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Mazda6 Sedan

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  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    I wonder how big the Camry and Accord will eventually get, since each "redesign" they brag how much "bigger" they are. Soon, they will be as big as a 76 Olds 88!

    At least the Mazda 6 is not turning into a boat.
  • ickesickes Posts: 82
    I wouldn't think an Accord would be priced much over 26K or 27K. Otherwise, it bumps into the almost fully loaded Acura TL at 28K.

    I hope they keep the "6" around 25K nearly fully loaded. The 5-door really has my interest if I can get one with a V-6, 5-spd., and cloth seats.
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    Supposedly, the 03 Accord is to be "dramatically" styled anb bigger. How much bigger an it get before it's called a "full size car", the kiss of death for Baby Boomers!
  • I have to assume that the folks at Mazda understand that there are still driving enthusiasts in the USA, and will allow us to spec out a V6 with a manual tranny and cloth seats, instead of assuming we want leather and an automatic to go with the V6.
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    I think they are going to have a MTX/V6 available. I just want to see the car, but I have to wait for the Chicago Auto Show!
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    check out the Accord board for some mag-x artist renderings... yes, they are only renderings, but these folks from across the Pacific were dead on with their drawings of the 02 Camry. and if those pictures are true, I would hardly call the new Accord "dramatically styled". I think that the Altima, joined by the "6" (dumbest vehicle name EVER!) will be the most exciting cars in the class, offering more for the enthusiast than the Camry/Accord vanilla duo. That said, the Camry and Accord will remain the quintesential top performing overall family cars, IMHO.
    ~alpha
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    The drawings look blah, except for the front. It has the new Civic's boring rear doors too.

    But, I am sure it will sell since they will say how much bigger it is.

    However, I think the 6 will do real well too! '626' was so "80's" sounding, :\
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    The reason for the name mazda 6 is for brand image...Actually they will eventually call every car line with just one number. mazda 4, mazda 5 etc...

    according to the marketing guru's at mazda it forces the person to say the name "Mazda" when mentioning the car.
    Nobody will say "I drive a 6" They will say "I drive a Mazda 6". BTW: the RX-8 will be called the Mazda 8.

    Rich
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    John: if they add the 225hp engine, side curtain air bags, and stability control, plus factor inflation...

    I guess the question is how far will they go? If the EX-V6 does not offer all three of these, prices will be lower.

    Rich: interesting story on the names.

    I think the catch is people will think all Mazda 6s have a V6 engine, and the 8 will have a V8, and so on.

    -juice
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    Yes, I agree about the names for Mazdas. The Miata is known as just that, not "Mazda Miata".

    It depends though, some cars are remembered for their make, such as Honda Civic and Ford Mustang.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    In Miata circles I hear "MX-5" and "Eunos roadster" more often than I hear Mazda, so maybe they do have a point.

    -juice
  • Type in "Mazda 6" into any search engine and see what you get back.
  • meesrmeesr Posts: 20
    The show cars do not have the annoying Altezza taillights for North America. Thank god.

    anyone, does anyone have pics of the show cars at 2002 Detroit show???
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The web search won't yeild anything until after the car comes out, though.

    -juice
  • Sorry if any of this is repeated but I've skipped to the end. I loved the Mazda 6 and will wait to make the purchase (unless the 2003 Accord blows me away). This is what I was told by the rep. at the show:

    1. sedan due out march 2003
    2. hatchback/wagon due out june 2003
    3. priced $20-28K (leather, V6, etc.)
    4. auto/manual (6 speed!) avail. in all models.
    5. Millenium will eventually be phased out.

    I too think the 6 will be out sooner than 2003. Perhaps they want to be on the safe side for a release date vs. not making the given date. Sell all the 626s first too?! The blue sedan w/ leather interior at the show was sweet. I loved the feel of the tight 6 speed tranny too!

    I did take lots-o-photos and will try to post them soon! Stay tuned.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The MPV was promised early and got delayed, so maybe they are playing it safe. I'm not sure if I can wait until March 2003, but we'll see.

    Were you able to get in the car?

    -juice
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    We were told at the National Dealers meeting a week ago the Mazda6 will be out in late Nov 2002.
    Like any new car intro, delays are always possible.

    I ordered 2002 MPV on Monday. Current schedule for northeast. Brochures and national advertsing start on 2/11 and vehicles arrive for late Feb.
  • dsm6dsm6 Posts: 813
    Interesting that the rep at the show said 6 speed manual. The Mazda lit. that I've read says 5 speed manual, though it does say both 4 and 6 cylinder engines will get manuals with the 6 actually getting a different 5 speed than the 4. Also, the lit. I've read says the automatic will be 4 speed for the 4, and 5 speed for the 6, cylinder that is, on the 6, car that is. Too many numbers now. Gets confusing. Maybe either the rep or the folks who wrote the lit. are confused as well.
  • Yes, two of the four 6s you were able to get into! Both had leather, 1 auto, 1 manual (w/ removed shift knob). The locked 6 was the red w/ tinted windows hatch back with right side steering. The other was silver, on a rotating display and was cut in half length wise.

    I ended up asking two different reps the same questions to make sure they were accurate, which they were. Hoping for this fall too.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    the mazda press release verifies your post. No mention of any 6 speed.
  • dsm6dsm6 Posts: 813
    It would bring a nice symmetry to the name, though, eh? Much better than 5 speed 6 cylinder 6 for dsm6. How about it, Mazda? Oh, well. I may just get the 4 cylinder 5 speed 6 anyway.

    3-5-6-8 whom do we appreciate? Mazda! Mazda! Yeah!!!!

    Mazda's right: that sounds much better than "Protege-Miata-626-Rx8 ..." ;-)

    edit: I just thought of a good reason they shouldn't offer a 6-speed. Then it would be 6 6 6 , vehicle of the beast.
  • OUCH, that was funny. LOL

    We're gonna get our 6 no matter when it's released to the public. More likely the hatchback or wagon (if it's coming) with 5 speed auto (tiptronic I hope) 6 cylinder 6, so that's 5 6 6 :-)
  • otoluvaotoluva Posts: 167
    It will definitely be an interesting mach up,what do you think?
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    that the mazda 6 will be more vehicle at a higher price.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    Here is picture of them. It's from a distance, but you get the idea: http://www.detnow.com/naias2002/gallerytuesday1/p0004187.html

    Looks much better. Looks like a winner.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The V6 Altima is priced from around $23-30k, but they are being discounted already. That'll likely put the prices at the same level, and the Nissan has the edge in displacement.

    But it also has too-light steering, and some serious torque steer. We'll see how Mazda tunes theirs, but hopefully the steering will have more feedback, and the torque steer can't possibly be as bad.

    The Altima is pretty sporty, too, with 17" wheels and V-rated tires standard on the 5 speed, so Mazda has its work cut out for it.

    -juice
  • My guess is that Mazda and Nissan are going to be seriously scrapping it out for sales in the next decade. Toyota and Honda have done such a good job of appealing to the broad middle of the market that nobody is in a position to knock them off. Even if a competitor made a better car today, it would take years to win the sort of reputation for reliability and low depreciation that Accord and Camry enjoy now.

    How can competitors find a decent slice of the family sedan market? Hard to win market share by outcompeting Toyota and Honda on cost; that market is being taken over by the Koreans. That leaves both Nissan and Mazda looking for customers by focussing on the sporty, zoom-zoom side of the family sedan market. If the 6 lives up to expectations, Nissan will have to refine the Altima to keep it competitive and attractive to buyers who actually enjoy driving.

    If Mazda and Nissan go at each other that way, and if the yen stays weak against the dollar, it's gonna be fun trying to pick a car.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Bingo, you nailed it. Honda competes with Toyota, so Mazda will battle with Nissan for the sporty fringe of the mainstream.

    Koreans have taken over the value end. Subaru has the wagon/AWD niche. Mitsubishi may be in some sort of identity crisis, because IMO they share too much with Chrylser.

    -juice
  • dsm6dsm6 Posts: 813
    I too think you hit the nail right on the head, storyteller. That having been said, I've driven the new Altima (in 5 speed v6 form), and it was impressive, but it leaves room for Mazda to push into the "driver's" family car market - the Altima has some shortcomings (IMO). Like a lack of road feel - a bit out of touch with the road, and too much torque-steer, as noted above. I also didn't care much for the feel of the shifter. The car handled competently, but didn't seem particularly nimble. Maybe that's the lack of road feel combined with the car's size (I'm used to smaller cars I guess). I think Mazda could do better on many of these points. The Altima has power, though - nice and smooth. Should be fun to compare!
  • Was also told by the rep in Detroit that the Mazda 6 will appear at the Chicago and NY auto shows. Chicago is in February, NY ????
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