Mazda6 Sedan

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  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    With Mazda paying a portion the price its manageable..high, but based upon last years results, worth it. We did sell cars because of it last year. The huge majority were to people who told us they never knew anything about the Pro5. So far this year the 6 is doing the samething...We're only one mile from the mall so people leave the mall and drive right over.

    One of our salespeople goes over in the evening and opens the car up and answer question and give away brochures and bags... It was nice to see bright blue zoom-zoom logo bags all over the mall.
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Member Posts: 1,583
    i wish the dealers around here would be smart enough to do the same and stick some 6's in Tysons Corner mall here.

    all I see in the mall are Infiniti's and maybe some GM's.... damn cheapo Mazda dealer....
  • capitanocapitano Member Posts: 509
    "Why do people obsess about stuff like this with cars? If you like the car, who cares what others think?"

    I'm not obsessing, just stereotyping. I did not expect that the first 6 I saw being driven around on the street would be a middle-aged woman. The middle-aged women I know are not looking for zoom zoom or sporty handling. They are looking for room room and safety features with a dash of style on the side.

    Certainly I am not going to drop the 6 off of my list because of this one traumatic event.

    Do smileys not work here?
  • meinradmeinrad Member Posts: 820
    anyone will admit, everyone cares to some degree what other people think. I'm would bet it makes us all feel good when someone compliments the car we drive.

    If you let it affect you to the point you drive a car you hate just so other people will see you in it, then you've got a big problem.

    I saw some 90+ year old women driving a Protege the other week. That was something I didn't expect given the Zoom Zoom image. Then I got to thinking. The older you get, the less time you have left so why not Zoom everywhere you go!
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    Every type o' person has one
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    Just like when Saturns first came out. They used to wave to each other etc., just like some P5 owners I waved to...they waved back.

    After something becomes more popular though, that all goes out the window.

    Whatever happened to tooting your horn at drivers of cars like yours? I now just get strange looks or get ignored when I honk at other bright red Protege sedans. Sad.
  • bme_cvbme_cv Member Posts: 8
    My fiance just bought me a Mazda 6 this Thanksgiving for my birthday. Driving experience is really fun! I chose a blue i4, fully loaded. The interior is nice with black leather. Someone complained about the seat, and I found the seat is quite comfortable. The first time I sit on it, I felt a little stiff (not so bad compared to my old Acura Integra). However it is quite supportive and comfortable when I get used to it. The middle section of the seat is designed to absorbe the bumps from the road, and it works! My fiance drives a Volve, and he felt the seat of Mazda is quite comfortable too. However Mazda 6 is designed as a sport sedan, and the seats will not be so soft as those from Volvos.

    As for driving, I have not push my car too hard yet, b/c it is still in break-in period. I still have to say this car is really moving. With the auto shift, the shifting is smooth. My fiance tried the manual shift, what a fun experience! Everyone should try it. Steering is crisp, same as my old Acura. This is why I will not buy a Toyota even Luxus. I don't like the slow response of steering from Toyota's car. Right now, I have to say driving a Mazda 6 is fun.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I just received a new package from Mazda on the 6 today in the mail. This brochure is larger than all the others, highlighting some of the car's interior, but mostly its handling characteristics. I am surprised they are not sending out full-size brochures yet.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    I can't wait to get mine.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    Whatever happened to tooting your horn at drivers of cars like yours? I now just get strange looks or get ignored when I honk at other bright red Protege sedans. Sad.

    They don't respond because they don't know you. Having the same car does not mean you have anything worthwhile in common. VW people do this to me all the time...gets on my nerves. I'm not someone's pal because we happened to buy similar cars.
  • gasrcgasrc Member Posts: 1
    Every teaser ad/comercial about this car would lead you to beleive that is this new hot sport sedan. When really, it's just a basic new midsized sedan. Demographically, I expect this car to go to mostly age 30-45 husbands and wives. Very few 6's will go to driving enthusiasts. Those that do will be manuals. Women and familys will opt for the auto. I has a nice sporty, yet classy look and average "performance power". [Nothing like the 2.3L Turbo Mazda 6 MPS http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.mv?file=car.mv&num=1481].


    In a 1/4mile, it can be out run by many cars in it's price range. The 175hp Grand AM (15.9 in an auto). The Mazda 6 with auto grabs 16.2. The Neon SRT-4 will destroy it in every performance category. The Accord V6 is about $23000, but it gets 15.4 with an auto. The 175hp Sentra Spec-V is a manual, but pulls down mid/low 15's, equal to the manual of the 6. I know that the 6 is a tiny bit bigger than the Neon and Sentra. The 6 may however hold it's own in the handling department.


    But all I'm saying is that it was nothing to wait for. Unlike Subaru's WRX, Nissans 350Z, Ford's '03 Cobra. You won't see many 6's at the drag strip, at auto-crosses, in import magazines, or at shop meets. Not many are going to break there necks to get a double take of it. It's just another car on the market. Just my opinion.

  • fowler3fowler3 Member Posts: 1,919
    >> see folks from 16 to 66 driving Proteges and P5s.<<<

    What am I chopped liver or dead? LOL!

    meinrad: But of course! Why drive a starter coffin, a gray Buick.

    Capitano: Smilies are used here, you have to type them. ;):):D :P and others. If you don't know these tilt your head to the left. =P

    fowler3
  • maltbmaltb Member Posts: 3,572
    ever met your neighbors?

    The point is that you both at least had the same taste in cars.

    When I had my FJ40 Land Cruiser it was a given that I'd initiate a wave or wave in response. Why? because we both knew we were driving one of the most reliable and capable off-road vehicles made. That, at least, accounted for good taste.

    Obviously you are under no obligation to respond, but there is no need to deride those that do so.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    I don't think anyone is cross shopping Neons, 350Zs, and Mazda6s.
  • maltbmaltb Member Posts: 3,572
    I think the idea is to have a presentable sedan that won't disappoint a driving enthusiast. To get such a thing currently, one had to spend a few more clams. I'm personally excited to get a $18.5k car that has decent refinement and is a pleasure to drive. Which of the cars that you mentioned provide that?
  • fowler3fowler3 Member Posts: 1,919
    you may be right, but plenty of Protegé owners will move up and many others besides. Women will find it easier to park and backup than high-tail Camrys. Men will enjoy the driving dynamics without having to buy a pure sportcar with limited utility. And how many sport sedan owners really give a hoot about autocross, 0-60mph times, and quarter mile speeds? Not many.

    I agree, there are many "just another" cars out there. Parking lots are full of them. The Mazda6 will, hopefully, fill the void and provide a lot of driving enjoyment for thousands.

    I'm not 90+, but not far from it, and I enjoy driving and handling and a bit of luxury to go along with it, at a price I can afford. You can have those other cars you mentioned. Not one is on my shopping list and never will be.

    One other thing, when I was in my twenties and thirties, I bought expensive cars with the same excuse I read others using here -- "to enjoy it while I can." They didn't have the handling refinement today's cars have and buyers weren't as sophisticated and educated as today. If you love cars you can enjoy them 'til the day you stop driving.

    Today, I celebrated my 72nd birthday and hope I can still enjoy a really good car 10 years from now. Maybe I will see you on the road -- get out of my way!

    fowler3
  • markjennmarkjenn Member Posts: 1,142
    Negotiating a price between buyer and seller based on a open market is the system that has proven to best optimize the market and result in the lowest overall prices. If you have a fixed price system, you'll always have a buildup of inventory in items that are less desirable and a shortage of items that are more desirable.

    Saying you want a fixed-price system because it is "fair" always leads to the question of who is to judge fairness. A governmental agency? Or do you allow the market to find a fixed price that is "fair" and enforce some rule that everyone pays the same. How is this enforced? And why should a knowledgeable consumer have to subsidize prices above the market value so that a non-knowledgable consumer doesn't pay more. Shouldn't the savy consumer be rewarded for their knowledge and diligence?

    When both buyer and seller agree voluntarily to a free-market price, each has found a level they're happy with or they wouldn't buy. And this means less business for lawyers.

    In the end, it is a classic socialism vs. capitalism discussion and with a few safety nets to avoid blatant ripoffs, I vote for free-maarket capitalism as the best way of pricing consumer goods.

    The disadvantage of negotiations is that it introduces an overhead into the transaction. I don't want to negotiate the price of every item at the grocery store even if it would reduce my grocery bill slightly - it is just too much trouble. But with the internet and the proliferation of information, I think the trend is towards more negotiation rather than less. Ebay and priceline are successful to the degree they are because they reduce negotiation overhead.

    For cars and houses, where the purchase only occurs a handful of times in our life, I'll take a negotiated system.

    - Mark
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
  • ambullambull Member Posts: 255
    The Mazda 6 was designed to be fun to drive, not fun to race. The car in the Mazda line-up that competes with the cars you mentioned is the Mazdaspeed Protege, which came in a close second to the SRT-4 in the latest issue of Sport Compact Car magazine.
    When you say it is "nothing special", I disagree, because it combines reasonably good performance, good looks, comfort and handling for way under luxury-car prices. A race car it is not, but it may still be considered "special".
  • edmund2460edmund2460 Member Posts: 293
    In my post I did say there were exceptions. Parks was one and I gladly drove 120 miles to buy from them and would do so again. BTW I got a nice card from our salesman announcing that he was at Liberty Lincoln Mercury in Winston-Salem. That's the make I'm trying to stay away from unfortunately, but if I ever changed my mind to feel comfortable with a Ford product, I might drive to W-S. I do reward people with repeat business when they do not try to cheat me like two of the dealers in this area did.
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Happy birthday fowler3! :-)
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
  • bme_cvbme_cv Member Posts: 8
    Now I found out the only problem for my Mazda 6 is insurance. Since it is a new model, the insurance companies even do not have any info about it and they can not provide quote for my car on phone. Compared to my old Acura Integra, my insurance company increased the rate about $500/year for Mazda 6. They spent two days to figure out such rate (1500/year):-( I would like to shop around for insurance now. Saving on insurance is a much better deal than saving couple hundred dollars on the car, since I have to pay insurance every year. Does anybody have any info about the insurance? Thanks a lot for any advice.

    BTW, I live in south CA and insurance here is not cheap.

    bme
  • wonderwoman19wonderwoman19 Member Posts: 27
    Just a word on S plan:

    Just so you guys out there wouldn't think I'm a total %^*$@, I called seven different Mazda dealers in the Midwest area, and they all honor S plan pricing.

    You have to go to a larger dealer though. Small dealers don't like to honor S plan because they only get a small allocation of Mazda6's.

    See? I'm not that mean! :)

    By the way, I don't have a "rich daddy" to buy my cars for me! I work hard and do very well for myself!
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    I thought this said at first glance. My jaw dropped to the floor.

    "I didn't think today's Japanese sedans were designed for hitches"

    WW: Carsdirect does guarantee their prices and it's not just a guide as you mentioned before. And if you work hard for your own money then shouldn't you want to sift out as much frivolous spending as possible? (spending $2,000 more for a car than you would pay 1 month down the road is frivolous)

    "Will the CarsDirect.com price ever change after I place my order?
    Our great prices are still affected by market conditions, and CarsDirect.com prices are subject to change without notice. However, once you confirm your order you are fully protected against price changes. Naturally, our prices are subject to the availability of the vehicle as configured and in some cases we may not be able to procure your specific vehicle. On very rare occasions, we may misprice a vehicle and, as you can understand, we reserve the right to correct any errors."

    I can't believe someone compared the 6 to a SRT-4. Talk about apples and oranges.
  • groovypippingroovypippin Member Posts: 264
    Some strange arguments about deomographics in here. In my humble opinion, the fact that men and women in all age groups find a car appealing is a strong sign that the car wil be a success. I'm not sure how anyone could view that as a negative.

    I own a Protege5 and I see tons of them on the streets in my home town. I see young people, old people, men and women all driving them. I think that means that Mazda hit a home run.

    As for 0-60 and 1/4 mile numbers, I guess its the age old battle. I think those numbers matter jack squat. I care about how a car feels. I know that there are all kinds of cars out there that can blow the doors off my P5, but boy do I love to drive it.

    I haven't driven a Mazda6 yet. Can't until they're introduced here in January, but I'm confident I'll feel the same way about it.

    By the way, anybody ever wonder why no one ever talks about the 1/4 mile time of a BMW 3-Series? That's because no one cares.
  • boxfanboxfan Member Posts: 180
    I don't think Mazda has aimed the 6 at any particular demographics (age/sex/income), just anyone who wants a midsize car that handles well. I am amused, however, about the Toyota Matrix--Toyota is open about the fact that they want to attract younger buyers into the brand by making a boy-racer-type car, but I haven't seen anyone under 50 driving one yet.
  • waydewayde Member Posts: 198
    boxfan: I've had the same experience. I live in Mpls and usually try to see who is driving what type of car. I've kept my eyes open particularly to the Matrix because I'm an avid reader of auto industry trends and read all of the press Toyota put out about the Matrix. I too have not seen a "younger" driver of this vehicle. My friend and I went and looked at one just to see (she's 32 also) and neither of us liked it.... AT ALL. The plastics are all hard, and the worst part (for us) was that it was so tall and sitting inside felt like we were in a minivan (and it kinda looks like one too).
    P5's on the other hand: see younger and middle aged people driving them.
    BTW - just tonight the guy at the garage I parked in commented on my car and was wondering what it was! Way cool. It's white w/ tinted windows and magnetic bra.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    In the G35 room. All aspects have been sorted.
  • mazda6smazda6s Member Posts: 1,901
    I agree, a free and open market is the best. Unfortunately, many car buyers are at a disadvantage in price negotiations, so the playing field is skewed in favor of the dealers. The average buyer is like a lamb being thrown to the wolves.

    You're confusing one-price dealers with a fixed-price system. The one-price dealers that I have dealt with, Elway Nissan in the Denver area for example, do set their prices according to the market. The prices actually can change from day to day. But, once they post the price, that's what everyone pays. The market is still setting the selling price.

    This is not classic socialism vs. capitalism question. It's about predatory business practices and business ethics. Yes, those things matter in a free market system. Some car salespeople (and dealers) have the attitude that if they're smart enough to get a buyer to pay thousands more, they deserve the extra profit and the stupid buyer deserves to get ripped off. Even though I personally can beat the best salesperson anywhere, I find that way of running a business disgusting and obscene.

    Now, back to the 6. I drove one last week, a 6s-AT, grey with black leather. I liked it, but I have to drive the 6s-MT and 6i-MT before I decide.

    Let's hear about those selling prices!
  • fowler3fowler3 Member Posts: 1,919
    dinu1, Pat_HOST, and newcar31! Thought I would never get to 72. Strange, it's no different than 71,70,69, 68 etc. Well, a little different, you tire quicker, but slowing down was never a problem for me. ;)

    Maybe that's why in earlier years I was always referred to as the "late Jim so-n-so".

    fowler3
  • ameen6ameen6 Member Posts: 16
    I think I&#146;m going to purchase a Mazda 6s in the next couple of months and I qualify for the Mazda College Graduate Program $500 customer cash discount. I assume Mazda Corp, and not the dealer who I purchase the car form fulfills this discount. In other words, it&#146;s no skin of the dealers back to honor this discount. Is this correct?

    I&#146;m 90% sold on this car, I just need to test drive a 6s with manual transmission and the Sports Package. If the car drives like it is described in the reviews that I have read, then I will be 100% sold. I&#146;ll get a 6s with manual transmission and fully loaded with every option. I have the color choices narrowed down to Black, Blue and Yellow…

    I have seen the car in person, and I have two comments;

    For those of you who have not seen it in person yet and have only seen photos, please go see it in person. IMO it looks way better in person, the pictures just don&#146;t convey how well shaped the car is. In particular if all you have seen are the pictures in the mazdausa.com web site, those are horrible and don&#146;t do the car any justice.

    For those of you who have seen one in person, did you notice how small the moon roof was? I have an Accord, my dad a MB S-Class, my sister a Hyundai Santa Fe and all three cars have moon roofs about one and a half times the size of the one in the 6. It&#146;s something that bugs me a bit, but definitely not a deal breaker.
  • 204meca204meca Member Posts: 369
    For a car that is "nothing special", it is interesting to see that the 6 is leading the townhall for number of new posts lately. Probably not a record, but certainly drawing a lot of attention.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Member Posts: 2,287
    Be careful....The Impala forum led the way for the longest time (partly kidding, I, myself, drive a 2000 Impala LS)

    Besides, haven't about 90 percent of our posts been about the Art of the Deal? (Kidding again).

    All kidding aside, I am awaiting the availability of Sirius Satellite Radio, as Mazda itself advises that taking the dash apart to hook up an FM modulator (I would rather have a direct connection anyway) is not advisable due to the high potential for damage.

    Twill be a shame should another vehicle I like come out during the interim. Then again, I suspect Mazda is waiting to for the next generation chipset, and, for that matter, to be sure that it is likely that Sirius will survive. At least Chrysler has Sirius as a dealer installed option!

    Any word out there from the knowing ones?
  • brydymondbrydymond Member Posts: 41
    Firstly, I am in Canada so I am yet to see a real live Mazda 6, however, from what I have read here it sounds great. I need to get rid of my Jetta ASAP. I either have to get something quick (I am looking at an A4 1.8TQ) or suck it up and wait till Feb when they arrive in Canada.

    I am kind of anal and have heard that the interior is great and that it is not so great. How does it compare to a Jetta or new Acccord ?

    What is interior storage like (cell, palm, coffee)?

    What are the lease residuals like in the U.S.? Are they reflective of the 626 or an Accord?

    I am going to take a drive by Mazda Canada's HQ today to see if there are any on the lot...

    Help
  • marchharemarchhare Member Posts: 44
    Ameen, yeah, the allow this on the 6. I got the $500 off of mine since I'm a grad student. It comes off the end after you negotiate your price and everything, so I'd hold that card back until the end. But it does work on this 6.

    --==--hare
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    It looks "busier" with more lights and more intricate details. Also the leather comes with dual zome climate. But the Mazda interior looks like it was built for the driving. More sedate almost like a Bimmer. It's a matter of taste I guess.
    My only problem with the Accord is I have yet to see an EX-L stick in the sedan or coupe. It's been a few months and they can't keep one on the lot long enough for me to get to see it.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    The 6 has the larger interior. The interior materials are very nice for its price range, however, you can equip the A4 nicely too (although I found the 6 to be more comfortable to sit in).

    The A4 rear seat is still small, but bigger than the previous A4's, which was excruciatingly small.

    Plenty of storage: map pockets in all doors, front ones have a bulge for water bottles (not sure of the rears...forgot), map pockets in rear of front seats, 2 cup holders in center console in front, 2 cup holders in the flip-down armrest in back, large glove box, I think I remember a sunglass case up by the rearview mirror (but having come from the SF auto show, I may be mixing up vehicles now), storage shelf above the center stack, small cubby spaces below left of the steering wheel, lots of storage in the center console/armrest.

    I haven't driven a current A4, so can't comment on it, but I test drove a 6i AT and it was a total blast (even with the AT) in the curves and quite smooth just cruising (but not isolated like the Camry or Accord), even over bad RR crossings. Some comparative reviews have the 6's handling rated as better than the A4's. I'd wait. You can save lots of money if you like the 6 over the A4.
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    yes, the 6 qualifies for the college grad program...you get a $500 rebate.

    Also, the rebate comes from Mazda so the dealer should be happy to offer it to you. No cost to the dealer.

    Rich
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    The interior is impeccable. Texture, look, quality it's all there. The quattro system muted the kick of the engine though. Too much weight and drag from the quattro system. I didn't like it that much from a driver standpoint. I'd definitely buy a A4/white/ sport package to look at though. They look great.
  • maltbmaltb Member Posts: 3,572
    Do you expect to see many buyers cross shopping the A4 and the Mazda6. What is you opinion on that?
  • skyrayskyray Member Posts: 156
    But don't mention the $500 college plan to the dealer until after you've negotiated the price. Even though they get the money back from Mazda, if they know you're qualified for it going in some dealers will try to stay higher on the pre-discount price. (Learned that the hard way a decade ago.)

    I'm sold on this car for now, but I'm still waiting on a few things before I buy:
    1) The five-door
    2) An in-dash MP3 player (which someone on another board mentioned seeing listed on a Mazda6 accessories sheet at his dealer?), since Mazda's custom dash design won't let me put my Kenwood MP3-CD in there.
    3) More configurability, so I can get the options I want without losing headroom to a sunroof. (I'll be coming from a Miata, so a sunroof would just be a depressing reminder. :)

    Hopefully Mazda won't sit around till next winter getting this stuff out... Or I may end up going with something different.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    If you're looking for a great interior, I don't think the 6 can match the Audi A4 (Sorry to say guys!)in terms of interior design.

    However, I definitely think the 6 has much better exterior styling. The A4 is kinda plain Jane (classic as my gf puts it...that's why she likes it...shrug), whereas the 6 is agressive looking (IMO).

    Brydymond, have you checked out www.mazda.ca? They only have info for the 4-cylinder engine...no 6. :(
  • choppermakerchoppermaker Member Posts: 31
    The A4 and Mazda6 are sure to be cross-shopped. I currently own a 2001 Audi A4, and I'm going to replace it with a Mazda6 in the very near future. :) The Audi is a blast to drive, but the reliability and long-term build quality has been terrible. I may have gotten a particularly poorly built example, but I'll never get an Audi again unless I hear of some significant reliability improvements.

    I've also test driven both the 6i automatic and the 6s manual. Both models feel more planted to the road than my A4, with less body roll. (My A4 does not have the sport package.) The Mazda is noticeably quieter than the A4 at high speeds, too. The 6 cylinder engine is slightly quicker and less noisy on the highway than my 1.8T. The Mazda's clutch is much shorter than the A4, although both are quite smooth. The A4's shifter is much smoother than the stick in the 6s that I tested, though. There is MUCH more back seat room in the Mazda.

    I'll miss having AWD, variable seat heater settings, and HID headlights, but in the end, I think the Mazda6 is a much better deal than the Audi. Of course, I haven't driven the new A4's, so some of my comments might not apply.
  • marchharemarchhare Member Posts: 44
    Also, even though the discount comes from Mazda, it's not like a rebate where you have to wait to get the cash back. They should give it to you on the spot (if you've got proof of your graduation--eg diploma/transcript) and the dealer will get the money back later, so you don't have to worry about it after you close the deal.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/tl/03mazda6.htm


    Nice shot of the interior as well.

  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    . I either have to get something quick (I am looking at an A4 1.8TQ) or suck it up and wait till Feb when they arrive in Canada.

    The 1.8T A4 Quattro is anything but quick. It's sluggish to the extreme. 180HP is not nearly enough to power a portly AWD car.
  • maltbmaltb Member Posts: 3,572
    I took that to mean that he needs something soon, not fast.
  • choppermakerchoppermaker Member Posts: 31
    ...but actually, the 1.8T Quattro is a relatively quick car, with the power increase in the past few years. The gearing is pretty tight, and the low-end torque is quite good. It's not a full out sports car, but with a manual transmission you can do 0-60 around 7.5s, I believe.
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    Right now we are seeing cross shopping all over the board. So far the alot of people shopping the 6 at our store have been also shopping the A4, Acura TL, etc...Most come in thinking the car is priced more like the Millenia than the 626...they are shocked how inexpensive it is and how well it rides and drives!!
    Mazda has not made it very clear, YET where the 6 is positioned compred to other makes and models. This confirms my opinion that the the majority of buyers are not as "dialed in" as edmunds posters and readers...We all know it's supposed to compare to the Altima an Accord but so far our shoppers havent figured this out yet.

    The great news is the car, though thousands less, is standing tall agaisnt these cars. So far we are winning the battles. This car is generally exceeding everyone exectations at out store.
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