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andres3

I don't think this site every had an autonomous driving / self-driving car thread/forum but it's funny to go back and read some of those if you were ever involved in one. Even from 10 years ago you'll often see comments like "full self-driving" will be commonplace within 5 years!"

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

I don't think this site every had an autonomous driving / self-driving car thread/forum but it's funny to go back and read some of those if you were ever involved in one. Even from 10 years ago you'll often see comments like "full self-driving" will be commonplace within 5 years!"

Forget self driving cars, where is my flying car? Weren't we supposed to have them long before now?

fintail

andres3 said:

I don't think this site every had an autonomous driving / self-driving car thread/forum but it's funny to go back and read some of those if you were ever involved in one. Even from 10 years ago you'll often see comments like "full self-driving" will be commonplace within 5 years!"

A certain someone is really good at overpromising and underdelivering.

nyccarguy

@andres3 said:
I don't think this site every had an autonomous driving / self-driving car thread/forum but it's funny to go back and read some of those if you were ever involved in one. Even from 10 years ago you'll often see comments like "full self-driving" will be commonplace within 5 years!"

People make proclamations like this all the time. Look at Steve Cohen who bought the Mets. He promised a World Series victory within 5 years.

oldfarmer50

fintail said:

andres3 said:

I don't think this site every had an autonomous driving / self-driving car thread/forum but it's funny to go back and read some of those if you were ever involved in one. Even from 10 years ago you'll often see comments like "full self-driving" will be commonplace within 5 years!"

A certain someone is really good at overpromising and underdelivering.

As a kid my father would regale us with predictions of flying cars. Is that who you’re talking about? My 10 year old self couldn’t wait to get one.

dino001

nyccarguy said:

People make proclamations like this all the time. Look at Steve Cohen who bought the Mets. He promised a World Series victory within 5 years.

Proclamations or "predictions" of some guys on TV are alright with me. There is an officer of a publicly traded company, however, who makes such proclamations practically every other day, often on forums that imply it's an actual promise to investors (2020 robotaxis anyone?), yet nobody seems to care when these "promises" don't materialize. The gentleman in question will just make even a bigger promise on the date when it becomes clear his previous promise is nowhere near to be fulfilled and everybody cheers again. This is a part that I honestly don't understand about "modern investor" and regulators.

Fully autonomous driving technology is making a lot of progress, but right now we don't even have legal framework to allow it being used on public roads, i.e. ethical decisions, assignment of liability, etc. The tech may be finally ready at some point, not even far from now, but the legislation is not and it doesn't look like there is an appetite to take the issue on the docket. It's much easier and actually safer to bicker about these unsolvable culture war issues, cause as long as there is no majority for anything, it's safe to "fight for you", whoever "you" is.

explorerx4

80th aniversary of D-Day today.
Found this interesting, although mostly about what happened after D-Day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7AMJEbmYvc

dino001

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

I don't think this site every had an autonomous driving / self-driving car thread/forum but it's funny to go back and read some of those if you were ever involved in one. Even from 10 years ago you'll often see comments like "full self-driving" will be commonplace within 5 years!"

Forget self driving cars, where is my flying car? Weren't we supposed to have them long before now?

How about nuclear fusion power plants "in 20 years" for last 60 years? This one is really dear to me - I took some time to research that and can say with certainty we are more likely to get Star Trek warp drive or teleportation transporter than nuclear fusion powered plants. The physics is simply not there, from fuel, to temperature control, to fast neutron capture (fusion reactor would essentially be a neutron bomb), to creating a continuous fusion reaction, to all the technology of harnessing of the energy of the supposed reaction into production of electricity. After 60 years we are around energy balance, only in terms of direct input-output, we need about 20x ratio for a viability to produce commercial electricity. But we will probably have some other valuable technologies and discoveries in the next millennium quest of "nuclear fusion power plants in 20 years".

kyfdx

Speaking of home repair/improvement..

Two new radio/TV commercials have me blown away.

The first one: Local HVAC shop. "Have you had two or more repair visits by one of our competitors, but your A/C still isn't working properly?"
Now, right here, I'm thinking it's going to be: "Call us and we'll waive the initial visit fee and get your unit repaired correctly!"
But, no.. the actual statement that follows: "Then, it's time to get a new unit! Call us for a quote!".

Next one: Radio commercial. A conversation between a man and his grown son.
Son: Dad, no hot water, what do I do?
Dad: When was the last time you replaced the hot water heater?
Son: 2013, I think.
Dad: Well, don't bother with a repair, it's time to replace it. Call XYZ company, they're great!
Son: So, call them for a quote?
Dad: No, Son, don't bother with a quote, just call and they'll replace it the same day.
Son: So, I shouldn't get multiple quotes?
Dad: Son, you should deal with people you trust. Now, don't bother with quotes, just call them!

Um...

fintail

oldfarmer50 said:

fintail said:

andres3 said:

I don't think this site every had an autonomous driving / self-driving car thread/forum but it's funny to go back and read some of those if you were ever involved in one. Even from 10 years ago you'll often see comments like "full self-driving" will be commonplace within 5 years!"

A certain someone is really good at overpromising and underdelivering.

As a kid my father would regale us with predictions of flying cars. Is that who you’re talking about? My 10 year old self couldn’t wait to get one.

Can you imagine the average semi-sentient motorist behind the controls of something that flies?

jmonroe1

kyfdx said:

Speaking of home repair/improvement..

Two new radio/TV commercials have me blown away.

The first one: Local HVAC shop. "Have you had two or more repair visits by one of our competitors, but your A/C still isn't working properly?"
Now, right here, I'm thinking it's going to be: "Call us and we'll waive the initial visit fee and get your unit repaired correctly!"
But, no.. the actual statement that follows: "Then, it's time to get a new unit! Call us for a quote!".

Next one: Radio commercial. A conversation between a man and his grown son.
Son: Dad, no hot water, what do I do?
Dad: When was the last time you replaced the hot water heater?
Son: 2013, I think.
Dad: Well, don't bother with a repair, it's time to replace it. Call XYZ company, they're great!
Son: So, call them for a quote?
Dad: No, Son, don't bother with a quote, just call and they'll replace it the same day.
Son: So, I shouldn't get multiple quotes?
Dad: Son, you should deal with people you trust. Now, don't bother with quotes, just call them!

Um...

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Not as bad as some car dealerships doing bate and switch when a customer shows up expecting a new car with nothing down and low payments for only a few years.

I have to think they took a page out of the car dealers handbook.

jmonroe

ab348

fintail said:

oldfarmer50 said:

fintail said:

andres3 said:

I don't think this site every had an autonomous driving / self-driving car thread/forum but it's funny to go back and read some of those if you were ever involved in one. Even from 10 years ago you'll often see comments like "full self-driving" will be commonplace within 5 years!"

A certain someone is really good at overpromising and underdelivering.

As a kid my father would regale us with predictions of flying cars. Is that who you’re talking about? My 10 year old self couldn’t wait to get one.

Can you imagine the average semi-sentient motorist behind the controls of something that flies?

I was out today picking up a few groceries and more than a few times thought I was seeing a re-enactment of “Ma and Pa Kettle Go To Town”. Twice seeing elderly couples trundling along in beat-up old pickups going well below the speed limit, holding up long lines of vehicles, making drifting, slow lane changes or sudden braking in traffic moving at speed, and numerous cars erratically moving from lane to lane or making sudden turns without signaling. It was quite remarkable, even for here.

stickguy

@fintail said:
Can you imagine the average semi-sentient motorist behind the controls of something that flies?

Most people around here are befuddled by a traffic circle. Terrifying to think of them managing the horizon.

andres3

dino001 said:

nyccarguy said:

People make proclamations like this all the time. Look at Steve Cohen who bought the Mets. He promised a World Series victory within 5 years.

Proclamations or "predictions" of some guys on TV are alright with me. There is an officer of a publicly traded company, however, who makes such proclamations practically every other day, often on forums that imply it's an actual promise to investors (2020 robotaxis anyone?), yet nobody seems to care when these "promises" don't materialize. The gentleman in question will just make even a bigger promise on the date when it becomes clear his previous promise is nowhere near to be fulfilled and everybody cheers again. This is a part that I honestly don't understand about "modern investor" and regulators.

Fully autonomous driving technology is making a lot of progress, but right now we don't even have legal framework to allow it being used on public roads, i.e. ethical decisions, assignment of liability, etc. The tech may be finally ready at some point, not even far from now, but the legislation is not and it doesn't look like there is an appetite to take the issue on the docket. It's much easier and actually safer to bicker about these unsolvable culture war issues, cause as long as there is no majority for anything, it's safe to "fight for you", whoever "you" is.

The liability issue is easily solved if the inventor/maker takes it and accepts it. The problem lies in the fact that while they say safety will be improved exponentially, they are not willing to bet their own behinds on it. Risk mitigation legislation is what they are looking for I believe.

The kind that says I won't go to jail for killing someone with bad code. Having firearm-like protections for financial liability from end users is probably what they are looking for.

snakeweasel

dino001 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

I don't think this site every had an autonomous driving / self-driving car thread/forum but it's funny to go back and read some of those if you were ever involved in one. Even from 10 years ago you'll often see comments like "full self-driving" will be commonplace within 5 years!"

Forget self driving cars, where is my flying car? Weren't we supposed to have them long before now?

How about nuclear fusion power plants "in 20 years" for last 60 years? This one is really dear to me - I took some time to research that and can say with certainty we are more likely to get Star Trek warp drive or teleportation transporter than nuclear fusion powered plants. The physics is simply not there, from fuel, to temperature control, to fast neutron capture (fusion reactor would essentially be a neutron bomb), to creating a continuous fusion reaction, to all the technology of harnessing of the energy of the supposed reaction into production of electricity. After 60 years we are around energy balance, only in terms of direct input-output, we need about 20x ratio for a viability to produce commercial electricity. But we will probably have some other valuable technologies and discoveries in the next millennium quest of "nuclear fusion power plants in 20 years".

What? Now you are going to tell me we won't be getting these any time soon.

fintail

ab348 said:

fintail said:

oldfarmer50 said:

fintail said:

andres3 said:

I don't think this site every had an autonomous driving / self-driving car thread/forum but it's funny to go back and read some of those if you were ever involved in one. Even from 10 years ago you'll often see comments like "full self-driving" will be commonplace within 5 years!"

A certain someone is really good at overpromising and underdelivering.

As a kid my father would regale us with predictions of flying cars. Is that who you’re talking about? My 10 year old self couldn’t wait to get one.

Can you imagine the average semi-sentient motorist behind the controls of something that flies?

I was out today picking up a few groceries and more than a few times thought I was seeing a re-enactment of “Ma and Pa Kettle Go To Town”. Twice seeing elderly couples trundling along in beat-up old pickups going well below the speed limit, holding up long lines of vehicles, making drifting, slow lane changes or sudden braking in traffic moving at speed, and numerous cars erratically moving from lane to lane or making sudden turns without signaling. It was quite remarkable, even for here.

Sounds like Spokane, the slow turners always amuse me/drive me insane. And think how fun it is going to be in 10 years when we are all that much older

oldfarmer50

dino001 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

I don't think this site every had an autonomous driving / self-driving car thread/forum but it's funny to go back and read some of those if you were ever involved in one. Even from 10 years ago you'll often see comments like "full self-driving" will be commonplace within 5 years!"

Forget self driving cars, where is my flying car? Weren't we supposed to have them long before now?

How about nuclear fusion power plants "in 20 years" for last 60 years? This one is really dear to me - I took some time to research that and can say with certainty we are more likely to get Star Trek warp drive or teleportation transporter than nuclear fusion powered plants. The physics is simply not there, from fuel, to temperature control, to fast neutron capture (fusion reactor would essentially be a neutron bomb), to creating a continuous fusion reaction, to all the technology of harnessing of the energy of the supposed reaction into production of electricity. After 60 years we are around energy balance, only in terms of direct input-output, we need about 20x ratio for a viability to produce commercial electricity. But we will probably have some other valuable technologies and discoveries in the next millennium quest of "nuclear fusion power plants in 20 years".

How about small scale Thorium reactors? I know that’s still fission not fusion but the technology seems possible.

oldfarmer50

fintail said:

oldfarmer50 said:

fintail said:

andres3 said:

I don't think this site every had an autonomous driving / self-driving car thread/forum but it's funny to go back and read some of those if you were ever involved in one. Even from 10 years ago you'll often see comments like "full self-driving" will be commonplace within 5 years!"

A certain someone is really good at overpromising and underdelivering.

As a kid my father would regale us with predictions of flying cars. Is that who you’re talking about? My 10 year old self couldn’t wait to get one.

Can you imagine the average semi-sentient motorist behind the controls of something that flies?

That’s the problem with self driving cars, you can’t have both robots and humans on the same roads. Humans are too unpredictable for any AI system. The self driver might be fully capable of safe operation but what happens when some knucklehead gets road rage at it or gets drunk and crashes into it. Heck, on some of those early trials they had kids putting traffic cones on the hood for a joke and paralyzing them.

dino001

oldfarmer50 said:

dino001 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

I don't think this site every had an autonomous driving / self-driving car thread/forum but it's funny to go back and read some of those if you were ever involved in one. Even from 10 years ago you'll often see comments like "full self-driving" will be commonplace within 5 years!"

Forget self driving cars, where is my flying car? Weren't we supposed to have them long before now?

How about nuclear fusion power plants "in 20 years" for last 60 years? This one is really dear to me - I took some time to research that and can say with certainty we are more likely to get Star Trek warp drive or teleportation transporter than nuclear fusion powered plants. The physics is simply not there, from fuel, to temperature control, to fast neutron capture (fusion reactor would essentially be a neutron bomb), to creating a continuous fusion reaction, to all the technology of harnessing of the energy of the supposed reaction into production of electricity. After 60 years we are around energy balance, only in terms of direct input-output, we need about 20x ratio for a viability to produce commercial electricity. But we will probably have some other valuable technologies and discoveries in the next millennium quest of "nuclear fusion power plants in 20 years".

How about small scale Thorium reactors? I know that’s still fission not fusion but the technology seems possible.

Don't know much about Thorium reactors, heard they have good potential and they were not pursued because the technology did not have military application, reportedly it was Nixon who stopped the progress. Whether that's true or false, I don't know.

fintail

oldfarmer50 said:

fintail said:

oldfarmer50 said:

fintail said:

andres3 said:

I don't think this site every had an autonomous driving / self-driving car thread/forum but it's funny to go back and read some of those if you were ever involved in one. Even from 10 years ago you'll often see comments like "full self-driving" will be commonplace within 5 years!"

A certain someone is really good at overpromising and underdelivering.

As a kid my father would regale us with predictions of flying cars. Is that who you’re talking about? My 10 year old self couldn’t wait to get one.

Can you imagine the average semi-sentient motorist behind the controls of something that flies?

That’s the problem with self driving cars, you can’t have both robots and humans on the same roads. Humans are too unpredictable for any AI system. The self driver might be fully capable of safe operation but what happens when some knucklehead gets road rage at it or gets drunk and crashes into it. Heck, on some of those early trials they had kids putting traffic cones on the hood for a joke and paralyzing them.

I think the traffic cone thing was within the past year, too. So far the "Artificial" part of AI is far stronger than the "Intelligence" part. Good point about it being useless with a mix of operators on the road, and the tech is so imperfect to this point (maybe your "full self driving"/"autopilot" thingy will run you into a train, maybe not) that it is probably moot. Maybe in a few decades.

stickguy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF3u5Xkb1bw

I have not watched this yet but I think there are a couple of posters that will appreciate this!

stickguy

dino001 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

dino001 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

I don't think this site every had an autonomous driving / self-driving car thread/forum but it's funny to go back and read some of those if you were ever involved in one. Even from 10 years ago you'll often see comments like "full self-driving" will be commonplace within 5 years!"

Forget self driving cars, where is my flying car? Weren't we supposed to have them long before now?

How about nuclear fusion power plants "in 20 years" for last 60 years? This one is really dear to me - I took some time to research that and can say with certainty we are more likely to get Star Trek warp drive or teleportation transporter than nuclear fusion powered plants. The physics is simply not there, from fuel, to temperature control, to fast neutron capture (fusion reactor would essentially be a neutron bomb), to creating a continuous fusion reaction, to all the technology of harnessing of the energy of the supposed reaction into production of electricity. After 60 years we are around energy balance, only in terms of direct input-output, we need about 20x ratio for a viability to produce commercial electricity. But we will probably have some other valuable technologies and discoveries in the next millennium quest of "nuclear fusion power plants in 20 years".

How about small scale Thorium reactors? I know that’s still fission not fusion but the technology seems possible.

Don't know much about Thorium reactors, heard they have good potential and they were not pursued because the technology did not have military application, reportedly it was Nixon who stopped the progress. Whether that's true or false, I don't know.

these "pocket nukes" (or neighborhood, something like that?) seemed like a real good idea. Pretty sure some nordic country used something like that.

andres3

stickguy said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF3u5Xkb1bw

I have not watched this yet but I think there are a couple of posters that will appreciate this!

I recently had a home theater problem from hell. It actually just turned out to be a bad HDMI cable. One that had been fine for years, but decided to go "kaboom" and not work anymore. I'm smart enough to eliminate obvious glitches with A-B tests, but I just didn't think an HDMI cable that hadn't been molested/damaged/twisted/pulled/damaged physically could be the culprit, so naturally it was the last thing I isolated. Problem solved.

mjfloyd1

@stickguy said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF3u5Xkb1bw

I have not watched this yet but I think there are a couple of posters that will appreciate this!

No idea what you are talking about😎

8 weeks and still in Subaru Forester for 2300 miles.

I did speak with the person at VW and they used the words buyback and Mag Moss so we perhaps are getting somewhere on that front.

stickguy

Take it and run.

explorerx4

Ivan is a great troubleshooter.

stickguy

I love his videos. I could never do what he does but I actually understand the whole process the way we describes it. And I have a vastly better understanding of how automotive electrical and communications systems work.

jmonroe1

andres3 said:

stickguy said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF3u5Xkb1bw

I have not watched this yet but I think there are a couple of posters that will appreciate this!

I recently had a home theater problem from hell. It actually just turned out to be a bad HDMI cable. One that had been fine for years, but decided to go "kaboom" and not work anymore. I'm smart enough to eliminate obvious glitches with A-B tests, but I just didn't think an HDMI cable that hadn't been molested/damaged/twisted/pulled/damaged physically could be the culprit, so naturally it was the last thing I isolated. Problem solved.

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It’s interesting that you say that.

Just this morning when I turned on the TV in the bedroom all I saw was a blue screen showing Channel 3. I figured since the TV lit up it was the small cable box. I went to the bedroom about an hour ago and had the thought of swapping out the cable box from another bedroom since the indicator light on the box in our bedroom didn’t display the power light but the box was warm. However, before I did any swapping I decided to rotate the plug in power cable at the cable box that was plugged into the low voltage power supply at the wall outlet. Bingo, the screen flickered for a second then there was a picture on the TV.

How do you explain a bad contact at the cable box connection that hadn’t been touched for at least a decade? My guess is there had to have been a film build up on the low voltage power cord at the cable box. Everything is working fine now so I’m leaving it alone.

If you want to have some fun go back to your old HDMI cable and try inserting it and removing it a few times on each end (in the trade, this is known as “wiping the contact”). That might just remove a film that accumulated on one or both ends of your old HDMI cable. I’ve seen this type of behavior on low voltage/signal cables quite a few times over the years. Like I said, just a fun thing to try since there is no real work involved.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF3u5Xkb1bw

I have not watched this yet but I think there are a couple of posters that will appreciate this!

Boy, the parts cannon has some very expensive ammunition.

roadburner

Today's fill up of the Sahara 4xe: 117.2 mpg on Sunoco 93.

laurasdada

@roadburner Deep, technological and thrill of driving question: Does your C43 have a heated steering wheel?

roadburner

It was an option but my car doesn’t have it; that and the HUD are the only options I miss.

roadburner

@andres3 said:
I recently had a home theater problem from hell. It actually just turned out to be a bad HDMI cable. One that had been fine for years, but decided to go "kaboom" and not work anymore. I'm smart enough to eliminate obvious glitches with A-B tests, but I just didn't think an HDMI cable that hadn't been molested/damaged/twisted/pulled/damaged physically could be the culprit, so naturally it was the last thing I isolated. Problem solved.

I had a bad HDMI cable; it worked intermittently. I was hooking it up to show a Monty Python clip to my small group at church. It was a cheap generic cable that I had lying around. I have used Blue Jeans Cable HDMI cables exclusively in both of my home systems with no problems and as a result I bought another one to use at work for trials and hearings. You get what you pay for.

andres3

roadburner said:

@andres3 said:

I recently had a home theater problem from hell. It actually just turned out to be a bad HDMI cable. One that had been fine for years, but decided to go "kaboom" and not work anymore. I'm smart enough to eliminate obvious glitches with A-B tests, but I just didn't think an HDMI cable that hadn't been molested/damaged/twisted/pulled/damaged physically could be the culprit, so naturally it was the last thing I isolated. Problem solved.

I had a bad HDMI cable; it worked intermittently. I was hooking it up to show a Monty Python clip to my small group at church. It was a cheap generic cable that I had lying around. I have used Blue Jeans Cable HDMI cables exclusively in both of my home systems with no problems and as a result I bought another one to use at work for trials and hearings. You get what you pay for.

This wasn't a "cheap" HDMI cable, the opposite of that, but then again, I did buy it on Ebay I think. Oh well. Blue Jeans is a good company. I like their speaker cable.

roadburner

Actually, every cable in my systems are BJC except for a couple of Monster THX optical cables I got at a ridiculously low price from a friend.

stickguy

had a close call today. driving back home after dinner out, on a fairly busy main road (2 lanes on most stretches but a lot of retail. Actually, very close to the Ford dealer OF got his Mustang at I think) Was following a gen 1 Tundra, with the usual rust showing on it. And someone in a very new Hyundai (I think the latest Elantra) came off a side road that comes into the main road at an angle, with a stop sign. Just blew right through, thankfully just far enough ahead of the Tundra that he was able to slam on the brakes. Swerved half into the oncoming lane (thankfully no cars right then), with lots of tire smoke and noise. I was far enough back to stop straight but quickly. Hyundai dude finally notice he almost got wiped out and pulled over toward the shoulder. then just kept going. Probably went another 3-5 miles before I turned off, while they alternated between mostly in the lane, half on the shoulder, at various speeds.

not sure what the reason for the erratic driving was, but gave every indication that at best should not be driving, and at worst, in handcuffs in the back of a patrol car.

tjc78

Stick/OF how close are you to Latham? Building a store there.

tjc78

Cheers everyone … have a great weekend.

stickguy

tjc78 said:

Stick/OF how close are you to Latham? Building a store there.

I was in Latham today picking up my truck at the Ford dealer. About 25 minutes now, but once we move about 10 minutes +/-. Where's the store? If you come up to visit it, let me know, I can take you out for a beer!

ab348

Since @tjc78 brought it up, I’m enjoying some of this tonight.

oldfarmer50

tjc78 said:

Stick/OF how close are you to Latham? Building a store there.

Very close. Are you building the new Ford store on rt.7? Or the new Honda store just up the road?

stickguy

Ford dealer is a mess. Brand new building and lot is so jammed you can barely get through to the building. For the back story from the service writer. But they need more parking bad.

28firefighter

I was sipping some Michters and then a bit of Four Roses Single Barrel. Happy weekend!

Michaell

Moms house is in escrow. Anyone want to guess the final price?

Reminder - asking was $799,900

28firefighter

869k

tjc78

@ab348 said:
Since @tjc78 brought it up, I’m enjoying some of this tonight.

Good stuff!

@28firefighter
Nice pours too!

tjc78

@stickguy said:
I was in Latham today picking up my truck at the Ford dealer. About 25 minutes now, but once we move about 10 minutes +/-. Where's the store? If you come up to visit it, let me know, I can take you out for a beer!

It’s right on New Loudon Road. There is a Hobby Lobby and Raymour and Flanagan in the center.

I’ll hit you up when I visit. Won’t be for a few months until it gets further along.

Funny thing… in my past company this was one of our locations and I’ve remodeled it twice and now I’m gutting it as a new store with a new company.

I sent a picture of it demo’d but with one detail that all my old colleagues would know and texted it out. Good laughs from it…

tjc78

@oldfarmer50 said:
Very close. Are you building the new Ford store on rt.7? Or the new Honda store just up the road?

Nothing that good.. we sell balloons and paper plates lol

Oh and Halloween Costumes

explorerx4

I'll guess 849. We'll need details.

ab348

tjc78 said:

@ab348 said:

Since @tjc78 brought it up, I’m enjoying some of this tonight.

Good stuff!

@28firefighter

Nice pours too!

It's odd in that decades ago when I first got into whisky the only JD around was Old #7 which was and is atrocious as a sipper and is best used mixed with Coke. But who knew that JD employed people who knew how to make really good whisky that has only recently come into broader availability? Some of their high-end offerings compete with the very best now.