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I don't see where removing the badges makes a "personnal statement" that's worth saying.
fowler3
Mazda must be getting more brand image. I've recently noticed a couple Mazda 626 with their front badge missing.
It's difficult to clean around/inside of them, and I feel the car stands alone without the advertising.
Anyway, bottom line is it's my car, and I don't care what someone else thinks about it (not now, not at resale time).
Now, can someone help me out with this question?
A number of people have taken the Mazda6 badging off. Goo Gone, some wire and patience is all.
Rich
A number of people have taken the Mazda6 badging off. Goo Gone, some wire and patience is all.
Did anyone go to the LA event last weekend? I haven't seen a single report on here.
I don't know about the "Goo Gone" brand specifically, but I know for a fact that "Goof Off" will remove automobile paint in no time flat.
Test it in an inconspicuous area first.
That's another good way to go - and what I'd probably use. Some people are using the goo-gone gel and soaking the adhesive so they can cut through it.
3M Wax & adhesive remover is really aggressive, but safe on paint. I've even used it on a plastic dashboard with NO ill effects. The stuff is rather amazing.
BTW, most auto badges are held on with adhesive. Very few are screwed on. I am surprised that more of them don't fall off in car washes and the like.
I am considering getting a 6s, but need to know what is the maintenance intervals for these machines. The Accord is either 105,000 or 110,000 miles. Is it similar for the 6?
Thanks.
The new Accord seems... quirkier... than the typical Honda.
The only chronic problems I've heard of with the 6 were two check engine light problems (both fixed now, and new cars come out of the factory with the fixes in place) and rattling sunglass holders. (Haven't had that problem myself.)
Their board most certainly SHOULD have a lot more posts in it. More cars, more people, more problems.
As for the Accord problems, certainly, you'd expect more posts because more cars sold. But look at the sheer VARIETY of problems. Divide the posts by 10 and you still have lots of different things going wrong. Compared to annoying dashboard lights and speaker/sunglass holder rattles on the 6...
Let's go over the rough statistical numbers again. ruefus said that Mazda hopes to build 80k this year, first bring Mazda6 to date:
80,000cars/12mon x 4.5mon/105prob= 6666cars/mon x .043mon/prob = 287cars / prob, where 4.5mon = midApril.
Accord has 66,000 cars to date:
66,000cars / 4800prob = 13.75cars / prob.
Therefore, roughly statistically there is one problem for every 287 Mazda6 built and there is one problem for every 13.75 Accords built. Conclusion, the Mazda6 is a winner by 21/1 for having fewer problems per cars built. End of story!
There are about 20 '03 Accord owner complaints reported to nhtsa and 1 for the '03 6.
That post is so dripping in BS it's stinking up the room.
Taking your 66000x2 (optimistic) :9000 (quite conservative) is roughly 14.7:1 or about 14.7 as many '03 Accords as Mazda6, or roughly 3X the complaint rate. Though not as extreme as previously stated, it's still markedly in favor of the Mazda.
Plus, many of the complaints are of a more serious nature (though none potentially life-threatening, like the BMWs that suddenly shut off while in motion...bad computer <slap, slap>). I think the only complaints I've heard of the 6 that might be serious are 2 individuals complaining of leaking transmissions (fixed right away) and maybe one rough clutch mechanism. The rest were rattling sunglass holders and some CEL that were usually tracked to insufficiently tightened gas caps.
Of course, this is data based upon the traffic in Edmund's boards. We'll see how they come out in CR's data (which is based upon the surveys they get back from their subscribers...so you can argue that too, but their sample is larger and they are answering the same set of questions...the questionnaires are pretty thorough).
This 'problems per car' post is full of SO much conjecture that not even the Iraqi Information Minister would buy it. Dividing 80,000 by 12 ain't gonna get it. Mazda hasn't sold 20,000 cars. Heck - as of 4/5, they'd only BUILT 25,451 since 1/1. And per Auto News - Mazda is carrying 105 days of inventory (normal is 60 and the industry is up around 80 or so right now). What it means is that good bit of production has yet to find a buyer.
So there are 48 times the number of posts. There are so many dynamics that go into that number it's pathetic. The Accord has been in existence for a VERY long time is the most obvious.
The number of people that know Edmunds has a message board for the Accord - and who go looking for it - is no doubt much larger than the current knowledge base for the 6. How many million Accords have they built to create awareness? People still think the 6 is the MX-6. The more people that know the Accord, the more they'll look....the more posts that show up. Not withstanding the fact that there are more '03 Accords on the road (many with repeat buyers behind the wheel) right now than Mazda's entire first year forecast.
Fact is - nobody knows what's actually going on.
After all, it could very well be that Accord owners are more likely demographically to be whiners, and that skews the sample. <grin>
But seriously... My original post was more about the wide variety of different *kinds* of problems seen with the Accords, as opposed to just a couple of kinds of problems reported with the 6. Even if you figure there are 10 times as many Accords, that doesn't alter the fact that there are many *different* problem systems being reported.
Here's a link...
http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosinsider/0304/10/autos-133550.htm
Note that the article takes is a bit out of context - Honda doesn't need incentives to move cars, comparisons to Nissan or Mitsubishi might be better. Plus, the entire industry is running well above the 60 day 'norm',not just Mazda.
Previous religious Toyota owner.
I was shopping for the 6i but am I glad i got the 6s. We looked and compared and then compared some more with camry, nissan, and honda. Mazdas 6 sharp looks and sporty handling won my bid in the end,.
Simply , I cant wait to wake up and drive it to work each morning... that is if i can get up before my wife does, otherwise shell want to take it. I was a bit concerened with the feel of the inside however, the plastic dash and some of the door parts seemed to be a little substandard for the rest of the car. but was assured by the dealer that if anything breaks due to poor design etc.. it would be replaced by the warrantee. Im looking to add in the mp3 player but havnt heard anything or seen any car with one istalled. anyone out there have a 6 with the mp3 player option?
my sister currently owns a new 03 and loves it. No problems (bought in Jan)
I didn't consider the Accord while shopping. But they wouldn't have considered anything else.
When I see my M6 and her Accord together at family gatherings I can't see past how much better looking my car is...
but that's just me.
Maybe, inside, she's thinking the same thing! ha!
The new Accord is clearly designed for the over 40 crowd. That fine. That's why they sell the numbers they do. Repeat purchases and new.
The automobile ages with them. Mazda is not going for the same consumer.
It's actually superb corporate strategy. Honda should receive more credit for this.
However, I'm still buying a 6.
Mark.
I'm getting it put in on Tuesday; I'll report on it after the install.
It's a replacement for the in-dash CD player that plays both CDs and MP3 CDs.
anyone else seen this combo???
I'm with you on the sport grill and lip spoiler, however. Give me them to me along with the 17" wheels and with our without the sport package body kit- either way, that's the winner I'd pick.
What do dealers do with new vehicles in the inventory that stay on the lot for LONG periods of time.
I know after the holdback period expires that the dealer ends up having to pay for cars that just sit on the lot.
So, for example. Let's say your Mazada dealer has 15 Tributes on the lot. Most are 2003. But two or three are "new" 2002... When and how do you dump the 2002 cars before 2004 comes around?
Do they get sent out for rentals? Can a buyer make a better deal on a old "new" car?
Where do these cars go? Do they ever get sent back to the factory?
Just wondering.
You would think the car would have been put in the loaner fleet or something, or else traded with another dealer for a car they wanted.
I just wanted to see if anyone had any thoughts on Saabs, since I don't know a whole lot about them? Should I even be looking at it (if you could have had the Saab at the same price when buying, would you have looked at it)? I know many will say "forget the Saab, buy the Mazda" (why may indeed be the case), but I'm looking for honest opinions, so I cover all the bases. Thanks
However, I'm "wobbling" on the 6i vs. 6s decision. After my first back-to-back of the two, I liked the 6i. The second time, I wasn't so sure (the 6s kind of grows on you). I was still leaning towards the 6i, and a local dealer had one with the options I wanted and offered it to me for $60 over invoice!. Now (after more test drives) I think I might give up the better handling 6i for the extra power of the 6s. Has anybody had the same experience?
I'm sure if I was at sea level the 6i would be fine, but at 5000ft the altitude really reduces the power (especially when it's hot out and the AC kicks in).