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I got 3 tentative quotes for cars coming in the next 2 weeks
1500 OVER MSRP
MSRP
100 over invoice.
Hopefully the last one is more than tentative
I picked up my 2005 GLS v6 with SV package Sonata in steel gray with black cloth interior. Wow.. I really like it alot. NO wonder GM is in trouble.
I got a drive-out price of 16400 for sonata GLS, which is very close to your price. (including 6% tax and 200$ document fee).
Other offers from another dealer were $285/month for a GL V6, or $315/month for a GLS SV. I think those were both 60 months. My wife wanted a particular color, so choices were limited.
http://www.fitzmall.com/carfind/search.asp?lstMake=HYUNDAI
Just got sonata today, bright silver, GLS special value package with power sunroof. 17k out of door price with Hyundai 1500 rebate in DFW, 5 k down,4.5% 3 year financing.
C. Smith
Cleveland, Wisconsin
But there's nothing written in stone that says "if you buy a car at MSRP, you got a bad deal."
This is a large Hyundai-only store and they seem to have several 2005 Sonatas left.
This is the vehicle and pricing we agreed to last night. Delivery should be this Friday. We were able to get the color and options she wanted from this local dealer, which seems pretty fortunate this late in the model year.
Basically, the dealer gave us invoice price minus the entire holdback, plus $170 doc fee: $21,218 - 665 + 170 = $20,723. Note the invoice price included $500 for advertising, as listed on the dealer's printout. Prior to purchase, I didn't have time to research if the $500 is dealer-added charge or if the manufacturer actually does charge the dealer this amount per vehicle. Anybody know?
We took the 1.9% APR plus $500 rebate. Originally, we agreed to $500 below invoice with 0% APR for 60 months and no rebate, but the sales manager goofed and that deal had expired on June 2. So he gave us the remaining $165 of holdback as a goodwill gesture.
2005 Sonata LX with:Option Pkg 15Wheel LocksRear Mud GuardsTrunk Cargo NetBright Silver MetallicBlack Leather Interior
MSRP $22,734 (I'm guessing here - don't have the exact numbers in front of me)
Price 20,553Doc Fee 170 (did not negotiate this due to the rest of the pricing being outstanding)Tax 1,243Title/Plate Transfer 23Subtotal $21,989Rebate (500)Total $21,489
This seems like a very good price on what is a solid and well-equipped vehicle. Even if we paid $500 for advertising that we didn't need to, the deal was still basically at invoice since the $665 holdback cancels out the $170 doc fee and the $500 advertising fee.
Have people been successful doing better than an 'invoice minus holdback' deal or not paying for the $500 advertising?
Other models she considered and her impressions... She considered midsize sedans and small SUVs before deciding she probably could do without the versatility of the small SUV in favor of lower price, greater comfort, and presumably lower operating costs with a sedan:
Honda Accord EX-L 4 cylinder - She really liked the car: Adequate power, Honda resale value, great fuel economy, factory-installed satellite radio which was HUGE for her. Priced about $3,500 more than the loaded Sonata LX. A close call, but I steered her toward the Sonata since she plans to keep it 4-5 years and this will reduce Sonata's resale disadvantage.Hyundai XG350L - loved the audio system and the interior luxury. Car felt a little large while driving it. I've always like both XG and Sonata, but sitting in both yesterday I wasn't as impressed with the XG as I expected to be. The leather in the XG felt/looked the same as in the Sonata, and the sound quality from the XG's Infinity stereo was not noticeably better than the Sonata's non Infinity stereo.Subaru Forester LL Bean - loved this vehicle but too pricey and not as luxurious in back-to-back comparos with the Sonata and XG350LSubaru Legacy - really nice car but way too pricey when equipped with the goodies she wanted (heated seats, leather, nice stereo, etc).Kia Sportage EX - really liked the vehicle. No major discounts right now or else might have gone with it. Salesperson was not knowledgeable about the vehicle.Honda CR-V EX with leather and heated seats. A little pricey and felt too large.
Umm.. actually yes... people have been doing way better than anything near invoice minus holdback. Not sure about why you were charged $500 for advertising. I went to 3 different Hyundai dealerships before I made my deal, and not one of them tried to get me to pay $500 for advertising. Also, the $170 documentation fee is pretty much way out of line too. I ended up paying $129 and I thought that was outrageous to pay.. In the end all that matters is that you and your mother-in-law are happy with the Sonata and that you got the color and interior that you wanted, no matter what you ended up paying. I took delivery of my 2005 Sonata 2 weeks ago, and I still really like it. I have found a couple of things that I wish were designed a little different and will note this on the comment card when Hyundai sends it to me. Anyway good luck with your new Sonata, you will be happy for your Mother-in-law as she drives around town in it.
Thanks for the feedback.
How is it that folks are doing way better than invoice minus holdback? And why haven't folks been posting about this? I didn't see anything along those lines posted in this thread.
Are there some unpublished factory-to-dealer incentives, or are dealers just taking losses to get rid of these '05 Sonatas since the '06 units are already rolling in?
I know the $170 doc fee was outrageous but I didn't balk because I felt we were getting an excellent deal. Now it appears that may not be the case.
We could still back out of the deal and demand something better (haven't signed the purchase paperwork yet), but at this point my mother-in-law is happy with the car and the deal and there's no point in doing that.
To be clear, you are saying that folks have been getting prices better than Invoice minus Holdback minus Current Rebates?
I guess my first question is why are you only getting a $500 rebate? The current rebate on the LX model is $1750 from 6/1-7/4. I don't see any factory financing for 1.9% listed. Is this something you are getting from the dealership and they are withholding $1250 of the factory rebate because of their financing? Secondly, the $500 you are being charged for advertising raises a red flag. I can only go by my experience, but I researched this forum prior to buying my Sonata, went to 3 different dealerships here in Wisconsin (across the lake from you) and no-one had a $500 advertising charge. Is that standard for all of the dealerships in your area? I don't know.. it just seems that you could walk away with a 2005 for better than basically invoice price. Like I said, if you are happy with your choice and they have the color and the financing is good for you.. I'm happy for you. I would just ask them what's up with only the $500 rebate and if they can eat the $500 advertising cost.
Since this was my mother-in-law's vehicle purchase, not my own, I didn't spend as much time digging/researching/comparing/price-quoting/negotiating as I normally would.
EDIT: Ok, just checked edmunds.com. They show $1750 rebate on 2005 LX 6/1/05-7/4/05. Then checked hyundaiusa.com and they finally are showing incentive info. Over the weekend, they had nothing posted. They show $1750 rebate OR 1.9% APR + $500 rebate.
EDIT #2: I think I'm confusing myself. It was getting late (10pm) when we were at the dealer. The sales mgr told us the $2,000 rebate expired on 6/2/05 and the new offers were $1750 OR 1.9% + $500. At least I think that's what he said. And borrowing the full cost of the vehicle (yes, I know the poor initial equity position of buying a Hyundai with $0 down), the 1.9% + $500 was cheaper than $1750 + our alternative rate of 4.9%.
Hi,
Just looked on hyundaiusa.com and I see the 1.9% + $500 rebate information also now. If you are borrowing the full cost of the vehicle you won't have as much bargaining leverage as you mentioned. I still would ask what's up with the $500 advertising charge. If the Sonata you have chosen is the color and options you want, and no other dealerships have that combination, you have to go with what you can get that makes your Mother-in-law happy.
If borrowing the full $21,989-- the 1.9% APR saves $1,770 over 60 months vs. 4.9%. So it is worth taking 1.9% plus $500 vs. $1750 and 4.9%.
I may have her ask about the advertising fee but she probably doesn't feel like it. She is burned out from the whole buying process.
Thanks for your help.
(1) $229 * 60 months with $5000 down payment
(2) $289 * 60 months with $2000 down payment
Because I don't have much credit history in USA, they gave me 5.9% APR and 1750 rebate from MSRP.
But the price seems too much for me and one of managers was nightmare (Also, they don't have color I'm looking for).
Does anyone have better offer than mine around boston area?
Please give me suggestions.
Thanks
The local yocal I tried to buy from thought he had a "homerun" because I was referred by someone who leased a car through him. All he wanted to do was play with the numbers to make the monthly payment "X", even checking to see if 60 months could become 63 months. Add 3 months of payments and see what the salesman expected me to pay. Salesman wouldn't give me a price for the car. After wasting 1.5 hours of my time, I left. That was on a Tuesday. On Thursday I made contact with a salesman in Naple, FL.. He was tied up with end of month stuff & said he'd fax me a price on Monday.
Monday morning, around 10AM I had a faxed quote. Within minutes the dealer called. We closed the deal over the telephone within 15 minutes. 8 days later I flew to beautiful southwest FL picked up my new Sonata GLS SV and spent a couple days visiting my parents. Round trip transportation & one night on the road was $302, so I saved about $1200 by buying in Naples rather than in CT.
I got them down to invoice(19,280) + 500(advertising) + 295 dealer processing + taxes-+ tags MINUS 784(cost of sunroof since I told them I don't really want one). ALso thrown in is free oil changes and yearly state inspections. Would you take it?
sticker price with additional features/charges was $19992. Base model price was approximately $18800 before tax and license.
purchased in Puente Hills Hyundai, CA.
I got my GLS for 18,791 "out the door". Included is 4 oil changes ,yearly state inspections and full tank of gas.
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MSRP $22528
Invoice $20429
Disc -$1750
Hynd Owner -$1000
1999 Sonata GLS 100k miles $2200 (hard to estimate, as it's a trade-in)
?Extra off $800
Total w/o taxes: $14650
Taxes/fees $1100
Grand total: $15750
Good deal? Suggestions welcome. I'm about to buy in 2 days.
Thanks.
In April I bought an '05 GLS SV (no options) for $17916 out the door, including taxes, reg & fees to Connecticut for out of state purchase ($90). This was no trade, no Hyundai owner loyalty, just what was the standard $1500 rebate at the time. LX rebate was $2,000. I wanted heated seats, didn't care about leather or power driver seat or ABS. List was $19594.
Any way, sounds like you've got a real good deal. MAYBE you could do a bit better elsewhere, but by how much? The car has what you want & the price is good. Go for it!
P.S. I'm 100% satisfied after 2.5 months and about 2600 miles. Good luck with your new Sonata LX!
Could you please let me know which dealership you purchased the 2006 Sonata GLS? I have been quoted a figure of ~21000 for this model at a NY dealer.
Ajay
It included having the manager come and hem and haw over the how he couldn't go any lower and the great deal I was getting, which I'm sure was a fair deal, but not what I wanted.
To their chagrin and after he kept talking as he knew I was going to leave to keep me in the dealership, I went home and decided to stop by another dealership about 1 mile from my home. The had closed about 1 hour prior, but I ran into the general sales manager closing down the lot. He reopened the dealership and we went and negotiated for about 45 minutes until we came to a price that I wanted.
You'd think I made him name his 3rd born after me by the way he acted when he gave me that price, but I'm sure it goes with the territory of selling cars. I got the "here's the computer screen I'm not supposed to show you" and "I'm losing $800 on this car", but in all fairness that's what I expected and I was very pleased about how we mostly cut the to the chase and negotiated a price.
I was hoping to get input from this forum to see if the price we came to was at the reasonable low end of what people have been paying.
Anyway, if this is the car we end up getting, I'll be very happy with it.
-Alan
thanks for the reply........ looks like i missed a great deal!!
How do you like the car?
my dealer tells me all hyundai sonatas are now being sold ~1K above the sticker price. Would you believe that ?