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John
Thanks
Any help would be appreciated!
--Robert
It's not a TSB - it's actually a recall. The relevant summary is below:
Make: CADILLAC, OLDSMOBILE
Model: ELDORADO, SEVILLE, AURORA
Type: ANY
Year: 1996
Recall Number: 04V110000
Summary:
SOME PASSENGER VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH 4.0L V8 ENGINES HAVE A CONDITION IN WHICH THE NYLON TUBING USED IN THE FUEL RAIL CONSTRUCTION MAY DEGRADE AND CRACK. ADDITIONALLY, THE 1995 MODEL YEAR USES A UNIQUE UNDERHOOD FUEL RETURN LINE THAT MAY CRACK. CRACKING OF THE FUEL RAIL OR RETURN LINE TUBING CAN RESULT IN A FUEL LEAK INTO THE ENGINE COMPARTMENT.
Consequence:
FUEL LEAKAGE, IN THE PRESENCE OF AN IGNITION SOURCE, COULD RESULT IN A FIRE.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL INSPECT AND, IF NECESSARY, REPLACE THE ENGINE FUEL RAIL WITH A NEW STAINLESS STEEL FUEL RAIL. DEALERS WILL ALSO INSTALL A REVISED CHASSIS FUEL RETURN LINE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON JUNE 2, 2004, FOR 1996-1997 OLDSMOBILE AURORA VEHICLES. OWNERS OF 1995 CADILLACS AND 1996-1997 OLDSMOBILE AURORA WERE SENT LETTERS ON AUGUST 6, 2004. ADDITIONAL LETTERS TO OWNERS WILL BE FORTHCOMING. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT OLDSMOBILE AT 1-800-630-6537.
Notes:
GM RECALL NO. 04014. CUSTOMERS CAN ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION'S AUTO SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-DASH-2-DOT (1-888-327-4236).
I would be vigilant and INSIST that they call GM TAC regarding this issue, and not let it slide...
Do you know anything about the "driving through water" theory? The owners manual says "If you drive too quickly through eep puddles or standing water, water can come in through your engine's air intake and badly damage your engine. Never derive through water that isslightly lower thatn the underbody of your vehicle. If you can't aoid deep puddles or standing water, drive through them very slowly". I'm wondering if this is the problem.
Thanks again for your quick response.
Water Pump 50
Gasket upper 10
Gasket lower 10
Gasket housing cover 10
Water pump removal socket(specialty tool) 30
Turns out it was leaking from the weep hole in the water pump. The leaking coolant really seized it in the housing. This water pump is basically just a big twist lock. No bolts holding it in, very weird design. No more leak, pretty simple fix, but a little tricky breaking the twist lock loose on the old water pump. Hope this helps someone out. Did not need the upper and lower gaskets.
Thanks,
John
--Robert
Thanks for the info. As much as I love this car, I would sell it before I dump $2000+ grand on this repair. it just does not make economic sense to spend that kind of money on a 9 year old car with 100,000 on the clock. Will wait to see how things progress.......
--Robert
$316.51 to replace the FPR? Wow, that's insane. I would not visit that dealer again/would call up the service manager and complain - that's literally a 5-minute job, and a $50 or less part. $655 for plugs and wires?!?!? I think the parts alone were just over $100, and it was literally a 45-minute job to do that and the FPR. I used .050 for the gap and the car is running fine.
Have you removed the air filter and MAF tube, and looked at the throttle body? For whatever reason, the throttle body on Northstars tends to get gummed up with crud. Would strongly suggest getting a $2 can of throttle-body cleaner (do NOT use carb cleaner), spraying it in there, and wiping it down. You can actuate the butterfly valve manually. If it's really bad, you may need to remove the whole assembly and clean it up.
Did you drive through a deep standing pool of water or something, since you brought that up? If not, I would not think that's the case - would purse the throttle body and coil pack ideas, once you've confirmed the plugs and wires...
--Robert
My right back passenger door power window mechanism went south last week...$440 later for a new assembly (the cable broke) installed later...and now the door lights don't work. But it is my wife's car so I don't know if the lights were not working prior to this or not. I took a quick look at the door switches for the lights but I didn't see any. I need to find the time to figure out where they are located.
There is a fusebox under the back seat by the battery (I just replaced the battery..it wen't bad on Thanksgiving day)
Took it in and apparently it was in some planetary type gear in the differential type setup..$2k later and it is fixed. They had to ship the unit to Salt Lake City (we live in Boise, Idaho) for overhaul and they shipped back the bad parts and it was definitely bad. There was a gear and a bunch of needle bearings and such...
I love driving the car, my wife loves driving the car..but hate the maintence we are beginning to see...tranny, air conditioning leak (2 years ago), delamination of the front window post covers, light lense fell off drivers door, transmission problems, battery, right rear window wouldn't go up ($440 to fix..bad cable assembly) and the steering kind of clunks which I had checked out and told it is in the steering mechanism which requires lubrication. It is much more prevalant in cold weather. Other than that...great car...and only 43k miles on it. It shouldn't have ANY problems with this mileage on it. After my nightmare with our 1999 Grand Prix money pit, I am afraid of GM cars now. It had a tranny go out (2300 dollars), the a/c blower resistor pack go out, the a/c blower go out, the radio lights are possessed, the plastic intake manifold plenum cracked (600 dollars), all four door interior panels falling off (those cheesy little plastic stick on things to hold the panels in are too cheap..replace under warranty once...now I will have to pay), and delamination of the vinyl from the armrests on the doors. But we like how it drives overall. Maybe the Aurora will be a little bit like the Grand Prix in that after all that work was done, it has been a pretty reliable car. The GP has 85K miles on now. My best vehicle...my 1971 Volkswagen camper bus. Easy to work on and reliable. Just no heat or air conditioning..or power.
Is this advisable to do?
To me it looks like a gimmick to try and get someone to buy a overpriced battery. I drove VW's for years which had not battery vents...it looks gimmicky to me. The warning talks about the rear seat belt restraint system and such...baloney.
And it would seem certain that there could be a problem of using older coolant with todays newer components. You certainly wouldn't use SC,SD,SE,SF oil in your Aurora.
I would lean towards one of the newer coolants that claim they are compatible with anything, but then who knows if that is just a sales gimmick betting they'd never get sued.
Still, I'd have more confidence in that than something designed for much older vehicles.
I did recover a few globules from the reservoir. Wasn't brown, more like a black, but not diesel black like in the Buick. Since what is in the Aurora has less than half the time of the Buick, maybe more time will tell. Also had a significant leak by the crossover loosing a quart every couple of thousand miles. Probably added close to 3 gallons of 50/50 since the change. I managed to tighten a bolt a little and slow it, or else there is another leak. That is one of the things with a coolant system. Plug one and another shows with the increase. In the old days of metal radiators, often a slip-shod mechanic would punch a tiny pinhole in the radiator. No recovery back then and cooler engines so you'd never see the leak of steam venting pressure unless you looked closely.
Look at it this way. Would your drive around with open gas cans or a bunch of fireworks in your backseat?
If the DexCool is maintained and replaced regularly it's better for the longevity than the green stuff.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Agree 100%, especially when there are documented head gasket and other problems with the "green coolant" and aluminum engines...
Toyota was said to, paraphrasing, be kicking their [non-permissible content removed]. So they either build better or they will close. I visited the Corvette assembly line about 15 years ago. Don't know what they were paid but purportedly very good wages. 90% of the time they were standing waiting for the next part. It looked like the most technical was the dozen mechanics at the end of the line. Each car got about a two minute run-up and if not satisfactory they worked on them. One was making horrible noise like bad wrist pin or rod bearing. I asked the mechanic if they'd put another motor in it. He said no, they'd fix it. Personally, I wouldn't want that car. I'd want a motor that had gone through entire batch of runup tests and not repaired before it left the plant.
What they really need is a enclosed battery box...cheap and actually more effective in my view.
If you read the warning on the OEM battery, it talks about protecting the seat belt "system". Seems pretty weak to me.
Anyway...this is what Popular Mechanics says...
REMOTE ACCESS
I just bought a Saturn Ion. The battery is mounted in the trunk next to the spare. Why? Is this safe? Don't batteries give off hydrogen gas? There's no ventilation in the trunk.
HARRY HOSLER
CIRCLEVILLE, OH
There are any number of vehicles on the road with the battery mounted someplace other than the engine compartment. VW Beetles have had the battery mounted under the rear seat since before World War II. There isn't really enough hydrogen produced, especially with modern battery technology, to produce a fire or explosion hazard. Any car with a trunk-mounted battery will have either a vented battery box or a battery that doesn't vent hydrogen. The advantage? More room in the engine compartment. As a secondary advantage, the battery should last a lot longer separated from the heat underhood. Also, front-heavy vehicles can benefit from moving the weight to the rear.
A disadvantage would be the increased voltage drop in the battery cable caused by the longer wire run. This can be compensated for by upgrading the gauge of the cable. Downside: The positive battery cable for your Ion lists for $128. Ouch. Just be sure to maintain your battery clamps. They'll be easy to ignore hidden out of sight back there.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/sub_care_clinic/1272181.html?page=2&c=y
Is this a reasonable period or should it be done sooner i.e. annually? I don't buy that 100k lifespan stuff...too much crap and contamination (dirt, metallic material, etc) can flow through the system in my view.
The entire lighting system..headlights, interior lights, dash lights, everything lights as far as we can tell, do a momentary flicker just once. This has been going on since we owned the car...we bought it at 5300 miles on it.
A leaking fuel pressure regulator can manifest itself with several symptoms. Backfiring and hesitation are among them. Replacement is a 10-minute job; ACDelco FPR can be had for about $50 mail order. Don't delay; backfire in my '97 caused an underhood fire.
Has your fuel rail been replaced under the safety recall program? I have seen different part numbers for FPR depending on (old) plastic or (new) stainless steel fuel rail.
Les
THE (ABS) LIGHT REMAINS ON & THE TRACTION CONTROL LIGHT STAYS ON ALL THE TIME ALSO...
THE BRAKES/ROTORS ARE FINE..
THERE WAS SLIGHT PULSATING ON THE FRONT BRAKES, BEFORE I CHANGED THEM..HOWEVER THE (ABS) & TRACTION CONTROL LIGHTS BEGAN TO STAY CONSTANTLY LONG BEFORE I NEEDED BRAKES..
ANY SUGGESTIONS?
If that were problem.
Coming on at beginning and staying on sounds potentially serious. But then it might just be part of the check bulb circuitry.
--Robert
The car just recently passed inspection about 3 weeks ago. Needed a fuel pump and rotors all the way around. I got a OE rebuilt pump and not the whole module. Gauge is still a little wacky but not sure how it is really working.
Car ran alright for a few hundred miles or so. I was told there was a code for a oxygen sensor in the car. It was cleared and the car passed emmissions and inspection. The next day light came on. Took it to my mechanic. Code P0300 random multiple cylinder missfire. Car was running alright so I said I would deal with it for right now. But eventually the car got worse and lost all it's power again.
It was fine until we got the first cold day. It started up then was really rocky out of the drive way. Got to the top of the hill and it died on me about a mile away from my house. I had to walk home with my 2 younge kids and it sucked. Called a friend we went up to the car. It wouldn't start. We got some starting fluid and it started up. I had to keep it ideling with my foot on the pedal or it would die. Barley got it home. It has no power at all. Feels like a 1 cylinder.
When the temp is warm out it fires right up and wants to run it seems. I get a very loud popping like a gun shot when I let the car sit for awhile and try and start it. Doesn't happen everytime but scares the hell out of you. My hood area actully moves when this happens. Then the next time I turn the key it fires up strong. But won't
start at all in the cold unless your lucky to get it before the battery dies.
I had the hood open the other day and my son was looking at the egine and said he saw sparks near the coil pack area. I did see a small bit of smoke in that area. I just got a tune up not even 3,000 miles ago. I pulled a plug yesterday and it was heavily blackened with carbon.
Any thoughts guys. It's getting old throwing parts at this problem. It could be so many things. I think it's the coil packs or the injectors. The light would periodically go out when I filled up with a full tank or if I ran injector cleaner. But it was all just a tempory fix. Gas mileage is down about 33% to about 12.5 per gallon.
If anyone has seen this problem before. Let me know what you did to try and cure it.
Thanks Jeremy
Thanks Jeremy
The symptoms you describe are more severe than what I have read about or experienced, but I believe your problem is a leaking fuel pressure regulator. See #3059 in this discussion and search archives for FPR. In addition to what I have posted before, a backfire can dislodge the PCV pipe, which could cause additional drivability problems.
Les
After six years of worrying about this, I have finally accepted it. I have replaced the thermostat and radiator and cleared all leaves, etc. from the radiator -- nothing helped. If the lower air deflector is missing, that can cause about 12 to 16 dgree increase. I have found that the temp gauge is often lower with the AC on. Counter intuitive, but the fans are always on with AC, and not on without AC until coolant temp reaches ~227.
All my previous cars ran at the thermostat setting when everything was OK. That is what I expected with my '97. I suspect that perhaps the temp sensor is in a different location from my previous cars. Or maybe it just runs hot.
Les
I don't have the right plugs and wires on the car. I got bosch wires and plus 4 plugs. The plugs are really carboned. They have less than 3,000 miles on them. Should I try and clean them some how or replace with ac delco platinum plugs.
Thanks for the help. If you could let me know If what I was looking at was the fpr I would appreciate it.
Jeremy
From your description I'd say you have located it. If you pull the clip out, the FPR will be released. Careful, there's fuel under pressure there unless leaking has bled the pressure down. When my fuel rail was replaced, the dealership reinstalled my existing FPR; this practice may vary.
If your FPR is leaking, there will be fuel in the line you mention. It goes directly into the intake manifold, dumping excess gasoline which leads to a rich mixture resulting in various problems such as hard-to-start, stalling, backfires, lower fuel mileage, etc.
Although you will see strong recommendations on this board to use only ACDelco parts, I have a hard time believing use of bosch parts would cause such severe symptoms after only 3000 miles.
I would pull the hose off the FPR to check for presence of gasoline. If it is there, then the FPR is leaking and should be replaced. If not, then it may be the coil(s). Did you mention sparking in an earlier post? Take a look in the dark with engine running. I think the coils are about $40 each.
Les