was in Mayville N.Y. State...in the southwest corner near the Pennsylvania border. Apparently Tesla's and EVs are rare there, and they get a huge amount of snow in the winter time. The vehicle of choice is a 4WD pickup truck....not much demand for Teslas or EVs in that area.

So I'd say, he knows how to operate the car, but in this case he had to drive to an area where he hadn't been before, he didn't know there weren't many charging stations available......that is why he had to plug in the car at the motel and get charged up at 3 miles per hour. I wonder if they had the extension cord or if he carries one with him?

laurasdada

So, again, user error (imho, of course).

1. The Tesla is able to map his trip with recommended stops to charge.
   
2. He took the wrong vehicle.
   

qbrozen

@mjfloyd1 said:
Tesla recalls over 2 million vehicles over autopilot software

https://www.newser.com/story/343808/its-autopilot-under-scrutiny-tesla-recalls-2m-vehicles.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_top

Kind of odd to me to still call it a recall when they aren’t ACTUALLY recalling them. It is yet another over-the-air update. The article title is even worse since it says “Tesla yanks.” No, they aren’t yanking anything, not even gently tugging.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

Michaell said:

People who think that the ownership experience of an EV is the same as an ICE vehicle are in for a surprise, as your friends BIL discovered.

Things that you should learn at an early age - "choices have consequences" - also applies when you are an adult.

Or as a pilot once told me, "If you don't know, don't go."
The ordeal of the apocryphal "B-I-L" reminds me once again of the Douglas Adams quote,
“A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.”

I had coffee with my buddy from Hertz today. Hertz has gone all out for EVs and many of their customers have no clue what that to do with an EV. Many bring them back at near zero charge and get upset that they have to pay for Hertz to do it. They argue “why can’t you just plug them in a wall socket somewhere” as if electricity was free.

roadburner

laurasdada said:

So, again, user error (imho, of course).

1. The Tesla is able to map his trip with recommended stops to charge.
   
2. He took the wrong vehicle.
   

driver100

Consumer Reports.....mileage on EVs.....over and under.
. UNDER
*Tesla’s Long Range Model S fell 39 miles short of its official 405-mile EPA rating, not sure why they added this; (and no surprise — because it’s, well, basically a brick)
*the Ford F-150 Lightning Extended Range was 50 miles short of its hugely optimistic 320-mile rating, too.
*The only shocker was Lucid’s Air Touring, much touted for its aerodynamic and range efficiency, falling short of its 384-mile EPA rating by some 40 miles.
WINNERS

*Mercedes-Benz, its EQE 350 4Matic sedan travelling a whopping 72 miles farther in CR’s testing than the EPA’s 260-mile estimate
*The EQE SUV 350 registering 284 miles of real range versus a 253-mile EPA rating.
*Even the gigantic EQS 580 4Matic — thanks to its equally gigantic 107.8-kilowatt-hour (usable) battery — managed to exceed its 340-mile rating by 40 miles.

driver100

laurasdada said:

So, again, user error (imho, of course).

1. The Tesla is able to map his trip with recommended stops to charge.
   
2. He took the wrong vehicle.
   

1) In my gasser I never plan where my stops will be to fill up
2) So you should keep a gasser on standby in case you are traveling to an area where they don't have chargers.

dino001

oldfarmer50 said:

I had coffee with my buddy from Hertz today. Hertz has gone all out for EVs and many of their customers have no clue what that to do with an EV. Many bring them back at near zero charge and get upset that they have to pay for Hertz to do it. They argue “why can’t you just plug them in a wall socket somewhere” as if electricity was free.

I bet the energy charging fee per kWh is at similar rate to those ridiculous gas refueling rates per gallon when you turn the vehicle without full tank and not prepaid gas, or perhaps at even higher ratio than just typical $7.99-$9.99 per gallon- wouldn't surprise me if it was actual 5x or 10x price of the energy put in. This is a perfect example of a corporation getting "too smart" for its own sake. Instead of comprehensive pricing recognizing that it's not the same to gas up a vehicle 5 minutes before turning it in then waiting for God knows how long to charge it up when you're about to miss the plane. The problem would have easily been solved if the rental price simply included that charge, but that would be too simple and no American corporation would pass on an opportunity to charge some back-end fee rather than removing a friction point. This way we can advertise low prices and spring some got you fee when you're just about to board a plane. Who needs a happy customer with comprehensive price when you can lure them with slightly lower price and then charge them something exorbitant later when they inevitably slip?

laurasdada

driver100 said:

laurasdada said:

So, again, user error (imho, of course).

1. The Tesla is able to map his trip with recommended stops to charge.
   
2. He took the wrong vehicle.
   

1) In my gasser I never plan where my stops will be to fill up
2) So you should keep a gasser on standby in case you are traveling to an area where they don't have chargers.

He bought (another) EV.
It wasn't your trip.
I'm not sure you're understanding "choice."

stickguy

I would have an issue with needing to recharge since I am sure hertz does nothing to explain the process, just gives you the fob and says good luck. I assume various charge places take credit cards but I know a lot are designed around registering and having an app. That isn’t happening for a rental (assuming you don’t already own an EV).

The timing also is an issue since often running tight on dropping off of course.

Still, they should have a special instructions requirement for an EV to avoid all these problems.

dino001

No surprise with Ford. There is plenty of evidence how useless it is as a towing working machine, even something light - plenty of torque, but the range reduced at regular highway speeds to less than 100 miles. It's basically due to increased air resistance from the trailer more than actual weight. Seems like there is long way to go for them to become useful. They have to figure out power going into range, not burning tires. This is by the way one of the thing that make me stay away from even thinking of getting an EV, other than the grid issues - too much emphasis of speed/acceleration performance, not enough on range. Seems like a conscious decision to distract consumers and build expensive toys for well-off people rather than useful machines for regular folks. They probably cannot figure out how to direct that power into range rather than wheel torque. They keep bundling large batteries with engine power. Sure, they can offer high power-large batter combo for those who want it, but why they somehow find impossible to conceive to put large battery into lower powered trim is really beyond me.

driver100

laurasdada said:

driver100 said:

laurasdada said:

So, again, user error (imho, of course).

1. The Tesla is able to map his trip with recommended stops to charge.
   
2. He took the wrong vehicle.
   

1) In my gasser I never plan where my stops will be to fill up
2) So you should keep a gasser on standby in case you are traveling to an area where they don't have chargers.

He bought (another) EV.
It wasn't your trip.
I'm not sure you're understanding "choice."

I don't think he had been to Mayville before and he didn't know it was in an area where people don't drive EVs. I guess he should do some research before going on a trip.