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That's what my wife noticed here in the Bay Area as well, and was part of the reason she wanted a Sonata. She didn't want the same car that everyone else was driving.
There's thousands of them...just look in the dealers' inventory lots.
Or in the service area. :P
My experience - so far - with Hyundai does not support your last remark. I've had absolutely no problems, not one single problem, or warranty issue with my 2006 Hyundai which is now 1 year old next week. Granted it's only a short time, but my last Honda had 3 warranty claims and issues during that same time frame.
No car is perfect, and after having owned a Honda, Toyota, and now a Hyundai, it's certainly no worse than either of those.
You can go back to your Honda and Toyota forum now . . .
I will not buy the new Camry because it has a lot of problems even though it was voted car of the year.
The Honda and Mazda are both lame ducks for this year. The new designs are going to be released for 2008.
And I have never posted on any other forum other than Edmunds/Hyundai.
Aren't you lucky you have had no problems:
No K-Thump in rear suspension.
No sloshing in the gas tank.
No annoying belt chime.
No front dash rattle.
Just some of the problems that have been reported to Edmunds. Maybe you should read the Edmunds Forum and be grateful you have a problem free car.
Just came from the Aquaduct racetrack in Queens NY. Walked up and down through the parking lot looking for an 06/07 Sonata and out of several hundred cars, how many Sonata's did I see...none...a big fat zero. What does that say about NYC folks. I don't know, maybe the Sonata is not such a hot car as compared to the Japanese trio.
Sal Liggieri
What gives? :confuse:
Taxes, THEN man. rebates.
Sorry for the confusion!
I bought my last car way back in 1987, my wife bought a stick shift Subaru in 1999 no problem, I testdrove a 2007 Mazda6 with stick, other manufacturers make a stick shift....why not Hyundai on the east coast?
If you bought one I'd be interested to find out what state, what month.
No rear suspension issues (mine was a later '07 model). No sloshing gas tank. No front dash rattle. And a car for thousands less and more standard features, saftey features, and by far better warranty than Accord/Camry. And the fact that I won't see the same car for every third or fourth car I pass. Sounds pretty close to "perfect" if you ask me. But if what's "hot in NYC" is what you care about, then go ahead and get what everyone else gets.
I also like the fact that Hyundai is doing a pretty good job addressing issues from its consumer. Fix for the suspension issue on older models...check. Higher profile tires for the V6 models for better ride...check. Chime noise doesn't come back on until driving faster than 6mph without seatbelt strapped...check. Black leather interior...check. Changing tracks/stations on the steering wheel...check. Option for XM radio and nav system...check. Not bad for its 2nd year, albeit later '07 models.
What was the build date on your car which I assume is the Sonata Limited?
The reason I bring up the scarcity of Sonata's in NYC is to see if I have an advantage with the dealer if they are not selling.
Where did you get the black leather interior? I canvassed at least 15 dealers in metro NY and not one had black.
Apparently the chime noise has been fixed-good.
You are the first person to state you can now change tracks/stations on the steering wheel-which is also good news.
Hyundai told me black was not available on the east coast but was on the west coast.
Obviously the build date is important, I'm glad you posted this information. The date of manufacture is on a label on the lower post between the driver's front and rear doors (you have to kneel to read it).
Can you say where you bought the car and what you paid?
Thanks for any input.
Check to make sure that the Sonata you buy has that feature--it was introduced only recently on the 2007s, along with XM radio.
How odd they never have the color. Long Island dealer-if it's Millenium beware. They have a whole bag of tricks. Such as $375 administrative fee written on the contract.
Why do they want a deposit? Because it ties you into the dealer effectively eliminating you from the market. Dealers are pushy about deposits. If you do give a deposit make it no more than $50 and hear the salesman and manager moan and squeal. It's your money. The price they quoted $21850, is this OTD less the TTL? I doubt it. There has to be some goodies in their bag to spring on you.
If you are not in a rush, tell the dealer you will wait until they have the car in their inventory available with a VIN number. Then you can deal more effectively.
I'm going to wait until the end of January. Bear in mind that the build date of the car is important to eliminate some of the problems encountered with earlier dates. You have to be careful. I was at Koeppel Hyundai last week
and they had a Sonata on the floor with a build date of June 2006.
Still playing the game.
Sal Liggieri
I just wanted to say thanks for posting your quote. You're reference point completely changed my attitude when negotiating and gave me some major perspective into the games played. Your numbers were within $100 of what I got at a dealer near the one you mentioned. I'm sure that I still got fleeced, just less so.
If this dealer isn't willing to relinquish his hold-back and ad fees, then that will put you where you are today. If they have EXACTLY what you want and you just want to get it over with, buy the car. If you have the time, you may find someone willing to save you another grand.
I bought the same car without the sun roof deflector and cargo tray for $20,770 and that was with the pearl white paint option which had a dealer invoice of $170. Others have bought the same car as you for $20,600 plus the options. This is why I am saying that you can do much better if you have the patience and can negotiate the additional fees.
I got the Platinum Edition, which only comes in silver/black combination. Here is a page I made of my Sonata that has a few pics. http://www.gainec.com/sonata/index.html
I wish I did hold out on the later 07s, but my previous car died on me just after Thanksgiving and I needed something quick. Oh, and I paid $24,005 -- absolute final price (including TTL and processing fees). I got the 2.9%/$500 rebate in lieu of the $1500 rebate because the rates are so high and I don't see it dropping anytime soon (else I could have gotten it for $23,005).
Thanks.
If the Edmunds web site wishes to show $2000 as a genuine discount because it includes $1000 manufactured to dealer compensation, they should label it as such!
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/financing/specialoffers/special_offers.aspx
Use the College Graduate and Military links at the top of that page to see the details on those rebates.
Edmunds does show $2000 total in rebates, but when you click on the link to see the details on the rebates, they clearly explain who is eligible for each rebate:
http://www.edmunds.com/incentives/RebateController?styleid=100751612&popuppage=o- n
The good news is, there is a lot of pricing info available on the web! But sometimes you have to follow a link or two to get the whole picture.
I found this:
National Special Offers for Sonata
.
Valid Date
Rebate
12/01/06~12/30/06
$1,000.00 cash to customer plus a $500.00 loyalty rebate to an existing customer.
Plus info on a financing offer.
I feel that Edmunds should only show a rebate that is applicable to everyone. It is fine to have an asterisk beside the discount amount and link folks to any special rebates. But a lot of folks are new to this excellent site and do not know how the web site operates.
I am very glad that I found this web site(that includes your helpful information). It has been very useful to me and I recommend it to everyone who is interested in autos.
Oh yes! Correction. I went back and after re reading your post and re visiting the Hyundai web site the discounts you are referring to became more clear.
It just seems to me that Hyundai and Edmunds should not make finding these rebates as hard to find as they are.
I still believe it is misleading to show a $2,000.00 rebate the way that it is presented at the Edmunds site. One gets the impression that Hyundai is offering this to everyone when they are clearly not.
What makes this particularly confusing is the fact that for someone who has been putting off making the Hyundai purchase for some time, like since last summer, when Hyundai had the GLS as there middle line and offered a $1,500.00 rebate and now the GLS is the bottom line and Hyundai is only offering a $1000.00 rebate to everyone, and they see a $2,000.00 rebate on the Edmunds web site they might think "Oh Good, Hyundai has up there rebate"........well I feel sure a smart person like you can see the possibility for confusion.
I don't know backy, but it seems to me that Pat and others monitor them fairly closely.
In any event, the other posters seem to read most of these forums and that is who I am trying to reach.
Reporting it via the HELP function is an excellent idea.
regards,
kyfdx
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Yes but you, and the other moderators, monitor this site. Do you not report these type of discrepancies,(if they are valid) to Edmunds?
If you find a discrepancy on the Edmunds site, clicking on the HELP link and reporting it is the way to go..
I appreciate the offer of more work... but, well.. let's just say I'm lazy that way....
Regards,
kyfdx
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That brings up a number of questions kyfda.
Are you folks payed to monitor these forums, or are you volunteers?
How much time must you invest to monitor the forums?
Why is it necessary for a viewer to get Edmunds to correct there website when I make nothing of a monetary gain from coming here.
The truth of the matter is that Edmunds is quite a profitable operation, that gains significantly from all the free information that is posted here by the viewing public.
While it is true I enjoy this website, I do not feel that it is my job to correct Edmunds misstatements, other than the posts that I have already made on this subject.
You do what you believe is best kyfdx.
It does not matter if you are payed or not, or how much time you put in. But I do believe that Edmunds could benefit a good deal if the mods would report any discrepancies that board members post here.
I feel Edmunds has a good board, and it is helpful for us "street people" to have it to read. But the illustration observed in my and backys posts are important information that Edmunds should be made aware of, it seems to me.
Regards,
eagle2
Keep in mind that you pay NOTHING (other than seeing ads in your peripheral vision) to get this wealth of information.
This is for the Limited with XM (audio controls on steering wheel, 55R tires, no gas sloshing, no k-thunk in rear suspension).
Is this a good deal? I'm tempted to just take it without the haggling.
Wishful thinking?
Are you tired of haggling and are you being a little optimistic about the Hyundai problems?
Yes and probably yes. I didn't haggle with this particular dealer but I did send lots of emails back and forth to others. This was the best quote I received from a dealer far away. A closer dealer said he would match the quote and also said they put in a baffle to fix the gas problem and the kit fix has been added for the k-thunk. I guess I should probably get this in writing?
Assuming these problems are indeed fixed, is $20,500 a good deal?
Why not wait till after the new year? Why would you want to buy a car that has to be repaired? Be aware of the build date of the car-make sure when you buy the car it's current.
There is a label on the driver's' side middle post that gives this information.