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Sounds good Ty and I am glad you got the Eyesight option. I did the same with keyless entry and other options I don't need, but I wanted Keyless entry. It cost $4000, but,as I told the salesman, I get half back when i trade the car in and the car will be more desireable to the next buyer.
Good decision and Suburus owners love their cars.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
It's like the Cadillac commercial said a few years ago for the CTS, your car should turn you on when you turn it on. Get what you will enjoy each time you walk up to it, get in, and turn the key.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
That is true and I liked those Cadillac commercials when I saw them - thought they were clever.
That feeling is funny, you look at various cars, houses refrigerators (back to those again) TVs, etc., and then there is just something that seems so right, and you go for it.
When I started out today I didn't think I would be considering a Mercedes, but, from the moment we sat in it we knew it felt right.
Just please don't dig up pictures of Mercedes catching fire though.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
> No of course not. But if you read back some in pop culture you'd see that Cadillac was once the "forbidden fruit" to a lot of poor people, white, black or whatever. As soon as someone struck it rich in the 30s, 40s and 50s (like Elvis or a major sports star), they'd buy themselves the biggest glitziest Caddy they could find. Whether it was Texas steerhorns, or Elvis's mink carpeting and gold lame curtains, Cadillac and "good taste" didn't always walk hand in hand.
As a young kid back when dinosaurs roamed the earth it seem the rule of thumb was Cadillac = new money and Lincoln = old money.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
This does make sense. The distinction is probably no longer valid, but I see it be the case up to 70s. Today Lincoln simply means old (money not necessary). Old money went German and Japanese, but so did new money.
2018 430i Gran Coupe
"On the way home we stopped at the Mercedes dealer. We both fell in love with the E350 which will become an E400 for 2015 and will have an all new larger engine."
That light gray is called Palladium Silver - the same color as my current CLS 550.
The E400 will not be a larger engine - it will be smaller (3.0 liter vs. the current 3.5 liter). But, it will be a bi-turbo and will deliver about 330 hp vs. 302 hp for the 3.5.
I was at the dealer 2 weeks ago for a car wash and the GM asked me if I were to build a 2015 E400, what would I order. So I have him the color (Palladium Silver w/black perforated leather), ventilated seats, multi-contour driver's seat (massage, etc), lane tracking and blind spot monitors, 360 degree cameras with warnings, park assist w/front and rear sensors, lighting package, Keyless Go w/hands free access, AMG wheels, and premium package and some other stuff.
The car is scheduled to be built September 10th and at the dealership October 17-19. I told him I was not interested, and he said not to worry - he just wanted to build one the way I would like it. I wonder what he's up to?
In any case, the E400 is replacing the E 550. No more 8 cly. Engines for the E Class.
I saw pictures and pricing - will be much lower in price than the E550.
When I get back to Florida (who knows when?), I will get more info if you like.
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The other dealer left me a voice mail to call him, which I just did and let him know we had ordered through the other dealer. The one I just called is the one that told us there was a hold on orders. In all honesty, had they agreed to our price Saturday and said we could order, we would have done so right then and there. I guess the lesson is to strike while the iron is hot. I suppose that's why dealers want to close while you're there on the premises instead of going home to think about it.
Thanks again for the well wishes. I'll keep everyone updated as we take delivery. Between now and then we'll order Weather Tech mats and set up an appointment to add clear protective film to the forward facing surfaces as soon as we take ownership.
I now have co-workers who want to see how Eyesight works, but strangely there are no volunteers to stand in front of the car as I accelerate towards them :-)
Ty, I test drove Subes (well, I rode while my SIL drove) last week. The Outback was very, very nice. Also took out a Forester. I loved the huge pano roof (I know, not your thing) but it definitely was more "trucky". The outback was very smooth and comfortable.
but, neither one had eyesight. they did have a Forester on the lot with it (premium, cloth, eyesight) but it was sold and we couldn't try that out.
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> I now have co-workers who want to see how Eyesight works, but strangely there are no volunteers to stand in front of the car as I accelerate towards them :-)
Here is an ideal, you stand in front of the car and let them accelerate towards you.
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Mike, the information is very helpful and much appreciated. My salesman was a young fellow who is an assistant to the real salesman. I didn't care when we started because I didn't think I would be buying another Mercedes. The young fellow was pretty good but I know some things he wasn't sure about. This dealership is probably the most beautiful one in North America, I once posted a picture. The cars in front of the showroom are sitting in a pool of water. They have a nail salon, hairdresser, coffee shop...the floors in the garage you could eat off of.
Mike, I am thinking of trying for 4% off and close to Book value for my trade in, around $32 to $34K, I have to check that out again. If they aren't close, and they may be a no discount operation, I'll go out of town. I am serious, and I don't mess around. I'm a reasonable person, and I don't beat the dealership down, I want a fair price and I am actually an easy sale if they are fair to me.
We are undecided between Palladium Silver and white but we have had a lot of white cars so it might be nice to change. I like the idea of the turbos and the extra horsepower. The car is the ultimate in luxury driving, everything about it is beautiful and enjoyable.
I don't need, lane tracking and blind spot monitors, AMG wheels, and premium package and some other stuff.
I do need; er), lane tracking and blind spot monitors, e, Keyless Go w/hands free access,
The E350 was a 4matic, I think all of them are in Canada.
I will need the car for when we drive to Florida, around November 6th.
If I can get a good deal I will pull the trigger. When you come back any other information you have would be helpful. I don't think my dealer has any info at this time, other than the 350 changing to 400.
Thanks again.
One thing I liked about the Mercedes and A6 is they don't have run flat tires! The salesmen say a lot of people say that.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Now driver, maybe we've been over this before, but can you buy a car in FLA and register it in FLA & just drive it in Canada the 7 months a year you are there? The cars are MUCH cheaper here. Just curious (I think you said they won't do warranty work). I kw you LOV your 535i. Don't dump it just because the warranty is up & you feel like you have to get something new...
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"If I can get a good deal I will pull the trigger. When you come back any other information you have would be helpful. I don't think my dealer has any info at this time, other than the 350 changing to 400."
There will still be an E350 next year - the E400 just takes the place of the E550. I actually do not know how they do business in Canada. A 4% discount is not unreasonable even though it will be just as they arrive at dealerships. You may have to order it if you want it in November. I would think that getting book value for your trade is also very reasonable.
I would make them an offer of book value for your trade and 4% off sticker. Then order the car.
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Oh goodie, I got old money!
Just one question....
Where did it all go?
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Too much time on my hands.
Just saw a Honda commercial where the narrator said "if a golf cart accelerates faster than that old car....."
The "old car" was a 99 or 2000 Ford Contour. Guess they never heard of SVT.
Must be getting old. Find myself yelling at the TV all the time.
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NYC....Cars are 20% cheaper in the US. But, our dollar has sunk and is now worth 90 cents US so if I could buy a car in Florida it would cost 10% less. Manufacturers have locked those sales. They have told dealers in the states not to sell to Canadians or they will lose their franchise. Warranties will not be honored, so it is just about impossible. Also, insurance and licenses are basically only good for 6 months...if you are away for longer you won't be covered.
I love the 535 too, and I found the A6 to be a nice car, but, just not quite the same as the bmw, even though I like my wife's A4 more than a 328 or 335. I really like the Merc. The bmw performs better and handles better, but the Mercedes is really refined. It is also the nicest interior by far. If you get a chance take a look at the console and the instrument panel, seats, etc. Much better choices of colors and combinations with interior too.
Sight lines are great, large windows front, side and rear. It is a smoother and quieter car than the 535, and it feels solid as a tank...in a good way.
I am hoping the dealing goes smoothly...I don't want a hassle. This is a very fancy dealership and their costs are huge. Last time we shopped Mercedes you had to buy from the closest dealer...hope that's not true these days.
I become attached to my cars and I love the 535 too. BUt, I would rather trade now then trade later when the difference will be greater and I pour money into the 535...such as getting tires soon. I may pay $3000 a year more to drive the new car but it will be under warranty and that means peace of mind which counts for a lot.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
That confirms my plan, so it is good to have confirmation. My old bmw dealer did not believe in discounting, and I am hoping this MB dealer won't be like that.
The salesman definitely said there won't be an E350...I would have to get an E400 with bi-turbos engine and 338 hp. If the 350 stays that is ok with me. Sometimes lineups are different in Canada and US, but I would think those mainstream models should be offered.
We based pricing on a 2014 E350 since they don't have any 2015 info. Hope they don't go up much.
The Audi dealer told me an interesting thing. If I bought a 2014 they could give me a really good price for cash. Since most people lease Audis, they don't want to lease 2014s, so they deep discount them for cash.
I would buy a car at the end of the year if I knew I was keeping it for 8 or more years, but not if I expect to trade in 3 or 4 years.
I am going to see if there is more info on the net about 2015s. I knew the Audi was going to stay the same but the salesman thought they were getting a major change....I knew more than him. We went out and found a 2015 on the lot...it was exactly the same.
We may go today or tomorrow to try and wheel and deal....not looking forward to it, hope it's easy like Ty's deal.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
RIP Robin Williams. The man was so funny yet so possessed by the demons of drugs and alcohol.
IMHO, his single funniest bit is about how the Scots came up with golf. If you have never watched it, here it is but BE WARNED - NSFW :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcnFbCCgTo4
Driver, it is hard to imagine Mercedes would eliminate the "entry" volume model. To risky for lost sales. But, they don't ask me first!
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Driver, are you shopping a 2014 or 2015? If a 2015 what makes you try for 4% off? Is this a new model or a continuation of and older design?
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I've been thinking about how state inspections used to be two times per year (PA and VA) up until 1978 which changed to once yearly with production of better (safer) cars.
Then I started thinking about warranties. If I remember correctly a new vehicle warranty used to be 12 months or 12k miles when my driving career started way back in 1966. Maybe someone with more than my 64 years can tell me when that increased.
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I recall Chrysler shocking the market in the 70s with their 5/50 (?)
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So I have been following the developments for the C class, and very interested to see/drive the C 400 - the twin turbo 3.0 V6 sounds like a lot of fun. In terms of the E class my understanding is there is a 4.0 V8 in the works - twin turbo for AMG duty, but I wonder if they will have a slightly de-tuned version for the E 5XX? I can't imagine that they will only have the E 400 and the AMG E?
Either ways the early reviews of the C class that I have read are raving about the car. Hope they are true.
I did some research online about the 2015 and 2016 Mercedes E Class. It seems there will be a major change in style and body and interior for the 2016 model year. For 2015, the body and interior remains the same, but they are deleting the E550 and replacing it with the E400 (3.0 L V6 twin turbo).
If you go ahead and order one (about 6-7 weeks before delivery) and want that Palladium Silver (light gray), you may want to consider the light gray interior - very light like the almond, but a much better match for the interior. I don't get the light gray interior because it is too light and shows the soiling down in Florida when you perspire. That's why I get the black interior with the light gray exterior.
I know I can get a new 2015 E400 for $500 over invoice "less" whatever USAA is allowing (usually $2000 off for a new model) less $500 for my Mercedes Benz Club of America fleet discount. So I would pay a net of $2000 under invoice which is a good deal considering the car is a new entry with the new engine.
I would think that if you order exactly what you want you could get what you want for your car and the price you want off sticker. Since you don't want some of the extras, which most dealers order for their inventories, you will probably have to custom order it to keep the pricing within reason.
Whatever you do, good luck.
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UPDATE ON MY SON'S CONDITION
Whatever the tumor is (benign or malignant), it is having a very negative effect on him. He gets dizzy spells, headaches and his memory is beginning to fail him from time to time. Since the doctor he is seeing is an oncologist, that is the ominous aspect of this. He is being referred to a neurological surgeon and will see him next week. That's when we will find out if the tumor is operable and, if not, what they can do for him.
I'll try to post more to keep my mind off things out here.
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In 1974 it was 12/12 for Chrysler.
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Man, if the Lords of the CCBA see this post, Bradd, you will be banished!!!
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Chrysler was the first to start with more lengthy warranties. I found this summary in an article about 1960s Chrysler President Lynn Townsend:
"In 1962, the Chrysler president introduced the first warranty among domestic manufacturers that covered the engine, transmission, and rear axle for five years or 50,000 miles. In 1960, Ford had lengthened its coverage to one year or 12,000 miles. Prior to that, automakers warrantied their major components for just three months or 4,000 miles.
Chrysler’s announcement resulted in Ford and General Motors increasing their warranties to two years or 24,000 miles. Chrysler was steadily gaining in market share, however, and in 1966, Ford and GM went to 5/50,000 as well."
Those were still powertrain warranties though, so they didn't cover much. It took a while for the manufacturers to move away from the 12/12000 bumper to bumper warranty.
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
I wrote and asked my sales rep....er, I guess consultant, and this was what he said about 2014 and 2015.
Yes, the US has different models for the E-Class. In Canada, the E350 is being replaced with the E400. We are continuing to offer the E550 V8 model in Canada for 2015 – where the US is not.
There is still the entry model E300, 4 cylinder with 240 hp. I think that will be disappointing, kind of like the 528. It is too big a car and loses it's punch and zip at theat power.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
"Yes, the US has different models for the E-Class. In Canada, the E350 is being replaced with the E400. We are continuing to offer the E550 V8 model in Canada for 2015 – where the US is not."
Wow, completely different cars in the 2 countries. In the US, they will be offering an E350 and an E400. In Canada, they offer the E400 and E550. Wow!
They don't offer an E300 in the US.
Then the E400 is the car. The reviews have been pretty good for the E400. Plenty of horsepower and torque.
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OF, I am going to order a 2015. The car was redesigned for 2014. 535 and A6 won't get a redesign until 2016.
The 4% off is the principle that the dealer makes 8%. 4% seems fair to me, I may want to keep the dealer in business in case of oil changes etc. But, I don't want to pay full price, though my first bmw dealer always charged full MSRP. I think they have a different business model, sell fewer cars but make full profit on each. The bmw dealer is in an affluent area and people won't drive for 30 minutes to save a few $1000s. This is the fanciest dealership in North America so may charge full price. Apparently you can buy at any dealer now, so I'll go to another dealer if they don't come through for me. I'll order it and I should have it by October before the Florida run.
The cars in front are in a wading pool:
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
What?! Let someone else drive my new car? I certainly hope you don't hug your family with those filthy typing fingers
Kidding, of course.
It does bring up an interesting point. I'm in the business of accuracy, very fine accuracy of what's in air, water, and other fluids. The instruments we build must be calibrated and regularly checked against a performance standard. How do you confirm an auto-brake system? You can simulate conditions, but can you realistically very confirm the system is real-world operational after it leaves the factory? I guess it's the same with air bags. You don't know they work until you need them most.
This is the way the salesman told it;
Yes, the US has different models for the E-Class. In Canada, the E350 is being replaced with the E400. We are continuing to offer the E550 V8 model in Canada for 2015 – where the US is not.
I really like the C Class too. When i got my 2012 bmw, 535, I looked at 2011 C class and E class, and I was not impressed. The makeover last year has really changed these cars. Unless the extra steering and handling response in the bmw and Audi are more important to you, you have to check the Mercedes. The interiors are so elegant. I wouldn't say it doesn't handle as well, it is just different. I can see each of those cars has a slightly differnt market...bmw being more about handling and engine performance, Mercedes being more luxurious and solid, very refined, and Audi is a mixture - half and half. I guess I am getting older or more mature (doubt that), but I am appreciating the refinement of the Mercedes.
I said to my wife this morning I would be content with a C Class. But, she is big on safety, and if it wasn't for the trip to Florida there and back we could probably get by with a C. If you are in the showroom check out the E though.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Yes, the color we are leaning toward is Palladium Silver, which is more gray than silver to me. We will go with the light I call it ivory color seats with lots of black accent colors. It is almost white, but could be light gray or very light beige, depending on your ability to read colors.
You have probably read the explanation I got between the 350, 400 and 550 for now...looks like we were both right.
We have an appointment with the real sales guy for this evening. This will be tough, they will want full price and may go low on my trade. I hear there are other dealers worth trying, one is 30 minutes and one is about 50 minutes away. The one 50 minutes away gives good deals I hear, because if they get a customer it is one they wouldn't have had normally.
I am sure I will have to special order. They do have a 2014 350 in the showroom, exactly the way I want it, but getting a next years model has worked for us for our last 4 cars....I like doing it that way.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Who is CCBA?
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
automakers warrantied their major components for just three months or 4,000 miles
I thought it was less than the 3/36 bumper to bumper we have today. And I forgot about it being powertrain only. Thanks for that research, ab348.
Driver would be broke in short order replacing perfectly good cars if warranties were only 4k miles.
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This must be very hard on you....waiting is difficult. We are here for you.....write as much as you want, that will help for sure.
We are hoping for the best possible news.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
@driver100
We have a support group called CCBA
Chronic Car Buyer's Anonymous. Come check us out.
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Very interesting stuff ab. BMWs 4 year bumper to bumper must have been a game changer to some degree. Audi and MB are matching it, though they give you the option for oil changes.
Hyundai and KIA 10 yr 100K mile warranties are also game changers. You'd think a $30k car should be warrantied for at least 3 years...hard to imagine 1 year 12K miles, even though that was the norm.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Driver,
You're pushing 12K posts. Are they all on this board? Where else might we go to watch you hold forth?
Warning: This is not like AA or NA where they help you overcome your addictions. They're enablers, I tell ya.
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You got that right!!!
If I posted there about the GM at my Mercedes dealership asking me to order a spec 2015 E400 for delivery in mid-October, they would have talked me into buying it, sight unseen.
I will admit, though, that new engine is tantalizing! 330 hp in a V6 with great torque is going to be sweet. Not as agile as my CLS550, but close with 6-7 mpg better rating.
Driver....hope you get the pricing you are looking for.
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I caught part of a story on CNBC today about Tesla's not being rated so highly by
CR. I don't know if the one fellow talking about Tesla's problems was shill for CR
or if he was from somewhere else.
The tone of the business folks talking was that Tesla has to come pick up the
car and leave a loaner. It sounded like the business channel folks, who usually
are enamored of the expensive Teslas, weren't quite as enthusiastic and were
questioning Tesla's being able to continue to service their problem vehicles
with this business model.
"Our car has now been driven at some length by many staff members, many of whom aren’t involved in car testing. Car nut or not, EV fan or not, everyone has raved about this car, impressed with its smoothness, effortless glide, and clever, elegant simplicity. In that time, it’s also displayed a few quirks—some unique to Tesla. For instance, we had a problem with the automatic-retracting door handles, which were occasionally reluctant to emerge from the coachwork so we could open the driver’s door. Tesla fixed that with an over-the-air programming update beamed to the car."
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/08/consumer-reports-tesla-model-s-has-more-than-its-share-of-problems/index.htm
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/video-hub/3727137752001/
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Over the years I've disagreed with CR so many times about their car (and audio/home theater electronics) testing and reliability rankings that they no longer carry any credibility with me.
That said, they do good work with appliances. I do like them for that.
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Clearly I am doing this quote thing wrong...
Anyway, My 08 C 350 goes in for its annual check up at the end of the month, a "B" service this time. I have hit 39,000 miles so time fora new car!
Hopefully I can peek at both an E and a 2015 C class for giggles.
Click my thumbnail, my current call is Palladium Silver Metallic - I really like this color - and would buy it again.
Driver, I will bet the long shot, and predict that you are bringing home the 2014 350 tonight. Assuming they want to move it bad and make you an offer too good to refuse.
plus, if you prefer the NA engine instead of waiting on the 400 turbo, that is your option.
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I was thinking the same thing. Since about the only change between the 2014 and the 2015 would be engine choices, why wait if you are offered a great deal on a 2014?
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well, you know those Canadians move to the beat of their own drummer.
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@driver100
"I was thinking the same thing. Since about the only change between the 2014 and the 2015 would be engine choices, why wait if you are offered a great deal on a 2014?"
I agree totally! He can even negotiate for a 3 year full maintenance plan as well.
He should make them an offer of INVOICE because there is trunk money available on the 2014's. The only difference would be 302 hp vs. 330 hp. If he can save $4000 on a 2014 over a 2015, it makes much more sense!
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I see. I was hoping it was the new model as I considering how I might buy the new Mustang. Not a lot of info out there about price possibilities except to pay sticker.
While I usually wouldn't consider trading I'm wondering if I might be able to get a break by asking for a higher trade-in on the Eclipse. It's a low mile cream puff so if they would give me close to private party value I might be willing to pay MSRP.
Anyone ever try that?
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