Porsche Cayenne

mudman2

Trip was good, nice to see the sun again.

Did not take the Cayenne, instead did the convertible thing with a friends ride ! for a few days. Wonderfull picking the bugs from the teeth and going deaf from the motor 3 inches from your ear.

I agree with your sentiment, the C may be to much for the casual buyer.

I am still waiting for my tech description manual (out of stock ). Can't wait to continue the education process.

highender

LOL

great....its good to have someone so knowlegeable with the tech specs here....

I have the Porsche Cayenne book, but it is a lot of history and development of Cayenne, not much tech spec.....

carnut36

I just got my copy of the Cayenne book today. It's like an expanded version of the sales brochure. Lots of cool pictures, I especially liked the one with the car in like 18 inches of water. Now I want to see that IMAX movie with the Cayenne in it. I wonder if it's out on video, anyone see it yet?

highender

congrats....

I like the book.....it gives a little history, but is not technical.

I do like the expanded explanations of the engine...and its parts and reason and capabilities.

I love the pictures and the fact that it was tested on so many continents and all types of terrain.... :-)

have not seen the IMAX movie "Speed", which includes all sorts of speeding objects, including Marion Jones, Olympic runner, and the Cayenne...... I'll try to see what I can dig up......

mudman2

I am not talking about that book, which I also have. There is another which contains a detailed discussion of every system

I think it was written as an introduction for service techs.

highender

I know....you said the tech manual

which will provide more practical stuff for all of us....

we have the overview and history book of Cayenne.

:-)

djolaw1

You have to pick up the car in Leipzig if you are going to Europe this summer. It is not that long to wait. It will be worth the wait. You can't imagine what it is like to be shown your very own Cayenne in a display garage at the factory, after doing the tours, tracks, and lunch, and then seeing the door raise and driving out. See my earlier posts. It is an aboslutely phenomenal, memorable, once in a lifetime experience. You'll be hooting and laughing ten minutes later while roaring down the autobahn.

If you're going to Europe this summer and are also planning to buy a C, it is a no brainer, but only requires a little patience that will be well rewarded. Act now because it takes about 4 months lead time. I got my Cayenne in a little less, but there were many doubts and headaches for my salesperson here in LA.

highender

plus the memories will last a life time....

and that is NOT buyable with money.....

next time I will do the factory purchase.....

ashleyandersin

I am interested in purchasing a V6 Cayenne. I have been looking over the boards and it seems most people have an S or a Turbo (both out of my price range). If anyone has any idea about the purchase price of a V6 and what price to expect in negotiations, or what they have personally paid; I would appreciate any feedback. I am located in Los Angeles. Also, any feedback at all on the V6 would be great as well!

carnut36

Just some things to consider before you purchase the V6:
1. Have you driven it yet? If so, do you think the power is adequate? I drove it, and thought the power was inadequate for the weight of the vehicle.
2. Consider the ride comfort, drive it over RR tracks, bumpy roads, the 5 or 101 Fwys where there's a lot of construction. I've read posts here where buyers are unhappy with the ride comfort. This is a sporty SUV, NOT a Lexus with more hp.
3. Consider a used Cay S, you'll probably get a good price if you compare a V6 fully optioned to a used lightly optioned V8.
4. Test drive the VW Toureg V8, the price would be pretty close the Porsche Cay V6. By the way, the Cayenne V6 is a VW engine from what I've read, I'm not sure if Porsche did some special tweaking to make it perform better.

highender

especially do the test ride....

then do the test ride...again...this is a sporty sports car SUV, not a landcruiser with more horsepower...

Yes, the VW V6 engine was tweaked by Porsche to produce a few more hp for the cayenne.

it is a reliable engine.

Porsche may have a better resale value......

good luck...

ashleyandersin

Thanks so much for your advice and I have thought about your suggestions but I still the Cayenne wins out with me .

I test drove the Cayenne on one of the Canyons here in Los Angeles immediately after test driving the BMW X3 3.0, I found it much better. I thought it had plenty of power for me esp. after test driving the X3 2.5 (now theres an underpowered car). I am a your typical female driver - knowing very little about engines, it felt great to me. I liked the way it tracked on the canyons, it felt secure around the curves.
The Cayenne S is not an option for me, even used. I am looking at a base V6 so the prices still aren't even in the ballpark and frankly I prefer not to buy used esp. in the Southern California market. The Toureg is not an option for me. I have read the Porsche engine is much different from a VW. It doesn't make sense to shell out almost the same amount of money for a loaded VW as a base Porsche with essentially similar options. I have a VW now and I am not interested in another one. The Cayenne will be better to resale/residual although I am looking to a lease.

Porsche has a pretty high margin between the MSRP and the invoice price and I am just having a hard time figuring out what would be a fair price to offer.

highender

 if I were you, I would not go from MSRP......that was for 1997 to 2001

or when it just came out....

now one should go from invoice and up....

I would venture to suggest $1000 over invoice....and use that as a start point....

just my opinion.....

what do the others think ??

dubster

I`m having no luck finding a list of invoice prices for cayenne s options. Does anyone have a link? Or even a percentage of markup would do if it`s relatively consistent across the board. I know the base price invoice and suggested manufacturer`s retail, but not sure it`s the same % as options.

I`m zeroing in on the vehicle and about ready to negotiate. Thanx for any help.

I appreciated all the advice regarding Leipzig. It sounds like an amazing excursion, but I`m w/o a suv and am so excited about getting my hands on one I can taste it. I`ll have to wait for the next go round for that trip, but I go to Germany every year so the temptation will be strong.

Getting the silver with black interior-air suspension-moonroof-heated front and rear- wood steering wheel and trim-turbo wheels-all season-zenon-6 cd-trailer hitch-spare-and the mighty little color wheel crest emblem. Wish me luck

tidester

I presume you've already tried our TMV new car prices, used car pricing, used car values at Edmunds. Unfortunately, invoice prices aren't available for the Cayenne.

tidester, host

dubster

Frankly it`s a little frustrating. There must be some source for this info. Or even a ballpark markup percentage. Anytime I try to follow invoice links I`m led on a wild goose chase that leads me to a dealer 3 hours away and back to square one.

I`m not surprised that Edmunds can`t furnish the info, given the secrecy of Porsche and relationships Edmunds must maintain, but maybe someone out there can lend a hand?

Or am I missing something obvious?

stever

"Why do you sometimes display “N/A” for the invoice price for a new vehicle?"

Invoice Pricing

Hopefully we'll get it soon; you can use the contact us form at that link and someone will respond (maybe even with a firm date!).

Steve, Host

dubster

Thanx for your indulgence on this Steve, I understand your, edmund`s, explanation. Maybe I should ask a porsche dealer directly? But I thought I`d try the old fashion way-the vastness of cyberspace--no luck

stever

It doesn't cost anything to ask!

(and send us an email if you find out)

Steve, Host

ashleyandersin

Cars Direct list the invoice for the base vehicle. To find the invoice for any option select it and compare the new invoice to the base invoice. The change in the invoice price should be the invoice price for the option. I tried this with a couple of options and while the moonroof is marked up around 50% the PCM with Navigation is marked up only 29% so it looks as if there is not formulaic percentage way to calculate this one.

stever

NADA has invoice pricing up so we shouldn't be too far behind (link).

Steve, Host

dubster

thanx steve--much appreciated
check it out ashley

dubster

Can anyone confirm facelift for 2005
apparently headlights to resemble vw bug?
I`m not happy Thought they`d be more interested in taking the bugs out

dubster

where is message #749 of 749? I see 748 of 749

tidester

Apparently somebody had a change of heart after composing it.

tidester, host

jaramabeige

Highender asks what do you like about your Cayenne?

While the Cayenne is the fastest, most powerful SUV (quiet engine until provoked) I have ever driven, the car’s interior was my final selling point. The cockpit is simple yet elegant; the PCM center display looks tight and organized. Unlike buttons/knobs/switches on the Rover, the M Class and the X5, buttons on the Cayenne are not spread all over the place. The Tiptronic is sophisticated yet easy to use. And the Entry-and-Drive feature is futuristic yet immediately practical.

Incidentally, I paid 3% over invoice at Negherbon in Oakland, California (good folks) in August 2003. This was equivalent to $7,600 below MSRP. No air suspension (mine is an S, not a turbo), but the car does have NAVI, parking sensors, bi-xenon, Full-Smooth-Leather cabin (luxurious three-tone trim including wood package) and 19-inch wheels. After 4,000 miles, I am experiencing actual mileage of 13 to 14 mpg with no significant difference between city and highway driving (surprise). The car’s computer has never been accurate regarding mileage; it has always exaggerated the mpg.

Unfortunately, the Cayenne does have a rough ride. This is not a Lincoln Town Car after all. The rear air-conditioning vents have no power; where’s the air flow? Also, the glass trunk lid requires a slam before it closes. There are occasional squeaks from the brakes but no oil consumption problems.
 
To all chat room writers: I appreciate your postings and read them with benefit. To all chat room viewers: I encourage you to participate and post your thoughts and feedback. The discussion is better with shared comments, positive or negative, from all Cayenne owners.

jfk663

Does anyone have the answer for Brake Dust? I have had my Cayenne S for 3 months now and since day 1 there has been excessive amounts of brake dust. I have had the dealer replace the pad once already, but yet they have no answer for the dust. Are there any Ceramic Pads available? or something to at least control the problem. I know this may sound like I am being a little picking, buy hey, I like to keep my Porsche clean.

jaramabeige

FYI, Consumer Guide price magazine ($10 at most bookstores, published several times a year) shows invoice and MSRP for the Cayenne. When I purchased, my dealer showed me the actual invoice and the numbers were consistent with this magazine. If you deduct 12.8% from base Cayenne MSRP, you will be at the invoice. For options, deducting 14.9% or 15% from MSRP will result in invoice price. Hope this helps.

highender

I had the same niggle.....brake dust and squealing....so brought it in and they changed the pads to some new ones.. ... squealing stopped and dust was less. BTW, my suburban with 6 piston racing brakes also has a lot of brake dust....just remnants of the energy expended to stop such a fast and heavy car.

Ceramic pads and special rotors may be availble in future. I'm even trying to get them to make brake dust shields.....so they will reflect off all the dust. I had them on the JAguar XJ12 and they worked perfectly.

highender

congrats....!!

I got mine there too.

I love all the stuff you mentioned...

the other stuff did not really bother me....

I do slam the glass hatch and the trunk....

I got the beige carpet dirty also...

still love the car....

I'll wave when I pass you....

carnut36

I've learn to live with brake dust in my cars. I figure it's the price to pay for short stopping distances. I also looked into getting brake dust shields, but from the looks of it, the cover is like a big frisbee installed in the inner part of wheel which covers my rotor and caliper. Frankly, I like the looks of my rotors and calipers even though my wheels get dirty.

Last weekend I Zaino'd my truck and wheels, only time will tell if the wheels will be easier to keep clean.

jfk663

Any one have any experience with adding an after market chip set to add more horsepower to the Cayenne S. Does it void the warranty? Is it worth it? Can the dealer even detect it?

highender

powerchip company....and they quoted a price of $2400 for each chip. They say it is not detectable, but it will void warranty. They are argueing , together with all other after market makers, to make additions to vehicles still covered by warranty.

I have not purchased the power chip, even though they offered me a $100 rebate.....

you have to remove the chip and fed-ex it to them, and they will do all the install and get it back to you in 1 day.....or so they say...

philly

Just picked up my V6. Test drove everything and decided power was fine and liked the stiff ride. Much more fun to drive than the X5 or FX. Hopefully no mechanical problems...so far so good

nyccarguy

the brake dust shields (kleenwheels) do well at keeping your wheels clean, but have neghative effects on your brake components. They do not allow the brakes to vent or cool off properly. The excess heat produced will warp the rotors and waer the pads down prematurely.

Many European cars (esp German) produce lots of brake dust. This is due to the fact they use brake pads with different (stronger) materials to increase the stopping power of their vehicles.

A great way to help keep brake dust away is to wax your wheels. The brake dust will stick to the wax (which you should be able to clean off easier) and not to the wheel's clearcoat finish.

carnut36

Congrats on your new C, as you drive the truck more and more you will begin to appreciate how fantastic this thing handles. When I test drove the V6, the salesman told me to take a sharp turn on a freeway on-ramp at 40 mph, the truck tracked like it was on rails, no hint of leaning, just confidence, which was more than I had because I never drove a truck like that!

I assume you're from Philly, I spent 4 years in Center City, Hahnemann University.

ashleyandersin

If anyone has purchased a V6 Cayenne could you please post or e-mail me at aol (same name) with the price you paid. I am pretty sure that I am going to buy a Cayenne tomorrow but dread the negotiation. Thus far, it seems like all the delaers in my area are offering about 2K off the price.

highender

agree totally with carnut...just shoot for maximum of $2000 over invoice....

and just walk if they give you the "oh, I checked with my boss and he said $3000 over invoice is the max I can do" . Leave your card and number, and say " well, I'm going to buy one, but it has to be at this price,...do you want the deal ? If so , give me a call ! " and walk....

If you sit down, they think they have you for sure.....

carnut36

Apparently I broke a rule and my post was removed, "Thou shalt not seek nor direct others to other websites". So here's my edited post:

There's a survey somewhere in cyberspace of how much people paid for their Cayenne. The survey is only for V8s and TTs and it seems that about 40% of buyers paid $5000 or more off MSRP.

Here's some tips:

1. I would start from invoice price rather than go down from MSRP if I were you.

2. Be ready to walk away if they don't give you what you want. Hey, it's just a car. Remember that YOU have the power, because YOU have the money, and they have the inventory that they have to move.

3. The salesman are having a hard time selling other Porsches now because the 911 and Boxsters are changing body styles soon; that means they're a bit more willing to make a deal, any deal.

4. I've read that some have paid anywhere from $1500-$2000 over invoice for the V8s and TT, so that may be a good place to start negotiating.

5. Check out Porsche's website, you can get the inventory of all the dealerships including the options in each one. If they have a high inventory, it may mean they're having trouble selling them or that they just got a new shipment.

6. Try negotiating via the internet, I think all the dealers have an internet sales dept. I started out that way to get an idea how much they were willing to negotiate.

Good luck.

ukulele2

Being talking to a local dealer for a pretty fully loaded Cayenne V6. He would only give $3000 off MSRP. I wanted $2000 over invoice. Have anyone gotten any success in getting one near invoice? It seems like Porsche dealers are very stingy in giving big discounts. Also he just told me that Porsche doesn't do invoice. The dealer treated me with a lot of disrespect when I tried to make a fair deal. He said the vehicle that I want won't be here until the end of April and he would only discount it if it sits on the lot for months. I didn't like his attitude so I pretty much just gave him my price and left. I believe $2000 over invoice is fair and I would of placed my deposit if it went through. Can I call the manager and request to deal with another sales rep? I really want that vehicle but I don't want to deal with him.

cw_rock

Dear Jarmabeige:

Thanks for the great info. I will be buying an S soon. Can you please tell me what the actual sticker price was and what you paid was?

Any other Cayenne S owners, I would appreciate if you could post the sticker price and what you actually paid.

Also, if any of you leased it, please let me know what the DRIVE OFF price was and the Monthly Payments are. Please included the yearly mileage you get and the length of the lease term.

I am going in this weekend and will hopefully get a good deal.

Thanks all. This board has been great!

jmoney

Picking up my 04 Cayenne S tommorrow, and very excited.

Have Sirius satelite radio om my other car and am wondering if there is a way to seamlessly integrate sat radio in a cayenne that has PCM. I don't want a receiver hanging off my dash.

thanks for all your answers

highender

that someone got $400 over invoice for a Cayenne...over in the fx45 vs Cay vs srx vs X5 forum....don't know if its true or just the dealer throwing bait....

jmoney

I was about to cut a deal on an 04 silver cay with a sticker of 64,500. I had worked the dealer down to 60k which was about 2500 less than most negotiations in my area. As I was ready to sign on the dotted line, I found a titanium demo (which was my preffered color) with 5k miles on it. Since I've purchased demo porsches before and had great success, I was not gun shy. This one listed for 67,500. Assuming the same markdown of $4500., this brought it down to 63k. I then got another 4k off bringing the price down to 59k. Done deal. Picking it up tommorrow.

Another helpful hint: based on last years published invoice prices (have to go with these cause 04 prices not available) the average porsche mark up regardless of options is $7,500. A good starting poin tis to look at the sticker and subtract 7500 from it. This will give you a very good general ballpark figure of dealer invoice.
Start there and work up. Porsche, like all manufacturers gives the dealer a HOLDBACK upon selling the car. Unlike alot of manufactureres, porsche does not give up many other factory to dealer incentives. But even at invoice, they'll make a few k via the hold back.

and finally, get two or three dealers to beat each other up. It's not only fun to watch, you'll be saving big bucks

hope it helps you

highender

congrats.....

it is the most advanced engine on the market, short of spending $300,000 for an exotic....

:-)

jmoney

Thanks for your postings on this and the fx v cayenne board. It helped alot in making my 11th hour decision.

picking up my cay tommorrow, let you and everyone else know how it feels by Friday

mudman2

Nice moves, good luck with a great car !

utomdsb

an update to my stalling problems (msg #679).

After 10 days, it was diagnosed as an electronic
fault where the gas gauge was showing 1/4 full
in the tank while it was actually empty...
(girlfriend stalled on the highway with my
then 2 week old baby. Not good)

let's say that to take 10 days to figure that
out was unimpressive.

Now, if they could just fix the slippery
transmission when the engine is cold and they
scambling of door settings every few days (reverts
back to unlocking driver's door only). Minor
annoyances that I can live with but I wish
they would be fixed (they said they did fix it
when they corrected the gas gauge problems but
the're still there)

OTOH, decided to take it for a road trip from
Montreal to Atlantic City (had a meeting in
New Jersey) and it behaved perfectly. Ride was
actually much smoother than I had expected. Gas
mileage was better than I expected (18mg, 75-90MPH).
Very comfortable (even for rear seat passenger).

So this trip made me forget (but not completely)
about my problems as I enjoyed my Cayenne and now
have more faith in it).

JD Powers survey went out with appropriate
comments about quality & service.

peteropny

Bought a fairly heavily optioned S today (stickered at $66,020) paid $60,000 - dealer has had the car for quite a while but with only 22 miles on the odometer. Didn't have exactly the right options (why does Porsche make the options so complicated) but bought it since it was a good deal and in the right color combination.

highender

glad they got it figured out....and hope they fixed it for good....

Glad you enjoyed the trip in it....:-)

yeah, its a bummer to have such a nice new car and to have these niggles....
but I say it is just the price that one pays for the totally new and innovative vehicle....

OTOH, there are many problems on all the other boards out there....and vice versa, there are owners with no problems.....
this is a work of art and engineering, IMO....and I could go into details....:-)