Mazda6 Sedan

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  • jstandeferjstandefer Member Posts: 805
    Sure, come on down and live! It will cost you $500+ a year to register your car and you'll pay $2.05 a gallon for regular in the winter and $2.30 a gallon in the summer. A 1-bedroom apartment will run you $1000 per month in a bad neighborhood and it cost you $150 per month in utilities. You can have a circus for a Governor's race, a small novel (135 candidates) for ballots, and an hour of traffic to move 5 miles. Oh, and tax-paying citizens are harassed and have no rights. We meet people underground and pay lots of money to get non-U.S. paperwork so we can pretend we are here illegally to be treated with any respect.

    But the weather is terrific! LOL!!
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    "you'll pay $2.05 a gallon for regular in the winter and $2.30 a gallon in the summer. A 1-bedroom apartment will run you $1000 per month", except that's in CAD and in a decent (read ok, but not great) neighboUrhood - we spell it with an "u".

    And car insurance is not cheap either. But we have "free" healthcare. Not perfect, but a more "supportive" system than in the US.

    Oh yeah - we also get 30%-40% off!!! From our paycheques (if you make a decent living).

    But I still love it!

    Dinu
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    we elected circus show Governor Jesse "The Body", and our traffic stinks too. The traffic is bad in So Cal but it is never as slow as a Twin Cities rush hour during a snow storm. Sure, the gas and rent are cheaper here, but you have to put up with the weather, which can suck really bad at times.
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    Toronto gets the worst of both: expensive to live there and sucky weather.

    Dinu
  • akumazakumaz Member Posts: 65
    I FINALLY saw the 6 commercial that mentions the 50 awards the car has won so far. At the end of the commercial, they also mention rebates of $2000 (or 0.0% financing for 5 years) and that you must take delivery by 9/30/03. I'm not sure how old this news is, but there's still good deals to be had.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    You're talking CAD. The Twin Cities cost of living isn't cheap, but it's better than San Diego. I have a buddy renting in Los Angeles and he pays less than I used pay here in Minneapolis.
  • chikoochikoo Member Posts: 3,008
    on the 2003 sports packages?
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    I live in San Diego also and I drive 80 miles per day. I'd say less than two hours in the car to make the commute isn't that bad.

    And gas for 2.09? I wish. I have to use premium, so it's 2.30 a gallon.

    Does the 6i or s require premium?
  • mazda6smazda6s Member Posts: 1,901
    "Does the 6i or s require premium?"

    NO
  • fowler3fowler3 Member Posts: 1,919
    "Sure, come on down and live! It will cost you $500+ a year to register your car and you'll pay $2.05 a gallon for regular in the winter and $2.30 a gallon in the summer. A 1-bedroom apartment will run you $1000 per month in a bad neighborhood and it cost you $150 per month in utilities." jstandefer said.

    Say what? "It will cost you $500+ a year to register your car." It cost $150 in NC. You will pay $1.57 a gallon for regular gas (it's high right now). A 2-bedroom apartment will run you $575 in a nice neighborhood and it cost you $90 for utilities a month. Annual taxes on your car will cost $148 and insurance for my Protegé is $700 a year.

    Forget the apartment, with interest rates so low, you can get a 2-bedroom, 2-bath townhouse with a garage (for the new MZ6) for $670 a month (includes insurance and taxes).

    Where cost of living is lower it makes car payments easier. :D

    fowler3
  • jstandeferjstandefer Member Posts: 805
    California, especially southern California, has gotten insane. San Diego has skyrocketed up the cost-of-living ladder. A small two bedroom detached home in a decent neighborhood will easily sell for $500,000. A nice three-bedroom home in a beach city like Carlsbad, Del Mar, or Coronado will easily exceed $800,000. Live on the beach? $1M-$5M. Why is it so expensive? I don't know, but it can't hold these prices too much longer... I'm waiting for the real estate market to fall.

    I lied about the car registration. It won't go up until October 1st. Our wonderful Governor, Gray Doofus, tripled the registration fees and signed a new law just last weekend that gives illegal aliens driver licenses with no identification, background, or employment verifications. Just walk right in and get one. Oh, and while they are there because of our "Motor Voter" law, they get registered to vote too. Citizens on the other hand must turn over their first born son and present DNA samples...

    And he can't figure out why we want to recall him...

    blueguydotcom: I do a very similar commute... Oceanside to San Diego and back. If I spend less than three hours a day in my car, I'm doing pretty good. That's the reason I traded my beloved Protege ES 5-spd for a 6i auto.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    We're swapping areas. I drive from the college area to vista/carlsbad. That's why my drive is shorter time wise - opposite of traffic.

    I'm considering a stripped 6i for the drive as I don't like putting crazy miles on my new car. I'll probably end up with a late model miata though - lots of fun and perfect for drives home on the PCH.

    I don't see the market falling, by the way. In Temecula and such it's going up even faster. They have more buyers than homes up there.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    I'd go for the 6i, especially considering the deals you can get on them now.

    It's more relaxed on the freeway than the Miata, Jetta 1.8T, or Protege. Low freeway RPMs is one very welcome change for me compared to the Protege, and it gets very decent mileage for a midsize.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    Thing is, I'm not a very relaxed driver. If a car's too plush on the freeway (say my old Jetta 1.8T with the 28 mm swaybar), I find I must jockey around to avoid sleep. I prefer a harsh ride and engine noise...I'm the 1% of the population that likes that stuff. I love to be engaged in the driving experience.

    Right now the used Miata's running in the lead because it offers so much fun, it's something I'd drive on the weekends too, it's perfect for this area (at least between september-november and january-may) and I've read about supercharger mods that run about 3k and can turn it into a monster. Did I mention the RWD drivetrain and nimble handling?

    The Mazda6 was actually a car I strongly considered when I was looking for my primary vehicle earlier this year. Liked the handling, interior, etc. I wasn'y crazy about the engine response of the V6 in either auto or stick but I've read that the 4's actually more responsive. I'll go tie it on this weekend...

    I tried a pro but its power and handling (didn't do the mazdaspeed) weren't to my liking. Same goes for the Camcord and Civorolla. And I wouldn't touch a VW again unless it came with a supermodel.
  • jstandeferjstandefer Member Posts: 805
    Go with the Miata! It's fun, very responsive, a convertible, looks great, super reliable, RWD, and there are performance parts galore! The only year to stay away from is the 1990 because of weak crankshafts... other than that, they are all bulletproof and hold their value better than most cars on the road. You could wait for the Mazdaspeed Miata that should be out very early next year... not many details, but it should have forced induction of some type, probably a turbo. Of course, it will probably be close to $30k!
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    if you don't need the room and you prefer noisy engines and road noise, go for the Miata. That's a no brainer.
  • microrepairmicrorepair Member Posts: 508
    Please stop with the wonderful reasons to live in NC.!!! All you are doing is raising the prices so that I won't be able to afford to move there in a couple years!!!!
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    it's all relative. Places that are cheap to live generally don't have jobs that pay as well as places that are spendy to live. Of course there are exceptions, but that's the way it is for the most part.
  • carguy58carguy58 Member Posts: 2,303
    Isn't Mazda's current CEO a Japanese Guy? As for the former Musical chair CEO's at Mazda since 1994 this CEO should stay I think since he is not associated with Ford?

    As for Mazda's advertising I don't understand what Ford has to do with that. Mazda is responsible for themselves.

    As for the yellow 6 I saw it in New Jersey.

    As for the 6 not selling do you think you are going to see it like you see a Honda or Toyota all the time? No because Mazda doesn't have the reputation of those 2 manufacturers.

    As for problems with cars if anybody ever has a problem with a Mazda they blame Ford and everything. When a Ford, GM, Honda, or Toyota has a problem people brush it to the side.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    6 is selling - with rebates and such but still moving product. didn't they move 7k last month?
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Member Posts: 1,007
    The AutoExpress family of magazines, and in particular, the UK version ...

    http://www.autoexpress.co.uk

    has named the Mazda 6 their Driver Power (kinda like JD Powers' surveys, but 'truly' scientific' for a change) Car of the Year ...

    http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ae_data/special_features/newcarhonou- rs2003/NCH2003.pdf

    Its on the last page. I'll quote ...

    What makes the Mazda 6 a winner?
    Why did the 6 win?
    OWNERS loved the car,singling
    out the build quality and brakes
    as highlights.They also said the
    driving experience is second to
    none,and reliability first class.


    Also...
    Mazda's ground-breaking family car, the Mazda 6, polled the highest individual score in the survey, seeing off the likes of Porsche's Boxster and the BMW 5-series. A brilliant result for a remarkable car.
  • alan1111alan1111 Member Posts: 10
    Is everyone pleased with A/C cooling it seemed a little weak in the car i drove and a old 626 i had was the same?
  • jstandeferjstandefer Member Posts: 805
    The new president and CEO of Mazda, for 15 days now, is Japanese: Hisakazu Imaki. He was the sole executive vice president, appointed in 2002. It is now nice to have a Mazda veteran (since 1965) back in charge. On the other hand, the new executive vice president was brought in from a Ford corporate position. Now let's see if they can keep the same CEO for some time... a company can go through so much upheaval every time the executives are shuffled around, especially when the new executives are experienced and schooled in an entirely different way of doing business. Here is a list since 97 of the CEOs. Remember, each CEO change typically carries a shuffling of the other top executives.

    8/27/03 - Imaki
    6/25/02 - Booth
    8/31/00 - Hughes
    12/15/99 - Fields
    11/14/97 - Miller
  • jstandeferjstandefer Member Posts: 805
    I have never found the A/C to be super strong in any Mazda that doesn't use Ford HVAC systems (truck and Tribute). But, getting your windows tinted with a good metallic tint will really make a HUGE difference.
  • microrepairmicrorepair Member Posts: 508
    My 88 MX-6 had the best AC of any car I've ever owned. But, it was Freon, not the imitation stuff they have to use nowadays..

    newcar31: The lack of jobs may be true in NC, but I'm at a point in life where I don't need a job..!!! So I can revel in the lower cost of living that might allow me to have more playthings, like nice cars...
  • silvercrownsilvercrown Member Posts: 237
    I have been loving my 6 so far with nearly 1,400 trouble-free, fun-loving miles. The A/C works very well IMO and the Bose sound system is excellent. I'm getting tons of compliments on the car, particularly the color (Lapis Blue). Even my Dad (who's up in age and doesn't like much of anything these days) likes my "pretty little car." It's not little to me, but I guess it is to him as he drives a Grand Marquis. LOL

    It's a real conversation piece, as most people don't know what kind of car it is and they are struck by its stylish good looks. Even the guys at the car wash break into choruses of the "Zoom-zoom-zoom" song while washing my car. I thought that was hysterical.

    I haven't seen many around metro Detroit, except for the parking lot at work (Ford World HQ). There are a lot of Lapis Blue and Black MZ6's here. I get lots of questions from total strangers (what kind of car is that? oh, Mazda 626? no...?) and have had interesting conversations (mostly with guys) in store parking lots, etc., about the car's features, HP, and drive.

    In fact, I had an interesting conversation with fellow Ford employee in the parking lot yesterday. He was quite fascinated by my car, so I gave him the nickel tour. We chatted for a few minutes, then he confessed that he was jealous of my 6 and that he was thinking of buying one. What is he driving now? A Jaguar X-type. A Jaguar owner jealous of a Mazda owner?!!! Well, ain't that something. LOL

    Was he serious? Seems so, but who knows. My friend thinks that he was probably just flirting with me. ;-)

    Loving my Mazda6 and thinking that NC does sound like a nice place to live ......
  • glideslopesglideslopes Member Posts: 431
    The AC in my 6s is very powerful. Most of the time I can't keep it set at 60. It blows such cold air that I will become uncomfortable. There have been many posts from people living in hot climates praising the AC.

    The AC in my 00 Protege' ES also worked very well.

    Mark. : )
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Member Posts: 2,287
    If you keep the AC set at 60 in a car with automatic climate control, the car will try to make it 60. Shouldn't you set it for the inside temperature you want? Surely you do not want to be 60? Surely you aren't one of those people who thinks things cool faster if the temperature is set lower?
  • mazda6smazda6s Member Posts: 1,901
    "Surely you aren't one of those people who thinks things cool faster if the temperature is set lower?"

    Hey, I know a lot of people like that. It makes me nuts.
  • mazda6smazda6s Member Posts: 1,901
    OK, if there any others like me who want an '04 6s-MT with SAB/SAC and NO leather, there's good news and bad news. First the good news is that you can get it. One of my local dealers has one inbound so I know they build them that way. The bad news is that it requires the Sport pkg, Bose pkg, and Moonroof to get the SAB/SAC (let's not go there, ok?). Also, apparently they have changed the ext/int color combos, as the one my dealer has inbound is Sepang Green with Grey interior. For '03 the Sepang Green only came with Beige interior.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Member Posts: 2,287
    Sepang Green with gray interior?

    Pardon me, but YUCKADOO!

    --john cline ii who sure hopes that it isn't necessary to get a moonroof to get SAB/SAC on the wagons!
  • mazda6smazda6s Member Posts: 1,901
    Yeah, I'll reserve judgement until I see it, but it does seem a little funky.
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    Are those people in charge of Mazda's packages so devoit of any brains that they MUST force ppl to get BOSE to get SAB/SAC? That's my main beef.

    I already decided on the Mazda3 (if it drives like the 6 or PRO ES), but I'm frustrated at how many ppl they are turning off with these packages. I don't want BOSE (I listen mainly to dance music, so I need high highs and low lows) but would like SAB/SAC.

    Dinu

    And classy Sepang Green w/grey?
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    Surely you do not want to be 60?

    Why not? I usually keep my car at 65 or 66. Once in awhile I drop down to 60 as I know then the auto climate control will be running full blast for the entire drive. :) Sometimes you just can't make the car cold enough inside...
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Member Posts: 2,287
    S'okay!

    I was just curious.

    It's your car and whatever temperature you want is just all right with me! (cause it IS a hot little car!)
  • fowler3fowler3 Member Posts: 1,919
    his nick to hotguydotcom. Brrrrrrrrrr, I can't stand too much AC. The AC in my Pro LX freezes me in a few minutes, I'm aways turning it off or adding heat. By the way, have you noticed that if you do not change the rotary switch for "face and feet" precisely, hit the indent notch, the AC is still ON. (This is after setting it to defrost and feet, where the AC comes on automatically.)

    microrepair, I'll stop the NC sales pitch. It is cheaper here compared to up north and definately cheaper than CA and around DC. Jobs are scarce in the furniture business and gone in the textile business. But those are not the only businesses. If you repair PCs there is a big need for that here. I've seen shops so loaded you can't walk through them, the floor is covered with PCs.

    carguy58 is on an "As for.." kick tonight. ;)

    silvercrown: Even my Dad (who's up in age and doesn't like much of anything these days) likes
    my "pretty little car." I know the feeling well, getting old does that to you. Everything you use to enjoy you no longer can. After 65, ZOOMing is the last thing you want to do. Buying a car with a 5-year loan troubles you, what if you don't live 5 more years?

    I had a cousin who bought a Lexus SC-400, he died half way through his payments, his son drove it behind the hearse. It was bright red, going in style was his way. ;)

    fowler3
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    In the past 10 years every car I've owned has had the AC running at about 95% of the time. Even when the defroster's on, my AC is running. :)
  • mazda6smazda6s Member Posts: 1,901
    It could be worse - they could package it like the Accord.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Member Posts: 2,287
    Hallelujah and Amen.

    I have never bought a Honda product for the same reason I may not be buying a Mazda this time (and haven't in the past).

    Why can't these companies understand that everyone who wants SAFETY equipment (in the past ABS, now SAB/SAC and stability control) is not an automatic sucker for every other extra cost equipment option they can throw on the car, e.g., moonroofs, BOSE, etc.

    This is not just greed, it either borders on or is immoral. I want the safety equipment and I will not buy a car with leather or a sunroof. If Mazda (or Honda for that matter) chooses not to make that particular combination available, I, as a consumer, have other choices. So far.

    Why so adamant about moonroofs? I need the headroom. I would never use it. And I don't want to sacrifice the structural integrity of the roof by having a hole in it. Cars without sunroofs HAVE to be safer than those with. It's a choice. Or at least it SHOULD be.

    Sigh.
  • glideslopesglideslopes Member Posts: 431
    My point was that the AC is capable of producing extremely cold air if desired.

    Mark. : )
  • rcf8000rcf8000 Member Posts: 619
    Toyota has the right idea on this; the side and curtain airbags are a separate option. The sunroof is also a separate option on the 4 cylinder models, effectively. I don't understand the auto industry's fascination with sunroofs. One of my objections to the Mazda 6i is no automatic climate control. This is less important than a sunroof?
  • microrepairmicrorepair Member Posts: 508
    You've done it again..!!
    "It is cheaper here compared to up north and definately cheaper than CA and around DC. Jobs are scarce in the furniture business and gone in the textile business. But those are not the only businesses. If you repair PCs there is a big need for that here. I've seen shops so loaded you can't walk through them, the floor is covered with PCs."
    Now there will be a wagon train of people flocking there thinking they can get a job fixing PC's.!! Even Silvercrown has it in mind...!!

    Re: loans at "our" age... " Buying a car with a 5-year loan troubles you, what if you don't live 5 more years?"
    Uh, I guess my attitude is; >I won't care at that point!< And don't most car loans include life insurance anyway? Same idea with a new roof on the house; forget about paying upfront for a 50 year warrantied roof.. Go for the 20 year version; if you live that long celebrate with another new roof!!

    Back on subject: is the grey interior the only choice with the Sepang Green for '04???? Surely, it can't be...!!
  • chikoochikoo Member Posts: 3,008
    must be one of those who like to wear black leather jackets all year around so that he looks cool.....and hence his need for 60F AC
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    I haven't worn a jacket in probably 8 or 9 years. :P I live in San Diego - hence if it's really cold (say 50 degrees - lol) I toss on a flannel, sweater or just layer.

    I do still have a leather bomber jacket I received for Xmas 14 years ago. It sits in a hall closet, neglected and all alone. No parkas, ski jackets, windbreakers or any other jacket though. No need for them.

    This is not just greed, it either borders on or is immoral. I want the safety equipment and I will not buy a car with leather or a sunroof. If Mazda (or Honda for that matter) chooses not to make that particular combination available, I, as a consumer, have other choices. So far.

    Um, why is it immoral to make people pay for things they want? You don't have to buy a Honda/Mazda without SAB/SAC. You choose to buy one with or without those items. In the end, you make the choice. Blaming someone else for your choices is so typical of our culture but in the end you make the decision to cheap out or just suck up a measely 2 or 3k to get the protection you think you need.
  • cookie01cookie01 Member Posts: 369
    Sometimes is just very funny to read this board. Thank God! work has been a huge hassle but coming in this morning to these posts was a hoot!

    Anyway
    Re: "This is not just greed, it either borders on or is immoral. I want the safety equipment and I will not buy a car with leather or a sunroof."

    I have the side air bags and curtains on my M6s but have no sunroof or leather. What's the beef?
    Get the sports package and bose and call it good!

    Here's the deal, if you don't like the looks of the sports package, then you don't like the looks of "the car you won't choose". My point is.... I don't like the way the Honda Accord looks. I didn't even shop that car... If the Honda came with EXACTLY the interior features, and safety equip I wanted I still WOULD NOT have bought the car. So if Mazda ONLY gives you the saftey equip you want in a Sports package, (and you don't like the sport) then you're not buying that car. Simple.
    I don't know what the changes are for 04... but in 03 you COULD and people DID get all the safety stuff (traction control, side air curtains, etc) in a Mazda 6 s with NO leather and NO sunroof. There's one in my garage right now.
  • bean3422bean3422 Member Posts: 183
    I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but Automobile has in interesting blurb about the Mazda 6 in their October mag. I could not find it on the web anywhere, but I highly recommend you check out that article in the magazine.

    Pretty must the jist of it is they are so impressed with it in their long term test fleet that they wanted to write a short article about it even before the normal long term test report. They even suggested that they are having second thoughts about their Car of the Year (350z) and speculating that it should have been the 6. I really enjoyed a comment towards the end of the article about how after they finish driving the Honda Accord or Toyota Camry, they pretty much can't wait to leave them and get behind the wheel of the 6.

    Great article...I will probably never own a 6 (rx-8 hopefully), but I am a big Mazda fan and I am glad they are finally getting some credit for the sporty cars they build.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Member Posts: 2,287
    Cookie01, you have that combination because you have an 03. For 04, unless Mazda changes its mind, there won't be any equipped like that.

    As for paying for things, I don't mind that at all. What I do mind is getting things I do NOT want. like leather or a moonroof. I don't want them even if they pay ME to take them. And I shouldn't have to take them to get a SAFETY option. See?
  • mazdamarlamazdamarla Member Posts: 350
    All I know is, after hearing people complain about the fabric seats fraying and pilling, I'm glad I DID get leather! :)

    Why do you not want leather? Is it the cost issue, or do you just dislike leather?
  • ian2ian2 Member Posts: 168
    Leather is awesome. Especially black leather, but the draw back is the pain of sitting on it after parking it under the sun for a while.

    I live in San Diego as well, but I rarely have my AC on unless it's a really hot day. I do live farely close to the coast though.
  • mazda6smazda6s Member Posts: 1,901
    "Why do you not want leather? Is it the cost issue, or do you just dislike leather?"

    Hot and sweaty in the summer, cold and slippery in the winter. (and no, I'm not talking about an ex-girlfriend)
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