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Make the boards valuable to shoppers. Here's how:
First things first... State the actual bottom line MSRP of the new car, as shown on the official, federal government mandated window (Monroney) sticker, which will include all factory and port installed standard and optional equipment and the destination or transportation charge.
If you traded in a car, let us know, according to the Kelley Blue Book, the condition evaluation and trade-in value of the car you traded.
Tell us the mileage of your trade-in.
State the trade-in $ amount actually allowed on your sale contract.
Then, list details and prices for all dealer installed options and any included (free?) maintenance or oil changes or extended warranties, wax jobs, pin striping, paint or fabric protection packages, Scotchgard, window tinting, "additional dealer markup", "market adjustment", "dealer preparation", or any other amounts which were a part of the deal. These items are DEALER PACS and nearly pure profit to the dealer. They are often itemized on an official looking, but totally unnecessary, addendum window sticker attached to and styled much like the official government required MSRP window sticker.
Also indicate the amount of the "document fee" charged by the dealer for writing up and sending in paperwork done inside the dealership to ensure ownership is properly transferred, thereby completing the sale to protect the dealer. (This is actually just business overhead expense, similar to salesman commissions and the building's electric bill. As such, it is bogus, but most dealers get away billing the customer for it anyway. Truly, it is additional dealer profit.)
It is not really necessary to itemize government charges such as registration, license plate, or EPA tire fees since dealers cannot negotiate these amounts anyway. Actually, the government is just using the dealers as tax collectors here.
Finally, tell us about all rebates, incentives or subsidized financing which applied to your deal.
If you posted your deals earlier, please post a correction to include the above information.
If you are going to post your deal in the future, please include all the above info in your post.
Thanks.
Generally, members are looking for the model, what options the buyer selected, and the price paid (not including tax, title, license or trade-in) and WHERE the vehicle was purchased.
Mandating that members include all of the information above sure would limit the number of members who are willing to post information about their deals, and we are grateful to members who take the time to share any info they can.
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I am just a reader and sometimes poster making a suggestion. It is my wish list.
But, if more people would include all pertinent information the board would be more meaningful and useful, that's all.
Please forgive me all of you with ruffled feathers. And, please do continue to post in whatever manner you choose.
So far I like it. Drives beautifully in the heavy rain. Too bad, it comes only CD player not mp3 like 2004. Other than that, I am a happy man.
I helped one friend buy a 2003 GT. No mp3. Then helped another friend buy a 2005 GT. I assumed it had mp3 capability.
I was surprised that the 2005 lost that nice option which apparantly was only included in the 2004 model.
Oh well... They both love them.
-- I wish that posts here would adhere more strictly, tightly, and narrowly to the limited and stated topic -- PRICES PAID and BUYING EXPERIENCE.
Post # 1066 : Elantra GLS Outdoor Price by califmom Jul 7, 2005
I just purchased an Elantra GLS in the San Diego area for $12,500 OTD. The car is automatic, pkg 3. We applied the $1500 rebate and $750 value customer incentive.
Post # 1067 : Elantra GLS Outdoor Price [califmom] by lightsearcher3 Jul 8, 2005
I'm feeling in Elantra showroom brag mode now.
I think I struck the Elantra Forum "Deal of the Month" by
getting out the door with a Package 1 manual sedan for $11,399
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1. Funny, I look to this forum not just to learn how to find the best deal, but hoping someone will get a better deal than me as a result of my buying experience, whether it's good or bad. Maybe bragging is within buying and price experiences.
2. I hate to disappoint you, but I think califmom beat you out on the deal you were gloating about.
On OTD basis, califmom paid $1,101 more than you.
Your manual basic GLS sedan (even with splash guards and trunk mats thrown in) invoices at 12,955.
Califmom's auto GLS with pkg 3 invoices at 14,131.
At invoice itself, she's running 1,176 over your car (more, if you exclude prices of the free stuff).
From what I searched, Maryland has a 5% sales tax and Cali has 7.75%. Remember also that she is paying taxes on a higher amount, not just higher rate.
She got a significantly better deal than you.
Your 12,955 invoice with 1,500 Hyundai rebate brings it to 11,455. And dealers are giving 2,000 under invoice, after rebates, if not better. Of course, on a basic sedan, you got about 1,400 under invoice. Seems a pretty good deal. Leave it at that.
3. Just heard back last week from the Hyundai salesman, he's agreeing to 14,000 OTD on GT auto sedan pkg 8, splash guards & cargo net. That's 16,362 invoice (17,689 MSRP). Comes to 12,600 before taxes, registration & doc fees (about 2,300 under invoice, adjusted for rebate). I'll probably get it end of this month for my wife, since I've to pick up my Infiniti G35X on Monday (~also discussed on here under my id~). The Elantra is Sterling silver, but thanks to those of you who convinced me to go for it. (The Infiniti is black/black).
Now the Salesman indicates that their aftermarket vendor does not have the Sony or Kenwood brands and offered a JVC. After a few calls and emails I found out the vendors name and call to verify.
The vendor indicated the JVC model they have is very low end. I inquired what models were available between $200 and $250 including installation and tax. Pioneer 3700 and Panasonic 3301 models were offered. vendor recommended the Pioneer over the Panasonic.
Internet search found Pioneer 3700 can be purchased for $150.00 to $200.00 and highly praised by owners. The Panasonic was not very researched. KNOW IT ALLS recommended the Pioneer over Panasonic.
After all of this, I will negotiate with the vendor to purchase a 12 dish player with the CD player paid by the dealership. But only if a model that I have selected is installed.
Have sent secret shopper (with more audio expertise) to aftermarket vendor to review inventory.
I drove an Elantra 5 door a couple weeks ago, but it wasn't a GT. I wasn't particularly impressed. Hyundai dealers in DFW area are having a Sonata giveaway, so I stopped back by. My salesman was there, so we took an Elantra GT out for a test drive. It seemed much better than the GLS; maybe I need that "sport-tuned" suspension. My impression of the pickup of the engine was not too hot the first time, but seemed better this time. I took it up to 80+ m.p.h. without any shakes or shimmies. Bottom line is that it is back in the thick of my list and is the least expensive of the choices. I can't buy at least until next month when my wife starts her teaching job, so I have to just sit tight for a while (dang it!) Thanks for your strong endorsement of the Elantra on the board; I'm glad I gave it another look. When I buy, we should be into the year-end deal period so I hope to get a good price.
6-2, 265? I used to be 6-2, 240 (at the beginning of this year), but I am down to 170 now.
I hope I get better than 26 mpg hwy. I'm getting low- to mid-30's now in my Ford Aspire. I realize since I'm probably gonna end up with a bigger car, mileage will go down, but I'm hoping a new car will get at least 30 on the hwy. In addition to the Elantra, I have my eye on a Suzuki Reno and the biggest reason I haven't decided to buy it already is that the mileage isn't what it should be for the size car it is. I prefer the road manners of the Reno, but the Elantra gets better mpg and I think will cost me less for leather (I want to try leather seats for a change if possible).
You may also want to write a diet book and market it. Congratulations.
Thanks
Thanks, but I used an existing diet plan.... one of the low-carb plans.
The next month or so is going to drag, that's for sure. I'm ready to buy, and the Elantra has zoomed up in my list of contenders. I drop my son off at college in late August, then I will sell my current commuter (95 Ford Aspire) and drive his Escort around (since he's not taking it to school) until I can buy a new car. Until then, though, I can only look on enviously as others discuss the great deals they've gotten. If I can get a loaded Elantra for less than $13k, it would be hard to imagine one of the other cars having a better deal.
And if I end up with the Elantra, backy deserves a share of the commission. He's done an excellent job of selling the car's virtues.
I just think the Elantra is a great value in today's small car market, and I think every small-car buyer should at least take a long look at it before deciding. I've already started the hunt for my next new car, to be purchased a year from now. The Elantra GLS 5-door is high on the list right now, but there will be several new cars to consider by then, including the new Accent and Rio, the Honda Fit and new Civic, and of course the all-new '07 Elantra. Can't wait for the pricing discussion on that one.
I got a brand new perfect Elantra GLS with automatic transmission for my wife. (Seemed like a good trade at the time.) It came with moonroof, cruise control, CD upgrade, floor mats, mudguards. $10216 (63.7% x MSRP) after cash rebate and owner loyalty rebate. July purchase. 13 miles on odometer. MSRP was $16032.
1st best deal was posted earlier, <57% x MSRP). No trade-in cars on either.
Look for a GLS fully loaded with ABS and traction control too for under $13k, maybe even under $12k or $11k.
Good luck!
How loaded do you want yours for under $13k ?
I got a brand new perfect Elantra GLS with automatic transmission for my wife. (Seemed like a good trade at the time.) It came with moonroof, cruise control, CD upgrade, floor mats, mudguards. $10216 (63.7% x MSRP) after cash rebate and owner loyalty rebate. July purchase. 13 miles on odometer. MSRP was $16032.
1st best deal was posted earlier, <57% x MSRP). No trade-in cars on either.
Look for a GLS fully loaded with ABS and traction control too for under $13k, maybe even under $12k or $11k.
Good luck!
Using the Costco program, we're supposed to get $200 under invoice, dealer says invoice is 16,063 bringing Costco price to 15,863, less $1500 rebate gets him to $14,363, which comes to 84.8% of MSRP. So my question is, where are these deals coming up with the extra 20% or more off MSRP, and how do I get one like it? Are the invoices just fiction, are the holdbacks and dealer incentives that much? Can I at least expect to not pay the advertising fee?
One last question, does anyone know what the August incentives will be for Elantras, or when they will be announced?
Thamks everyone for your help!
The GLS automatic still even had the protective plastic wrap on the body panels and carpet when I found it in the back lot and told the salesman I wanted it before dealer profit packs were installed.
The super low priced deals were advertised in the newspaper. I don't know how many cars either dealer was willing to sell at the low prices. The ad car had already been sold each time. I was lucky they made me as good a deal on a substitute car with the equipment I really wanted... not a stripper.
I also bought a new Kia van (ad special substitute) which was obtained by my dealer from another. Paid 66% of dealer asking price for that one. That was 68% of $24020 MSRP. I paid $800 more than the already sold advertised loss leader that time. (66% plus tax license and $350 document fee.)
The Hyundai Special Offers page has been updated; their offers now run through Sept. 5. Their rebate on the Elantra used to be $1500 I think; now it's down to $1250.
Using the Costco program, we're supposed to get $200 under invoice,
Where did you get that figure ($200 under invoice)? Is it on the website somewhere? I looked but couldn't find that information.
I have been thinking about getting either a Civic or Elantra and am tempted towards the elantra because of the 2.0 ltr engine. I have been offered a 05 GLS Manual hatchback for $13,000/- includes all current rebates (1250/-). has a/c,p/w,p/d,tilt steering, ABS, sunroof. Am not sure but this sounds like the Package 5 (Hyundai website) but still have to get it confirmed from the sales rep. I will be getting an additional $400/- off as I just finished my grad school.
What do you think?
Supposedly, that is the average actual price paid... Not a number to work up from.. In my experience, TMV is usually on the top end of what you would want to pay... an average deal.
TMV is not invoice... It is not the dealer cost.. It is a survey of what previous buyers have actually paid.
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He took off a $1250 rebate and some dealers incentive or something, that was just over $850. I am keeping the cavalier (daughter is approaching that age - need something to teach her on!) He threw in a cargo tray ($70). So I owe the dealer roughly $12550 plus a $7.50 temp tag fee. I go to city hall to pay taxes and etc. He said the taxes will be in the 8-900 dollar range. Plus whatever other fees city hall charges to get new plates etc. So I guess out the dealer door would be a more accurate statement. As for taxes... they would get it somehow. So, knowing that info does that seem like a good price? I am curious, like I said I have not done this in a while and hope I am getting a good deal. When it is all over, I will post with final total. PS. I forgot to mention that it is a 5 speed. I know that lowers price,but I forgot about it as thats all I have ever driven and having an auto didn't even come to mind.