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venture

abacomike said:

venture said:

I know we are in the throes of roofing and Cadillacs, but I have a furniture related question and can't think of a better place to ask.

We had La-Z-Boy sofas in our family room that lasted quite a while. The one I usually sit on and nap on (and occasionally sleep on all night) wore quite a bit after, maybe, 5 or 6 years. I really don't remember how long we had them. The other one was still in pretty good shape.

We replaced them 3 weeks ago with La-Z-Boy again since we liked the style and the previous ones lasted fairly well. We also had to wait about 2 months to get them because we wanted a tough fabric that would wear so they had to be specially made. We told the sales guy that they would be in our family room and what kind of use they would get.

The fabric on one of them has started to become "fuzzy" for lack of better words. I asked at the store where we bought them and they said it is normal and to use a sweater shaver to remove what they referred to as "pilling". My wife shaved them today and it helped, but did not cure the problem.

Anyone else have similar problems or words of wisdom? My wife is fit to be tied and wants to return them. I can't imagine either the store or La-Z-Boy agreeing to that.

I guess, in essence, this is a potential buy back, but I suspect a car buyer has more rights.

Send it back!  Should not pill - something is definitely wrong with the fabric.

Sort of my thought too Mike.

thebean

fordfool said:

Boys, keep a good thought for me today - it's colonoscopy prep day.  Only allowable intake is stuff like broth, Gatorade, Popsicles, Jello, and water.  Adding to the fun are numerous doses of laxative.    To keep this on topic, you can be sure I will not be venturing out in my Accord any at all today.  

I had an upper endoscopy (via the mouth) yesterday which is a walk in the park compared with a colonoscopy (which is not via the mouth). Take heart though, after the prep, the rest is easy. Good news, no ulcer.

Good news on the ulcer.  I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, but that just may be because I'm a bit dizzy due to all of today's "activities".  

venture

cdnpinhead said:

In my world it's called "value engineering." The original concept was that putting "features" into a product that the customer doesn't care about is wasted money, and no one will notice if they're removed. The reality is that most customers won't notice, but some will.

Anyway, in the high-dollar aerospace situation, engineers often spend a fortune making everything "perfect" when almost no one notices and the spec didn't require it in the first place.

Those who can feel the pea through all the mattresses are at the mercy of the mob who can't.

Value Engineering - I used to have bad dreams about that. That's one of the reasons I quit engineering and started grounds keeping.

berri

Our latest La-Z-Boy recliner seems noticeably inferior than previous ones we've owned. I'm guessing it has a China factor now

stickguy

definitely built like they used to be I would say. Most furniture these days is not built to last. At least most of it is pretty cheap though.

venture

berri said:

Our latest La-Z-Boy recliner seems noticeably inferior than previous ones we've owned. I'm guessing it has a China factor now

I didn't think of that.

I did go to the web site and filled out a form to tell them what is going on. Of course, after spending 10 or 15 minutes filling in all the required blanks and describing what the problem was, it said they experienced a problem after I clicked on SEND. Man!

venture

stickguy said:

definitely built like they used to be I would say. Most furniture these days is not built to last. At least most of it is pretty cheap though.

This wasn't cheap, but not extremely pricey either. I did expect it to last longer than 3 weeks before it wore out though...lol

roadburner

Michaell said:

Read the book "Debt of Honor" by Tom Clancy. At the end of the book, an airliner is crashed into the Capitol building in DC during a joint session of congress.

Written in 1994.

Or The Medusa Touch- written in 1973:



In 1978 the movie adaptation was released starring Richard Burton...

qbrozen

fordfool said:

thebean said:

Boys, keep a good thought for me today - it's colonoscopy prep day.  Only allowable intake is stuff like broth, Gatorade, Popsicles, Jello, and water.  Adding to the fun are numerous doses of laxative.    To keep this on topic, you can be sure I will not be venturing out in my Accord any at all today.  

I had an upper endoscopy (via the mouth) yesterday which is a walk in the park compared with a colonoscopy (which is not via the mouth). Take heart though, after the prep, the rest is easy. Good news, no ulcer.

Kind of a weird topic, BUT I found the upper endoscopy exponentially worse. Of course, I was completely awake and undrugged for the endoscopy while being completely unconscious for the colonoscopy.

stickguy

odd. I had a couple of endos, and was knocked out with the same stuff so was not aware of it. Thankfully, last time I needed one, I had them done at the same time, so only knocked out once!

jmonroe

cdnpinhead said:

In my world it's called "value engineering." The original concept was that putting "features" into a product that the customer doesn't care about is wasted money, and no one will notice if they're removed. The reality is that most customers won't notice, but some will.

Anyway, in the high-dollar aerospace situation, engineers often spend a fortune making everything "perfect" when almost no one notices and the spec didn't require it in the first place.

Those who can feel the pea through all the mattresses are at the mercy of the mob who can't.

What you say is almost correct about the aerospace program. And all who worked closely in that industry knew there was quite a bit of "fat" built into their specs. That is a good thing and the way it must be done. However, as budgets were being cut the new designers started to eat into the "fat" since they were told there was a lot of it. Eventually they ate all of the "fat" and were now eating the "meat" and didn't know it until a catastrophe hit and we all know how that went.

When I was working, a couple young guys came to me one day and asked how much REAL margin we had in our design for an instrument that was going to be retested to more stringent specs. When I asked why they wanted to know they said, "We might have to eat into some of it if our new test doesn't go so well". My response was, "for what you want this time we can handle it but NO MORE after this margin cut. After this we have to go to a new design. AND, MAKE SURE our revised specs after this test say that".

You can only give away so much before it bites you. This applies to industry, cars, building products, furniture and even bottled water.

Sorry for the rant but as you can tell you hit a nerve.

jmonroe

jmonroe

thebean said:

fordfool said:

thebean said:

Boys, keep a good thought for me today - it's colonoscopy prep day.  Only allowable intake is stuff like broth, Gatorade, Popsicles, Jello, and water.  Adding to the fun are numerous doses of laxative.    To keep this on topic, you can be sure I will not be venturing out in my Accord any at all today.  

I had an upper endoscopy (via the mouth) yesterday which is a walk in the park compared with a colonoscopy (which is not via the mouth). Take heart though, after the prep, the rest is easy. Good news, no ulcer.

Good news on the ulcer.  I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, but that just may be because I'm a bit dizzy due to all of today's "activities".  

Great news.

Ask @abacomike if you can have what's left in that bottle he has. He might even join in on your celebration. Only problem is that cheap skate Mike might want you to pay for any needed refills. :@

jmonroe

28firefighter

thebean said:

fordfool said:

Boys, keep a good thought for me today - it's colonoscopy prep day.  Only allowable intake is stuff like broth, Gatorade, Popsicles, Jello, and water.  Adding to the fun are numerous doses of laxative.    To keep this on topic, you can be sure I will not be venturing out in my Accord any at all today.  

I had an upper endoscopy (via the mouth) yesterday which is a walk in the park compared with a colonoscopy (which is not via the mouth). Take heart though, after the prep, the rest is easy. Good news, no ulcer.

Good news on the ulcer.  I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, but that just may be because I'm a bit dizzy due to all of today's "activities".  

My GI guy (a specialist in Crohn's Disease) always tells me that technically Vodka is a clear liquid.  I'm not brave enough to try that.

I just picked up my prescription for the Osmoprep and it only had two warnings on the label:
(1) May cause dizziness
(2) May impair ability to drive

While both true, they forgot the warning to install a seatbelt on the throne prior to taking....

qbrozen

stickguy said:

odd. I had a couple of endos, and was knocked out with the same stuff so was not aware of it. Thankfully, last time I needed one, I had them done at the same time, so only knocked out once!

This was nearly 20 years ago. Going without drugs was my choice. With the stomach problems I was having, I felt introducing drugs was an ill-conceived move. It certainly was a memorable experience. However, the bone marrow test I got around the same time was far worse! 

stickguy

oh yeah, nothing like a spinal tap when you are awake. Did not enjoy that.

houdini1

stickguy said:

odd. I had a couple of endos, and was knocked out with the same stuff so was not aware of it. Thankfully, last time I needed one, I had them done at the same time, so only knocked out once!

Got you coming and going, eh !

driver100

jmonroe said:

cdnpinhead said:

In my world it's called "value engineering." The original concept was that putting "features" into a product that the customer doesn't care about is wasted money, and no one will notice if they're removed. The reality is that most customers won't notice, but some will.

Anyway, in the high-dollar aerospace situation, engineers often spend a fortune making everything "perfect" when almost no one notices and the spec didn't require it in the first place.

Those who can feel the pea through all the mattresses are at the mercy of the mob who can't.

You can only give away so much before it bites you. This applies to industry, cars, building products, furniture and even bottled water.

Sorry for the rant but as you can tell you hit a nerve.

jmonroe

I read it all and that was very interesting....I actually learned something. I never thought of cost cutting coming out of the engineering department....I would have assumed that is the last place you would want to cut back. You should have written a longer post to expound on that.

abacomike

jmonroe said:

fordfool said:

Boys, keep a good thought for me today - it's colonoscopy prep day.  Only allowable intake is stuff like broth, Gatorade, Popsicles, Jello, and water.  Adding to the fun are numerous doses of laxative.    To keep this on topic, you can be sure I will not be venturing out in my Accord any at all today.  

I had an upper endoscopy (via the mouth) yesterday which is a walk in the park compared with a colonoscopy (which is not via the mouth). Take heart though, after the prep, the rest is easy. Good news, no ulcer.

Good news on the ulcer.  I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, but that just may be because I'm a bit dizzy due to all of today's "activities".  

Great news. Ask @abacomike if you can have what's left in that bottle he has. He might even join in on your celebration. Only problem is that cheap skate Mike might want you to pay for any needed refills. :@ jmonroe

You bet!!! 

jmonroe

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

cdnpinhead said:

In my world it's called "value engineering." The original concept was that putting "features" into a product that the customer doesn't care about is wasted money, and no one will notice if they're removed. The reality is that most customers won't notice, but some will.

Anyway, in the high-dollar aerospace situation, engineers often spend a fortune making everything "perfect" when almost no one notices and the spec didn't require it in the first place.

Those who can feel the pea through all the mattresses are at the mercy of the mob who can't.

You can only give away so much before it bites you. This applies to industry, cars, building products, furniture and even bottled water.

Sorry for the rant but as you can tell you hit a nerve.

jmonroe

I read it all and that was very interesting....I actually learned something. I never thought of cost cutting coming out of the engineering department....I would have assumed that is the last place you would want to cut back. You should have written a longer post to expound on that.

I just can't win with you can I? :@

jmonroe

imidazol97

qbrozen said:

Kind of a weird topic, BUT I found the upper endoscopy exponentially worse. Of course, I was completely awake and undrugged for the endoscopy while being completely unconscious for the colonoscopy.

The lady ahead of me for one of the rooms had not had sedation for her colonoscopy. I could remember some of my previous colo due to light sedation with propofol. This time I remembered nothing and they were working to wake me up in the recovery area so they could slide me out of there to have room for the next victims. LOL

ab348

imidazol97 said:

The lady ahead of me for one of the rooms had not had sedation for her colonoscopy. I could remember some of my previous colo due to light sedation with propofol. This time I remembered nothing and they were working to wake me up in the recovery area so they could slide me out of there to have room for the next victims. LOL

Ha! Back in the 1980s one of my early jobs was in "Management Engineering" in a large 800-bed hospital. We did time-and-motion studies, process re-engineering, etc. One day I was given a project to do an analysis of the workflows in the colonoscopy clinic. Part of it involved me spending a day at the registration desk in the clinic starting at 6:30AM and tracking the progress of victims patients over the course of the day. The only thing I really remember of that time was after lunch when the staff tried to bring people out from under sedation and get them out of there before they went home at 3PM. It was a succession of nurses and orderlies walking people in hospital gowns up and down the hall, often with them bouncing off the walls because they were still out of it. Poor devils.

driver100

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

cdnpinhead said:

In my world it's called "value engineering." The original concept was that putting "features" into a product that the customer doesn't care about is wasted money, and no one will notice if they're removed. The reality is that most customers won't notice, but some will.

Anyway, in the high-dollar aerospace situation, engineers often spend a fortune making everything "perfect" when almost no one notices and the spec didn't require it in the first place.

Those who can feel the pea through all the mattresses are at the mercy of the mob who can't.

You can only give away so much before it bites you. This applies to industry, cars, building products, furniture and even bottled water.

Sorry for the rant but as you can tell you hit a nerve.

jmonroe

I read it all and that was very interesting....I actually learned something. I never thought of cost cutting coming out of the engineering department....I would have assumed that is the last place you would want to cut back. You should have written a longer post to expound on that.

I just can't win with you can I? :@

jmonroe

You can win.....just keep them under 150 words max.

isellhondas

dino001 said:

isellhondas said:

I would certainly give them a call the next day or soon afterwards. I would thank them for coming in and I would ask them if they had any questions. Depending on their reaction I would continue to call them from time to time until I realized I was kicking a dead horse. If I had no response to two or three left messages, I was done. Now, I MIGHT wait a month and call them one final time.

If I approached a customer on the lot I was quick to size them us as serious or non serious. I'm sure I missed the mark on occasion but any seasoned salesperson can usually spot a "stroke" a mile away. By definition, a stroke is a person who has no intension of buying anything and is there to kill time. The worst of these were "test Drivers" whose idea of a fun day was to flit from lot to lot driving cars.

Having said that...Yes, it was possible to turn a "stroke" into a buyer but this wasn't as easy as management
would tell you it was. I was always nice to everyone and once in awhile I would be happy to see a former stroke return and buy a car from me sometimes after several years.

Next day call/email was all I wanted. Volvo guy was supposed to check if a red V60 T6 R-design was available anywhere in the US (turns out there are three showing up on Autotrader, far away, closest one is near Pittsburgh, loaded with some extra $2000+ stuff I don't care for - not necessarily junk, but not very value enhancing for me.

When I was just a test drive, I would tell them. This would happen if an unusual engine/transmission/suspension option combination shows up that I'm considering for a future (I'm a weird guy with weird tastes), but I know it won't be around at the time I'm ready to order. I'd be upfront about it and appreciative of their time. I'd then come outside of busy times, like early Saturday, when clearly nobody else is there, so they can't say I'm taking their time away from paying customers. I do that really sparingly, but I'd do that and feel no remorse, if that's really in consideration for my next vehicle. I did that perhaps couple of times in last five years. BMW also has these annual drive events, when you can come and drive something without even a hint of pressure to buy at the moment. The manufacturer supplies the vehicles and personnel. I attended couple of those, so I would not bother poor salespeople who try to make a dollar. So, I'm respectful to their time and even if I'm not buying "today", I don't consider myself a stroke.

This round I was telling them there were only two or three models I was looking and the field was already narrow. I'm coming to their place in a vehicle that I bought new and now it is over 5 years old (perfect time to change) - the vehicle is either of their brand, or brand that is competitive, or in case of Volvo more expensive/prestigious (at least a little). Unlike Hondas you used to sell, BMWs and Volvos are quite common to be purchased as special orders - ability to customize is part of the experience, should you wish it. With such an ability, it's also normal that a person would be more deliberate, if they can choose from literally hundreds of thousands of combinations (BMW often would say so on their ads). What else should I do to get a simple follow up email (not even a phone call) from these guys?

I didn't mean to imply that you were a "stroke"! Totally agree, that salesperson should have called you!

I used to lose interest quickly when I had a fussy used car shopper who HAD to have a certain car in a certain color! I would try to find out if they had a second choice. I mean the chances of having that exact car arrive either as a trade or as an auction buy were very slim. I would let our buyer know to keep a lookout. I would call these people to follow up only to find that they had usually bought something TOTALLY different than the car they HAD to have. I learned that car shoppers if they are serious want a car NOW and once they come to terms with that fact their oddball car isn't going to magically appear they settle for something else.

Since I was always nice to them and because we had the largest selection of great used cars in the state I got them back in pretty often.

isellhondas

graphicguy said:

I appreciate most everyone's support in this frustrating Caddy situation. I'm going to take a breather from here for a bit. I do enjoy talking cars, deals, house shopping, TSA, even appliances. But, sometimes it just gets too "snarky"!

Will check in further on down the line

Exactly why I've stayed out of this conversation.

isellhondas

js06gv said:

jmonroe said:

qbrozen said:

graphicguy said:

I appreciate most everyone's support in this frustrating Caddy situation. I'm going to take a breather from here for a bit. I do enjoy talking cars, deals, house shopping, TSA, even appliances. But, sometimes it just gets too "snarky"!

Will check in further on down the line

The ignore function in my brain must work better than I am aware since I haven't noticed those comments. Anyway, don't you dare leave me hanging on this story!!

I'm with you about the "ignore function", I'm pretty good at that too, but for the life of me I don't know what "snarky" comments have been made. Maybe I missed those posts or I don't know "snarky" when I see it.

I guess I've been snarked on and didn't even know it. BUT, if I ever find out who did it...well, ah, um, lets just say I better not find out. :@ :@

jmonroe

There have been some posts that suggest a casting of doubt over whether Graphicguy is giving a full account of the problems or processes regarding his Cadillacs. I can't imagine anyone having the time or inclination to make any of this up. He's been through several ordeals and I feel for the guy. I also really like some recent Cadillac products and what I've been reading would give me pause were I in the market for one. And not so much over the problems themselves, as every manufacturer will have them, but in how they are (or aren't) resolved.

I have "known" graphicguy for a long time and I can tell you he is as straightforward as they come. I feel for him and his ongoing ordeal!

isellhondas

ab348 said:

andres3 said:

Well, I did see a "older" model CTS 2.0 on the freeway today, and it was running, moving along under its own power, and it wasn't smoking, belching, or making any backfire noises, so plus 1 for Cadillac.

The usual suspect strikes again!

Exactly and the reason I ignore him.

andres3

I was shopping for a pre-owned/CPO S4 before I got my new '14 S4. The problem was that it was going to take forever to find one to my liking, for a price I could live with. It was easier just to negotiate a very good deal on a new one, and order it without all the expensive fluff, which made it cheaper than many 2-year old asking prices.

However, I did use that as leverage, I told them my bottom line top dollar offer, and said if they couldn't do it, I'd take it to another half dozen Audi dealerships to see if they could, and if they couldn't, then I'd have to do something else (look for a used one).

isellhondas

28firefighter said:

berri said:

28 - I know someone in the Seattle area that had a roof issue on a relatively new home that leaked. It turned out the builder didn't put flashing underneath it where a corner in the roof met. Hopefully they will resolve your problem. That makes a mess and can lead to mold issues, so make sure they take care of any insulation, wallboard, etc. that may have gotten wet, even in the attic or a wall.

We have what is called a cold roof - it is completely flat over the entire house, has no attic and has no vents. Luckily for us the leak is relatively contained, for now.

Our roofs are flat, torch-down roofs. After an inspection it was revealed that:
(1) We have no cant stripping at all
(2) None of the metal seams are sealed in the roof caps
(3) The torch-down is installed at a 90 degree angle (instead of a 2-45 degree angle) because there was no cant stripping
(4) There was no vapor barrier or membrane installed on top of or underneath the plywood, but rather the torch-down was torched straight to the plywood
(5) The torch-down material is actually cracking because it was over-torched.
(6) Roofing material has almost completely worn away at the scuppers because of the 90 degree angle - this was the source of our leak.

Basically, its a miracle we have only had one small leak in 3 years.

It could be worse! The people across the street from us just had an attic full of RATS cleaned out! You should have seen the number of black trash bags full of insulation they hauled away. Our next door neighbors had the same thing a couple of years ago. Rats in the house and under the house to the tune of nearly 4000.00. So far, no evidence here....yet!

nyccarguy

Just an update for your guys who shy away from the Chronic Car Buyer's Anonymous thread. I had the snow shoes taken off of my Legacy yesterday and had the OEM all season tires re-installed ($40 for 4 tires Mounted & Balanced). I've just got to run the Legacy through the car wash before I trade it in (it is covered in salt from last week). I made arrangements to take delivery of my new* 2015 Infiniti Q40 AWD this Monday.

@isellhondas - Besides an old BMW 325i that I bought for less than $1000 about 10 years ago, this Infiniti will be my 1st used car purchase. I really wanted a Slate Blue/Black one. Looking at used cars means I'd have to make concessions. If I couldn't find a Slate Blue/Black, I'd look for a Black/Black (which is what I'm getting) or a White/Black Q40/G37x. Finding a lower mileage car at a great price was more important to me than the color. I just didn't want Silver or Grey.

Even 15 years ago when I was Prelude shopping after the car had been discontinued, I told the dealer I was working with that I wanted a Type SH in either Red, White, or Black. If there were ZERO Type SH Preludes that he could swap for, then I'd take a base model with a stick.

stickguy

Same here Craig regarding GG. I think his hearing is tomorrow? Or maybe today? Hopefully he at least pops in to post the short version of the outcome. Hey, some of us have a large emotional investment in this!

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:

qbrozen said:

I fail to see how there can be any doubt or even argument about any of it. It exceeded 30 consecutive days in the shop for one issue. Case closed. No other details even needed, frankly. Show me a lemon law where this is OK.

Ohio lemon law only applies for the first 12 months. This one is outside that. I suspect that will be the key part of whatever argument Cadillac makes (which doesn't have a whole lot else to it near as I can tell).

You know, that's an interesting point. Is a defect that doesn't manifest itself on a timely basis considered a defect.

I believe IIRC, GG may have reported a related problem in the first year. I think a major fault should have a 3 year time limit for reporting......or at least it should be the same as the warranty period. It is ridiculous to put a one year limit for a major fault to appear....a lot of cars can last for 1 year 12k miles and then big problems develop shortly after that. This can be a $30, $40, $50k or more item, it should last with no real problems for 5 or 6 years minimum.

Another thing is the dealer will patch up the problem and the car will run OK for 1 year....then no one cares or will do anything.

In GG's case the defect was always there just waiting until unsought wear occured for wires to start arcing and cause a fire.

oldfarmer50

thebean said:

fordfool said:

thebean said:

Boys, keep a good thought for me today - it's colonoscopy prep day.  Only allowable intake is stuff like broth, Gatorade, Popsicles, Jello, and water.  Adding to the fun are numerous doses of laxative.    To keep this on topic, you can be sure I will not be venturing out in my Accord any at all today.  

I had an upper endoscopy (via the mouth) yesterday which is a walk in the park compared with a colonoscopy (which is not via the mouth). Take heart though, after the prep, the rest is easy. Good news, no ulcer.

Good news on the ulcer.  I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, but that just may be because I'm a bit dizzy due to all of today's "activities".  

If during a colonoscopy they see "light at the end of the tunnel"...they've gone too far!

andres3

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:

qbrozen said:

I fail to see how there can be any doubt or even argument about any of it. It exceeded 30 consecutive days in the shop for one issue. Case closed. No other details even needed, frankly. Show me a lemon law where this is OK.

Ohio lemon law only applies for the first 12 months. This one is outside that. I suspect that will be the key part of whatever argument Cadillac makes (which doesn't have a whole lot else to it near as I can tell).

You know, that's an interesting point. Is a defect that doesn't manifest itself on a timely basis considered a defect.

I believe IIRC, GG may have reported a related problem in the first year. I think a major fault should have a 3 year time limit for reporting......or at least it should be the same as the warranty period. It is ridiculous to put a one year limit for a major fault to appear....a lot of cars can last for 1 year 12k miles and then big problems develop shortly after that. This can be a $30, $40, $50k or more item, it should last with no real problems for 5 or 6 years minimum.

Another thing is the dealer will patch up the problem and the car will run OK for 1 year....then no one cares or will do anything.

In GG's case the defect was always there just waiting until unsought wear occured for wires to start arcing and cause a fire.

If a defect fails just after the warranty period, is it really a defect, or just excellent planned obsolescence engineering (along with a little luck).

My Audi's seat trim parts have come in from Europe, and I got an appointment Monday morning to have them installed. Man, it sure is nice to own cars that when they do fail, fail at uncritical parts like seat trim plastic, rather than transmissions, head gaskets, Air Conditioning compressors, or other critical and costly components.

abacomike

As regards the "usual suspect strikes again" stuff that has been posted, I am totally in the dark about all this. I enjoy reading the posts on this board and try to contribute sanely (when I am fully sober and have not been sampling the gift bottle(s) of bourbon over the years). If I disagree with something or someone, I usually just ignore it unless I have a major position or opinion to respond - which really is pretty rare.

Maybe I need to become more cognizant of what is being said and from what perspective or point of view the statement or post stems from. But, honestly, I don't know what's going on that would cause some of our posters to become upset with "snarky" comments. First of all, who is making the snarky comment(s)? I have no idea. I am not considered by those who know me well as "dumb" or "insensitive" or "unintelligent!" But for the life of me, I am dumbfounded by this "snarky" stuff. Can, could someone(s) shed light on this subject for me? Thanks.

imidazol97

oldfarmer50 said:

If during a colonoscopy they see "light at the end of the tunnel"...they've gone too far!

This wins my belly laugh of the day!

jmonroe

abacomike said:

As regards the "usual suspect strikes again" stuff that has been posted, I am totally in the dark about all this. I enjoy reading the posts on this board and try to contribute sanely (when I am fully sober and have not been sampling the gift bottle(s) of bourbon over the years). If I disagree with something or someone, I usually just ignore it unless I have a major position or opinion to respond - which really is pretty rare.

Maybe I need to become more cognizant of what is being said and from what perspective or point of view the statement or post stems from. But, honestly, I don't know what's going on that would cause some of our posters to become upset with "snarky" comments. First of all, who is making the snarky comment(s)? I have no idea. I am not considered by those who know me well as "dumb" or "insensitive" or "unintelligent!" But for the life of me, I am dumbfounded by this "snarky" stuff. Can, could someone(s) shed light on this subject for me? Thanks.

I said the same thing yesterday.

Maybe I'm so slow that I don't know when I've been "snarked" or I might be so used to it I'm just "snarkified" to all of it by now.

jmonroe

Mr_Shiftright

oldfarmer50 said:

OK help me understand this. I'm hearing radio ads promoting a company called GetAround which is a peer to peer ride share company.

"GetAround is an online car sharing or peer-to-peer carsharing service that allows drivers to rent cars from private car owners, and owners to rent out their cars for payment.[1] Owners set their rental prices and earn a 60% commission from their rental revenue.[2]"

So some stranger gets to beat on your car like a rental while you're at work? Why would anyone want to do that?

I get Uber, it's like a taxi but this ride share service sounds like lending your car to your no good BIL to abuse.

The entire "sharing economy" just appalls me. It's touted as the "new economy" and "individual entrepreneurship" but in reality it just shows how hard up some people must be to make money. What's next after renting your car and part of your house? Your pants?

Michaell

Mr_Shiftright said:

oldfarmer50 said:

OK help me understand this. I'm hearing radio ads promoting a company called GetAround which is a peer to peer ride share company.

"GetAround is an online car sharing or peer-to-peer carsharing service that allows drivers to rent cars from private car owners, and owners to rent out their cars for payment.[1] Owners set their rental prices and earn a 60% commission from their rental revenue.[2]"

So some stranger gets to beat on your car like a rental while you're at work? Why would anyone want to do that?

I get Uber, it's like a taxi but this ride share service sounds like lending your car to your no good BIL to abuse.

The entire "sharing economy" just appalls me. It's touted as the "new economy" and "individual entrepreneurship" but in reality it just shows how hard up some people must be to make money. What's next after renting your car and part of your house? Your pants?

Maybe not that far ... I could see folks renting out their precious jewelry, however.

berri

We had neighbors a few years ago with squirrel nests in their attic (I'm talking house, not brain ) so I can understand what a mess rats would be.

berri

I can't imagine an upper GI without at least Versed or something. Wouldn't trust a doctor who did it that way since any patient physical moving with that scope down your throat could lead to unintended damage.

berri

Hope GC gets some positive resolution. If anyone has gone through stuff like that with a lemon they wouldn't be making snotty comments.

thebean

Colonoscopy & endoscopy over.  Everything was good.  Thanks for all your good wishes.  

Michaell

thebean said:

Colonoscopy & endoscopy over.  Everything was good.  Thanks for all your good wishes.  

Time to celebrate!

qbrozen

berri said:

I can't imagine an upper GI without at least Versed or something. Wouldn't trust a doctor who did it that way since any patient physical moving with that scope down your throat could lead to unintended damage.

I had to fight him a bit to do it that way. Afterwards, he and the nurse said I was more cooperative and easier than most of the drugged patients. I would think being just doped up and not out of it could pose a problem since you can't be reasoned with at that point and not in full control of yourself. But what do I know?

thebean

Michaell said:

Colonoscopy & endoscopy over.  Everything was good.  Thanks for all your good wishes.  

Time to celebrate!

Way ahead of you.  Big lunch already with plans for a shot of scotch tonight.  

fintail

LOL wow at 4-5-6, that great PNW building quality. I swear, the way places are slapped and stapled together around here boggles the mind, especially at the inflated bubbly manipulated prices in this market.

The building I live in had to be wrapped in plastic and covered with scaffolding 2 years ago, when it was 12 years old, due to the exterior surfaces being improperly applied. Cost was seven figures, action was taken against the builder to pay the work.

28firefighter said:

(4) There was no vapor barrier or membrane installed on top of or underneath the plywood, but rather the torch-down was torched straight to the plywood
(5) The torch-down material is actually cracking because it was over-torched.
(6) Roofing material has almost completely worn away at the scuppers because of the 90 degree angle - this was the source of our leak.

Basically, its a miracle we have only had one small leak in 3 years.

28firefighter

fintail said:

LOL wow at 4-5-6, that great PNW building quality. I swear, the way places are slapped and stapled together around here boggles the mind, especially at the inflated bubbly manipulated prices in this market.

The building I live in had to be wrapped in plastic and covered with scaffolding 2 years ago, when it was 12 years old, due to the exterior surfaces being improperly applied. Cost was seven figures, action was taken against the builder to pay the work.

To give you an idea, I have the receipt that shows our builder paid ~$8k to have roofs installed on three homes; now even finding someone to do it on the cheap, the lowest bid I've received to do the roofs the same way it should have been done from the start with torch-down material is $20k plus tax. To get a better product like PVC, it is going to run us about $23k plus tax

sda

28firefighter said:

fintail said:

LOL wow at 4-5-6, that great PNW building quality. I swear, the way places are slapped and stapled together around here boggles the mind, especially at the inflated bubbly manipulated prices in this market.

The building I live in had to be wrapped in plastic and covered with scaffolding 2 years ago, when it was 12 years old, due to the exterior surfaces being improperly applied. Cost was seven figures, action was taken against the builder to pay the work.

To give you an idea, I have the receipt that shows our builder paid ~$8k to have roofs installed on three homes; now even finding someone to do it on the cheap, the lowest bid I've received to do the roofs the same way it should have been done from the start with torch-down material is $20k plus tax. To get a better product like PVC, it is going to run us about $23k plus tax

Ouch!

28firefighter

Yes - though I don't pay all of that $23k - it gets split nearly evenly with my neighbors. My point was more that it was too cheap to begin with and that should have been a flag.

berri

I had to fight him a bit to do it that way. Afterwards, he and the nurse said I was more cooperative and easier than most of the drugged patients. I would think being just doped up and not out of it could pose a problem since you can't be reasoned with at that point and not in full control of yourself. But what do I know?

Personally, I think the doctor was feeding you a line to cover up how he was squeezing a little extra profit out of your procedure. When you are somewhat semi conscious under something like Versed you will tend to be a bit relaxed and limp. They can turn and maneuver you without you having any reaction to it (and can adjust the medication level if you on a slim chance do). Also, if someone is experiencing a choking sensation from that procedure, how can they be reasoned with??? Each their own, but next time you may want to find a gastroenterologist more in tune with modern medicine and not just his bottom line. I've unfortunately had to have this procedure a number of times in different geographic locations and find that most doctors use the medication method (in fact, don't even ask you if you have a preference). Bottom line though is that everything looks good and you don't have the start of Barrett's.

PS - they don't really put you out, they just put you in twilight and then bring you right out of it when the procedure is over.