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Oil Filters, whose is best, and Why?
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Looks like Fram took over another store. At least WalMart still has SuperTech.
Then you said "I don't have that info, I'm just reposting what someone else posted in here earlier. I don't know if anyone has been able to get the data on this stuff yet".So which is it?You know what Syntech "synthetic" oil is/contains,but you can't get data on it? Is it a full PAO or a blend?Are you sure?If so,why?
http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi
there is a poster over there (Johnny) who works for Pennzoil and is very familiar with the product history. SuperTech was made by a company in Shreveport which was taken over by Quaker State which was later merged into Pz/QS. This explains why the product is different. To quote from the Quaker State history section of the web page.
http://www.quakerstate.com/pages/about/history.asp
"Among the important acquisitions was Specialty Oil Companies of Shreveport, Louisiana. This firm's broad product line included a wide range of industrial lubricants and a strong private label manufacturing capability. In addition, its distribution system greatly enhanced the overall Quaker State system. Specialty Environmental Services greatly enhanced Quaker State's "green" capabilities, particularly in the field of waste oil collection and recycling. These services not only assist Q Lube operations, but they also enable the newly formed Fleet, Commercial and Industrial (FCI) division to provide its customers with complete lubricant service."
Thus the dino product (which I use) really isn't Quaker State or Pennzoil in the most narrow sense. Not sure what the background is on SuperTech synthetic. Someone else got the datasheets. I'm sorry this is (mis)posted under the filter threads, but thought the info. interesting and relevant.
I've seen lab results where the QS and Penn were tested. Both were found to be superior to dino. If the SuperTech is better than the QS, and almost as good as the Penn, considering its price, that's good enough for me.
Nobody on this board has gotten QS/Pennzoil to provide info on the SuperTech synthetic, although someone has made repeated attempts. I believe the statements about SuperTech being somewhere between QS/Pennzoil in terms of the specs were in reference to the conventional oils.
It seems logical to me that the SuperTech synthetic would bear some resemblance in performance and/or composition to QS or Pennzoil's synthetics. But there's no telling how close it is to the other 2, or what it's made of.
bottgers, at the end of the day you have a bottle of oil, made by a respected major corporation, with the word "synthetic" on it. It may very well be an excellent oil, and it may be a good value. But neither one of us knows for sure.
Not much of the "hearsay,blanket statement,because I use it,I read it somewhere" kind of mentality there.
I am only waiting for when Chevron SL rated oil meets the GM 4178M standard
Hey, maybe they like us better. Ours are 20% to 30% off, and are plainly marked. "CLEARANCE".
Including Penske, Castrol and AC/Delco. No markdown on the air filters yet.
Now,tell us what these numbers are for your vaunted mystery oil(Super Tech Synthetic)if you can.If not,then you are BLINDLY using that oil on the supposition that it MUST be better than brand X,because bottgers says so.
Then give it a rest.
Well for me one out of two aint bad! I was so looking forward to saving 3-4 dollars a qt! But more importantly getting a lower (better)lubrication per mile number! Oh well! Thanks for posting the info on the Chevron SL.
Oh yeah, let's keep this discussion on an oil board , not the oil filter board.
Wednesday, April 10, 2002
Penske, Kmart end partnership
Tentative deal would give retailer $16 million for permanent closure of 500 auto centers
By Karen Talaski / The Detroit News
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TROY -- Kmart Corp. and Penske Auto Centers LLC on Tuesday agreed to end their partnership, permanently closing the auto-service centers and providing Kmart with a payout that could top $16 million.
The two sides are expected to finalize a settlement over the next 24 hours in hopes of winning approval from a federal bankruptcy court on Thursday.
Terms of the agreement include a $10 million payment from Penske to Kmart to cover salaries, severance and future medical expenses of about 4,000 former Penske employees.
Penske also is expected to pay another $6 million as part of a lease agreement with Kmart.
Kmart Chairman James B. Adamson said the closures "will not have any adverse affect on our business." He added that Kmart plans to convert the centers, which Penske said were unprofitable, into additional selling space for its general merchandise stores.
Penske also is expected to waive a $5 million payment it said Kmart owed as part of the retailer's decision to close 283 stores. About 60 Penske locations were affected by those closures, which were announced last month.
The closings left Penske with about 554 auto centers nationwide. About 500 of those are located within Kmart stores.
In a joint release, Kmart and Penske also agreed that a statement in a Penske court filing regarding the possible closure of an additional 700 Kmart stores was based on an internal Penske document and did not originate from Kmart or any Kmart officials. Kmart said it has no current plans to close additional stores at this time.
Penske Auto Centers is a subsidiary of Penske Corp., a privately held company led by racing mogul Roger S. Penske. Kmart operated its own auto care shops before Penske purchased them from Kmart in 1995 for $112 million. Under the agreement, Penske owned 64 percent of the centers and Kmart held the remaining 36 percent.
Roger Penske also is chairman and president of Detroit-based United Auto Group Inc., a publicly traded company that buys and operates franchised auto dealerships.
Kmart and Penske lawyers met in marathon sessions Monday and Tuesday before U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Susan Pierson Sonderby and in private meetings held in Chicago, where Kmart's massive bankruptcy case is being heard.
The retailer, which filed for Chapter 11 protection on Jan. 22, asked the court for damages because Penske's abrupt closure had broken the terms of their contract.
The relationship between the two Troy-based chains began to unravel Friday, when Penske notified Kmart officials of its immediate plans to close up shop.
Kmart sought an emergency restraining order to prevent Penske from closing, but it was too late. Every Penske location was shuttered by Saturday afternoon.
Since its bankruptcy filing, Kmart has had to soothe many vendors, who threatened to withhold shipments because of losses or missed payments by the discount retailer. Kmart even offered suppliers second liens on its assets if they agreed to resume shipments within 60 days of Kmart's filing.
Some vendors, such as Kmart's sole food supplier Fleming Cos. Inc., received special "critical vendor" status and got early payment on their pre-petition claims. Others, including Sara Lee Corp., have been told by the court to stand in line with other creditors looking for payment on their outstanding Kmart bills.
Penske is the first vendor to publicly break ties with Kmart. Penske officials have said they saw the writing on the wall weeks ago, and they chose a complete shutdown as a way to protect the company's remaining assets.
Penske claims its auto centers were losing as much as $3 million a month. It also claimed Kmart officials had said in a March 27 meeting that the auto centers "provided no value to (Kmart's) core business" and that Kmart felt "the best course of action was to close Penske Auto Centers."
Customers say they are a casualty in the battle between Kmart and Penske. Longtime Penske clients like Richard Smolinski are worried about what will happen to their warranties now that Penske has closed.
Smolinski said he has had six years' worth of repairs at the Penske service center near Wonderland Mall. Smolinski also took his daughter's car to the same center for new tires and brakes a few months ago.
"I've had a lot of work done on two cars. Now what?" the Livonia resident said. "If they're not going to honor my warranties, what am I supposed to do?"
However, Kmart said the agreement requires Penske to earmark funds for certain close-down expenses, including facility restoration, removal of hazardous waste and materials as well as money to support customers' warranty claims.
In other news, Kmart on Tuesday announced it has appointed Michael T. Macik as executive vice-president of human resources. Macik will report to Adamson.
Macik retired from Kmart in November 2000 after 31 years of service. His return is notable because Macik is the first executive to reclaim his position following the dismissal of former Kmart Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Chuck C. Conaway.
You can reach Karen Talaski at (313) 222-2319 or at ktalaski@detnews.com.
I have wondered what connection exists there too. But in the local KMart, they too are being "clearance"ed. As is everything on the shelf but Fram. Kind of makes me wonder if Bill Gates owns Fram, and is using the same coercion on KMart that he uses on the computer manufactures. It has the same stench.
With WalMart being loaded with Frams, it looks like KMart could have picked up a different line. Especially if they think they can compete with higher prices.
I have ten Penskes to use on my two Nissan 3.3L V6's. By the time I run out, something new (hopefully) will have developed within some brand I like, somewhere.
It seems that, from the posts I've read on this board, that the poorly-performing Delcos are the ones NOT made by GM. If this is true, then is using a DuraGuard okay? Or should I spend the extra money for a Purolator?
I got by Kmart today and noted that the Penske filters are still full price, but the Castrol filters are on close out, as are the AC Delcos. Of course, I bought several of each, needing none! (:oÞ
and is Valvoline oil better than mobil...if it is, why?
shemzFram filters are acknowledged as the worst/cheapest. No way to tell which oil is best. Manufactures do not share their secrets and testing details. If you are like most people and follow the Jiffy Lube Propaganda with 3 or 4 thousand oil change intervals, It probably doesn't matter which oil or filter you use.
http://www.minimopar.net/oilfilter-fram1.txt
but there was one problem though, when i put the new oil filter (Yes Fram) and tightened it by hand, started the car, i found that there is some small amount of fresh oil that drips!!?? i stopped the car, tightened the oil pans bolt and the tightened the filter, by hand, and restarted the car. And it was still dripping oil, a little less though!!?? i dont understand, i followed all the instruction on my Haynes Nissan 1995 Altima book. could it be that i have a faulty filter???or do i need to tighten it a little harder?
Iam lossing valubale oil..(Valvoline)..help
I just wanted to say that the original MiniMopar filter survey was almost as negative on Champion Labs filters as Frams, and that the author backed way off after being threatened by Champion Labs attorneys.
If I remember correctly there were two complaints about Champion Labs filters, 1. rust on end plates (I remember this, but haven't seen it in years) and 2. that the filtering media seemed flimsy (certainly not the case now, and TSJAY, when he posted here, pretty well debunked that one).
On the otherhand all of the complaints about Fram including the cardboard where metal should be are still there. Some Autozones have cut aways of all model filters they sell. Looking at those filters, I wonder how anyone could buy a Fram.
csandste- to answer your question, an autozone employee, actually a manager who i trust, told me that fram is a good filter. I also read the writting on the fram oil filter box, and it seemed efficient and very good for anything...but i can see what you mean.
I ususally change my oil every about 2,000 to 2,500 miles...not 3,000. I just like to take care of the motor b/c sometimes i drive hard on it, and this is the easiest way to make it live longer...hopefully.
but I think that the old piece of rubber is intact infront of the new filter.
I tightened the filter till it couldnt turn right or left anymore...is that ok????
This procedure come from the GM factory service manual.It works on all engines,even diesel.