Mazda6 Sedan

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  • cookie01cookie01 Member Posts: 369
    Got a birthday coming up and on it's way is a very cool present!
    The hubby ordered me a Front Mask for the M6 sport.
    Can't wait!!

    when I get it I can take a few dig pictures, but I can never tell how to post them here!!!
    (Yes, I know there are directions, but they don't make sense to me.)
    Maybe I can get a buddy at work to host them at his web site...

    I'll try.

    Congrat Marla! Hope it's everything you want. I NEVER see yellow cars here, except re-painted gangsta type cars... never look good. (and yeah, the occasional Escape).
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    It'll be one nice-looking ride. I think the yellow paint Mazda uses is one of the best yellows out there. Not too orange, not too pale (Ford Foci), just about right.

    I have to admit that if I got a 6, it'd have to be in yellow and with the sport kit too. It just looks fun. It looks great on the P5 too. I give the "thumbs up" signal to yellow P5 drivers 'cause I like them so much (and they are pretty rare...I think I've seen maybe 3 in that color...lots of silver ones though).
  • mikef208mikef208 Member Posts: 69
    Both my girlfriend and I are very short. She is 5'1" maybe 5'2" and I am just a little shorter then her. Yes I know I am short. It appears to me that the armrest is part of the center console, therefore imobile, right? If I have to have the seat pretty far forward will the armrest still be in a spot where I can use it?
  • cookie01cookie01 Member Posts: 369
    I'm 5'6 and have a fairly long inseam (meaning I sit with the seat very far back) and I can barely use the armrest. It's not very usefull at all. If you need the seat up AT ALL, you'll only be using the armrest for storage.
    This bugs me a bit about the car. I like leaning on the armrest, but I can only get my elbow on this one.

    But, I've had cars that didn't even HAVE a center armrest, so I can deal with it.
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Member Posts: 854
    "well, a bonneville is midsized....." The EPA clasifies it as a 'Large Car'.

    Sure, a modded 1.8T will move out, until its coils die and it's in the shop waiting for parts from Timbuktu! VW quality = laughable.
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    Mazda announced a price increase today on the mazda6 and most other mazda products....avg increase is apx 1%...

    Rich
  • maltbmaltb Member Posts: 3,572
    during booming sales periods and high demand, that's how it goes.

    Oh wait, that time wouldn't be now. I'm confused.
  • microrepairmicrorepair Member Posts: 508
    race, trying to catch up to the end of this discussion.. I've been reading all the notes for the last 2 months and I finally MADE IT !!!

    I stopped by a local dealer the other day (in Westboro, MA) and they had a Sepang green with beige interior and no sunroof. Pretty much the car I'd want when I buy one, except it had the 4 cylinder. I did find out that if you order the Sport package, the fog lights are integrated into the headlight cluster. But if you order the separate fog light option they are installed below the bumper where real fog lights belong.. And they look better down there too.

    I haven't driven one yet but from what you all have been saying and from my experience with owning a 1988 MX-6 5-speed for 9 totally reliable and fun years, I expect this new "6" to be a clone of my MX-6 and that is GOOD... Maybe Mazda has finally returned back to their late 80's high point..

    I did pick up a brochure from the dealer and noticed that the brochure says 3 year warranty but the sales guy verified that it is now a 4 year warranty. Did anyone happen to notice the license plate on the 6's in the brochure? DBA530 Does that stand for Doing Business As (a BMW) 530 ????
    A little playfulness by Mazda perhaps??

    BTW, this dealer had about 10 6's and I noticed in last Sunday's Boston Globe that most dealers in this region are discounting heavily, at least for the base model.
  • alcjewalcjew Member Posts: 173
    vocus: If you compare a Passat GLX with a 6s you're talking over $4000 more. I think the 6s matches more closely with the GLS 2.8. But you mean a 1.8T needs a $300 chip just to keep up with a stock 6s? What happens to the 1.8T w/a chip running against a 6s w/a chip? You see nothing but the back of the Mazda emblem as it gets smaller pulling away. And I hope don't mean a 1.8T in a GLX because it only comes in the GL's & GLS's.
  • venus537venus537 Member Posts: 1,443
    the 1.8t (w/no chipping) in the jetta can more than keep up the mazda 6s. the 6s is no slouch but its power and gas mileage is a little disappointing.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    The stock 1.8 in the Passat will more than keep up with the 6s, which is slow as 'venus537' said. I drove a 6s and a 6i, both automatic, vs. owning a 1.8T auto Jetta and driving a 1.8T Passat auto. If you chip the 1.8, the 6 will be the one left, by a LONG shot. Also, the EPA ratings on the 6 are low with the V6 as well...
  • ruefusruefus Member Posts: 254
    "Mazda announced a price increase today on the mazda6 and most other mazda products....avg increase is aprx 1%..."

    "during booming sales periods and high demand, that's how it goes.

    Oh wait, that time wouldn't be now. I'm confused."

    Higher material costs = higher prices regardless of the climate. Mazda isn't even close to alone:

    The Chrysler group raised stickers an average of $118 in March on Chryslers, Dodge cars and Caravans, and Jeeps....

    It was the Chrysler group's seventh price increase of the 2003 model year. Ford Motor Co. has raised prices six times in the current model year, and General Motors has done it five times.

    Elsewhere, Toyota Division raised prices an average of $72 on its 2003 cars and light trucks.
  • mazdamarlamazdamarla Member Posts: 350
    So if I ordered mine Monday night (March 31) and the dealership guy said he put it in the computer, it's just waiting for their next allocation which is next week, and we both signed the purchase contract with the "old" price, is that the price I'll pay? Or will my price go up?

    Or - is Supplier Pricing not affected by this increase at all anyway, and I don't have anything to worry about?
  • regfootballregfootball Member Posts: 2,166
    hey, MSRP's are just a joke anyways. Look at GM. MSRP's don't even matter. How much is the incentive? That's all that matters.

    Doubt that an MSRP increase will have any effect on 'market value'.
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Member Posts: 1,583
    a titanium gray w/o body kit, and riding on hubcaps(!). this time it was REALLY close to where I live :-)

    even in base appearance trim it looks GOOD :-)
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    That's a pretty poor attempt at a put down, especially coming from someone who owns a car with a VW engine.

    Also, I don't know what you mean by "more than keep up with" because the Mazda6S manual is faster than a 1.8T Jetta. Sure, you can chip the Jetta, but there goes your warranty......and you're going to NEED that warranty. I have read the letter from VW regarding chipping, and I wouldn't take my chances while my car was under warranty if I owned a VW.

    Besides, the V6 in the Mazda 6 is better than that lump of a V6 they put in the Passat.

    "The stock 1.8 in the Passat will more than keep up with the 6s, which is slow as 'venus537' said."

    Huh? A Mazda6s manual will dust any Passat, V6 or 1.8T. Magazines clock the Mazda6s manual 0-60 anywhere between 6.5-6.8 seconds. Are you guys just talking out of your.......?
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    You can chip the car and not have your warranty voided. I know people who have done it for years. It's just who you know, that's all.

    Ever driven a 1.8T chipped Passat stick? Until you do, and time both of them, then you can't compare.

    And referring to the 'Ford engine' comment, even though I didn't make it: Show me a Ford engine on the Ward's 10 Best Engines list. Is the Duratec there? The 1.8T is...
  • cookie01cookie01 Member Posts: 369
    one breaks, they fix it. But they won't fix the others, even tho they KNOW they're gonna go too.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    "The stock 1.8 in the Passat will more than keep up with the 6s"

    You said "stock". When you say "more than keep up with" I figure you are saying that a Passat 1.8T will beat the Mazda6s. When you "keep up" with a car in a race, you are either tied, or not too far behind. When you "more than keep up with", you are beating the other car. The Passat 1.8T will not beat a Mazda6s. Try again.

    "You can chip the car and not have your warranty voided. I know people who have done it for years. It's just who you know, that's all."

    Oh really? VW says you can't. I trust what VW says over what the people that you know say. If you have to take chances like that just to beat a Mazda6s, why not just buy a Mazda6s and forget about the chip?

    "Show me a Ford engine on the Ward's 10 Best Engines list. Is the Duratec there? The 1.8T is..."

    Show me a VW that gets a better than average rating for reliability. I don't really care about Wards 10 best list in this case because the Mazda6 is a better car than the Passat or Jetta IMO regardless of which engine is chosen.
  • kenokakenoka Member Posts: 218
    4014 Mazda6es sold for the month of March. Looks like the flock...er, the public is finally starting to come around.
  • maltbmaltb Member Posts: 3,572
    nevermind
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    :-)
  • mikef208mikef208 Member Posts: 69
    I saw in another thread that you had a PDF for Splan options pricing for the 6. I was wondering if you could possiblly email that to me.

    I appologize for the off topic post here, but I was afraid you would not go back to reading the other thread.

    Email-mikef208@yahoo.com
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    "but the Element..." Still outsold the 6.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    The Passat does.

    I am also anxious to see how the '6 does in a crash test.

    I would also pick a Passat based on a safety factor that you can get ESP and rear headrests, two things the '6 (even though it's an all new model and the Passat is 5 years old) don't even offer.
  • mpiatekmpiatek Member Posts: 68
    Today I found out when my Mazda6 will be delivered. The sales manager said that the delivery is scheduled for the 2nd week of May. He thought it might end up coming the 3rd week of May though since the May 1st is on a Thursday, making the 1st week a short 3 day week. Anyway, if it comes the 3rd week of May, that will be about 9 weeks for delivery.

    A lot better than having to wait 12 weeks, but it looks like 6-8 week estimates are a little optimistic.

    Mike
  • mpiatekmpiatek Member Posts: 68
    mazdamarla: I asked my dealer about the price increase, and he said that it shouldn't affect my order. It will only affect cars ordered after they upped the prices.

    Mike
  • maltbmaltb Member Posts: 3,572
    I never doubted you Gee.

    *sigh*
  • beanboybeanboy Member Posts: 442
    Ayup, those rear headrests clinch the deal for me... ; )

    The 6 is much more of a driver's car than a Passat (or any other current VW for that matter) will ever be, even if the Passat can go faster in a straight line. What times are chipped Passats running anyway? Both of them weigh the same, and the chipped Passat is down on HP but way up on torque over the 6 (207/245 versus 220/192).

    With all of the low-end torque the VW can produce, it certainly may feel faster and "better" on a test drive, but the numbers are decent for the 6, even if it doesn't feel it. Not saying that how it feels is not important, in fact it is probably more important, but it certainly isn't slow.

    Add in the other factors that make the 6 such great car to drive, and it certainly moves to the front of the compact/mid-size class in terms of overall performance, with nothing else really all that close.

    -B
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    The Passat does what? Score better than average in reliability? It has a solid white circle in CR. The rest of the VWs have black dots. I don't think there is another manufacturer that scores so poorly as a whole than VW.....according to CR.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    "even if the Passat can go faster in a straight line."

    It ISN'T faster in a straight line though. I can't believe vocus and venus have you guys thinking that.
  • ruefusruefus Member Posts: 254
    "but the Element..." Still outsold the 6.

    Well, nobody said the American consumer had taste.
  • mazdamarlamazdamarla Member Posts: 350
    Isn't there a forum here specifically designed for butt-ugly SUV talk? You know...the Aztek, the Element.......

    ;-)

    OK - back to your regularly scheduled program...
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    When the test of the 6s comes out in the May CR, we will know which one is faster.

    In addition, you are comparing a brand new car to one that's a 5 year old design here. Note that the older design is only one step behind (if that) on CR's scale...

    Also, is Mazda planning to offer ESP on the '6 any time soon?
  • beanboybeanboy Member Posts: 442
    It isn't stock, I know. Trust me, vocus has found it very hard pressed to convince me of anything, tehe.

    I was giving the naysayers the benefit of the doubt, and let them include a chipped 1.8T Passat for comparision sake.

    The numbers I eluded to for the Passat was with a chip, couldn't find any acceleration numbers yet. Until I do, there is a chance that a chipped Passat 1.8T is faster, although not by much.

    Stock? Forget about it. A Taurus with an automatic can outrun a manual 1.8T Passat, tehe.

    -B
  • mazdamarlamazdamarla Member Posts: 350
    ESP?
  • capitanocapitano Member Posts: 509
    That's what we used to call the Passat in Germany. Something was always going wrong, something had always happened (passiert) to the car. To be fair it was the previous generation, but it was still a loser.

    What I don't get is how the Passiert and other VWs (incl Audis) can get so much praise for their interiors and "build quality" and still have so many reliability problems. To me it should follow that if a car is well built it should be reliable.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    ESP = Electronic Stabilization Program

    The latest technology in accident avoidance. The Camry has it as an option now. All VW models from the most basic Golf to the most loaded Passat have it available (or standard in some cases). Mazda came out with an all-new car, in which it offers this option to other markets, but didn't offer it here. Why?
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    Interior ambience and workmanship are 2 different things, maybe that's how.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    "When the test of the 6s comes out in the May CR, we will know which one is faster."

    Why wait for that test when there already are tests by reputable magazines that show that the Mazda6 is faster?

    And ESP? Who cares? Having or not having that option available isn't a deal breaker to me. Besides, that's one more electronic doo-dad to fail on a VW.
  • buggywhipbuggywhip Member Posts: 188
    The March sales figures for the 6 are encouraging. Over 4000 units is a great improvement over the prev month. 70k/yr is easily do-able...........I think, however, that the 6 is being heavily discounted, at least compared to the Camr/Acc/Alt. I do NOT think people are going to the 6 first; they're checking it out after sticker shock from the other guys. So is the 6 being viewed as a bargain-basement last-ditch Japanese sedan?? I hope not. I want the car to stand on its own..........in my area, a base 6 is being advertised for $16.5k. Fat chance finding a CamAccAlt at that price...............on another topic, is anyone opposed (like me) to the 2.3L engine becoming the standard econobox Focus engine now? (It's standard here in MA, and soon everywhere.) Don't you think it will dilute the 6's performance image??
  • cookie01cookie01 Member Posts: 369
    I'll tell ya why. The Element has something NO OTHER vehicle made today offers.... carpet-less floors.
    If I remember correctly, when I was a care-free party girl, that option would have come in very handy.

    Spilled sodas, dumped drinks, mis-handled hot dogs... and of course, passengers who didn't quite make it all the way home (if ya know what I mean).

    It's a party car. No one else makes one! If I were 22 again. I'd give it a serious look. (plus I had a big dog then w/ muddy feet, another great reason to have a "hose out" interior.
  • capitanocapitano Member Posts: 509
    as the barfmobile. Lovely concept.
  • 03accordman03accordman Member Posts: 671
    Passat owners do realize that chipping a Passat voids the factory warranty? Especially with everything electric that can fail, failing, including coils. Or are you guys discussing just for discussionsake. How many would actually take that risk and chip their cars?

    I own an 03 Accord that I am very happy with, so I am not biased towards the 6. To an unbiased party, the 6 does look a far better car for driving enthusiasts than unreliable Passats, who are looking for a family car with 4 doors. I test drove one the other day and I can safley say that it beats anything out there with its handling, plus the power offered by the V6 is more than sufficient.
  • clemulusclemulus Member Posts: 27
    I noticed on my seventh day of ownership of a 6s, when I was traveling at 30 MPH, I went from AT to MT mode and it said I was in 4th gear. Went back into AT and I heard it shift again (5th gear) at 35 miles an hour (and at 1800 rpm). Seems very low as I am used to shifting my manual 240SX at 45/50 MPH and 3K rpm.

    Any comments?
  • auto_clownauto_clown Member Posts: 10
    Enough already! Start another board if you want to continue discussing the 6 vs VW. Quit cluttering up this board.

    Thank you.
  • maltbmaltb Member Posts: 3,572
    A co-worker asked to borrow my 6 last night in exchange for his Miata. Granted, I love the Miata as corners are nothing but joy in that car. However, after driving up to and through LA and Hollywood to get my sister, I realized how spoiled I have gotten with the ride of the 6. While the handling of the 6 does not compare with the Miata, the trade off for jaunts like that is more than worth it. When I got back in my 6 today, it was like I slipped some well fitting tennis shoes on after going a night with my running shoes.

    The benefit to the Miata in a city where parking is rare: tight turning radius. The 6 misses the mark there.
  • regfootballregfootball Member Posts: 2,166
    The 2.3L PZEV motor that is shared between the 6 and the Focus, keep in mind the Focus motor is detuned to 148hp.

    A nice upgrade for the Focus and yet still less than the 6. Classic marketing at work.

    In any case I don't mind the two cars sharing a motor. Especially if its a good one.
  • stretchsjestretchsje Member Posts: 700
    I was worried about the 6's turning radious, but haven't been bothered by it once yet, even with daily city driving.
  • venus537venus537 Member Posts: 1,443
    I stated that the Jetta (not the Passat) with the 1.8t (in stock form) will more than keep up with the Mazda 6s. The Jetta is lighter than the Passat and has 10 more hp than the Passat's turbo. The Mazda 6s engine seems to be on par with the Accord's previous v6 engine except for the gas mileage.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    "will more than keep up with"

    Not according to the mags. The Mazda6S is quicker. The Jetta might keep up with the Mazda6S, but it won't "more than keep up with" it. That's impossible because the manual Mazda6S would be ahead of the manual Jetta 1.8T in a race.
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