Porsche Cayenne

highender

welcome to the club....and hope your experience will prove to be immensely satisfying and fun.

same to all cay owners.... :-)

carnut36

You won't having any regrets (other than not getting the TT). My S is 2 months old and I enjoy it more and more everyday.

ukulele2

A local dealer quoted me a price of $51,000 for a Cayenne V6. They are pretty firm on that. The MSRP for that is $53,750, and the vehicle won't be here until the end of April. Is this a good price? I've been reading that I should be able to get it $2000 above invoice, which is about $49,000. Can I do better?

highender

but you would have to wait til the other buyers thin out a little. The new V6 model will attract a lot of buyers, so the price may be a little on the higher side....

good luck on the purchase...

jmoney

If you do a little more research, and it sounds like you've done quite a bit already, you may find a better bang for the buck deal with a Cay S. I just picked up mine tonight. It was a demo with 5k miles on it. MSRP 67k, picked it up for 59K two days after cutting the deal. Also found no fewer than 4 Cay S demos in my area with prices ranging from 51 - 56k.

I would definately go this route. Look at it this way; your other posts expressed quality concearns. This is my third Porsche and my second demo. If any glitches would have occured during the first few thousand miles, they would have come up and addressed by now, or not come up at all. My demo boxster that I bough in 02 has far fewer if any glitches than my brand new off the boat '99 model.

good luck and enjoy the thrill of the chase, it's almost as fun as driving the cars themselves

ukulele2

Thanks for the advise. I think the $2000 above invoice really applies to ones that has been sitting in the lot for months. Your previous post mentioned that you were able to get $4500 off from a brand new Cayenne S, and that's what I am going to shoot for. I know a demo S is a great value, but my budget really wouldn't allow me to go much more than 50k.

Wish me luck in making my counter offer!

highender

with jmoney also...

good luck....and be willing to walk away...

they will call you back...just sweet talk to the manager a little... :-)

the engine should last a lifetime, if Porsche's track record is any indication...

jmoney

Good luck and as highender said, be prepared to walk away. Another little tidbit that I have found from experience. I have had better luck negotiating deals with Porsche Only dealerships as opposed to dealerships that sell multiple makes. I know these are sometimes hard to come by, but these dealerships tend to get more perks and bennies from porsche, as well as lower volume of overall sales. I believe that rather than maximizing profit on a given sale, if you wait till the last week of a given month, they'll cut a deal to simply move the car more so than a dealership that has less expensive makes with smaller mark ups.

good luck and have fun

ukulele2

Jmoney and Highender, thanks to both of you. I gave both dealerships my offer. It is still 2k less than what they're asking. I will keep waiting until one of them give me a reply. The car won't be in this country until the end of April anyway.

dubster

Took delivery of my new s today. Very excited, it looks great with the black interior and dark wood package. I`m a little concerned that it has close to 200 hundred miles on it and is considered new. The salesman delivered the car to my office and didn`t alert me about it. Is this acceptable? What should I do? The car was transfered from another dealer but I was told it was flatbedded.

highender

awright! I think your black interior is better. I got the beige..and it gets a little dirty easier.....but we still love the car.... :-)

the 200 miles seems alittle toomuch. If I were you, I would complain to manager , see if they could throw in at least a small bottle of touch-up paint. 200 miles is not a lot if it was used as a demo. But in the big picture, it is very little. If Porsche history is any indication, your car will still be running 10, 15 , 20 years form now....at even 200,000 miles plus....

congrats on your awesome batmobile..... !! Join the club...

dubster

I really am psyched. I`m really happy I got the air suspension. I can`t wait to take it otoh . The trips to vermont are 4 hours plus. long stretches at pretty high speed, it should really make those trips alot easier and fun, especially at the end of a long week and at night, when I`m tired. It should be a snap now. Even around town , I can feel the way it tracks like it`s on rails.

I`m really annoyed at the dealer about that mileage. I`m ultra sensitive about any noise now, which I`m sure I`ll hear especially while it`s breaking in. I`m not sure what O`m going to do about this yet.

jmoney

The car was considered new even though it had 200 miles on it probably because the title had not been issued until you purchased it. My Cay was a demo with 5k miles on it and was considered new. Of course I was compisated with a very nice discount for those miles. As far as warrying about it, I wouldn't. I've bought Porsche demos before and had no problems. But I definately would let the dealer think that your pissed off. Definately try to work something out. As highender eluded to, it'll probably be easier to get them to give up some services or merchandise rather than cash. Either way, your in great shape. You could be driving an explorer, blazer......

pdias

Hai
How can reset the self level supension on cayenne when the faulty showing in the instrument cluster, is it possible to do with going in the agency

ashleyandersin

I have been researching pricing on the V6 Cayenne and it seems to fall generally around 2K off MSRP for the V6 and 5K for the S. Those numbers are just from general inquiries w/o negotaition from internet salesmen and I live in an area heavily populated with Porsche dealers. I am current negotiating a deal on a V6 so you can e-mail me at aol for my leasing spreadsheet if you are leasing and I have had some valuable info given to me on the V6 on the leasing boards so check that out if you are interested in leasing. Let me know how your deal is doing!

highender

I think you need to go in due to the electrical/computer controlled programming...

should be a simple issue, if no hardware problems....

what do you think , mudman ??

mudman2

Try this.

put the key in the ignition, turn on BUT DO NOT CRANK THE ENGINE. Leave for more than 30 seconds.

Turn off and remove the key, exit the car and lock.

That should work.

highender

this guy is the key master....he has the tech manuals to the cayenne.... !!

:-)

jmoney

It's been for days since I got my cay s and feeling better about the decision every day. With the exception of a transmition when in auto mode to lag a little, especially soon after you first start the car (I use the triptronic to avoid this and that works like a charm), I have had 0 complaints and a whole lot of praises.

The nav system is incredible!!! Based on the negatiives written by our friends in the automobile publications, I was expecting a disaster, but I find it simpe, concise and completely effective. Handles great, can't wait to try it in snow next winter. Gas milage through town has been in the high teens, also a surprise. Taking it on first real road trip this week. Radio is definately an upgrade from previous Porsche efforts.

Amazingly enough, most people I come across say it is the first one they have ever seen. Needless to say, their blown away.

Please post any comments regarding the tranny or any other observations you may have. thanks

autocrazy

Let me start by saying "Thank You" to everyone who took the time to post messages with their thoughts, suggestions, and experiences. This is the "power of the internet" at its best.

I'm looking to buy a base V6 Cayenne (can't afford the V8 - am looking at a V6 with just a moonroof) and have a few questions. Any and all feedback is appreciated:
1) Has anyone actually purchased a base V6 Cay less than MSRP? If so, how much less? Can you please share the exact numbers? There are a lot of posts referring to $2000 over invoice -- but I can't seem to get my local dealers to go for this.
2) Has anyone purchased thru websites such as "CarsDirect"? Experience - good/bad, would you do it again?
3) While I'm heavily leaning towards the Cayenne, the logical half of me wants to take a closer look at the BMW X3 (3.0). With the sport, premium, auto, and moonroof options, the X3 MSRP comes out to $43,070 as compared to the V6 Cay at $44765. And I know I can get the X3 at least 1-2k cheaper than MSRP. My wife currently drives the X5 and we absolutely love it. Anyone with thoughts comparing the V6 Cay with the X3 3.0?

Again, thank you everyone...

autocrazy

One more question: Does the cost of the V6 Cayenne actually drop if one chooses Euro Delivery. And if yes, by how much?

Thanks...

carnut36

Porsche actually charges you more for Euro delivery. Although if you go back to a couple of weeks ago on this board, it seems to be worth it because you get a tour and some track time with a professional driver.

roadtwister

I had been looking at the cayenne S for some time, but got serious in the last 3 weeks. I went to several dealers, e-mailed some dealers, and called some others. I had the full gamut of experiences. It so happened I was in a dealership on the last day of the of the month and quarter at just about closing time, 8:30 pm. I asked the price of an S from the specified internet salesperson. He showed me the invoice on the vehicle and then offered his selling price. I said okay, he went to type up the contract but found out the car was already sold. I picked out another car the same thing happened. I picked myself up to leave when my wife looked through the vehicle available list one last time. She found an S that listed for 67,275 MSRP. It had 5.9 miles on it. The salesperson said he would let it go for 62,000. My wife said it had $3,000 in options that we didn't want. What was his rock bottom take it away tonight offer? He came back at a flat 60,000. We took it right away. Furthermore, we traded in an '01 530I BMW that the dealer allowed us $1,300 more than any other dealership had offered. In the end the S was about 10.81% off of list of a brand new never been driven S because the dealership wanted to meet it's end of the quarter numbers. Hope this helps others.

jmoney

and I thought I got a great deal getting $8.5k off a demo!!! Great plan of attack and beautifully executed. I also hose the endo of month strategy, although didn't take it to the limit like you did. This approach is a proven strategy when negotiating a car. Salespeaople and managers alike are simply at your mercy because the mindset of 'we'll sell that before the end of the month is thrown out the window.

autocrazy - I've been told by my salesperson at Princeton Porsche that they've been averaging $1500-$2000 off of MSRP with the 6 cylinder cays, so the deals are out there, just got to find them and definately wait till the end of the month.

good luck

jaramabeige

MSRP on my Cayenne was $72,940, inclusive of $765 shipping/destination charge. Price paid was $65,323, not including sales tax, DMV registration, and a $45 paperwork fee. Therefore, my total bottom line was $71,234. Afterward, I paid extra $$ for floormats from the parts dept.

jaramabeige

I agree with your pricing strategy. When a person simply wants the absolute best price on a Cayenne, dealer demos are the answer. I remember Rector Porsche in San Mateo County, California offering demos at invoice price. Actually, they sold one a couple bucks below invoice! While these demos could have 5,000 miles already, they have the biggest price discounts. You paid very, very close to invoice on your Cayenne, right?

jaramabeige

Which dealer did you purchase from? Where?

autocrazy

RoadTwister, JMoney, and jaramabeige, for all the details...I will wait till month-end.

stever

Dealer names are ok, but no names of individuals please (helps discourage the shill posts). Thanks!

Steve, Host

jmoney

If i'm not mistaken, I paid exactly invoice give or take $200. Second Porsche I've bought as a demo and paid at or very bear invoice.

Owned a brand new off the boat boxster and had at least 8 different probles or glitches that led to 6 service visits in 10 months. Traded in for a demo 2 years later, no problems at all.

I guess jaramabeige and I sum it up for anyone looking on a great deal on any car, especially a Cay - wait till the very end of the month and don't rule out demos. Also, letting the dealership believe that you are settling on things such as color and options works well, especially when combined with the end of month strategy

jmoney

By the way, I bought my cay s at princeton porsche of princeton NJ.

Very good knowledgable sales people, willing to negotiate .

cw_rock

I am trying to estimate what the monthly lease payments would be on a new Cayenne S.

When you lease a Cayenne, do you base the payment calculations on the actual price of the car with or without tax. I am confused because lease payments add tax.

For example, if the price of the Cayenne is $60,000.........do I calculate the lease payment on that price? Or do I add tax, which would bring the price to approx. $65,000?

ukulele2

Dealer just lowered his offering for $500 to $50500 on a V6. The MSRP on that is around $53500. The problem is that vehicle doesn't have the cd changer, so I'll have to spend another $1000 or so for it. Should I take their price or should I wait and negotiate? I'm shooting for $50000 with the cd changer installed. Anyone think that I can make it? Thanks for any advise.

peteropny

Your experience is pretty close to mine - although seemed like you did a little bit better trading in your 01 530i for an S than I did trading in my 00 528i for an S also.

roadtwister

The dealer I bought my "S" from was Tischer Porsche in Silver Spring Maryland.

roadtwister

The dealer I bought my "S" from was Tischer Porsche in Silver Spring Maryland. UKULELE if you stick to the end of the month strategy you will get YOUR price.

tidester

Everything you ever wanted to know (almost!) about lease payments: Calculate Your Own Lease Payment

tidester, host

llspepper2

I personally would not purchase a dealer demo if you've seen how harsh a treatment they go through. My dealer thrashed the cayanne S just to show me how impressive it was over parking lot bumps etc. For a discount just to invoice is not enough motivation for me. Just my opinion. Good luck.

highender

but I doubt the cayenne would suffer greatly from people mashing on the gas, making a few on road sharp turns, then mash onthe brakes...

ok, the brake pads will go out a little early..

but the Cayenne was tested doing all these things at full throttle , over all kinds of weather, all kinds of terrain, all kinds of drivers, all kinds of situations...and is engineered to last all this. It is no paper tiger, ala some SUVs....IMO

I think most people will not know the difference between a demo and a new one after 10,000 miles.

In those old days American cars, YES, you may see a difference...

there are completely new cayennes brought into shop due to diff niggles/gremlins, and demos that run better than new.....

its the luck of the draw... :-). IMO.

llspepper2

Highender..you're certainly correct that the cay has been battle tested and is a exceptional durable vehicle. If we compared a new vehicle to a 5000 mile rental car type driving demo cay, I would say odds are that there would possibly be more issues in the future than a new vehicle. For those that value the savings of 7k or so and depend on luck, the decision is theirs. I'm not so certainly you would appreciate 5000k abused miles on your TT cay in exchange for 8k or so. Just my opinion of course. Take care!

jmoney

Had my cay s for a week and 700 niles later. As many of you know, I bought it as a demo with 5k miles on it. So far, not to jinx it, so great. Driving like a dream. Highender is correct when reffering to the luck of the draw. I think the money you save and the gremlins and kinks, if any, working themselves are outweigh the possibility of your car having been ravaged by over excited test drivers.

The warrenty is the same as far as the ywars are concearned and I drive each of my cars about 7.5 k miles a year, so the 5k miles on my cay won't play a factor.

And finally, there is my personal experience with demos, Porsches in particular. Once again, not to jinx either of my demo Porsches, so far so great

highender

agree to a point . I'm sure if I had to dish out big bucks for a ruined turbo or brake job I would be lamenting my demo , instead of praising the low price. However, I think the test drivers beat the crap out of all the concept vehicles, both on road and offroad, just to make sure that they would find the weak points and re-engineer it before production.

  what got me was the fact that they pushed it to the max....50 deg below zero and they had to start up on the first try...that was the goal. Go off road in (not just wimpy mud) but SAND, which grinds the axles and gears etc....go 70 mph slalom and multiple emergency stops....many severe usage of the vehicle... That was my point....that this was no wimpy car made to look like a SUV/sports car; this is no X5, or Pontiac or any other car that would suffer if used any more aggressively than a daily trip to the mall. This is one serious machine.

  So while lots of people test drive the demo vehicle, I doubt any one would be capable of pushing the limits that the Cayenne was designed for (or at least the salesman would not let him/her to do it) :-)

IMHO, also......take care and enjoy your excellent car... !

ashleyandersin

I made an offer on a V6 but the dealer came back with a price that was way too high and tried to inflate the money factor and lower the residual. I guess that's normal but am considering another dealer. My salesguy then offered that some S's will be coming in - considered new, driven by Porsche reps. I am assuming this translates into Demos - correct me if I am wrong?

I too have reservations about buying a Demo because I was taught that to properly break in a car you don't drive at high speeds for the first 10K and you vary the speeds and brake easily as well. My salesman encouraged me to dog the demo V6 I drove and I did, I certainly wouldn't want to buy that car.

And to the guy who got the car with 200 hundred miles on it - I hope that you bought a demo because if I paid for a new car and it was delivered with 200 miles on it, I would refuse delivery. No Way!

jaramabeige

Headlight condensation moisture problem: how does one remove the headlight assembly? Is this easy or difficult? Is a special tool needed? Are your headlights fine now? Has the problem been eliminated altogether, or must the headlights be removed regularly? Lastly, how can a non-mechanic obtain copies of the Porsche service bulletins? Thanks.

autocrazy

Check out the new Landrover Discovery 3 -- launched this week at the NY Auto Show. The photos and initial message board comments are just incredible...While this is a completely different car to the Cayenne, my decision process just got all messed up:

http://thelandroverchronicle.com/new_page_431.htm

http://lrchroniclepub.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=land22&- num=1080698216&action=display&start=45

AutoCrazy (& confused as hell)

carnut36

I'm basaltnpepper but the townhall wouldn't let me use the new name because I have an old account under carnut36.

1. The headlights are fairly easy to remove. The instructions are in your manual. Look for instructions on changing the headlight bulbs. The tool you need is located under the trunk floor/cover next to the subwoofer.

2. Under your hood next to the headlights are 2 inch plastic covers that need to be popped out. You need to insert the tool and the socket fits onto a mechanism which needs to be turned to release the headlight.

3. Pull out the entire assembly. On the back of the assembly is a large plastic cover for the main lights. That cover holds a bag of silica dessicant. I removed the bags and placed them in the oven at 200 degrees for an hour to dry them out.

4. While waiting for the bags to dry out I kept the assembly covers off and directed a fan on the headlights to dry them out faster. Once everything's dried out, just put everything back into place.

5. HERE'S THE HARD PART. When you put the headlights back on, turn the tool until you hear an audible clunk. If you don't, the headlight can slide out.

dubster

Thanx for all your help along the way to purchase this vehicle. I`ve put about 500 miles on - limited by work and family - otherwise would have been 5000. This car is amazing it`s almost a secret out there --love to keep it that way- some of my observations-- the air suspension is worth the money-- if only for the fact that you can fill your tires without going in to the gas station (although you will be a frequent visitor)-the build quality is amazing (very tight - vault like- safe feeling)-- the ride is so stable- again safe, confidence inspiring--this car was built from the ground up using the most evolved technologies from one of the most evolved manufacturers-it`s like a swiss army knife of a vehicle--if I had to travel from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego-I couldn`t imagine a car I`d opt for- I think the car is a bargain--I compared it to the taureg, range rover, landcruiser, audi a8l, mb s 4matic, acura mdx, infinity fx45 --you name it, relative to each, I found it good value and versatile enough to compare favorably to each at its own game--I think it`s an amazing vehicle--Thanx and happy holidays

highender

Hi dubster: I think our example is great....if I had to go from Alaska to Tierra del fuego, I'd choose the same car.... :-)

Its one of the few cars on the market that has actually been tested in sub freezing temps, sand, rocks,rivers, test tracks, autobahns, etc...

glad you liked the air suspension.

don't sweat the small stuff....there will be some minor recalls and inconveniences, but look at the porduct !!!! :-)

baileybonds

Hi everyone - I am a long time forum surfer, and first time poster. After reading all of the messages in this thread, and doing all of my regular research on the FX45, Cayenne S, and the new X5 4.4i, I have decided to purchase a Cayenne S. I was heavily debating getting the FX45 instead, but ultimately, I decided that having some more utility and donning the Porsche badge was worth the MUCH extra dough. The VW TReg was instantly a non-choice for me since, well it's a VW -- a badge which won't pass muster in the business I'm in (shallow I know, but whaddya gonna do?) Also, I was heavily debating whether I should at least wait to see what the Audi Pikes' Peak A7 looks like in person, but I need a new car by summer and I cant wait until Dec./Jan or possibly beyond (although the concept pix look great!)...

A couple of questions for you all about the S:

1) I originally was thinking of getting the 19" wheels, but have since decided that it would be stupid not to get the 18" All Season wheels, since I go up to the snow often. How much of a difference does this make in performance either way? (i.e. can the 19" tires perform OK in the snow and/or do the 18" all seasons give up too much performance?)
2) I would love to hear from anyone that has Front/Rear Park Assist and either LOVES or HATES it and why? $1000 is a lot to spend on this option IMO...
3) Do Floor mats come with the car, or are they extra? (stupid question I know, but I've never bought a Porsche before)
4) Has anyone gotten a deal BETTER than $1500 over invoice for a brand new S? If so, I'd love to hear from you.

Thanks for the thoughts and keep up the good work!!

roadtwister

got $1381.00 over invoice on last day of month and quarter on a S model.