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If you use the tip it decides when to change.
This transmission is supposed to "learn" my driving style. Does it have to re-learn every time I start up the car or does it know I always want to drive like a maniac?
Paid about 20% off sticker (7K miles). In those few weeks I've had minor glitches (annoyances really) but yesterday I became a very unhappy camper:
It stalled on the highway and thereafter would start but after 10-15secs would idle rough and then the engine died. I tried a few times to start it and finally gave up as I called Roadside Assistance.
Anyone heard of this problem or something similar ?
The auto mode of HACV will never kick the fan down below 4 bars. Sometimes when i am tired of listening to the fan i manually put it down. Is this normal for you?
I do not have 4 position climate control, what air comes through the back middle and back side vents? Where does the heat come to the back seats?
thanks
Porsche bench tests each and every engine.....and those that do not run smoothly or do not produce the minimum required HP are disassembled and redone from step one....
sounds like an ignition problem...bring it back to dealer....and ask for a loaner...:-(
how else can you squeeze 15 to 18 mpg from a high performance engine with gobs of horses, but gets near same mpg as a lot of big sedans and medium SUVs with V6 ? They engineered fuel efficiency into the car...when needed.... though it may not be on your mind... :-)
I think the default for the computer is your most frequent driving style, and it is stored in the computer....it does not have to learn it every time, though your current driving style will be input into the computer and taken into account.
As for the rear seating A/C, I too had to play with this for a while. Because you (as I) don't have climate control in the back seat, turn the middle vents in the front dashboard to the off position then more air will come out out the back seat vents. Yes, it's hokey for such an expensive car but that is how it is. They must not get very many hot days in Germany. :-)
I also have no rear climate....but find no problems as I just direct the front air to the back....just like in the other cars....
I hope they fix it for you....
Can you guys invite them.... ?
or are they so arrogant as to not think it worth while ?
or is it economics ....and not enough Cayenne owners yet...??
tidester, host
Anyway, my C has had a low vibration noise at between 50-55 mph. It sounds like the moon roof is open, even though it's not. Problem is worse when cold.
Having looked around at various sources of Info, I've learned that the problem relates to a defective Cardan Shaft. Apparently, a replacement part eliminates the problem entirely.
I have taken it off on some dirt roads and into some desert areas besides some snow and of course dry pavement.
when the people in the know stop you or give you a thumbs up , you will only grin ....like I always do ... :-)
These cars are great.....and I did not even appreciate it until I just read djlaw's post on the Porsche vs X5 vs Fx45 vs SRX forum.....go read it ...it was his special trip to Liepzig ...and I have the Cayenne book too...but still amazed at what it can do .... :-)
what Cayenne book were you refering to?
i like to read about the whole history and testing and stuff...... but beware, some parts are translated by some one who obviously only learned English from a book, cause the sentences in those paragraphs are pretty awkward.... :-) Most of the book ,98% , is fine reading ; and the photos are excellent.....
I wanted to do European delivery too, and get to go on the Liepzig track....but work and family commitments prevented that.... :-(
I'm thinking of going over there and getting a tour and ride....sometime next year....??
So how was the German autobahn ?? Did the police give you trouble ?
did you see any other Cayennes in Europe ?
What other tidbit can you share with us ??
Thanks....
With only 500 miles on the car I don't trust it at all! I do wish it were a better built vehicle after investing $60k in a new car.
but they are also ground breaking cars , each in its own right !
while having your new car in the shop can be frustrating, make one angry, feel depressed, yell at people,,,etc.... please concentrate on the good , positive side of each car... :-)
I sometimes feel a lot of the people on this forum are pessimist perfectionists.....and cry about this and that and those and these....not that they don't have a right to do so....;-)
Frequently they(the niggles) are mainly a nuisance, and can be rectified...
I am not saying these are Hondas or Toyotas, which have a better quality control record....
then,OTOH, my new 1994 Previa was delivered to me with NO steering fluid, and the inside rubber trim was loose, and they never fixed it.....I sold it last year with the loose trim....
Toyota also got a few other customers angry while I was in the shop.....
Seems to me that most people don't realize....really realize, that they are buying a more sophisticated machine, not a Tonka toy, and will have some fine tuning needed, especially after one drives it for a while....
If you want a car that never has any niggles in any of its serial numbered copies, then I point you to the local Toys R Us...and look under Hot Wheels or MatchBox cars... ;-)
what do you like about the car....?
is there anything that you like about it ?
for example, I like the fact that it has hill descent and hill climb control...it has fiber optic transmission of data, ....it has a dry sump lubrication system for the engine....it has...
there are so many advanced tech in the vehicle.
I test drove a BMW X3 right afterward, and it was no match against the Porsche. The ride is even more firm than the Cayenne. Interior looks cheap, especially with the plastic on the dash. Size is small. The only good things about it are the brake is very strong and the power (3.0) is wonderful. Definitely better than that Lexus but not as good as the Porsche. The handling was very good, and i felt like I was driving a taller 330i, not an SUV. Back to the ride......it's definitly the most firm of all SUV I test drove, but not as bad as what every car magazine said. I drove one without the Sports Package. You could feel every bump on the road, but I wouldn't say it's uncomfortable. The handling you get is worth the penalty.
After testing the Lexus, Volkswagen, BMW, and Porsche, I would say I'll go for the Porsche. If the Touraeg is under the Audi name, I would seriously consider getting it. But spending almost 50 grand for a Volks? No way for me. The name means "People's Car", so it shouldn't of cost 50 grands. Some might say why not the V6 on it. Once you test drove the V6, you would know how underpower it is. The Volks V8 has the best power/ride combination among all SUV I test drove in that price range, but I can't live with spending all those money on the brand name. It's amazing how Porsche improved the same V6 on it's Cayanne. And the zoom you hear during the acceleration, it's better than any music from the stereo system.
The only thing that would prevent me from pulling the trigger on the Cayenne is the quality issue. I've heard so many horror story! My question is, does anyone have any good quality experience with a Cayenne, especially with the V6 engine? I hope I can hear some good stories other than engine stalling on the highway or electrical failure. Or is that what I will get if I get the Porsche?
I have the TT, which is an even more complicated piece of machine that can go wrong....and it never has .....not once...
some other people here has bought cayenne S and TT with no major or minor problems....but then most who do not have problems would not be here to rant or find some solution....would they ?
I guess there will be more stuff to go wrong if the machine is more complicated...
they say with the millions of parts on the space shuttle, even if they achieve 99.99% perfection, there will still be 16,000 things that could go wrong..
likewise it may be true for some cayennes...though they have way less parts than the shuttle...
this is no Honda Accord in terms of problems,,,
but it is also no Honda Accord in terms of performance .... :-)
last year 2003, Porsche was rated the top overall auto maker....and one of the top three brands of cars....(Infiniti and Honda I think were the other 2).....
I think the company will stand by the car.....but the dealers and mechanics may have a learning curve....but that is just my opinion....:-)
You think these QC problems are "small"?" Try getting stranded in a Colorado real world blizzard in an untrustworthy Cayenne when you have a tight schedule to maintain. I've driven about 500,000 miles in Landcruisers around here and know that they are real, not some phony pretend to be an SUV.
My last V-8 Landcruiser got 15 to 19mpg and consumed a quart of synthetic oil in about 5,000 miles. Now with 600 miles on the Cayenne ODO I see that it has consumed about a quart of oil (Normal according to the owners manual???) so along with getting 10 MPG and having in the thing in the shop for 7 out of the 20 days I've owned it the thing drinks oil? It appears that the Cayenne is just an illusion of quality, to some fools I guess it's "The Porsche's New Clothes".
Leipzig is in East Germany, which is somewhat run-down from the communist era, but the old town center was incredibly beautiful and historic, filled with plazas ringed by outdoor pubs and restaurants, people drinking, eating, socializing.
It was a phenomenal experience driving with the family in such a high performance vehicle so perfectly suited for our needs. Exploring, stopping, eating, and sightseeing in our brand new Porsche!
The car was a rolling road show wherever we went. Crowds of people gathering around wherever it was parked. One person in Holland frantically motioned for us to slow down, while he grabbed a camera and took a picture while also driving his own car. Stares and smiles everywhere. I only saw one other C on our trip, and that was in St. Moritz.
The tour in Leipzig was fantastic. There was maybe one other group at the facility when I was there. We were literally the guests of honor and treated as such. Greeted with courtesy and smiles by a beautiful Teutonic female representative. Felt funny leaving our baggage behind the lobby desk, but we were assured it was fine. Toured the factory and administration facility, and a museum of famous Porsches. After the test tracks, we had a delicious lunch. The duck breast with red wine reduction is highly recommended. I turned down a second glass of wine, having to drive shortly after. After lunch, you are brought to a display room with a glass garage door, where your Cayenne is waiting. After a once over with the car, you open the back, pack your bags, the garage door lifts, you say good bye and thank you, and then drive out of the Leipzig facility and on to the auto bahn. I popped in a CD and laughed with my son as we drove on to Frankfurt to pick up the rest of the family.
The autobahns were great. Actually, all of the main highways that we traveled on in Europe were very fast and well maintained. We drove 100 in Germany. Most people are traveling between 80 - 100; even these tiny little econo tin cans were sometimes roaring along precariously at 80 plus. Occasionally, though, someone would come flying past us while we were at 100 mph. Got to be alert; they come up real fast!
Holland is slower, more like the U.S. Speeds there are mostly in the 60 - 80 range. On the main highways in France and Switzerland, plenty of drivers were moving at 100, so we followed suit. Once in the mountains of Switzerland, the C was fabulous on the winding roads going up to St. Moritz.
No trouble with the police anywhere. Actually, I've been pulled over twice here in California while my German plates were on the car when waiting for my California replacements. Thought I had broken the law. Instead, the CHP and LAPD only wanted to ask about the plates and how I liked the car! Much relief.
If anyone is planning on buying a Cayenne, I highly recommend the Leipzig delivery. If you can afford one of these cars, you can afford a trip to Europe. The tourist delivery cost is minimal relative to the cost of the car. Moreover, we actually saved money in that the cost of the rental car would have exceeded the tourist delivery charge. the car took 4 weeks to reach the U.S. after drop-off
in Switzerland, and then two more weeks to arrive at the dealer.
when we got the Boxster S, and my friend got the Boxster, we were talking about going for factory delivery....but somehow did not make it happen. So we both got it here .
I toyed with the idea of getting the Cayenne there at Liepzig, to see the new course, but again had to take delivery here.... due to work and kids school.
100 mph speed limit...that is way cool...with all the Alps and rural scenery...
coolllll.....!!!
All I can do is zip up this Friday to Lake Tahoe to get one last ski day in before the season ends....and I'll be thinking of your trip and imagining I'm in europe ( but I can't go past 75 mph here...
have fun in the cayenne...!!
Just added a quart in after 10,000 miles. I did do an oil change early....to clean out the sludge.
Landcruisers are more dependable compared to a new release car...I admit....but there are quality issues with those too, not to mention the old tech everything....ugh...too dated..
You have a SUV, a sports car, all wrapped in one .
do you really have Cayenne S ?? Where did you buy it ? Maybe I could help you get some service.
I could help call the Porsche line and let them know......
What features do you like about your $60,000 car ?
I meean, you spent $60,000, then maybe you like it for some reason...or do you not know the car ??
Only issue I have is with the radio !!!. sometimes it skips from CD to radio on it's own but this is not my ultimate worry. It has been my first Porsche and hopefully first of many. I have been a Mercedes guy for very long time but after the M class experience, Cay is absolutely fantastic. It does not mean that someone can not be as unlucky as drcjj..(bad karma?!). but drcjj experience is not the only truth. There are a lot of very happy campers out there.
not even the CD jumping to the radio.
guess he does have some bad luck with his....
I do like the tight suspension and steering along with the tiptronic, the rest, including the engine, will have to earn my trust. I simply don't trust this car much after the last few runs with all the problems starting at 174 miles.
I suspect (and am hoping) the engine will run-in along with the rest of it and things will settle in. I already notice an improvement in the engine and suspension at 600 miles. I keep a log book of every service event and tank of gas in my cars so we'll see. I don't feel perfectionist ic about any of this, I just have higher expectations of quality than this particular car has delivered. I don't like a car to take my time against my will.
I haven't the attitude to give it back to the shop for a 3rd time in 3 weeks to get the cardon shaft replaced. My schedule is busy and I have lost too many hours being distracted by car issues.
The 55mph vibration is tolerable, but another irritation. I just hope it holds together for the trip or I'll be looking to trade it on a Subaru WRX or some other more reliable car. Maybe even back into the Landcruisers which are not sporty but fantastically dependable and always "get me there" in my personal experience with 5 of them! They seem quite attractive again after this Cayenne.
I like the :
1- the handling
2- the fiberoptic data transmission
3- dry sump lubrication
4- super strong steel cage
5- crumple zones and air bag curtains
6- sports car like performance
7- aggressive hi-tech looks
8- utility
9- ski bag
10- removable roof racks
11- etc...
but if it is not feasible, you could order one, or even check and make sure you get a later built model...
The company will back up their cars...and will fix what may need tweaking.... :-)
This is no ordinary vehicle, IMHO .... :-)
OTOH, if you want a performance SUV, a top end car, a car that was one of the runner ups in edmunds "car of the year " award, a car that does what no other car can do singlehandedly, a car that has NO peer on the roads, then this is your car......
It is interesting that the "CAR" magazine did a test for the Car of the Year in the last months issue, and they were comparing Ferraris', Lambo, Porsche 911, 10 top end cars of the whole world, they included the Cayenne....the only < ONLY > , SUv to be placed next to the highend cars for a shoot out...
I am glad I got 1 car that can do the chores of 2 vehicles, and it is not just a SUV, but a performance SUV.....period.... !
This drcjj is a troll.
Pretends intelligence and does stupid things, not real.
We have visitors here with a wide spectrum of knowledgeability and social skills and we should take that into account when interacting via message boards.
tidester, host
must have been a blast.......
plus some people passing and watching your car as they pass....!!
drcjj......LOL.....I think he just did not know what he was getting into... a little like caygirl.....they are just truly frustrated ....and thought at $60K there would be ballooons falling from the ceiling, champagne flowing, angels from heaven serenading all...
It is a really complex car with features that none of the magazine articles nor edmunds have touched on. ( NO disrespect to Edmunds)...
Unfortunately, people have little patience and demand perfection at anything above $100 ;-)
But such a complex car would need some fine tuning.....German engineers notwithstanding.
if air suspension is a luxury you can afford or want, then go for it. I rode in the Cayenne with springs, and it definitely is firm, but not harsh,not jarring, made me feel like I was in any sports car/sports sedan.
The designer Harm Lagaay said "it corners like a true Porsche" ...one of the design goals....
If you will be near Liepzig, I recommend you go visit the factory....and get a free test ride. like djolaw.....
anyways....hope you have a great trip in July...I have always wanted to visit Germany. I took 4 years of German as my foreign language requirement....