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Mr_Shiftright

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

They wanted $15800 difference. I offered $15000 this time.
They came back at $15200.....we accepted.
Will go and sign papers today....have to get money and transfer it.
I am pretty excited, I love that little car...and I can't find one I would like as much and they are all priced the same or higher.

It's a go then, sorry it took so long JM.

I would have played their game and said NO. But then again, I'm not the one that had the hot pants for it either.

Call back when it is a final/done deal.

jmonroe

Really? You'd walk for $200 bucks?

sda

jmonroe said:

sda said:

I assume it had a clean Carfax. If it did that doesn't give Carfax much credibility.

As I understand it, there is no penalty, maybe not even a requirement, for a shop that does not enter accident info for a VIN. That pretty much says the industry is on the "honor system" and since this is the car biz, what does that really say?

jmonroe

It did have a clean Car Fax, no mention of any accident. About a year ago I took the Pilot to Car Max to see, out of curiosity, what they would appraise it for. The Car Fax that they ran was clean as well, yet, the appraiser came to me and asked me if the car had been in an accident as they could see evidence that it had been. They said the Pilot showed and drove well, but they wouldn't sell it on their lot, they would wholesale it.

ab348

driver100 said:

They wanted $15800 difference. I offered $15000 this time.
They came back at $15200.....we accepted.
Will go and sign papers today....have to get money and transfer it.
I am pretty excited, I love that little car...and I can't find one I would like as much and they are all priced the same or higher.

Congrats to Driver, Mrs. D and Gigi!

The heart wants what it wants and I could tell that one had won you over. Many happy miles!

driver100

Salesman called back and said they would take a regular check (not certified) and they won't cash it until later in the week once the funds are in. That was nice because they didn't ask for any credit info from us.

So, we take the Passat in today, and we drive back in the C250!

We bought this almost as fast as JM buys a car!

isellhondas4

Well, I suppose I'm just being stubborn on this since I KNOW there has to be a way to restore my old identity.

I do appreciate the kind thoughts from people I consider to be friends.

driver100

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

They wanted $15800 difference. I offered $15000 this time.
They came back at $15200.....we accepted.
Will go and sign papers today....have to get money and transfer it.
I am pretty excited, I love that little car...and I can't find one I would like as much and they are all priced the same or higher.

Congrats to Driver, Mrs. D and Gigi!

The heart wants what it wants and I could tell that one had won you over. Many happy miles!

Thanks, much appreciated!

I found two 2013s that were red with black interiors, and they were only $1000 less. So, I think this was my car.....I might even like this one more than the E

sda

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

They wanted $15800 difference. I offered $15000 this time.
They came back at $15200.....we accepted.
Will go and sign papers today....have to get money and transfer it.
I am pretty excited, I love that little car...and I can't find one I would like as much and they are all priced the same or higher.

Congrats to Driver, Mrs. D and Gigi!

The heart wants what it wants and I could tell that one had won you over. Many happy miles!

Thanks, much appreciated!

I found two 2013s that were red with black interiors, and they were only $1000 less. So, I think this was my car.....I might even like this one more than the E

Congrats! Sounds like a great car. Have you posted pictures?

stever

@ab348, a regular plunger works too. You may have to plug up that pesky overflow hole though.

(@isell, shoot me an email if you want to try sorting out your name and history again - stever@edmunds.com)

iluvmysephia1

It's not my business, isellhondas4, but I'm thinkin' I'd just stick to your current nickname and run with it across the goal line like Thomas Rawls of the Seahawk's. Might just be me, though.

driver100

sda said:

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

They wanted $15800 difference. I offered $15000 this time.
They came back at $15200.....we accepted.
Will go and sign papers today....have to get money and transfer it.
I am pretty excited, I love that little car...and I can't find one I would like as much and they are all priced the same or higher.

Congrats to Driver, Mrs. D and Gigi!

The heart wants what it wants and I could tell that one had won you over. Many happy miles!

Thanks, much appreciated!

I found two 2013s that were red with black interiors, and they were only $1000 less. So, I think this was my car.....I might even like this one more than the E

Congrats! Sounds like a great car. Have you posted pictures?

Might post once we pick it up....I can't copy from their website.

nyccarguy

CRAIG! HAPPY THANKSGIVING MY FRIEND!

nyccarguy

@driver100 - (bull horn voice) - please report your punch directly to CCBA! Congratulations!

ab348

stever said:

@ab348, a regular plunger works too. You may have to plug up that pesky overflow hole though.

Y'know, I tried a regular toilet plunger and it didn't work as well as this little one. I think the small one lets you work it more efficiently than the big one, which I found tended to slip around much more.

imidazol97

Try the zip-it drain cleaners. Two in a pack for a few bucks. http://zipitclean.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyJ0_bQzD5M

fintail

Congrats! Pics or ad link?

driver100 said:

They wanted $15800 difference. I offered $15000 this time.
They came back at $15200.....we accepted.
Will go and sign papers today....have to get money and transfer it.
I am pretty excited, I love that little car...and I can't find one I would like as much and they are all priced the same higher.

It's a go then, sorry it took so long JM.

Michaell

jmonroe said:

Michaell said:

jmonroe said:

Michaell said:

(posted in CCBA, but I know not everybody reads that thread)

My dad's truck finally sold last week. $5000 to a CHP officer who will treat it right.

Lots of memories with that truck; one last pic for all to see.

Man, that is a real classic.

Why didn't you keep it. I know it was in CA but c'mon man, that would have been worth the ride.

jmonroe

Before he passed, my dad specifically wanted the truck sold, and the proceeds split among the four grandsons. Both my son and my nephew wanted it for themselves, and dad figured to avoid the confrontation by simply selling it.

Plus, I've nowhere to park it here in Colorado, and it's 2WD, which wouldn't go well in the winter.

I'm glad it found a good home.

Surprisingly, I never got a ticket in it.

OK, I get it now. Except for the part about never getting a ticket in it.

jmonroe

Oh, I got tickets. Just never when I was driving the truck. Took it on a time/speed/distance rally once, with a friend. Largest vehicle in the rally, by far.

thebean

nyccarguy said:

CRAIG! HAPPY THANKSGIVING MY FRIEND!

+1.  I miss your posts.

jmonroe

Mr_Shiftright said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

They wanted $15800 difference. I offered $15000 this time.
They came back at $15200.....we accepted.
Will go and sign papers today....have to get money and transfer it.
I am pretty excited, I love that little car...and I can't find one I would like as much and they are all priced the same or higher.

It's a go then, sorry it took so long JM.

I would have played their game and said NO. But then again, I'm not the one that had the hot pants for it either.

Call back when it is a final/done deal.

jmonroe

Really? You'd walk for $200 bucks?

Well, given the games @driver100's dealer was playing, what would it have hurt? He could always have called back (when? that would be his choice) and said, "OK, I'll take it for $15,200". If they said it was sold, I would have moved on (really no other choice at that point).

There are lots of cars out there today and if there isn't one today, there will be one in a week or two that you will like just as much and more than likely in less time than that.

jmonroe

jmonroe

driver100 said:

Salesman called back and said they would take a regular check (not certified) and they won't cash it until later in the week once the funds are in. That was nice because they didn't ask for any credit info from us.

So, we take the Passat in today, and we drive back in the C250!

We bought this almost as fast as JM buys a car!

Almost, but not the way I would have gone about it.

jmonroe

ab348

Mr_Shiftright said:

Really? You'd walk for $200 bucks?

Those old dudes from the 'Burgh are tough, hard-nosed so-and-sos.

Mr_Shiftright

Well he has a point. Last time I checked, there is no shortage of used cars in America.

fintail

Depends on what you're looking for. Weirdly optioned MBs can be hard to find. When someone like me comes up and has a specific list of colors and features, salespeople have been known to run and hide

Mr_Shiftright

Not hard if you're willing to travel a bit.

fintail

I've made requests where they've searched nationwide inventory (or so they say) and found nothing. That's one thing that helped me pick the current car (other than end of model year leftover deal) - it was close to what I would want without putting in a special order.

houdini1

Mr_Shiftright said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

They wanted $15800 difference. I offered $15000 this time.
They came back at $15200.....we accepted.
Will go and sign papers today....have to get money and transfer it.
I am pretty excited, I love that little car...and I can't find one I would like as much and they are all priced the same or higher.

It's a go then, sorry it took so long JM.

I would have played their game and said NO. But then again, I'm not the one that had the hot pants for it either.

Call back when it is a final/done deal.

jmonroe

houdini1

houdini1 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

They wanted $15800 difference. I offered $15000 this time.
They came back at $15200.....we accepted.
Will go and sign papers today....have to get money and transfer it.
I am pretty excited, I love that little car...and I can't find one I would like as much and they are all priced the same or higher.

It's a go then, sorry it took so long JM.

I would have played their game and said NO. But then again, I'm not the one that had the hot pants for it either.

Call back when it is a final/done deal.

jmonroe

Really? You'd walk for $200 bucks?

Why not, apparently the dealer would ! But probably not if I was in love.

houdini1

ab348 said:

driver100 said:

They wanted $15800 difference. I offered $15000 this time.
They came back at $15200.....we accepted.
Will go and sign papers today....have to get money and transfer it.
I am pretty excited, I love that little car...and I can't find one I would like as much and they are all priced the same or higher.

Congrats to Driver, Mrs. D and Gigi!

The heart wants what it wants and I could tell that one had won you over. Many happy miles!

Ditto !

oldfarmer50

Michaell said:

(posted in CCBA, but I know not everybody reads that thread)

My dad's truck finally sold last week. $5000 to a CHP officer who will treat it right.

Lots of memories with that truck; one last pic for all to see.

That's a beautiful truck. Just to jog my memory...year, milage etc. etc.

Tough to sell something that belonged to dad. Just sold my father's 1998 LaSabre that my son has been driving for the last 12 years. As I was cleaning it up to sell it brought back memories. Even though dad passed in 2001 it was hard to see it go.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

RE 2014 C250
The difference is $15800 all in, between the C 250 and the Passat.
We offered $14000 difference yesterday and they were supposed to call back.
Didn't get a call yesterday, they called this morning and left a message, can't accept $14000.
I have been looking for similar cars and there isn't anything I can find better.
Considering offering $15000, but, not sure if they will then hold out for $15800.
I have to word it carefully.

Do you really want it $15,000 worth? If so then make a counter offer, if not don't bump yourself further. Maybe they'll cave but if they don't you can always find another.

explorerx4

Not sure if they are done with driver yet.
We didn't know your Passat was a stick, other something like that.
I hope it turns out well for him.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

They wanted $15800 difference. I offered $15000 this time.
They came back at $15200.....we accepted.
Will go and sign papers today....have to get money and transfer it.
I am pretty excited, I love that little car...and I can't find one I would like as much and they are all priced the same or higher.

It's a go then, sorry it took so long JM.

Well, well, read down a few posts and everything changes.

Guess you did like that car $15,000 worth and a few hundred more to boot.

I bet that salesman knew it too.

Congrats.

stickguy

I have one of those zip strip drain cleaners. Works great on the tub drain (where I have to work around the slots) to clear out the massive hair clogs my daughter somehow manages to get down there. Nasty job though, that stuff stinks!

imidazol97

stickguy said:

I have one of those zip strip drain cleaners. Works great on the tub drain (where I have to work around the slots) to clear out the massive hair clogs my daughter somehow manages to get down there. Nasty job though, that stuff stinks!

There must be larger sizes than the bathroom sink size. I saw a video of someone cleaning out a shower drain and pulling up a huge amount of nasty stuff. The package makes clear they're meant for one-time use. Just throw the whole thing away.

jmonroe

sda said:

jmonroe said:

sda said:

I assume it had a clean Carfax. If it did that doesn't give Carfax much credibility.

As I understand it, there is no penalty, maybe not even a requirement, for a shop that does not enter accident info for a VIN. That pretty much says the industry is on the "honor system" and since this is the car biz, what does that really say?

jmonroe

It did have a clean Car Fax, no mention of any accident. About a year ago I took the Pilot to Car Max to see, out of curiosity, what they would appraise it for. The Car Fax that they ran was clean as well, yet, the appraiser came to me and asked me if the car had been in an accident as they could see evidence that it had been. They said the Pilot showed and drove well, but they wouldn't sell it on their lot, they would wholesale it.

I have heard about this kind of a mess before. However, I have never heard about a dealer who was willing to give money back because of it. That says a lot about that dealer but like you said, you'd go to an independent shop to have it looked over if you were to ever buy a used car again. It sounds like your car is a candidate for being the "Carfax Poster Car of the Month Duped Award".

In the end, the most important thing is that you still like the car and have had no problems with it.

jmonroe

stever

I wonder if @ab348's plunger would take out the new dent in the van. Just got t-boned a couple of hours ago. Sheet metal really isn't too bad but the rear wheel is bent in to the fender liner. Details here, and we're okay.

Forgot to take the phone while running errands as usual, so no pics, unless the film in my one-time use camera that must be 8 years old is still good.

jmonroe

stever said:

I wonder if @ab348's plunger would take out the new dent in the van. Just got t-boned a couple of hours ago. Sheet metal really isn't too bad but the rear wheel is bent in to the fender liner. Details here, and we're okay.

Forgot to take the phone while running errands as usual, so no pics, unless the film in my one-time use camera that must be 8 years old is still good.

Damn, this place is getting dangerous to be hanging out in.

I hope you and your wife were not hurt. Tomorrow will tell you more. I'm sure your wife is a toughie but I'm worried about you.

After it all settles in tell us more.

Good luck,

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

stever said:

I wonder if @ab348's plunger would take out the new dent in the van. Just got t-boned a couple of hours ago. Sheet metal really isn't too bad but the rear wheel is bent in to the fender liner. Details here, and we're okay.

Forgot to take the phone while running errands as usual, so no pics, unless the film in my one-time use camera that must be 8 years old is still good.

Ouch! As I recally this van was pretty miled up so financially you should be ok. The important thing is that physically you are alright.

Of course you have to put a hit out on this kid. :@

stever

lol, I think @stickguy had it right - the kid has already had a rough start to life.

On the good side, I met a nice guy. One of the witnesses (two nice people stayed for a good 30 minutes to talk to the cop), was wearing a Talkeetna ballcap so we chatted about Alaska for a bit and then it turns out he was a Yooper from Marquette. Small world.

The other witness was kind of interesting. She was polite but didn't talk to either me or my wife or the kids.

The kids wanted to talk to me but I just waved them off and told them the cops would figure it out and the important thing was that no one was hurt.

And yeah, my neck and shoulder will be feeling it tomorrow I'm sure. I popped two Advil dry while waiting on the cops.

explorerx4

Just because someone has a sob story doesn't mean it's the truth.
Experienced it a hundred times, usually when that person does something they can get in trouble for.
Luckily for us, not my kids.

bwia

driver100 said:

Salesman called back and said they would take a regular check (not certified) and they won't cash it until later in the week once the funds are in. That was nice because they didn't ask for any credit info from us. So, we take the Passat in today, and we drive back in the C250! We bought this almost as fast as JM buys a car!

Congrats on the new purchase - you seem very happy and content like a little kid. Enjoy the ride and be safe.

driver100

fintail said:

Congrats! Pics or ad link?

driver100 said:

They wanted $15800 difference. I offered $15000 this time.
They came back at $15200.....we accepted.
Will go and sign papers today....have to get money and transfer it.
I am pretty excited, I love that little car...and I can't find one I would like as much and they are all priced the same higher.

It's a go then, sorry it took so long JM.

Link I can do:

Driver's 2014 C250

driver100

ab348 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

Really? You'd walk for $200 bucks?

Those old dudes from the 'Burgh are tough, hard-nosed so-and-sos.

lol...and may be true or may not be. But, near the end our salesman said another salesman came over and told him that he had a customer coming in tomorrow to look at the car.

You know what concerned me? In these cases, you let the car go, then you buy one for even more, or you buy one that isn't quite as nice, or you buy one just to get it and it has problems because you are buying recklessly.

We got the exact car we love, and it looks great. I sat in the new C Classes in the showroom and I don't like the feel of it as much. I like the looks and comfort of this one. Drove great on the way home. Love the turbo 4.

driver100

Mr_Shiftright said:

Well he has a point. Last time I checked, there is no shortage of used cars in America.

There is a shortage at a fair price, and within an hours drive, and if it has the right colors, and if it is bought from a trustworthy dealer..........all the stars have to line up....not so easy.

fintail

Interesting, neat. The colors work, and I didn't know it had the map pilot.

Here's your decoded VIN, if you are into the OCD detail as I am (note, color names often change for NA)

Main data
Parameter Value
Ident. number (FIN) WDD2040471R301888
VIN WDDGF4HB4ER301888
Baumuster 204047
Sales name C 250 CGI
Permanent link http://carinfo.kiev.ua/cars/vin/mercedes/vin_check?su=v1-buno0
Order number 0 4 704 57925 (Destination: USA)
Delivery date 24 06 2013
PAINT1 590U FIRE OPAL RED - UNILAC
Interior color 125A IMITATION LEATHER - BEIGE
Engine 271860 30 670346
Gearbox 722997 07 529897
General data for model code 204047


Baumuster Модель Платформа Модель Двигатель КП Кол-во дверей Date From Date To
204047 C-class W204 C250CGI BlueEFFICIENCY Бензин
271.860 АКП
722.618
722.997
722.618
4
SA codes
Parameter Value
03A OIL OFFSET AMOUNT +300 ML OIL
100A IMITATION LEATHER
125A IMITATION LEATHER - BEIGE
165 PRODUCTION LOCATION VEHICLE SOUTH AFRICA
1U2 SNOW GRID
212B OP. INSTRUCT. AND MAINT. BOOKLET-ENGL. FOR USA/CAN
221 LEFT FRONT SEAT, ELECTRICALLY ADJUSTABLE
222 RIGHT FRONT SEAT, ELECTRICALLY ADJUSTABLE
232 GARAGE DOOR OPENER WITH 284 - 390 MHZ FREQUENCY
240 LED DAYTIME RUNNING LIGHTS
245 TRIP COMPUTER / COMPASS
249 INSIDE AND OUTSIDE MIRROR AUTOMATIC DIMMING
264 LICENSE PLATE ATTACHMENT AMERICA
265 LINES-NO.PLATE DISCONTINUED
280 LEATHER STEERING WHEEL AND LEATHER GEAR SHIFT KNOB
284B AIRBAG LABEL - ENGLISH FOR USA
287 THROUGH-LOADING FEATURE
291 PELVIS AIRBAG (PELVISBAG)
294 KNEE AIRBAG
301 ASHTRAY PACKAGE
309 CUP HOLDER
342B INSTRUMENT CLUSTER/HU LANGUAGE - AMERICAN
345 RAIN SENSOR
348 EMERGENCY CALL/SUPPORT SYSTEM
414 ELECTRIC TILT/SLIDE SUNROOF IN GLASS VERSION
427 AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION 7-SPEED
440 TEMPOMAT (CRUISE CONTROL)
442 MULTIFUNCTION STEERING WHEEL (12 BUTTONS)
461 INSTRUMENT WITH MILES IND. AND ENGLISH LEGEND
475 TIRE PRESSURE MONITOR (TPM) HIGH LINE/MID LINE
486 SPORTS SUSPENSION
494 U.S. VERSION
4U4 RADIATOR GRILLE WITH CENTER STAR
508 NAVIBOX PREINSTALLATION
518 UNIVERSAL COMMUNICATIONS INTERFACE (UCI)
523 RADIO AUDIO 20
54U ROOF INTERIOR TRIM BROWN FABRIC
551 ANTI-THEFT/ANTI-BREAK-IN WARNING SYSTEM
580 AIR CONDITIONER
584 ELECTRIC WINDOW REGULATOR
590U FIRE OPAL RED - UNILAC
634 DELETION - FIRST AID KIT
636 DELETION - WARNING TRIANGLE
668 PRODUCT PROT.F.TRANSPORT VEH. W/ TIE-DOWN HOOKS
690 EMERGENCY SPARE TIRE (MINI SPARE)
705L UNITED STATES (USA)
731 TRIM PIECES - WOOD BURRED WALNUT VENEER
763 RADIO REMOTE CONTROL W/ PANIC SWITCH (315 MHZ)
772 AMG STYLING PACKAGE-FRONT SPOILER, SIDE SKIRT
7XXL NORTH AND SOUTH AMERICA
804 YOM 23/1
873 SEAT HEATER FOR LEFT AND RIGHT FRONT SEATS
876 INTERIOR LIGHT ASSEMBLY
887 SEPARATE TRUNK LID LOCKING
889 KEYLESS - GO
909 ALTERNATOR MANAGEMENT
910 DYNAMO WITH HIGHER CAPACITY (FFO)
916 FUEL TANK WITH GREAT CAPACITY - VOLUME 1
919 AIRCON COOLING POWER PACKAGE
952 SPORTS PACKAGE
954 EQUIPMENT PACKAGE FOR AVANTGARDE VEHICLES
986 DEVIATING VIN WITH MODEL YEAR
989 IDENTIFICATION LABEL UNDER WINDSHIELD
A22 NEW CONVERTER GENERATION
A43 JOINT FLANGE VARIANT
A63 FE TORQUE CONVERTER HOUSING-0
A87 U VALVE BODY ASSEMBLY WITH VGS 3
A89 REDUCED-FRICTION
B09 REFRIGERANT COMPRESSOR WITH MAGNETIC COUPLING
B12 WHEEL REPLACEMENT TOOL
F204 MODEL SERIES 204
FW LIMOUSINE
G997 TRANSMISSION CODE VERSION 97
GA AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
HA REAR AXLE
K15 CONTROL CODE FOR SERVICE INTERVAL 15000 KM
L LEFT-HAND STEERING
M010 EVO/VEHICLE UPGRADE ENGINES
M18 DISPLACEMENT 1.8 LITER
M271 R4-GASOLINE ENGINE M271
P47 PARKING PACKAGE HIGH
R02 ALL SEASON TYRES
R95 17" LT ALLOY WHEEL 5 DOUBLE-SPOKE DES. MIXED TIRES
U10 FRONT PASSENGER SEAT WITH WEIGHT SENSING
U12 FLOOR MATS - VELOUR
V21 SPEED- + LOADINDEX 91H
VL FRONT AXLE HALF, LEFT
VR FRONT AXLE HALF, RIGHT

driver100 said:

Link I can do:

Driver's 2014 C250

stickguy

I really do like the styling on that vintage C class. And just the perfect size for me. I would not mind at all trying to find a nice late 2014 model, since those will be 3+ years old at that point. With a nice option load of course!

or by then, the 2015/16 newer styles will be more affordable. They are nice too.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

RE 2014 C250
The difference is $15800 all in, between the C 250 and the Passat.
We offered $14000 difference yesterday and they were supposed to call back.
Didn't get a call yesterday, they called this morning and left a message, can't accept $14000.
I have been looking for similar cars and there isn't anything I can find better.
Considering offering $15000, but, not sure if they will then hold out for $15800.
I have to word it carefully.

Do you really want it $15,000 worth? If so then make a counter offer, if not don't bump yourself further. Maybe they'll cave but if they don't you can always find another.

I caved.........but over $200. Like JM said, over 6 years thats less than $40 a year, for the perfect car...couldn't be better. Love driving it...it is more fun to drive than the E!

Salesman said they gave $600 more for the Passat which he rarely sees, and took $200 off the new one which he has never seen done before.

We got there at 3, all the salesmans papers were ready and in order. We completed that in 30 minutes, then we waited 2 HOURS to see the finance guy. Had to turn down extended warranty $2000, RFT insurance...found the car didn't have them, wheel insurance $300, stone chip insurance $300, a bunch of other stuff that could add $7000 to the price. Then I must have signed 20 forms....you sign more forms buying a car in Florida than you do to buy a house. Some are if there is a dispute you agree to arbitration......all kinds of forms. Finally left at 6:30PM....a very long tiring day.

Mr_Shiftright

stever said:

I wonder if @ab348's plunger would take out the new dent in the van. Just got t-boned a couple of hours ago. Sheet metal really isn't too bad but the rear wheel is bent in to the fender liner. Details here, and we're okay.

Forgot to take the phone while running errands as usual, so no pics, unless the film in my one-time use camera that must be 8 years old is still good.

Hmmm....probably bent the axle or spindle or whatever is back there.

suydam

stever said:

I wonder if @ab348's plunger would take out the new dent in the van. Just got t-boned a couple of hours ago. Sheet metal really isn't too bad but the rear wheel is bent in to the fender liner. Details here, and we're okay.

Forgot to take the phone while running errands as usual, so no pics, unless the film in my one-time use camera that must be 8 years old is still good.

What's going on? Not sure I want to leave my driveway! Hope everyone is ok.

stever

We're fine - @PF_Flyer's fender bender blues are catching.

Mr_Shiftright

driver100 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

Well he has a point. Last time I checked, there is no shortage of used cars in America.

There is a shortage at a fair price, and within an hours drive, and if it has the right colors, and if it is bought from a trustworthy dealer..........all the stars have to line up....not so easy.

True, true but that's not a shortage---those are your parameters that make it feel like a shortage---and I don't blame you at all---jes' sayin'.