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The hubby ordered me a Front Mask for the M6 sport.
Can't wait!!
when I get it I can take a few dig pictures, but I can never tell how to post them here!!!
(Yes, I know there are directions, but they don't make sense to me.)
Maybe I can get a buddy at work to host them at his web site...
I'll try.
Congrat Marla! Hope it's everything you want. I NEVER see yellow cars here, except re-painted gangsta type cars... never look good. (and yeah, the occasional Escape).
I have to admit that if I got a 6, it'd have to be in yellow and with the sport kit too. It just looks fun. It looks great on the P5 too. I give the "thumbs up" signal to yellow P5 drivers 'cause I like them so much (and they are pretty rare...I think I've seen maybe 3 in that color...lots of silver ones though).
This bugs me a bit about the car. I like leaning on the armrest, but I can only get my elbow on this one.
But, I've had cars that didn't even HAVE a center armrest, so I can deal with it.
Sure, a modded 1.8T will move out, until its coils die and it's in the shop waiting for parts from Timbuktu! VW quality = laughable.
Rich
Oh wait, that time wouldn't be now. I'm confused.
I stopped by a local dealer the other day (in Westboro, MA) and they had a Sepang green with beige interior and no sunroof. Pretty much the car I'd want when I buy one, except it had the 4 cylinder. I did find out that if you order the Sport package, the fog lights are integrated into the headlight cluster. But if you order the separate fog light option they are installed below the bumper where real fog lights belong.. And they look better down there too.
I haven't driven one yet but from what you all have been saying and from my experience with owning a 1988 MX-6 5-speed for 9 totally reliable and fun years, I expect this new "6" to be a clone of my MX-6 and that is GOOD... Maybe Mazda has finally returned back to their late 80's high point..
I did pick up a brochure from the dealer and noticed that the brochure says 3 year warranty but the sales guy verified that it is now a 4 year warranty. Did anyone happen to notice the license plate on the 6's in the brochure? DBA530 Does that stand for Doing Business As (a BMW) 530 ????
A little playfulness by Mazda perhaps??
BTW, this dealer had about 10 6's and I noticed in last Sunday's Boston Globe that most dealers in this region are discounting heavily, at least for the base model.
"during booming sales periods and high demand, that's how it goes.
Oh wait, that time wouldn't be now. I'm confused."
Higher material costs = higher prices regardless of the climate. Mazda isn't even close to alone:
The Chrysler group raised stickers an average of $118 in March on Chryslers, Dodge cars and Caravans, and Jeeps....
It was the Chrysler group's seventh price increase of the 2003 model year. Ford Motor Co. has raised prices six times in the current model year, and General Motors has done it five times.
Elsewhere, Toyota Division raised prices an average of $72 on its 2003 cars and light trucks.
Or - is Supplier Pricing not affected by this increase at all anyway, and I don't have anything to worry about?
Doubt that an MSRP increase will have any effect on 'market value'.
even in base appearance trim it looks GOOD :-)
Also, I don't know what you mean by "more than keep up with" because the Mazda6S manual is faster than a 1.8T Jetta. Sure, you can chip the Jetta, but there goes your warranty......and you're going to NEED that warranty. I have read the letter from VW regarding chipping, and I wouldn't take my chances while my car was under warranty if I owned a VW.
Besides, the V6 in the Mazda 6 is better than that lump of a V6 they put in the Passat.
"The stock 1.8 in the Passat will more than keep up with the 6s, which is slow as 'venus537' said."
Huh? A Mazda6s manual will dust any Passat, V6 or 1.8T. Magazines clock the Mazda6s manual 0-60 anywhere between 6.5-6.8 seconds. Are you guys just talking out of your.......?
Ever driven a 1.8T chipped Passat stick? Until you do, and time both of them, then you can't compare.
And referring to the 'Ford engine' comment, even though I didn't make it: Show me a Ford engine on the Ward's 10 Best Engines list. Is the Duratec there? The 1.8T is...
You said "stock". When you say "more than keep up with" I figure you are saying that a Passat 1.8T will beat the Mazda6s. When you "keep up" with a car in a race, you are either tied, or not too far behind. When you "more than keep up with", you are beating the other car. The Passat 1.8T will not beat a Mazda6s. Try again.
"You can chip the car and not have your warranty voided. I know people who have done it for years. It's just who you know, that's all."
Oh really? VW says you can't. I trust what VW says over what the people that you know say. If you have to take chances like that just to beat a Mazda6s, why not just buy a Mazda6s and forget about the chip?
"Show me a Ford engine on the Ward's 10 Best Engines list. Is the Duratec there? The 1.8T is..."
Show me a VW that gets a better than average rating for reliability. I don't really care about Wards 10 best list in this case because the Mazda6 is a better car than the Passat or Jetta IMO regardless of which engine is chosen.
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I appologize for the off topic post here, but I was afraid you would not go back to reading the other thread.
Email-mikef208@yahoo.com
I am also anxious to see how the '6 does in a crash test.
I would also pick a Passat based on a safety factor that you can get ESP and rear headrests, two things the '6 (even though it's an all new model and the Passat is 5 years old) don't even offer.
A lot better than having to wait 12 weeks, but it looks like 6-8 week estimates are a little optimistic.
Mike
Mike
*sigh*
The 6 is much more of a driver's car than a Passat (or any other current VW for that matter) will ever be, even if the Passat can go faster in a straight line. What times are chipped Passats running anyway? Both of them weigh the same, and the chipped Passat is down on HP but way up on torque over the 6 (207/245 versus 220/192).
With all of the low-end torque the VW can produce, it certainly may feel faster and "better" on a test drive, but the numbers are decent for the 6, even if it doesn't feel it. Not saying that how it feels is not important, in fact it is probably more important, but it certainly isn't slow.
Add in the other factors that make the 6 such great car to drive, and it certainly moves to the front of the compact/mid-size class in terms of overall performance, with nothing else really all that close.
-B
It ISN'T faster in a straight line though. I can't believe vocus and venus have you guys thinking that.
Well, nobody said the American consumer had taste.
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OK - back to your regularly scheduled program...
In addition, you are comparing a brand new car to one that's a 5 year old design here. Note that the older design is only one step behind (if that) on CR's scale...
Also, is Mazda planning to offer ESP on the '6 any time soon?
I was giving the naysayers the benefit of the doubt, and let them include a chipped 1.8T Passat for comparision sake.
The numbers I eluded to for the Passat was with a chip, couldn't find any acceleration numbers yet. Until I do, there is a chance that a chipped Passat 1.8T is faster, although not by much.
Stock? Forget about it. A Taurus with an automatic can outrun a manual 1.8T Passat, tehe.
-B
What I don't get is how the Passiert and other VWs (incl Audis) can get so much praise for their interiors and "build quality" and still have so many reliability problems. To me it should follow that if a car is well built it should be reliable.
The latest technology in accident avoidance. The Camry has it as an option now. All VW models from the most basic Golf to the most loaded Passat have it available (or standard in some cases). Mazda came out with an all-new car, in which it offers this option to other markets, but didn't offer it here. Why?
Why wait for that test when there already are tests by reputable magazines that show that the Mazda6 is faster?
And ESP? Who cares? Having or not having that option available isn't a deal breaker to me. Besides, that's one more electronic doo-dad to fail on a VW.
If I remember correctly, when I was a care-free party girl, that option would have come in very handy.
Spilled sodas, dumped drinks, mis-handled hot dogs... and of course, passengers who didn't quite make it all the way home (if ya know what I mean).
It's a party car. No one else makes one! If I were 22 again. I'd give it a serious look. (plus I had a big dog then w/ muddy feet, another great reason to have a "hose out" interior.
I own an 03 Accord that I am very happy with, so I am not biased towards the 6. To an unbiased party, the 6 does look a far better car for driving enthusiasts than unreliable Passats, who are looking for a family car with 4 doors. I test drove one the other day and I can safley say that it beats anything out there with its handling, plus the power offered by the V6 is more than sufficient.
Any comments?
Thank you.
The benefit to the Miata in a city where parking is rare: tight turning radius. The 6 misses the mark there.
A nice upgrade for the Focus and yet still less than the 6. Classic marketing at work.
In any case I don't mind the two cars sharing a motor. Especially if its a good one.
Not according to the mags. The Mazda6S is quicker. The Jetta might keep up with the Mazda6S, but it won't "more than keep up with" it. That's impossible because the manual Mazda6S would be ahead of the manual Jetta 1.8T in a race.