2013 and earlier-Honda Accord Prices Paid and Buying Experience

lookingtobuy1

Can anyone who bought one of these in the NY/CT area give me an estimate of what I should be looking to pay? Should a similarly packaged '04 be roughly $1000 more than the '03? Also, one dealer in NY said '04 coupes are not coming in until October-is this true?

gatrhumpy

Hi everyone. I wanted to let you know that I just bought a Honda Accord EX V6 from Bowie Honda in Bowie, Maryland. They're a great dealer to work with, I got a great price ($24,500 out the door, no trade-in), and they're a no BS type of dealer. Plus, I got free carwashes for the life of my car. Here was my partial experience: I called Sheehy Honda (avoid at ALL COSTS!) and got a great price ($24,000 out the door). Well, just on a whim, I called Landmark Honda and spoke with the Internet Manager named Amy. She's a very friendly, helpful, and knowledgeable woman. She helped me and answered questions that I had even though she know I wasn't going to buy from them. I shopped around for different dealers, and if you shop around with the internet, make sure you bring in written quotes to the dealership. I asked her about 2003 Accord EX V6's. She said she didn't have any in stock and they sold out 1.5 months ago. She asked politely about the quote I got from Sheehy, and she was "very surprised" and a bit worried about the quote. She asked if the quote was for a demo version (what managers drive, typically about 2000-10000 miles on them), and I said I didn't know. I called Sheehy back and asked them. The guy took about 5 seconds to answer, and this is what he said (after I had negotiated the final price mind you): "Uhhhh well, I'm not sure. I think they are 18-20 miles on it. I think it's new." I asked him to find out for sure and asked for the mileage of the car I was getting a quote on. Well, he called back about 30 minutes later (probably realizing that I had caught him with his pants down), and he said the car was sold. BS! He either had two options for me to get me down to the dealership: 1.) Use Bait and Switch tactic or 2.) to sell me the demo and not tell me. I want to drive down to this dealer with my NEW Accord and tell him off. Moral of the story: If you ask for a 2003 model, MAKE SURE IT'S NOT A DEMO VERSION (ask for the mileage), unless you want one. Amy at Landmark Honda said that LEGALLY dealers have to discount $0.10 every mile that is on the car. If you live in the DC area, check out either Landmark Honda (for 2004's) or Bowie Honda (talk with Larry Powell). Also, one last note. I bought a 2003 and 2004 Accord negotiating price list from www.fightingchance.com for $38.95. If anyone wants to take this off of my hands, please let me know. This price list will tell you exactly what you should be paying for your Accord and how to negotiate for that car. It could save you THOUSANDS of dollars!

artnyc

I have nothing against car dealers, but even JSells will probably get a kick out of this. I'm shopping for an Accord Sedan 4cyl EX leather & nav. My strategy was to email every single dealer w/in 35 miles. That is A LOT. Right from the get go, I realized that you can't give your phone number with this strategy. I pre-shopped around a bit a month ago and learned that even if you say email only, if you give your phone number you are going to get calls, and maybe multiple calls from the same dealership. Phone number is a requirement for most of the forms for a quote, but I often got away with putting "email only" in instead of a number. Sometimes I had to put a fake number, but I always mentioned that the number was fake, and to email me, elsewhere on the form. My intent wasn't to jerk anybody's chain -- I tried to make it very clear that I only wanted email responses and wasn't providing a real number b/c I didn't want a call. I must have sent out 30 emails. I got one response for 420 over invoice from a dealer who read my request and responded with a simple 3 sentence email. 4 or 5 other dealers also provided quotes. However, the vast majority of dealers didn't even read my request, and sent me a form email saying call so and so, we are the best, we'll beat any price, come in for a test drive, blah blah. Many of these emails were actually pretty funny. One of my favorites is posted below, with sales rep name and dealership name redacted so as not to embarass anyone:

CONGRATULATIONS !!!!!!! Thank you for your inquiry. We better any bonafide deal you can find saving you thousands over all. We are also number one in customer satisfaction. I"m your representative [SALES PERSON]. DO NOT BUY OR
LEASE FROM ANY ONE UNTIL YOU SPEAK TO ME. Please call me at [MY NUMBER] and ask for me,[sales person] [this blank really said "sales person" not the guy's name]. I need some details
missing from your request so I can make you the very best deal today. If your not interested at the time, please call so I can remove your name from our calling list. I wait to hear from you today [first name]

Cordially submitted,
[salesperson]

[address and number]

Now to the serious question -- my best quote is from Bob Ciasulli Honda at 420 over invoice, although they might come down some. Anyone suggest anywhere I might have missed in the NYC area (very loosely defined -- I'll go 50 miles).

motionk1

Yeah artnyc, I know what you mean. I emailed 30 dealers leaving fake phone numbers and none of them took me seriously. I got generic emails from maybe 5 of them and 3 quoted me real figures.

So I called and called everyone one of the sales managers in so cal and got maybe 10 quotes. Some didn't even bother to call back. Finally this lady told me she'll beat my best offer of 19500 by 50, making it 19450. So I went there and immediately the the manager changed the quote saying the lady that quoted wasn't there and yada yada (1100 under invoice).

I showed him some print outs of the amazing prices people here have been getting especially in the bay area and he kinda just laughed it off. I was leaving and then he did the whole "wait....I'll do better" thing and somehow another dealer called at that moment. The manager just said, "hang up and we'll give you a deal".

So I got my car for 800 under invoice, not as good as some of the ones posted here but I felt that it was good enough. Hardin Honda in Anaheim was the absolute only dealer willing to really match prices and my salesman was really laid back as well.

What I liked most about this whole whoopla? The manager knew that I've done my homework and I brought my best bud with me, (a nissan salesman) so he didn't even try anything funny. He wrote "NO ADD-ONS" and the finance guy never even mentioned about anything remotely close to extended warranty, vin etching, whatever.
19,800 was the final price plus tax. Finally I bought my mom the surprise present I wanted to give her for the past 12 years after a week of intense research.

How do some of you from the bay area get over a grand under invoice? No one in so cal is willing to deal at all.

ral2167

rather than emailing 35 dealers and asking them for their best price, why don't you just make an offer to each one-- and let them say yes or no. simple. am i nuts?

winbro

did you try white plains honda?

isellhondas

Your approach is the one that makes sense. Blast faxs are a total waste of time 99% of the time.

Call a dealer you like...one that has been reccommended by someone you trust.

Do your homework and make an OFFER.

superem

Hello to all. Long time reader, first time poster.
I recently purchased a 2000 Honda Accord EX with 30,675 miles on it with all the goodies.I paid $17,515 after tax,title and fees. Just wonder if I got a good deal. The price was pretty close to the TMV.

indyfan

I don't post much but I wondered what others would do in my case. I'm not quite ready to buy yet but when I am ready I will be able to pay cash. Would you "go all out" and buy an EX V6 or settle for a few less bells and whistles and have a few bucks left over?

richards38

I faced the same decision a month ago and bought a 2004 Accord EX-L 4 cyl. automatic. I think it's plenty fast--no plans to haul a trailer in the mountains, so I could get a more economical car with supposedly better handling because it was less front-end heavy. The '04 EX-L has standard, side head curtain airbags which according to recent studies are very protective--they were available only on the EX V6 in the 2003 year. So, if you get a left-over 2003, buy the top-of-the-line V6 for the extra safety. If you can live with a smooth, quick 4 cyl., you really should get an '04 for the head curtain air bags (head curtain air bags are optional on EX models without leather, but the leather is really nice). I think the '04 EX-L 4 cyl. is a great car and would encourage you to consider it. FYI, I paid $22.7 plus tax in San Francisco which seems to be a decent deal in this area......richard

artnyc

Ral2167, it makes no difference whether or not you email dealers an offer or ask for their best price. They mostly ignore you in any case. In perhaps half of my 30 emails, I mentioned that I wanted to pay 300 over invoice or better. The responses I got to such emails were no more or less helpful then the responses I got to my give me your best offer email. The reality is that maybe 1/5 of dealers actually read the emails and draft an appropriate response. This does *not* mean that mass-email is a complete waste of time -- after 30 emails and a round of follow up to the responding dealers, I now have several dealerships willing to sell for 300 over invoice and one at 250 over. More generally, there is a well known principle in negotiation called "not bidding against yourself". Put another way, why should I ask for 300 over invoice when some people on this board have done better? At the same time, if one asks for 200 over invoice, one risks not the dealer not responding. Also, the principle of "not bidding against yourself" doesn't really apply in full force to the educated Edmunds buyer -- as JS would note, we should all be delighted to pay 300 over invoice, as that is a much better deal then the uninformed masses get. So I don't really think its wrong to go either route -- the give me your best offer route is probably theoretically best if you want the absolutely best deal, but naming your price is probably a less painful way to get a good price.

There is no question that phone calls will probably lead to responses from some dealerships that won't respond to an email. However, without intending to offend, I find *some* car dealers fairly unpleasant to talk too -- and that is why I selected the email method. Email is also quicker and cleaner, at least as to dealerships that respond.

Finally, the idea of picking a dealer you trust is flawed. In the NYC area, Route 22 has the best prices I saw on 2003's -- 900 under invoice in the model I want. The internet salesman was courteous and helpful. And yet their prices on 2004's were not competitive -- 1000 over invoice with no room to negotiate. If you want the best price, you must be educated as to invoice and what is the best deal reasonably feasible, and you must deal with a significant number of dealers. Email may or may not be the best way to do this -- got to balance the fact that most dealers do not respond with the plus of not having to speak to tons of dealers on the phone, which I don't like. Certainly, one cannot really argue with a process that took maybe an hour, hour 1/2 of effort and has 4 or so dealers offering me 300 over invoice or better in one case.

superbone

Great info! Thanks.

I will try this method when purchasing my Accord out here in San Diego/Riverside.

ken972

In regards to your decision on which accord to buy. Since you are not quite ready to buy I would test drive both the v6 and 4cyl models and just see which one you like the most..taking money out of the equation since you can afford either one in cash. If you dont feel you need the V6..save your money and get the 4cyl. Though I couldnt pay cash for the my 04 EX V6 accord..It was within my price range and would have been open to save $ on the 4cyl. I test drove the V6 and the 4cyl and just picked the right one for me. There is a debate on weather or not you need a v6. To me its not necessarily about power..a very quiet, refined, smooth engine comes with it. Id rather have that and give up a little steering feel that comes with the extra weight of the v6. Though the 4cyl is also a great engine vs. other car makers 4cyl's. Good luck with your decison.

newhondaguy22

Hey everyone. I read this board for a few weeks in preparation for making my purchase, which I finally did a few days ago. I was initially interested in an Infiniti G35 4 door, but after driving the Accord, I thought I would save myself 10 grand on what seems like a very solid car that I felt was surprisingly fun to drive.

Anyway, I purchased an Accord LX 4 cyl w/side airbags: the price I paid was $17,500 excluding tax. While this was considerably lower than Edmunds' TMV I have a feeling I could have gotten it for $17,200 or maybe even less. I just don't have time to run around a lot and I am not the greatest negotiator. Would love to know how people think I did.

Thanks

pat

Congrats on your new Accord - enjoy it! :-)

isellhondas

Like Pat said, just enjoy your new car! You'll get some people who will tell you you paid too much, then what?

Frankly, I'm surprised you bought it so cheap...makes no sense. five speed?

ineedhelp

20,300 for 2003 LX V6 in SoCal. Unfortunately it has a lot of black smudges and stains on the cloth and some scratches on the plastic.

richards38

Newhondaguy22: Yes, I think you did just fine! You paid well under invoice and if you look at what's available for the price you paid, I think you'll see that you got a great car for the money. Drive it in good health!.........Richard

richards38

If you haven't seen this recent study, please take a look. This is one good reason (among many reasons, of course) that I bought an '04 Accord EX-L which has side, head curtain air bags standard. Go here:

http://www.hwysafety.org/news_releases/2003/pr082603.htm

Interesting, yes?........Richard

edh703

Does anyone know of a website with 2004 invoice pricing? I have seen pricing for 03s but not 04s. I am interested in a 2004 Honda Accord Sedan EX with leather (automatic, 4 cyl). Thanks.

gatrhumpy

Hey all,
   I have been to several websites to try and find invoice pricing for 2004 Honda Accords, but with no luck. I contacted dealers about this issue, but I don't trust them. I know the invoice price for a 2004 Honda Accord EX V6 with navigation is around $25,551. You can gauge your car's price from this number.

dealhunter2

$21600, plus tax and tags out of the door. Maybe because it is close to the end of month and/or quarter...

jade10

Carsdirect.com lists the invoice price for the EX-V6 Sedan with navigation at $26,011...without navigation the invoice is $24,213... http://www.auto.consumerguide.com and http://www.carsdirect.com are the only two sources of invoice pricing that I am aware of at this time.

jade10

Here in Western Washington, fantastic deals (like ones described on this forum from other areas of the country) are seemingly unobtainable.

In my opinion, Honda of Bellevue should be avoided. Prices are marked up unreasonably, and trade-ins are obscenely undervalued. Negotiation here was impossible. In addition, this dealership did not quote an accurate price via the Costco Auto Program. One wonders if they think they are actually selling Acuras instead of Hondas.

Honda of Kirkland should not be a primary choice either, if it is not the end of the month anyway. This dealership refused to negotiate earlier in the month; instead of countering offers, the manager there just asked for more money. Trade-ins here were slightly undervalued. To this dealership's credit, a different sales manager than the one I dealt with did attempt to re-engage me when he finally had the car I wanted in stock; he may have been more willing to deal as it was the end of the month.

I'd give a strong recommendation for Kathleen at Honda of Seattle...She is the fleet manager and Costco program contact for that dealership...She is straightforward and no-nonsense...Costco pricing was offered without asking...Trade-in credit was generous after minimal negotiation. One thing to note, this dealership was fairly rigid on the new car pricing (i.e. the Costco pricing), but was more flexible on the trade-in value.

These cars, especially in Eternal Blue Pearl, seem to be moving pretty fast in this area. Seattle took a day and a half to locate the vehicle I specified (at least three others that I was aware of sold quickly). On the vehicle I chose, Edmunds TMV is $26,443 (MSRP is $26,860 and Invoice is $24,213). Costco's pricing is $25,213 plus tax and license (and a $35 document fee)...Trade-ins muddle the pricing a little, but as I said, trade-in credit at Seattle was generous, perhaps as much as $400 more than expected based on current book values.

To summarize, we paid more than we wanted to for the new car, but generous trade-in credit offset the new car price somewhat.

richards38

I posted this a few days ago and some people pointed out some inconsistencies; however, it's all I could find. Be sure to scroll down the page to where the invoice prices are shown:

http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/new/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/- 37579

superbone

Thanks for the link! Looks like they have to 2 door/4 door EX V6 prices mixed up.

Thanks again.

superbone

What's the best people are getting? Is $300 over invoice possible for these or are they in too high demand still?

richards38

I think it is because my car at $22.7 plus tax for a 4 cyl. EX-L, is about $250 (maybe a bit less) over the invoice of $21,867 plus the PLEV of $135 to $150 (that's the cost of "Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle" hardware in California that is not shown in the wholsale price--I say this because the PLEV isn't reflected in the MSRP shown). Someone posted a purchase price of only $22,225 in California which is the lowest I've seen for the same car. The dealer will make more than the approximately $250 to $300 because of the 2% holdback. Be sure to read what Edmunds says about holdbacks and why cars sold below invoice can still be profitable to the dealer.......Richard

qbert88

I just purchased a 2003 Accord EX-L V6 (No Nav) for $23,000 + tax and tag. Out the door was around $24,500 in Southern Florida. I think I got a decent price, perhaps not the best, but I feel pretty comfortable.

I had 4 dealerships trying to beat each other via e-mail, but I didn't want to wait any more since they currently have 2.9% @ 60 months and I wanted to make sure I secured that.

I used this site for much of my preparation and I wanted to contribute my information. I hope others find it as useful as I.

anonymousposts

Invoice went up $100 on 4 cylinder models, $300 on the LX V6, and $500 on the EX V6. Add that to the 2003 invoice and you should have a good ballpark on the 04's.

I think the increase info is posted on www.hondanews.com.

drummerboy_200

My wife and I just purchased a brand new Silver 04 Accord EX 4-cylinder automatic. The only options added were the trunk liner and the dealer's PRO(protection) package which includes pin stripes, carpet and seat protectant(scotch guard), and paint sealant(probably a coat of wax). We had already done a months worth of research and had an initial competitive offer of $21,500 on a comparably equipped Toyota Camry SE before we went in to purchase our Accord. I expected much more of a struggle from the dealership than we received, so I was pleasantly surprised when we got him down to $21,300 without too much of a fuss. After a heafty 7% tax and dealer fees we arived at our expected price of 23,025. Not bad considering that is about the MSRP for our car with the options. So, thanks to the fiendly guys at Conyers Honda in Conyer, GA I've been enjoying my new Accord for about a week now.

anonymousposts

What do you think about the XM radio drummerboy? Mine was activated Saturday and I LOVE it. Commercial-free radio no matter where I am .. awesome...

nissanlover

Finally purchased white Accord at $17400+MV Fee 133+ Doc Fee+199 + Tax. Got 2.9% too. Seem like fair deal in last minute before September sale was over. Happy about best deal although I couldn't get the color I wanted.

drummerboy_200

I love XM radio, in general. I got to play with it quite a bit when I worked my little stint as a car salesman. Unfortunately though, XM is only on the V6. I got the 4-cyl EX. Still, the factory 6-disc changer in the i-4 EX is very sweet. I have no complaints about missing out on XM.

isellhondas

Also come on EXL's. These are four cylinders with leather.

Once a person listens to XM radio they won't want to live without it!

drummerboy_200

Ah yes, I forgot about XM in leather. Either way, I don't have it.
"Once a person listens to XM radio they won't want to live without it!"
A nice pitch, but not true in my case. I'm quite happy with what I have, or don't have.

gatrhumpy

Drummerboy_200, if you bought the protection package (I don't knnow how much you paid for it) you got ripped off BIG TIME. The dealer was probably laughing when you left the dealer parking lot. You could have saved yourself a LOT of money by doing the protection yourself. Do you even know for sure that the Scotchguard was even done? You could have gone down to the store, bought a $5 can and did it yourself. Also, with a little time investment, you could have hand waxed your car instead of spraying some stupid liquid wax like the dealer did (that will last less than a week). As for rust protection, that's BS! You could have saved alot of money if you took the time to do it yourself.

drummerboy_200

Trust me when I tell you that I did not get ripped off. First, the protection package thing. I didn't have a choice in that. It was on every car on the lot and I didn't feel like ordering or waiting on a new shipment. Second, check out the price I paid. $21,300 for an 04 EX with trunk liner, pin stripes, and the already included Pro pack. I saved over $1,500 off MSRP. How is that getting ripped off. Yes, the dealership still made about $400 over invoice, but it is still a buisiness. I've done the salesman bit. The salesperson gets paid out of the profit made on a car sale, and it's not a very big cut. I'm not going to make the guy work for free. As long as I get a good price (I got a very good price), and he gets to take home a little something, then everyone's happy.

graphicguy

It's been a while since I had a sales person tell me "well, the paint protection/Supershine (or whatever they're calling it) is on every car so we have to charge you for it."

Two issues:

1. I've never known a dealership that puts this type of alleged "paint protection" on their cars as soon as they are delivered. They wait until the car is sold and then do the prep.

2. These products are about as useful as a wax job you can do yourself with a $20 purchase of wax from Pep Boys and the like. I can get pinstripes put on any car for less than $50.

Point being, I feel that the old "paint protection and pinstripes" profit schemes were gone once people understood what they really are. I see they are still alive and kicking in some locales.

One of the jobs I had when going to college was at an import car dealership as their "lot boy". I was making minimum wage. My job was to move cars around the lot and "prep" them for delivery (which amounted to little more than removing the delivery plastic, putting on the tags, vacuming them and running them through the car wash) They would run the new car delivery through their automated car wash (terrible for a car's finish since those cause "swirls" in your paint). Then I would put the "paint protection" on. This consisted of putting some oily wax like substance on the car with a rag. That was their definition of "paint guard". It took me all of 20 minutes to do everything.

People were paying $400-$800 for this treatment which would wash off the very first car wash. They said that the product would have to be reapplied every 6 months for the warranty to be valid. Whenever they had a warranty claim for the paint guard, there was always some "fine print" that would give the dealership "wiggle room" to disallow the claim. What the dealership would allow as a claim was little more than the manufacturer's warranty against rust and fading would allow. Plus, there was always some sort of "abuse" claimed when the customer tried to collect.

gatrhumpy

Graphicguy, I almost feel sorry for drummerboy_200.

richards38

Except for a few items that you might really want (cargo net in the trunk or wheel locks, for example), things like paint protectors, pin stripes, undercoat, vin etched in window glass (supposedly better ID if car stolen), etc. are pure price-packing by the dealer. The actual cost of this useless garbage is so low that you should just tell the dealer you won't pay for those things. Don't start negotiating from the dealer's packed price--start from either the invoice price (if known) or work downward from the MSRP. I think most internet shoppers seem to be getting fairly similar prices that are favorable--those of us who do our homework on the internet are probably getting lower buying prices than those who don't. Edmunds.com was a BIG help for me. Edmunds and other sites gave me the approximate price I should expect to pay and that's the deal I received--seems to be in line with prices paid by others in this discussion group...........Richard

bburton3

Was in a honda dealer in Atlanta picking up my car after some warranty work-saw this kid with a spray can applying "fabric protection". Two swipes across the back of the back seat and two across the bottoms-asked him how many cars a can would do-probably 5 he said.

Still have yet to see anything like the $500 "Consumer Value Package" one Mpls dealer used to add to every honda on his lot. Consisted of either 3 or 4 oil changes.

Hey these guys have boat payments due also-just don't ask me to make them.

isellhondas

Please undeerstand something...I don't "pitch" anything in these forums or at work!

indyfan

How does XM work? Can you pick up any station on it? How much are monthly fees? .......and thanks to ken972 & richards38 for answering a post of mine a few days ago.

anonymousposts

We have 140 channels or so. Some of every type of music, news, and comedy. Monthly fee is $9.99 if you go month-to-month. Cheaper if you go by the year. It negates the need for CD's in my opinion.

drummerboy_200

I find it odd that some people on this board are so ready and willing to tell you how much you got ripped off by the options that are on the car while completely ignoring the price paid. Ok, so I should have said "the pro pack is on all current Silver 4-cyl Accord EX's on the lot", which was about 3 of them. Even if it wasn't put on, who cares? Lets assume that it wasn't. I still got an EX with trunk liner and pin stripes for $21,300. Seeing as how the MSRP for the BASE EX is $22,500, I'd say this is still a good price. So I got the trunk liner, pin stripes, and possibly some low grade carpet/seat/paint protection for the bargan price of NOTHING, while still getting a great deal on an 04 Accord EX. I even got him to leave the dealer badge off the car. There was no trade-in, no financing, just this deal.
So, ignoring the pro pack, can you find anything wrong with the deal? If so, you're looking too hard or expecting too much.

"Please undeerstand something...I don't "pitch" anything in these forums or at work!"
Wasn't trying to imply that you're out to sell XM radios. I just meant that your statement doesn't apply to everyone.

hondasellertx

Value. Thank you. It's good to see someone who appreciates the fact that Honda's are a good value even at the sticker price. It's nice to get a customer once in a while who doesn't want you to give up your entire commission so they can buy one of the best values on the market at or below cost. Those are generally the same ones who would be offended if you offered them cost or below on their product or service and then kill you on your survey by not giving all 5's which is the only passing score on the survey.

#2603 of 2729 one more time by dardson1 Sep 11, 2003 (12:28 am)
whatever you paid, whichever Accord you bought, these cars are a third less than anything comparable. My daughter's 03 EXV6 sedan feels just like my wife's Lexus for 10k less. My mother-in-laws 03 LX sedan @ $18.5k (less the leather, sunroof, etc, etc) was a steal.....plenty quick and with everything you really need and not a thing more, lol. Don't worry, be happy. If you bought an Accord you got a great deal even if you paid 500 over MSRP. No, I'm not a Honda salesman.......just a car guy who knows a value when he sees one.

c3po2

I got a left over 03 EX-L Coupe w/ a five speed... about the only one I could find anywhere for $300 over invoice. I think lots of times you just have to realize that you can always find a better deal, but getting a good deal on the right car is always best.

jcihak

I think its a waste of time to worry about whether you could have saved a hundred dollars off the price of a car instead of enjoying the car itself. What's the point, unless you just want to make yourself miserable?

ragtop

Why isn't the web sites that give you an estimated value for trade-in never correct ? I went to 3 web sites to get an estimate of what my car is worth and they all said around $7000 trade-in value. But when I went to the dealership at lunch time to buy a new 2004 Accord all where willing to give me was $5000. A $2000 difference, now should I just accept this trade-in value is correct or should I try another dealer, 50 miles away and see if they will give me a higer price.
Most of the dealers around here are will to go about $1700 off the sticker but the trade in where it gets a little fuzzy.